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The Ubyssey Nov 3, 1977

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services shy $180,000
Campus food services are short
$180,000 in revenues because of
poor convention business this
summer, a UBC board of governors report shows.
But food services head Christine
Samson said Wednesday the
shortfall was not the reason for
food price increases this year.
"To date it hasn't affected the
winter prices at, all. The prices
didn't go up because of the shortfall," she said.
Student  board  of governors
member Basil Peters said Wednesday that students will be paying
higher prices because of the poor
summer business and suggested
the Alma Mater Society take
control of food services.
"You are going to be paying
more for the dirt-burgers in SUB,"
he said.
"If students wanted to, we could
probably take over food services.
They don't want it."
Samson refused to say if food
prices will go up again this year to
cover the summer loss in revenue.
"I will have to look at the
situation and go to my superiors
before any decision is made," she
The report, tabled, at Tuesday's
board meeting, shows that food
services budgeted for a summer
revenue of $242,000 and actually
made only $62,000. In the same
period from April 1 to Sept. 30 last
year, food services made $220,000.
Residence food services had an
actual loss of $38,285 for the April 1
to Sept. 30 period for 1977. Samson
STARING SMUGLY down at nosy photographer is sculpted figure in Alma Mater Society SUB gallery.
Sculpture, entitled Mon Oncle Regis, is work of artist Joe Fafard and is part of AMS Brock Hall collection on
display until Nov. 10 in gallery off SUB main concourse.
blamed poor summer business for
the deficit.
Summer business was down in
one residence, she said, due to
lower enrolment in summer
student courses.
The board report also shows that
housing services revenue for the.
period is down about $48,000 from
last year.
Housing director Mike Davis
said Wednesday that convention
business was down about 10 per
cent compared to the previous
"I think we were down in the
neighborhood of 8,000 bed nights
this summer, out of a total of about
76,000 to 78,000 bed nights," he
Davis said the convention
business will still be able to contribute revenue to offset winter
student residence fees as budgeted
for the year.
"Two hundred and four thousand
dollars is what conference business
is supposed to contribute to winter
residence and that's what it will,"
he said.
Housing was able to cut expenses
enough to offset the reduction in
convention business, Davis said.
But Peters said a comprehensive
analysis of the financial situation
of housing was difficult because
the budget presented to the board
was confusing.
"I think Michael Davis went to a
school for his MBA (master of
business administration) which
teaches creative accounting," he
Davis said housing only plans to
offer an extra 24 rooms for
students to stay in Gage towers this
summer, despite the financial
success of a pilot project offering
104 rooms. About 150 students had
applied for summer residence in
Gage towers.
See page 3: FOOD
Sihota gets
BoG censure
The UBC board of governors has
publicly censured student board
member Moe Sihota for charging
certain members of the commerce
faculty with racism.
Board chairman George Morfitt
issued a statement Tuesday
saying, "in view of the fact that
Mr. Sihota has not produced, as
requested, evidence to support his
allegations, the board has passed a
resolution disassociating itself
from statements made by Mr.
Sihota and regreting that such
statements were made publicly by
a member of the board in the absence of supporting evidence."
Sihota made the charges of
racism against East Indian
students, at a student representative assembly meeting Oct. 19.
Sihota said then that a group of
East Indian commerce students
had approached him during the
summer and told him they were
being discriminated against and
were being failed as a result of it.
Sihota said at that time that he
suspected a commerce student or
faculty member of stealing his
board documents from an Alma
Mater Society office because they
containedevidenceof racism in the
commerce faculty.
Sihota said Wednesday he has
given the name of a suspect to the
university endowment lands
RCMP and expects they will lay
charges Friday.
But Sgt. Al Hutchinson said they
have no leads and no suspects at
the present time.
The board's statement also says,
AMS hack Sandhu gets 'no respect/ quits
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The Alma Mater Society external affairs
officer resigned Wednesday after charging
members of the student representative
assembly with disrespect toward their
executive officers.
"After hearing some of the proceedings
during this meeting concerning the B.C.
Students' Federation and the lack of respect
for the AMS executive I tender my
resignation," Paul Sandhu said.
Sandhu's resignation came after the SRA
rejected his request that $60 be spent to buy
1,500 copies of the B.C. Student, a newsletter
put out by the federation.
Sandhu had already agreed with the BCSF
to buy the newsletter which was circulated
Wednesday before the SRA meeting. Sandhu
interpreted the SRA's move to overturn his
decision as a vote of non-confidence.
After Sandhu left the meeting, the SRA
voted unanimously not to accept his
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Student board of governors member Moe
Sihota, a close friend of Sandhu, said the
resignation would be detrimental to the AMS.
"A more constructive solution would be to
have a special council meeting to discuss the
BCSF and the National Union of Students," he
Sandhu has expressed concern about the
lack of commitment of other SRA members
toward the BCSF and NUS.
"The assembly's decision not to buy the
B.C. Student was not a vote of non-confidence
in Paul, but was made more on the principle
of not spending money before it was approved
by the SRA," Sihota said.
In other business the SRA decided not to
decide on several things. Discussion of the
AMS budget was tabled to the next SRA
meeting because none of the members of the
AMS budget committee, including finance
director Shannon-Dale Hart, were present at
the meeting.
The proposed budget is for the fiscal year
Apr a 1,1977 to March 31,1978. Seven months
of the year covered by the budget have
already passed and much of the money has
already been spent, but the budget has yet to
be passed by the SRA.
The SRA also passed a motion asking arts
dean Robert Will to state publicly his position
on student representation.
This motion follows an incident at an arts
faculty meeting Oct. 21 when Will ejected
from the meeting a Ubyssey reporter, five
would-be representatives, arts student
senator Sandhu and arts undergraduate
society president Fran Watters.
The original motion suggested Will speak in
the SUB conversation pit with a public address system, but that recommendation was
' 'I don't think he would come to speak in the
pit, so I think we should have the meeting in
his office with a P.A. system," said student
board of governors member Basil Peters.
"there will be no further consideration of this matter by the
board until factual supporting
evidence is filed with the administration and the board of
Sihota said Wednesday the board
sent him a letter Friday asking
him to provide information substantiating his charges.
He said he did not have enough
time to gather the information.
"In two days I don't see how I
could have gotten together
documentation which took me two
years to collect."
A task force was going to be set
up by the administration to investigate the charges, said Sihota.
"But I don't think there will be
any investigation until I can
provide documentation," he said.
"Given the fact that my files
were removed from my office I
don't see how I can produce
evidence. It increases the
necessity to get them back.
