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Array THE UBYSSEY
Have Mersey
on us
VOL. XLVII, No 27
VANCOUVER, B.C., FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 20, 1964
CA 4-3916
—fred ogden photo
SOLD! To the man with his mouth hanging open and his tongue hanging out. The
commodity was legs (right), auctioned off Thursday to drooling, ogling engineers for
the benefit of Korean Orphans' Fund. Winners got to take the girls to coffee, we're told.
Labor's not pulling strings,
campus NDP brass retort
By TIM ROBERTS
UBC New Democrats said
Thursday they don't jump
when the Vancouver Labor
Council pulls strings.
UBC NDP president Everett Northup denied the im
plication of AMS president
Roger McAfee that campus
New Democrats were acting
as puppets for the Labor
Council in the current dispute over the non-union printing of the UBC Totem annual.
•    •    •
McAfee said Wednesday
the Vancouver Labor Council
had at no time contacted the
AMS before attacking its decision on the printing of
Totem.
Instead, McAfee said, it had
relied on information supplied by its "campus puppets".
Northup claimed Bill
Dunsmuir of the Allied Print
ing Trade Council, an affiliated body of the Labor Council, had met with McAfee in
June to discuss the Totem
situation—which was then being considered.
•    •    •
"The AMS council knows
the situation fully, and probably has more information
than I do," Northup said.
"McAfee is really his own
puppet."
Northup said he felt it was
hardly possible the Labor
Council was acting on information from the UBC New
Democratic party, since the
Council had already met with
McAfee on the matter in
June.
He said he would like to
see the terms of the contract
as there were likely some
firms in Vancouver that were
not asked for bids that could
have taken on the job.
AMS treasurer Kyle Mitchell replied there is no question there has been a relationship between the UBC
New Democrats and the Vancouver Labor Council.
"But the whole question is
a matter of dollars and cents,"
he said. "If two equal bids
came in to the AMS and one
was union and the other nonunion, then would be the time
to consider any union problem."
Mitchell said that the first
responsibility of the AMS is
to the students and not the
unions.
•    •    •
(An AMS spokesman,
speaking for McAfee who was
in Victoria Thursday, said it
was apparent the implicated
party was the New Democrats
as they are the only campus
group outside Totem involved in the controversy.)
UBC co-ed
charged in
drug raid
By RICHARD BLAIR
A UBC student has been charged with possession of
marijuana following a midnight raid by Vancouver police
on a Point Grey pad.	
Barbara Budd, Arts II, will
appear in Vancouver police
court Nov. 24, charged with
possession of marijuana, a
Vancouver police drug squad
spokesman said.
Marty Jensen, 24, who gave
his address as 1376 Bute, was
charged with possession of narcotics at the same time and
will appear in court the same
day.
TAILED
Police said two persons were
tailed Tuesday from the downtown area, where they were
suspected of buying the marijuana and heroin, to Miss
Budd's apartment on Point
Grey Road.
Police said they raided the
girl's apartment and found
marijuana in a purse.
They said they found a man
in the bathroom giving himself
a fix of heroin.
Picture, Page 3
Miss Budd is now free on
bail and was interviewed at
her apartment toy The Ubyssey
Thursday afternoon.
NO  ANSWERS
Asked about the raid and
her appearance in court, she
said: "I am not in a position
to say anything. I have an appointment   with  my   lawyer."
Seeing Ubyssey photographer Fred Ogden in the background she shielded her face
and said: "I don't want my
picture taken."
Miss Budd's apartment is in
a dingy house of the 1920 vintage. Three stories high, it appears dirty and untended with
drab green paint; the trim a
faded yellow. Garish drapes
can be seen in one of the top
windows.
Upstairs, paint was peeling
from the walls and dirt and
clutter was everywhere. In the
upstairs kitchen, bottles were
stacked under a table—eight
cartons of empty beer bottles
and about 20 empty liquor
bottles.
Off to happy
study ground
Treasure this edition — a
week today the last Ubyssey
of 1964 will be in your
hands. We've had enough.
Thus, notices, plugs, and
other vital information must
be in The Ubyssey office by
noon next Thursday.
Merry Xmas,
cackle profs
Christmas exam ination
timetables will be posted
Friday, Nov. 27, the registrar's office announced
Thursday.