"It's a childish attempt by the
board to embarrass me in that I've
embarrassed the board on
numerous occasions and so this is a
vehicle to get back at me.
"Most of the board had already
made up their minds before the
meeting to censure me and
anything I could have said would
not have changed their minds."
Sihota said he will continue to
look for the files and will
"resurrect" as much of the information as possible.
AMS external affairs officer
Paul Sandhu said Oct. 19 that
Sihota had evidence the commerce
faculty had been using failure
rates in a discriminatory way.
Instead of passing all students
who achieve a certain grade such
as 50 per cent, some faculty
members are grading students by
a quota system, failing a certain
percentage, Sandhu claimed.
He said there was some information in Sihota's files which
indicated that one particular group
is being discriminated against with
this method of grading.
Sihota said Oct. 26 that the administration was failing to act on
the racism charges although he
had informed them about the case
in August.
Commerce dean Peter Lusztig
has reacted angrily to the racism
charges. On Oct. 20 Lusztig said
Sihota's charges were unsubstantiated and damaging to the
university's reputation. "It tars
the university and the faculty. Up
to now all Sihota has done has been
to damage the university community," Lusztig said. Page 2
Thursday, November 3, 1977
Keith Ralston speaks on Racism In
Early B.C. Unions, noon, SUB 212.
People Interested In cheerleading
should show up anytime from noon
to 2 p.m., War Memorial gym or call
Maureen (732] 8281) or Becky
General meeting and election of
delegates, noon, SUB 212A.
Homosexuality and the church,
noon, Hebb theatre.
Bible study, noon, SUB 205.
Paul Isaak speaks on the political
situation In Nambla, noon, SUB
Dan Gardener on part 2 of Releasing the Holy Spirit, 7:30 p.m.,
Lutheran Campus Centre lounge.
Outdoor equipment sale, noon, SUB
Meeting,  noon, Bio Sciences 2361.
Weekly meeting, noon, Buto 910.
Homosexual!f y
and the Church
Dr. Donald Williams, member
of the United Presbyterian
Church's task force on homosexuality and the church will give
a lecture on the subject at noon
today in Hebb Theatre.
For further information, call
Wayman Crosby in SUB 235.
Sponsored by the Inter-Varsity
Christian FellowshipClub.
Big or Small Jobs
We're going
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will be closed
Sunday, Nov. 6
Monday, Nov. 7
General meeting, noon, SUB 115.
Speech on Canadian Armed Forces
and Dentistry, noon, IRC 1.
Introductory lecture on Eckankar as
a way of life, noon, SUB 213.
Mike McGlnnls speaks on Eckankar
as   the  path  to  God realization,  7
p.m., SUB 213.
Lecture, noon, MacMI 158.
Lecture, on China's Influence on
Chinese Canadians and
Stereotyping, noon, SUB auditorium.
Demonstration of Chinese painting,
2:30 to 3:30 p.m., SUB 126.
Lecture     on     Meaningful    Chinese
Dates,  6:30 to 7:30 p.m., Bu. 106.
La soiree vln et fromage, 7 p.m.,
International House.
Taped debate of libertarians versus
socialists, noon, SUB 213.
Guest speaker on Cognitive maps In
Rats and Humans, noon, Angus
General meeting, noon, SUB 212.
Wine and cheese social, 4 p.m. to 6
p.m., RUS lounge In Armo basement.
Sara David on Against Rape: A
Marxist View, 8 p.m., 1208 Granville.
Disco dance, 8:30 p.m. to 1 a.m.,
Plaza International Hotel, 1999
Meeting of managers and team reps,
noon,   Big  Block  room, War Memorial gym.
Informal discussion on the Baha'l
faith, noon, SUB 113.
Chinese, din-sum presentation and
sales, 12 noon, SUB ballroom.
General meeting, noon, SUB 212A.
Weekly student fellowship, noon,
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Page 3
Board to investigate bursaries
The UBC board of governors
decided at a Tuesday meeting to
investigate why female students
are receiving smaller scholarships
and bursary awards than male
"The average payment is less in
every case per female student and
there is a noticeable difference in
graduate fellowship and bursary
awards," faculty board representative Gideon Rosenbluth said
Erich Vogt, faculty and student
affairs vice-president, told board
members he would get more information on the situation for a
further investigation.
Student board member Basil
Peters said Wednesday the board
will wait for more information
before proceeding.
"We all agreed to look at the
information before drawing any
conclusions. The whole board is
concerned about this," he said.
A report presented to the board
by Vogt showed that for the 1976-77
academic year, 663 male undergraduates got a total of $221,932 in
scholarships while 334 female
undergraduates got $99,855.
Bursaries totalling $131,872 went
to 371 male undergraduates while
$126,060 went to 424 females.
Graduate student fellowships
totalling $721,805 went to males,
while 92 females received $263,935.
Bursaries worth a total of $27,365
went to 34 male graduates while
$6,450 went to 17 females.
In the board report Vogt says
part of the discrepancy results
from the fact that professional
faculties at UBC have a high
percentage of male students and
receive more scholarships than
other faculties which have proportionately higher female enrolment.
Talks scheduled
in Bimini strike
Management and staff at
Bimini's neighborhood pub have
agreed to begin negotiations to end
its two-week-old strike, assistant
manager Doug Berry said Wednesday.
Berry said the management and
the Service Office and Retail
Workers Union of Canada (SORWUC) have laid down ground rules
for when and where negotiations
will take place.
The union will continue picketing
during the negotiations, he said,
and Bimini's will stay open.
He said the management will
draw upits own contract to present
to the union, in addition to
discussing the contract proposals
Union wins
longer break
for workers
REGINA (CUP) — As of this
month, Bank of Nova Scotia employees all across Canada will be
getting three weeks holidays after
one year of employment.
This increase in holidays may
seem insignificant to many
workers who are given three-week
holiday periods in their provincial
labor, codes.
But for bank workers this is a
major improvement. Because they
fall under the federal labor code,
bank employees are legally entitled to only two weeks holidays
after one year.
According to representatives of
the Service, Office and Retail
Workers Union of Canada (SORWUC), this holiday increase is
clearly a result of organizing efforts. It comes within a month of
SORWUC s application for certification of the Bank of Nova
Scotia main branch employees in
According to the representatives, the increase illustrates
management's attempt to buy off
the union drive. They say it is not a
new tactic for an employer to give
workers long-awaited increases or
to resolve a few longstanding
grievances when the workers begin
to talk about unionization.
Without a binding contract, there
is no assurance that such an increase will not be withdrawn.
SORWUC stresses that the
benefits of the union do not lie in an
isolated increase here and there
but in the recognized right of
employees to negotiate all aspects
of working conditions, including
the right to file grievances over
issues that affect workers individually. ...
SORWUC has already presented.
"The two (contracts) will be
sitting there; it's just a matter of
getting one signed."
He said that before the strike
began the union was asking for a
top wage of $5 an hour for
The management was close to
meeting this offer when the strike
vote was taken, Berry said, but as
soon as the strike began the union
changed its demands to $5.60 an
hour with a raise to $6.10 an hour
after four months.
Waitresses now make $3.25 an
hour after the first two weeks with
quarterly raises of 25 cents an
Berry said the management
cannot meet these demands. He
said the union should be more
flexible in order to better represent
Bimini's striking employees.
But union spokeswomen have
said the management ignores
certain issues. These issues include lack of employee participation in work scheduling,
failure of management to
recognize employees' seniority and
lack of benefits such as sick leave
and a medical-dental plan.
And during the early days of the
strike, SORWUC members told
The Ubyssey they wanted $4.50 an
hour wages compared to the
management's offer of $3.75 an
The union was certified last
January and has been negotiating
for a contract since that time. But
negotiations started to break down
during the summer when Uram
became unavailable. He has cited
other interests as his reason for not
being able to negotiate.
"Nobody's making any money,"
Berry said.
He claimed only five of the 18
employees at the pub are picketing
and even they want the strike to
"The (striking) waitresses have
been trying to get the union to roll
back their demands," he said.
He claimed the staff could all go
back to work and the strike could
still go on for as long as three
months with union executives
manning the pickets.
If the strike continues for
another two or three weeks,
Bimini's will go out of business,
Berry said. He said the pub is
currently bringing in 10 to 15 per
cent of its usual revenue.
Berry said owner Peter Uram is
not asking for or receiving any
support from the pub owners'
But, he added, the association
has offered to send customers over
and help out with supplies.
Berry said Bimini's is well-
stocked with supplies and hasn't
accepted any other support.
"For example," says the report,
"in engineering programs in the
faculty of applied science, 127
scholarships were available in
1976-77 for distribution among a
total enrolment of 1,058, only 45 of
whom were women.
"In the faculty of arts, by contrast, only 88 scholarships were
available to a total registration of
4,681 students, 2,644 of whom were
The report says UBC is attempting to increase the number of
scholarships awarded in nonprofessional faculties using funds
donated to the university that do
not specify an award to a particular faculty.
In    other    board    business,
members decided to set up a
committee to look into the
possibility of charging higher fees
for postgraduate training
A UBC senate report to the board
shows significant fees are being
paid by students in residency
programs in Alberta and Quebec
and that UBC should consider,
"that the imposition of reasonable
university fees is appropriate."
The report states that fees for
residency programs are currently
$20 and that higher fees would
emphasize to resident students
"the role of the university in their
continuing education."
Board member Sihota said
Wednesday the students in  the
program were mostly full-time
doctors coming back to UBC for
refresher courses and the board
believes they can afford to pay
higher fees.
The report states that senate
favors a system similar to those in
operation in Alberta and Quebec,
where the student pays significant
fees which are later refunded by
the government.
The senate committee that prepared the report considered the
possibility of increased cooperation between the faculty of
medicine and other faculties in
various postgraduate residency
programs, but found the physical
separation of teaching hospitals
from UBC makes co-operation
generally impractical.
—matt king photo
PUZZLED STUDENT reads Russian translation of Dead Sea scrolls for 1:30 p.m. class — Pedantry 205.
Next assignment is to translate Milton's Paradise Lost into Swahili and write 5,000 word essay on Sin and
Redemption in Alice in Wonderland.
Food services needs dough
From page 1
Student board members Peters and Moe Sihota
both said Wednesday housing should open up many
more rooms for summer student residence to offset
the sagging convention business.
"The administration should reorder its priorities.
There's no excuse for not having students in there,"
Peters said.
"The advantage of having students is that they're
here for the whole summer while conventioneers are
Peters said the married students living in Gage
lowrise are forced, out of residence every summer
when they should be allowed to stay for the entire
Sihota said housing could easily find student occupants for one tower of Gage (400 people) if it did a
better job of advertising than it did last year.
"It's obvious students are interested in staying in
Gage in the summer, particularly married students,"
he said. "If the administration did extensive advertising they could easily fill one tower."
But Davis said housing is proceeding cautiously
because he does not believe many students would
apply for summer residence or stay the full four
"I'm just not confident that we could get 200
students in residence this summer," he said.
Davis said the summer program for students "did
not work out that well" because some students were
unhappy about fewer residence services in the
summer, although they were told about this in advance.
Housing is unable to make many changes in the
convention business because of the advance booking
obligations, he said.
"The conference business is pretty well locked in
four years in advance," he said. "I don't have a lot of
"I'm trying to make changes for the 1981 season."
Iheconvention business has become less profitable
at UB C because of high labor costs, Davis said.
"Our costs are out of line at UBC compared to other
universities in Canada. Our labor costs are higher,"
he said.
But Peters said the convention business is suffering
all across Canada and UBC should cut back conventions in favor of more summer student residents.
"Conventions have gone out of style, especially in
Canada," Peters said.
' 'Now the writing is on the wall, it (summer student
residence) is a great idea.
"I think what the housing administration should do
is advertise now and try to get a really accurate
prediction of how many students they could get for
the summer. The married quarters should be turned
over for summer student use right away."
In other board business, the administration
revealed UBC had windfall profits again this year at
the bookstore, with the report showing a $64,986
surplus, despite the fact that the bookstore is
budgeted to break even.
Bookstore profits are channelled into a special
building fund which the administration will use to
construct a new bookstore in the future.
mm Page 4
Thursday, November 3#
Freedom: mange de la merde
"OTTAWA (AP) - Hundreds of political dissidents
have been arrested here in
the second major wave of
arrests since a state of emergency was imposed two years
"At least 300 leading
members of the Progressive
Conservative and New
Democratic parties were
swept up in the largest
crackdown on dissent since
the wave of arrests which
followed Prime Minister
Pierre Trudeau's imposition
of martial law in early 1980.
"As part of emergency
regulations, all newspapers
and news dispatches from
Canada have been heavily
censored. As in the
declaration imposing martial
law, these arrests are
expected to be announced as
in the interests of 'national
''Those arrested
apparently include former PC
leader Joe Clark and former
prime min ister John
Diefenbaker. Reports on who
else was arrested are still
Sound far fetched?