Lectures end Dec. 8 and
exams run from Dec. 9 to
19 for most faculties.
Timetables will be posted
on main bulletin boards in
most  academic buildings.
Band plays
despite
union fuss
By JOAN GODSELL
A non-union band will play
at the Frosh dance Saturday
despite protests from the
Musicians' Union.
The AMS signed a contract
with the Vancouver Playboy
Combo, a non-union, non-student band, to play at the Frosh
Sadie Hawkins Dance.
• *    •
The AMS has an agreement
with the Musicians' Union
that non-union bands may perform for AMS functions only
if the band members are university students.
AMS treasurer Kyle Mitchell said, "If we allow the Playboys to perform, it will make
future relations with the Musicians'  Union  difficult."
So far, no replacement for
the Playboys has been found.
They are still scheduled to appear at the dance, Mitchell
said.
• •    •
The Playboys were hired for
$150. If the AMS breaks the
contract with the band, they
will have to pay the band $75.
But singer Tom Northcott,
who was also supposed to perform at the dance, will not
appear.
Northcott, a union member,
is not allowed to perform with
a non-union, non-student band.
Instead, singer Pat Sturdy,
Arts I, will perform, accompanied by guitarist Jim Mc-
Noble.
The AMS-union agreement
was made earlier this year
after the AMS had to cancel
a Royal Engineer Band concert
due to union demands that a
stand-by union group be hired. Page 2
THE     UBYSSEY
Friday, November 20, 1964
from
the
johra
kelsey
The girl friend's cat and I
were quietly trading stories
while waiting for the girl
friend to call us to dinner.
The cat is six months old—
mid-adolescence in the lives
of his kind. We sat and chatted about women, a usual
topic for young men of any
species.
He is just discovering lady
cats and making merry every
night in the alleys of the west
end.
He told me of one lush
young Siamese down the
street.
"Always did go for the
oriental touch," he said, trying to appear older than he is.
I asked him if she was an
inscrutable pussy and he leered a whadda you think at me
in the best Cheshire manner.
I began to comment upon
the endowments of the girl
friend. His lecherous purr
convinced me he knew as well
as I did.
She came in from the
depths of the kitchen, announcing the meal in 10, and
sat with us to have a cigarette.
She then began, right in
front of him, to bemoan his
newfound horniness.
I told her it was natural;
and, fearing the worst, pleaded immediately for his masculinity.
"The little beggar's in the
prime of life; let him sow
some wild oats."
"No," she said. "I think it's
time he was altered."
Hell of a diabolic word for
it. Altered, as if he were a
house or a dress.
Not wanting to believe
what I knew to be true, I
asked her just what she
meant by altered.
"Neutered, I mean. Desex-
ed. So he won't be a bother."
"A b ot|her !" I cried.
"Shades of Marquis de Sade!
Cut him off in his prime, just
so you won't have to notice
: that he's excited? What are
you, some kind of fiend?"
"Settle down," she soothed.
"It's a simple operation  and
'   he won't ever know what he's
missing."
I gasped and searched for
:   words, as she calmly informed me that I was to deliver
him to the cat hospital early
in the morning.
The ride there was an hour
of terror: he knew what was
going on, and I knew he
knew.
We both knew it would be
the worse for us to collaborate a way out of it—willing
as I was to allow him to spend
the day in my briefcase.
Now that the colleague of
Dr. Moreau is through with
him, he is so listless he seems
near death. He cares only
about sunshine and cushions,
acting like an old man.
I can't look him in the eye,
but that too will soon pass.
What won't pass is a nagging fear that I'm next.
Or they'll fall
New Red leaders
need China pact
HARDIAL BAINS
. . . eradicate 'em
Eradicate
Brock boys,
Bains urges
By  BRENT  CROMIE
B.C. Student Federation
president Hardial Bains Monday denounced what he termed the professional politicians
of AMS.
Bains made his charge in a
noon-hour soapbox session in
front of Library. He said the
AMS failed to enlist full student support and failed to
solve important problems such
as high fees and textbook
costs.
"We must eradicate this
leadership hierarchy rising
out of the slum areas of the
university," said Bains.
By slum areas, Bains said he
meant Brock Hall.
Bains was aided in his oration by a pamphlet-slinging,
bearded disciple, Ray Larsen,
Arts II.
Bains also criticized fraternities for not supplying a more
academic form of student organization.