It won't if the Trudeau
government continues to
confuse 'national' security
with the security of the
Liberal party.
During the past week's
revelations of the RCMP's
dirty work, government
ministers protested their
innocence. But the ministers
haven't condemned the
RCMP actions and it is being
forgotten that the Liberal
government's attitude to
national security has not
discouraged the mounties.
Early in his reign, Pierre
the Lucky beefed up security
forces, who were then ready
when he invoked the War
Measures Act during the
October crisis of 1970. The
hundreds of arrests and
suspension of civil liberties
did nothing to end the two
political kidnappings and
created an atmosphere of
mistrust in Quebec against
the federal government
which has helped Trudeau's
arch-rival, Rene Levesque.
Trudeau    considered    the
October crisis a licence to
give the gumshoes more
power. A top-level
committee was set up to
direct national security
As we've found out
recently, the RCMP was busy
raiding a leftist newspaper,
and the offices of the Parti
Quebecois (which is not
exactly a fringe party),
stealing explosives and
burning barns.
Trudeau said he could
understand the RCMP's logic
behind the PQ raid and
suggested the cops need more
power. Unless he is sternly
rebuked, if not tossed out of
office, we might as well write
the obituary for democracy
in Canada.
We can only hope that
this week's uproar in the
house of commons over the
above activities and fresh
allegations of illegal wiretaps
leads to the demise of the
Trudeau government.
In nearly ten years, Pierre
the   Arrogant   has   led   this
country into an economic
abyss, giving more power to
large corporations. When the
clamor grew for some action,
Trudeau imposed wage
controls, a policy he had
condemned during a federal
election the previous year,
and a policy which has done
nothing to improve Canada's
Fortunately for the
Liberals, the dreaded Parti
Quebecois was elected,
creating an issue which made
the government popular
again, in spite of the fact that
it is in a large part
responsible for the crisis of
We are fortunate Trudeau
spends so much time
worrying about the PQ
government and Quebec. Can
you imagine what it would
be like if he cared about the
But not even their
peculiar popularity has
calmed the Trudeau Liberals.
What we are seeing now is a
thoroughly Nixonian set of
measures designed to
preserve   'national'   security.
Whjle other parties offer
little better in the way of
economic and social policies,
they lack, we hope, the
overbearing contempt for the
public which the current
government possesses in huge
At best, the current
revelations of RCMP
wrongdoing show gross
stupidity on the part of those
who direct the RCMP.
Trudeau, through his
handling of the situation,
shows that it is not stupidity.
It is gross disrespect for the
principle of democracy.
Totem is not out to get Vanier and Gage residents
It is regrettable that Place
Vanier and Gage Residences have
the misfortune of being led by
presidents who are obviously
illiterate. The decision to no longer
accept Vanier and Gage residence
cards was not a move to offend the
councils of Place Vanier and Gage;
nor was it a move against their
As was stated clearly in my
letter to the two presidents: the
RCMP felt that a large part of the
trouble Totem Park has been
known to experience at a few of its
functions is caused by students not
NOVEMBER 3, 1977
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the
university year by the Alma Mater Society of the University of
B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and not of the AMS
or the university administration. Member, Canadian University
Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page Friday, a weekly commentary
and review. The Ubyssey's editorial office is in room 241K of the
Student Union Building. Editorial departments, 228-2301;
Advertising, 228-3977.
Editor: Chris Gainor
It was official secrets day at The Ubyssey and all the staffers sneaked
around being secretive. Marcus Burroughs Gee and Geoffrey Charles St.
George Wheelwright tried unsuccessfully to prevent their dignified, and
thus highly unsuitable, middle names from becoming public knowledge.
Henry William Tieleman regretted letting his entire name be known, but
soon forgot his discomfiture as he tried to set a desk on fire. Christopher
John Gainor beamed fondly on this effort, defending the wily BoG In
Investogator's right to break laws. Kathryn Linda Ford sighed grumpily as
she dropped the list of all students at the Institution, thereby revealing the
BoG's hate list. Michael Arthur Bocking and Janet "Snooker" Nicol tried
to keep It a secret but didn't fool anyone. Verne McDonald ate strange
substances to see whether they would make good truth drugs, but Llyanne
Hurd and Heather Conn refused to be one of the testeeswhen they saw
what It did to him. Matthew Leonard King closeted himself In the dark
with secret microfilm. Stephen John Howard yearned to uncover the
secrets of a billiard ball.
from Totem Park. Consequently,
they have agreed to reinstate our
privilege if we admit only Totem
Park residence association
members and one guest to these
functions. We unfortunately had to
agree.. . The TPRA had no choice
but to institute this policy and
regrets any inconvenience it will
cause to you.
No mention is made of any
"animal-like behavior" of Gage or
"Vanier residents in the letter; in
fact, many of our problems with
the liquor functions resulted from
the actions of people from off-
campus, who come to Totem Park
because of the attraction its functions hold.
Despite the reputation that
Totem Park seems to be getting in
the last few months, we are not out
to "get" Vanier or Gage, or to
destroy their social functions or
residence life. During the Gage
elections, we provided free of
charge the use of our public address equipment for any day it was
not reserved for Totem
Moreover, Gage council
members have been seeking advice from the TPRA council about
starting their own beer nights; this
advice has been freely given.
As for Place Vanier, we have
allowed advertising for Vanier
functions in Totem Park, and have
in fact promoted Vanier functions
on our own initiative by public
announcements. It is regrettable
that Vanier has not reciprocated,
and harbors illwill towards us.
The remarks about security at
our functions, particularly
Bavarian Blitz, seem to be based
on misinformation. There is no
reason to slight the security
arrangements; in doing so, the
reputation of the high quality of the
security provided by the
Engineering Undergraduate
Society suffers.
In fact, security arrangements
at our functions are, on the whole,
quite good. In reference to
Bavarian Blitz, the bar was shut
down on our own initiative when it
was felt that the situation was
getting out of hand.
It is regrettable that there has
not been better communication
between our councils prior to the
publication of the letter by Stephen
Schober and Sharon Taylor in the
last  edition  of  The  Ubyssey.
However, we wish to take this
opportunity to thank both Place
Vanier and Gage for deciding to
continue to accept our residence
cards, and once again to express
our regret that we cannot do the
Cameron MacKay
Totem Park residence association
It never fails to amaze me at the
frequency your newspaper can
thoroughly infuriate me.
The description of the picture
showing the chariot teams in
Friday's paper disgusted me. The
individuals who go out for the
chariot race face the barrage of
offensive material to provide half-
time entertainment and attract
crowds so funds can be generated
for Muscular Dystrophy.
To call these people "human
trash" for performing this noble
task is an unnecessary and undeserved insult.
Andrew W. F. Metten
civil engineering 4 Thursday, November 3, 1977
Page 5
Anti-discrimination   laws   empty   victory   at   best
Lome Rogers (Oct. 28) missed
the point of my article. His letter is
one of contradictions and misunderstandings.
In the first place, it is the state
and its henchmen which interfere
with people's "right of choice in
sexual relations," not some
mythical, indeterminate "social
system." And that constitutes
oppression — by any standards.
Lome should also recognize that
there is the greatest difference
between the phrases "ought not to
discriminate" and "ought not have
the freedom to discriminate." The
former is an appeal to change one's
attitudes; the latter is a blueprint
for 1984.
Where does Lome get the idea
that he or anyone else should
determine the "role of newspapers
and companies in society?"
I agree that gay people are
discriminated against (as Lome
defines it) in the job market and in
social position. But the question is,
what is the best way to get the
War money
The recent demonstration over
the Bank of Montreal's loans to
South Africa is a good step in the
right direction. Why should the
millionaires who control Canada's
big banks (and our money) use our
savings to finance the oppressive
South African government that
even the Canadian government
does not support?
For too long the public has
allowed the multinational banks to
finance foreign wars, revolutions
and dictatorships with our money
and without our approval, without
even a second glance by our
Why do we let banks such as the
Bank of Montreal support countries like South Africa who suppress the freedom and liberty of
their citizens?
Canadians, and all free people,
should control their banks and
allow bans only to countries whose
citizens enjoy basic democratic
Let the dictators float their loans
in their own countries, if it's
Mark Stevens
"discriminators" to change their
attitude? Using the coercion of
anti-discrimination laws is at
worst immoral and at best foolish.
Firstly, you don't make a person
more moral by forcibly removing
any opportunities for him to act
Secondly, the use of coercion will
only make anti-gay people more
bitter toward gays and increase
the amount of public opposition to
them. Moreover, they will tend to
band together and make determined efforts to circumvent the
regulations. We have already seen
Thirdly, anti-discrimination
laws are virtually impossible to
enforce. Landlords and employers
can use other criteria to exclude
These laws are at best an empty
victory. Attempts at legislating
morality have always failed and I
can't see how Kathleen Ruff or
anyone else is going to do any
Politically, gays should act in
self-defence. They should sue cops
and government for harassment,
false   arrest,   and   violation   of
The UBC women's field hockey
team is really disappointed with
the lack of coverage in The
Ubyssey about their recent win of
the western Canadian championships.
It seems rather unusual that we
should get good coverage in the
local and provincial papers, but not
even get a mention in the school
paper. Tuesday's issue has stories
on the men's football team (as
usual), the men's hockey team and
Ihe men's rugby team.
None of these teams won the
Canada west title. Up until now our
field hockey team has been the
most successful team and we feel
we deserve a little credit.
Ihe women's field hockey team
left Wednesday for Montreal to
participate in the Canadian
university finals. The western
team usually does very well in this
Susan Carroll
property rights, and demand to be
left alone.
But they should not try to force
people to accept the "correct"
moral position. The fact that
they've experienced that same
kind of coercion in the past is no
reason to lower themselves to the
level of (heir opponents by using
the same methods.
By the way, I too think that institutionalized "discrimination" is
obscene (what is the biggest institution in our society?) I'm not
for "blatant discrimination" nor
are any Libertarians.
The  1976  Libertarian  Party
CSA   betrayed   members
I am a Chinese student and I feel that the Chinese students association
has betrayed its members. This was done by associating the politically
unconscious Chinese with the neo-Nazi Taiwan government.
The showing of the politically biased movie, the 800 heroes, as a
feature of the CSA proves the CSA relates to, and is maybe directed by the
notorious Kuomintang.
It is a fact that the CSA does not openly cry out that they are a puppet of
the Kuomintang nor tell their members that joining the CSA is joining the
Kuomintang. This further illustrates the base, sly and totally selfish acts
the makers of this movie would do to gain fame for their government.
It may be a shock to most of you that the size of the audience at this
movie could be used as a propaganda weapon. The Kuomintang would tell
thepeople of Taiwan (Formosa) that there are huge numbers of Kuomintang supporters watching the movie instead of large numbers of curious
university students watching it.
Tlie CSA should stop showing politically biased movies (Communist or
neo-Nazi Kuomintang) or else it should change its name and stop representing the Chinese students of UBC.
I am sure most of the Chinese students here do not want to be known as
the foreign leagues of the Kuomintang brownshirts.
William Lovesong
science 1
Gay  crashers  help  out
At the gay people's dance on
Friday night at the graduate
student centre garden room, five
straight students unsuccessfully
attempted to disrupt the evening's
Some momentary diversion was
created by two stink bombs which
they dropped prior to their hasty
departure. They were hotly pursued by several of the people
present back to Place Vanier
Their juvenile and immature
behavior disrupted other events
occurring in the grad centre and
caused many to evacuate the
dentistry faculty dance in the
ballroom. After the initial excitement, dancing resumed and an
enjoyable evening was had by all.
In paying the cover charge for
the dance, the anti-gay students
will be glad to know that they gave
their financial support to the cause
of gay rights, which the profits
from the dance were given to. Any
further contributions will be most
appreciated and may be forwarded
to box nine, in SUB, or brought in
person to SUB 237A.
Gay people of UBC
candidate for vice-president of the
U.S. was an openly-admitted gay
white male. His brilliance and
talents made him an excellent
choice for the running. Clearly, his
candidacy was politically disadvantageous to the party, but it
showed that members would not
sacrifice principle for a better
political image.
Moreover, the Gay Libertarian
Alliance, a four-year-old
organization based in the U.S., is
actively campaigning against antidiscrimination laws.
Why? Because they, like all
Libertarians, recognize that the
state only creates problems and
does not solve them. The GLA is
trying to change people's attitudes
to be sure, but like the rest of us, its
members abhor the use of state
power to achieve this end.
Maybe there is one group of
persons which I "blatantly
discriminate" against. I have a
great deal of animosity for those
who claim to have a monopoly on
the truth and wish to force other
people to accept their views. This
is why I oppose both sides in the
gay rights issue.