He attacked The Ubyssey for
not providing adequate coverage of AMS activities.
The Ubyssey is a bundle of
concocted news, he said.
A lively argument cropped
up when Bains criticized the
AMS for having members with
low grades.
"I had a 78.5 average last
year and will resign my Federation position if I don't get
at least 75 next exams," said
Bains.
By ANN BURGE
China is a bear with one atomic tooth
And there are signs of activity in the other molars, said
UBC Economics and Slavonics
professor H. E. Ronimois
Thursday.
Dr. Ronimois predicted at a
noon-hour lecture sponsored
by the Slavonic Circle that unless the Soviet Union reaches
an agreement with China, the
days of the new Brezhnev
government are numbered.
SOVIETS WILL PAY
"And it is the Soviet Union
who needs the agreement, not
China, the Soviets will have to
pay for it," he said.
"The question is, what will
this payment be?" Ronimois
asked.
He suggested that since the
Soviets need relative peace
for their long-range economic
ambitions, they could not give.
China nuclear arms.
"But they might reach
agreement by giving neutral
economic assistance to China,"
he said.
DANGEROUS SITUATION
Ronimois emphasized the
fact that if the U.S.S.R. did
give China the materials and
knowledge necessary for rapid
nuclear expansion, we would
be facing a dangerous and
completely unpredictable situation.
"For the Soviet Union, nuclear war would spell the
end," he said.
"But China's best interests
would be served toy losing 200
million people. She has too
many people for good, long-
range economic planning. To
her nuclear war would mean
the transfer of the world's
centre to Peking."
Ronimois   pointed   out   that
there   will   be   few   economic
changes  in  the  Soviet  Union,
under the new leadership.
GAINING POWER
He said he feels the change
in leadership occurred in order to solve the problem of
agreement with China, which
is rapidly gaining power
among the communist parties
of the world.
"Most countries have two
communist parties — the Soviets and the Chinese," he said.
"And the Chinese party in
most places has the most support."
9 students
win trip
Nine UBC students will see
the new Germany next summer, courtesy of the German
government and Lufthansa
airline.
The students will leave in
May for a three-month working holiday in Germany.
They pay between $100 and
$125 for the trip, but make
this back toy working for two
months in German factories,
hospitals or businesses.
"The German government
sponsors the trips to show
non-Germans the new Germany—free of Hitlerism and
highly modernized," said German Club president R. L.
Hempel.
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THE     UBYSSEY
Page 3
McAfee says:
AMS plans
probe on
dorms
The AMS survey on residence problems will oe formulated by AMS and Inter-
Residence  Council  executives.
AMS president Roger McAfee and co-ordinator Graeme
Vance were appointed by student council Tuesday night to
work with representatives of
Inter-Residence Council on
planning the survey.
•   •   •
The survey will ask residents questions on food services, regulations, study conditions, and personal services
available.
No date was set for completion of the survey.
Grad student president Jim
Slater has been appointed
chairman of the AMS committee studying the report on
academic goals.
• •    •
The committee has two
council members and three
members of the student body.
Librarianship president
Sally Sargent and Forestry
president Sandy Grey were appointed from council but the
other positions are still open.
The aim of the committee is
to examine Guideposts to Innovation, the report of UBC
President John Macdonald.
• •    •
Special emphasis will be given to the chapters concerning
the quality of student life and
the aims of the university,
Slater said.
Evaluation of the AMS program, provisions for more academic activities, promotion
of higher education through
high school information programs, and priorities in residence construction will receive  special  attention.
Don't mess
things up,
says Cecil
If man is to discover the
real nature of life, he must
align himself with life, Lord
Martin Cecil told more than
100 skeptical students Thursday.
Lord Cecil, president of the
Universal Institute of Applied
Ontology, was speaking on
The Real Nature of Life.
"We cannot be in opposition
to life if we are to understand
its real nature," he said.
"We cannot think out the
purpose of life because what
we think about life may have
little to do with the true purpose of life."
He said the human mind
messes things up by interfering with the unfolding of life.
Lord Cecil, nephew of one
of the founders of the League
of Nations, lives at 100 Mile
House in B.C.'s Cariboo.
He spends most of his time
lecturing throughout North
America on how to find the
real meaning of life.