Cam Osborne
arts 4
Osborne    supports    misconceptions
Re Cam Osborne's article: Gay
rights impaired by political
fighting   (Oct. 25).
This article inadvertently
supports important misconceptions that I feel must be
pointed out.
First, on the concept of freedom
of the press. The author says that
gays have no right to publish an ad
in an "hetero" newspaper as the
Gay Tide wouldn't accept an
"hetero" ad. He forgets that a
newspaper like the Sun informs the
whole public of B.C. and not a
particular group.
Someone expects to find
religious and porno ads in a large
circulation paper but nobody expects to find a religious ad in a sex
paper or vice versa. Responsibility
of a newspaper grows with its
importance: a national or large
regional paper should be neither
pro straight nor pro gay. Its
obligation is to respect the rights of
any minority, even in so futile way
as in advertising.
Secondly, contrary to what he
says, being gay is political,
because it supports certain acts
which are opposed to our society.
The aim of gay movements (and
feminist organizations as well)
should be to break the traditional
sexual roles, and restructure the
capitalist society in changing its
An example: find a new concept
of family, more human than what
it is right now, a mere way of
producing children for more
consumption of goods.
Tolerance, as the author seems
to suggest, is not enough. When
society will be hetero-social, instead of homo-social (which it is),
then the word gay and the lifestyle
attached to it win be replaced not
by another label or a fashion, but
by open relationships where the
capacity of conscience, loving and
responsibility will be of vital importance. Sex between any gender
should not be a limitation, but a
way to better communications.
In opposition to popular opinion,
the sexual revolution is not yet
started, and it is unlikely to begin
with us.
Victor Tremblay
Check the facts next time
Congratulations once more on your newspaper's methods of sen-
sationalistic journalism. Do you really need to invent these scandals to
thrill your readers? First of all concerning the article GSA sells out to
AMS (Oct. 28).
As a member of the constituency concerned, I was present at the
graduate representative assembly on the previous Tuesday. The decision
to remain within the Alma Mater Society structure (however academic it
may have been) was not made by Jane Ingman Baker or any other individual but by this group of approximately 20 graduate students.
In fact, Ingman Baker was speaking favor of leaving the AMS and had
written an article on this subject in the last graduate student newsletter.
Secondly, Chemistry TAs miss pay raise (Nov. 1). The article concerned a non-event that somebody with a great imagination turned into a
so-called behind-the-scenes power struggle instead of the clerical error or
hold-up that it no doubt is.
I find all this conjecture damaging to the reputations of both the
graduate students association and the chemistry department. How about
checking the facts next time!
P. T. Wassell
chemistry graduate student
Affirmative action program helps women
Within the last week or so, two
letters have appeared in The
Ubyssey to which I would like to
respond. The first is that written by
Peter Hlookoff of grad studies
headlined Elect me dean of
women; the second, a reply to this,
was captioned with the phrase
Reverse discrimination.
Embedded within the sneers,
implied slurs and nebulous complaints of Peter Hlookoff's letter is
thecharge that since the position of
dean of women will (we presume
and hope) be filled by a woman, a
phenomenon commonly known as
"reverse discrimination" is
happening or could happen on this
campus. I would like to examine
this notion in some detail.
"Reverse discrimination" is an
emotion-laden phrase with little
real meaning or intellectual
content. It is a cry that is raised
when members of a group or class
accustomed to discriminating
against others find themselves in a
position of some temporary
In most cases, this disadvantage
is due to plans developed to effect
long-overdue changes in the
inequities of an existing social
structure, such as the various
"affirmative action" hiring
programs followed by a number of
Canadian universities (but not, to
my knowledge, by UBC).
The  only   plausible   argument
Down with all segregation
Reading Julie Petersen's serious reply to my half-serious application
for the dean of women's job gives me cause to reconsider, adjust and
expand upon certain of my statements.
Her main objection was to my comment that a man can administer a
group of females better than a woman (and vice versa). She is completely
right. I do not really believe this and made the comment mainly with a
view to arousing controversy.
What I really believe is that men and women can make equally good
administrators, regardless of the sexual composition of the group being
administered. But I fail to understand why there is any advantage in
having a dean of women, considering that men do not have one (or do
At any rate, if there was (or is) such a creature, I doubt seriously
whether I would ever consider paying him a visit. As a matter of fact, if I
had any special problem related to being a man, I would probably feel
more comfortable talking it over with a woman.
Because, let's face it, at least 90 per cent of men's problems concern
' relations with women. So why would I want to talk it over with some man
who is probably at least as screwed up as I am?
I say: down with segregation of all forms! It only creates suspicion and
intricate time-wasting conspiracies which could be completely dispelled
by five minutes of conversation with those being conspired against.
Peter Hlookoff
grad studies
against an affirmative action
program is that preferential hiring
is, in principle, wrong. But upon
more careful consideration, even
this claim can be shown to be
simplistic in this case.
For example, we have 281 female
faculty members as opposed to
1,468 male faculty members —
obviously, a ridiculous ratio which
represents, among other things,
years upon years of discriminatory
hiring practices. How can such a
situation be remedied?
The fastest way to create an
environment of social justice here
would be to fire everyone and
rehire women and men in equal
proportions. Unfortunately, for
legal and practical reasons, this is
impossible. The only remaining
course of action which will bring
relief within the average person's
lifetime is an affirmative action
In hiring, or in any other
selective process, it is clear that a
choice in favor of one individual
means a choice against another.
The number of choices made in the
past and being made in the present
against women — women as individuals comprising a class — is
immense. It is much greater than
the number of choices being made
in the present or likely to be made
in the future against men.
Men therefore, cannot complain
— as a class, they have a debt of
social justice to repay, and women,
af to* all these years, are entitled to
a fair settlement of a delinquent
Sheila Lidwill
arts 3 Page 6
Thursday, November 3, 1977
Land claims divide natives
The .following article* on Indian
land claims in the north were
written for Canadian University
The articles came out of a land
claims symposium held last
weekend at the University of
Manitoba in Winnipeg. The
symposium was attended by representatives from Indian groups, the
Berger commission and the Indian
Rights Commission.
The Dene proposal for the Northwest Territories has been called
separatist, and likened to the
Quebec situation. It has also been
called racist, and compared with
South Africa's apartheid policies.
The native people in the north
are split. The Metis Association
and the committee for the original
people's entitlement, representing
the Inuit of the western Arctic,
don't support the proposal. The
Indian Brotherhood of the Northwest Territories does.
At a land claims symposium held
herelast weekend, Steve Kakfwi, a
representative of the NWT Indian
Brotherhood, discussed the claim
of the Dene nation and the reasons
for the claim.