—fred ogden photo
DOODLE-DECORATED hallway of house on Point Grey Road
greeted Ubyssey reporters. Arts student who lives at this
address has been arrested on a drug charge by Vancouver city police, who raided the house.
Tory pooh-poohs
Hees  CUS post
Choosing the Canadian Union of Students' honorary
president is one of the trivial details left to the boatd of
directors, local CUS chairman Gordon Gaibraith said
Thursday.
Gaibraith was defending the
choice of George Hees, former
minister of trade in the former
Conservative government, as
honorary president.
Gaibraith is a member of
the UBC Conservative Club.
Student president Roger McAfee said voting is usually
done by mail, and the award
is given to the person receiving the greatest number of
votes.
He said he did not know why
and under what authority the
honorary president was chosen
this year.
CUS constitution says the
honorary president is elected
by the board of directors as
soon as possible after the CUS
congress.
Galbraith's assistant, Tim
Le Goff, said: "The honorary
president has no duties—it
gives him and CUS some publicity."
Gaibraith denied he had any
influence over the board of
director's choice of the ex-
Conservative minister.
Come again?
You may have missed the
first coming but for God's sake
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There's no shortcut to passing English 200, the English
department said Thursday.
The warning followed an
advertisement by the student-
run College Shop in Brock
Hall that canned English 200
notes were for sale.
The ad, which has appeared
several times in The Ubyssey
classified section, said:
"Excellent English 200 notes
now on sale at the College
Shop. Check the high quality
yourself."
"Anyone spending his
money on these things is wasting his money and is misguided," said an English department official Thursday.
The UBC English department considers such notes a
waste of time and money, she
said.
"People would be better off
doing original work rather
than regurgitating o t h e r s'
work."
English 200 is considered
one of the biggest stumbling
blocks to success at UBC.
More students flunk it than
any other course.
"The tests aren't useful,"
said the spokesman. "Every
English prof has read them all
anyway.
"But please don't quote
me," she said.
"It's dangerous."
Grid skirmish
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FRIDAY,  NOVEMBER 20,  1964
Apathy? Great!
Student apathy—bah—we should have more of it.
Student non - participation in campus events is
blasted annually by almost every campus newspaper in
the country.
Yet we wonder how many students have ever bothered to list the number of events taking place on their
various campuses in a set period.
Graeme Vance, AMS co-ordinator, counted all the
bookings made through his office in the first term.
He found UBC students had staged 650 events since
the beginning of September.
Only 51 of these were what Vance calls major events
featuring top speakers or entertainment.
That means the 60-odd days we have been here this
term there have averaged about 10 events a day.
It is a further expression of UBC's big campus
diversification.
A well-publicized speaker or singing group will
draw well — anything up to 5,000 students.
But the real core of student activity is the numerous
club and society-sponsored events.
With the exception of the twisty dance sessions and
the big name entertainers—which are just good fun—
the smaller isolated events promote thought and exchange of ideas outside classroom confines.
Following a speaker, or film, or panel discussion thete
inevitably is a small knot of students with questions
and ideas.
The result is a better student—in the purest sense
of the word.
Who says UBC students are apathetic? That 650
events figure looks pretty big to us.
And The Shig
There's something odd going on at UBC's animal
farm.
Three sheep and two pigs escaped into C-lot and
were hurriedly tracked down and returned to captivity
by farm personnel.
Officials refused to divulge the nature of the experiments being conducted with the animals.
But we can guess.
They're trying to develop a cross-breed—a shig.
Think of the possible products.
Wooly bacon. All-rind sweaters.
You still couldn't make a silk purse out of a sow's
ear, but you could sure as hell knit one.
A farm spokesman said the nature of the experiment could not be released because the animals would
be pestered by inquisitive persons and would not cooperate.
It's likely there's another reason.
Did you witness the display of contemporary dancing (the Dog, Swim, Fish, Shake, Frug, etc.) yesterday
in the Brock?
Those wise in animal-lore probably don't want students observing sheep-pig activities for fear it will start
a new dance.
And we agree—the world isn't quite ready for The
Shig.