"Dene means people. That's all
it means," Kakfwi told the
audience. Essentially the "Dene
Nation" includes all people of
native descent in the western part
of the Northwest Territories.
While the Dene are asking for
compensation for past use of their
land, the most controversial part of
the proposal comes in the type of
self-government they are
Hie Dene don't wiant to extinguish their aboriginal rights in
return for land, as was done in the
' 'We don't want to be just seen as
property owners. We want to
control the political institutions
which govern the use of the land,"
said Kakfwi.
As Michael Jackson, an advisor
to the Berger commission, pointed
out later in the symposium, the
native people of the north can
remember a time when they were
in the clear majority, "a time when
white people didn't set the tone."
This explains to a large degree
the difference in approach to land
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1978 in the SUB Art Gallery.
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claims by northern and southern
In the north, self-determination,
self-government, and control over
their own lives are seen not as
merely empty rhetoric. They are
seen as political realities, because
people had these rights in recent
memory. In the south, native
people must accommodate
themselves to working within
structures which have been in
place for 100 years, Jackson said.
At present, native people make
up the majority of the 15-member
NWT Territorial Council, but do
not see the council as a means
through which their aspirations
can be reached.
The council itself has very little
power. It is an advisory body to the
commissioner of the Northwest
Territories, who in turn reports to
the federal minister of Indian and
northern affairs.
According to Kakfwi, the council
works on the assumption that
"we're all northerners," sharing
the same values and interests, and,
therefore, one territorial government representing everyone is
"We are not the same. We do not
share the same interests. We are
not there for the same reasons,"
Kakfwi said.
In 1975, for example, the council
came out in support of a Mackenzie
Valley pipeline before settlement
of land claims, despite strong
native opposition. The council's
stand prompted resignations from
two of its members who were also
leaders of the Indian Brotherhood
of the NWT.
Another problem with the
territorial model is that it is rooted
in British, not native, tradition.
"The Territorial Council .. .
doesn't meet our needs at all. We
are more geared to working on a
consensus model," Kakfwi said.
"Nobody has the right to tell us
"Those are your choices. Those are
the structures you can use.' "
In areas of common interest,
such  as  education,   the  three
native population sizes are about
the same, but the whites are
concentrated in the larger settlements.
Hie Dene would have control
over the valley, but the white
settlements such as Inuvik and
Norman Wells would be excluded.
Minority groups in each area
would have the same rights as the
majority, Kakfwi said, but the
institutions would be under the
control of the majority group in
each enclave.
Ihe problem of maintaining a
majority of natives in the Dene
group could be overcome by
controlling the pace of development in each area Kakfwi said. If a
large mineral deposit is discovered
in a Dene area, the government
could put tight controls on the
manner in which it is extracted, to
maximize benefits for the local
population, and prevent an influx
of whites.
"If there is nothing for them to
exploit, why should they come
up?" Kakfwi asked.
The question of the* racial ex-
clusiveness of the areas proposed
by the Dene troubles some observers of the north, who have
likened the proposal to South
African apartheid.
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governments might choose to
present a united front but this
would be the exception rather than
the rule, said Kakfwi.
Within each racial group's
territory, that group would be in
the majority. The Inuit government would be in the eastern Arctic, and east of the Mackenzie
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Another question concerns the
"self-imposed exile" of the Dene
from the larger northern communities, where native populations
make up substantial minorities.
Some observers wonder about the
implications of giving native
people control only over hinterland
COPE, the organization representing Inuit in the western Arctic,
has also proposed the creation of a
separate territory in the
Mackenzie Delta-Beaufort Sea
COPE suggests the racial ex-
clusiveness problem can be
avoided by having a residency
requirement of several years
before being allowed to vote in the
territory's elections. Such a
requirement would disenfranchise
much of the white population,
which is largely composed of
transient federal civil servants.
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Adapted by Steven Berkoff
An M.F.A. Thesis Production
Directed by Barbara McColl
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Courts cannot satisfy Indians
There is little chance of native
land claims being settled through
the courts, a specialist said
recently at a symposium on land
Ken Norman, a special counsel
to the Indian Rights Commission
said at the University of Manitoba
last weekend that he had higher
hopes for the recently established
Indian Rights Commission.
This commission, set up earlier
this year at the urging of the
National Indian Brotherhood, will
use a joint committee process to
spell out the validity of land
Norman said he hopes the
committee will agree there was
some basis of trust when land was
surrendered by native people to the
Norman outlined three land
claims in the prairies that are in
theprocessof being heard in court.
He said he thought they were good
claims under any doctrine of
fairness and obligation, but added
that native people would probably
lose all three cases.
The first case he spoke of is the
Stony Plain claim near Edmonton.
A chief and six band councillors
"Trouble with you people is you never knew how to use the land.'
Northern native issues
need different solutions
are suing on behalf of the tribe,
saying that 10 square miles of land
has been held in trust by the
government since it was surrendered in 1908.
They are claiming the land was
lost through inducement and that
they never voluntarily gave it up.
They are charging that the agent
who arranged the surrender
wrongfully and falsely arranged
for die legal documents to be
The natives are asking for $50
million and cancellation of the
The justice department has filed
a statement of defence objecting to
the claim on a number of grounds.
Ihe first deals with the statute of
The justice department is
arguing that after 70 years it is too
late for the natives to claim the
The department claims the band
leaders represent themselves and
no one else. It is also their contention that there is no trust
relationship between the federal
government and the native people
over this land.   .
They say that the surrender was
for the benefit of the band and that
there was no fraud or inducement
involved in getting the natives to
surrender the land.
The justice department has an
alternative defence which says
that the natives acquiesced to the
surrender. There is also the
problem of people now living on the
land, which is now part of suburban Edmonton.
There is a similar claim on the
Pegan reserve in Alberta involving
a claim for $25 million.
The details of the claim are
almost identical to the Stony claim
and Norman said it was obvious
that the lawyers had xeroxed the
Stony claim since many of the
passages are identical.
The justice department has not
yet filed a defence on this claim.
The third claim involved three
reserves in southeast Saskatchewan where the inhabitants of two
reserves were induced to give up
their land and move to a third
In explaining why he thought the
land claims cases would lose in
court, Norman cited a recent case
in New Brunswick.
A part of the Red Bank Indian
reserve had been surrendered over
100 years ago but it had never been
The claim was that Gilbert Smith
was farming land that he did not
own. Norman said that the facts
were all quite clear; the land was
the land referred to in the
surrender and it was clear that
someone had, at some point, taken
the land without paying for it.