EDITOR:  Mike Horsey
Managing           .... Janet Matheson
City       Tom Wayman
News       Tim Padmore
Art -.-.  Don Hume
Sports        George  Reamsbottom
Asst.  Managing     Norm  Betts
Asst. City   Lorraine Shore
Asst.  News   Just  Miss Munroe
Associate  Mike Hunter
Associate  Ron Riter
Magazine -  Dave Ablett
Despite libel suits and jellybeans,
the sun has sunk in the west after
another day. Two birthdays made
this one of the brighter ones: Corol
Smith is now 16, and can buy firecrackers, and Paul Wood is now 21,
and can buy liquor. Not together.
Why  not?
Others who sweated green stamps
for the cause of managed news
(thank you, Hardial): Ann Burge,
Richard Blair, Art Casperson, Al
Birnie (sss), Carol-Anne Baker,
Doug Halverson, Bob Burton, Lome
Mallin, Lynn Curtis, Mike Bolton,
Donna Pirrie, Tim Roberts, Brent
Cromie, Robin Russel, Ian Cameron,
Bert McKinnon, Flash Fred Ogdon,
Ed Clark, Harold McAllister, Jack
McQuarrie. Come back John Dilday,
all  Is  forgiven.
"Uh, yep, As mos* be de place alright.'
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Lithographers speak
Editor, The Ubyssey:
Re: your edition of The
Ubyssey on Friday, November
13. It carried an article on
the front page entitled "Scab
Claim Unjustified, says editor". This article is lacking in
fact and truth and contains
many inaccuracies, and in at
least one instance, an outright lie.
Mr. Mcjntyre's statement that "We're not antiunion, but as far as we're
concerned the Mitchell Press
strike is not justifiable", is a
classic. If this is an example
of the education that Mr. Mclntyre is gaining at the University then either the curriculum is sadly lacking or he
has a closed mind. Of course,
Mr. Mclntyre is entitled to his
opinion, but when the weight
of public opinion, including
the Trade Union Movement,
Industry and the Labor Department of British Columbia
have recognized the strike at
Mitchell Press as a legitimate
economic strike by two Trade
Unions, it is difficult to understand how he arrived at his
singularly minority opinion.
The person who stated that
"The Union is not out for the
good of their membership;
they are out to get Mitchell
Press," is a liar. The facts of
the strike are as follows:
During the negotiations for
a renewal of the labor agreement with the lithographic
industry in the city, Mr. Mitchell advised the Union by registered mail that he would
be represented in negotiations
b y Management .Research
Western Ltd., a labor relations
firm who was representing all
major lithographing and printing firms in those negotiations.
Negotiations broke down
after going through conciliation proceedings and the Union took a strike vote in
several plants, one of which
was Mitchell Press. The dispute was mediated by the Labor Relations Board and settlement was reached. Mitchell
refused to be bound by the
settlement although all others
in the city agreed to the settlement. There are twenty-
two lithographing and printing shops under agreement.
The Union was obliged to
strike Mitchell Press in an attempt to gain a signed agreement which would provide the
same wages and conditions
agreed to by all other employers for whom we are certified in the city.
The Bookbinders, who came
in negotiations at the same
time, were faced with an identical situation and were
obliged to strike three months
later. At the time they struck,
the Photo Engravers came out
to support the strike.
The likening of the Mitchell
Strike to the Evergreen jurisdictional dispute is, of course,
not new to us although entirely wrong. Mitchell Press has
desperately attempted to do
so to confuse the issue and
sway public opinion. The
CLC and the Vancouver Labour Council branded the
Evergreen dispute as a juris
dictional dispute between two
unions,  and  not  a  legitimate
strike  against  a  company.
It is our understanding
that, during the last weeks of
supposedly negotiating in
good faith, Mitchell Press
employed scabs to stand toy
for a strike.
EARL KINNEY
President.   Local  44,
Amalgamated
Lithographers
of America.
•ir    V    V
Athletes or artsmen
Editor.  The Ubyssey:
Not long ago you reported
the absurdity of spending
$600,000 on a new stadium
which would foe built to accommodate a mythical 10,000
sports fans.
Far more important than
this project would be the
construction of a new auditorium for known audiences
of 1,000 to 2,000 people.
At present there are no
really suitable facilities for
guest speakers and theatrical
productions.
On Nov. 17 at least 150
people had to be turned away
from a sell-out performance
in the auditorium— at best a
drafty, dingy and decrepit
remnant of another era.
The new Freddy Wood
theatre does not meet the requirements owing to its
small seating capacity and
bureaucratic inaccessibility to
student-sponsored organizations such as Special Events.