Smith, however, had a legitimate
bill of sale from someone who in
turn had bought the land.
"Thefactsareclear but the band
loses," said Norman. Norman said
that in the decision, the judge
quoted an 1825 verdict which said,
"long dormant claims have often
more of cruelty than of justice in
Norman said he thought it
unlikely that the courts would like
to get involved in determining the
validity of claims that date back
for long periods of time unless a
trust relationship can be clearly
Native problems in the north are
different than those in the south
and demand different solutions,
according to a special counsel for
the Berger pipeline inquiry.
Michael Jackson said Saturday
native land claims must be different in the north than in the
While southern natives can work
within white society without
assimilation, he said, northern
natives cannot and do not want to
accept those structures.
What they want instead is to
"shape the future of the north in
terms of their own perception of
what the north should become."
They want a "reordering of the
relationship between northern
natives and the rest of Canada," a
process where they are given
"political and economic rights to
ensure they remain a separate
While southern natives have
more than 100 years of experience
with European institutions and
government, Jackson said, northern natives have only experienced these for about 20 years.
They have not had the experience   with  these   institutions
and thus prefer to stay with their
own political systems, which do not
fit in with the southern systems.
For instance, he said, native representatives on the Northwest
Territories Territorial Council are
not very effective because they do
not follow the European custom of
having elected representatives responsible for making important
decisions that affect the community.
The native representatives think
they do not have the right to make
these decisions, he said, so the
bureaucrats from northern affairs
make them instead.
This leaves 6,000 civil servants
governing 15,000 native people,
Jackson said, and that is the way it
is going to remain unless there is a
"radical shift of political power
and of the structure of government"
But since northern natives have
an "inalienable right to govern
themselves," he said, a right that
cannot be given or taken away by
governments, this change must
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Boob-tube spawns aggression
If you have been an avid
television viewer since you were
knee high to a grasshopper, then
you could be overly aggressive and
lacking in creativity.
These are a few of the findings of
a four-year study on the impact of
television in society released this
summer by a group of UBC
psychology professors.
And in an interview with The
Ubyssey Tannis Williams, leader
of the group, expressed concern for
children who watch television.
"I personally feel aggression is
not a positive trait," Williams said.
"Therefore if I had kids I would
restrict their viewing.
"I would have them spend more
time in other activities and given
the current content of TV, I would
Peter Suedfeld, Brian Little and
graduate students Darylynn Rank
and Dennis Rank, tested adults'
creativity levels by giving them
puzzles to solve. The adults in
Notel ware able to solve the puzzles
faster than the adults in the other
two towns.
A third study by graduate
student Gordon Handford and
Williams observed the amount of
participation by the townspeople in
community affairs. They found
that more people in Notel,
especially those 55 and over,
participate in community activities more than in Unitel and
Reading skills of children in
grades 2, 3 and 8 were tested by
Raymond Cor teen. He concluded
"If I had kids I would restrict
their viewing ... I would be
be selective with what my children
The average North American
now watches 20 to 25 hours of
television a week, she said.
In the study, Williams and her
associates investigated three
towns in B.C., each with a
population of 700 to 800.
The first town, called Notel by
the researchers, did not have
television. The second town,
Unitel, received only CBC. And the
third town, Multitel, had CBC as
well as the three major U.S. networks.
The researchers first studied the
towns in 1973 and 1974. Lesley Joy,
Meredith Kimball and Merle Za-
brack examined the levels of
verbal and physical aggression
among the children in the schoolyard and in the classroom.
They concluded that the children
in Notel, who did not watch
television, were less aggressive
than the children in Unitel and
Multitel, who did watch television.
that the children in grades 2 and 3,
who did not watch television, had
better reading skills than those
children who did watch television.
Students in grade 8 did not show
In another experiment on the
effects of television creativity,
Williams and graduate student
Linda Harrison asked people to
describe as many ways to use a
newspaper as they could think of.
The more imaginative people were
able to supply many ideas.
People are able to generate more
ideas, according to the theory of
"ideational fluency," if they have
had many direct experiences with
life, the report says. Because
watching television detracts from
these experiences, television
viewers have lower levels of
creativity, as was the case with the
citizens of Unitel and Multitel.
Reactions to the environment
were also studied by Suedfeld. He
found that residents of Notel had a
more favorable perception of their
environment, than did those of
Unitel and Multitel. For example,
Notel people showed more interest
in maintaining the existing parts of
the environment.
In 1973 — after the researchers
had completed their first study —
Notel received television. Two
years later, in 1975-76, all three
towns were observed and tested
The second study showed Notel
children had become more
aggressive, Notel adults took a
longer time to solve the creativity
puzzles, Notel participation in
community activities dropped and
reading skills of Notel students in
grades 2 and 3 declined.
The results of the study prove
television may be considered a
harmful media. But does television
have any positive functions?
Williams hypothesized preschool children have an increased
vocabulary because of television
but said that the studies do not
show any positive effect of
"But then is aggression a
positive trait?" Williams asked.
"It could be, but I won't make a
value judgment."
Williams described television as
a passive experience rather than
an active experience. She
suggested that programs which
involve viewer participation, such
as yoga or certain children's
shows, create more participation
for the viewer.
"Television could be more instructive," Williams said.
"The purpose is to be entertaining but all things on TV are
teaching us.
"Even   though   they   are   en-
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such as what is right and what is
wrong, and these messages are not
always accurate with reality."
The results of the study of the
three towns will be published in
book form some time in the future,
Williams said. She said the book
should have an important impact
on the scientific community.
But she also said many people
are curious about the whole
question of television in our society
and are interested in the results of
the study.
"More parents are thinking
about the role of TV in their family
which is good," she said.
Williams was also involved in a
research project for the Ontario
royal commission on violence.
She said she found CBC has less
overall verbal and psychological
aggression portrayed in its
programming in comparison with
U.S. networks. And if more
Canadian content was implemented in CBC, there would be
less aggression viewed.
"The new head of CBC (Ai
Johnson) contends that by 1980 it
would have a high level oi
Canadian productions," Williams
said, adding the CBC has written to
her department for copies of the
But Williams doubts how much
impact the commission will have
because of the way in which it
packages its results. She said some
of the conclusions were realistic
and some were idealistic.
"I wish they would have
separated them out," she said.
"What seems to have happened
is that the easily implemented ones
have been lost in the shuffle and
thef ar out ones are being used as a
vehicle to disparage the whole
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