DAVID   MORROW
Arts II
JACK   MURCHISON
Arts III McAFEE vs. BAINS
AMS or B.C. Student Federation — See Pages 2, 3 pf
NOVEMBER 20, 1964
ON THE COVER: Roger McAfee
(on the left) and Hardial Bains
meet headon through some
camera work by Don Hume. The
two never got this close in interviews taped and transcribed
on this page and the next.
Editor:  DAVE ABLETT
Current Affairs Peter Penz
Criticism     John  Kelsey
Books, Films Graham Olney
Artwork     Jeff Wall,
Gerry Ehman, Al Hunter
Read on, McDuff.
Those massive bits of
conversation on this page
and the next are sort of
an experiment — tape-
recorded interviews with
two people of opposing
sides and conducted while
both are present.
The interviewer in each
case was Keith Bradbury,
former editor in chief of
the Ubyssey and now a
first-year law student.
The issue is student organization and both Hardial Bains—the president
of B.C. Student Federation, newest of UBC's student organizations, and
Roger AcAfee, president
of the AMS, oldest of
them — have had words
about the subject in recent weeks.
On Page 4, Norma
Blackstock, the World
University Service scholar to Spain last year, discusses life at Madrid U.
M. A. Scott is on the same
page.
THE CHALLENGER
On Page 5, Jim Lotz
reviews Open at the Top,
James M. Minifie's shotgun blast at Canada-U.S.
relations and Tony Hudz
interviews Gavin Walker, on jazz naturally. On
7, Thomas Wu, the poetry
critic who stomped in the
pit of messageism in last
week's PF, takes it on
the nose, in poetry and
prose from Dorothy Live-
say.
Once in a while
the AMS should
come out and talk
about the issues,
says B.C. Student
Federation's Bains
PF Two
Hardial Bains, head of
the B.C. Student Federation, answers questions
posed by Keith Bradbury
in this taped interview.
Q You have been quoted
as saying the AMS isn't doing the job it should be.
What specifically should the
AMS be doing' that it is not?
B I think the quotation is
correct and I will go point
by point through what the
AMS should be doing. One
of the criteria of an organization is that when it's going to represent the whole
student body, the 17,000 students on the campus, it
must have a large student
leadership and with this
Alma Mater Society structure I do not feel that this
has been achieved. My second point is that there are
problems concerning students in the field of high
cost books, in housing, in
increased fees, and in getting a place on the campus
for   academic programs.
Apart from this there is
complete lack on the part
of the Alma Mater Society
leadership of promotion of
political discussion of these
issues on the campus. Now,
this organization, the student council or Alma Mater
Society, should be a pillar
in increasing or promoting
discussion on issues which
affect the general body of
17,000 students. This could
be done if the Alma Mater
Society leadership came out
on the campus once in a
while and dealt specifically
with the issues as open information. Now, I am aware
that there are quite a few
agencies which are doing
work. Maybe my argument
could be negated by Mr. McAfee by saying that we (the
AMS) have a committee on
housing, we had a means
survey on fee increase, and
that we are looking into
the book situation but I
would suggest that if the
Alma Mater Society is concerned, instead of having
these various sub-committees going they should come
to the students and ask the
students to participate more
widely than they are doing
now.
Q What does your organization offer as a solution
to the inadequacies of the
AMS?
B I think the B.C. Student Federation will be ins-
trumental in alleviating
much of the so-called apathy
prevalent on the campus
by prompting discussion of
the issues on the campus.
This will be achieved by
asking the student membership to give their opinions
and  sending  representation
to the Alma Mater Society
so their opinions can be
heard.
And also it will, by its
activities, bring various
shades of opinions to the
attention of students and
they will be better informed
to make their decision when
these kind of problems turn
up. The other point is that
the Alma Mater Society is
a clique, a group of people
who decide in their first
year on the campus they
want to make a career out
of this. They work in a certain   way   for   four   years.
them    to   the   attention   of
AMS?
B I would say no. The
only thing this organization
will try to do is to have petitions on the part of the student body submitted to the
Alma Mater Society and
give students a defendent
on these specific issues. We
will have specific suggestions as to how these problems can be solved, and we
will give them to the Alma
Mater Society and as the
AMS to submit a referendum on each issue and see
what happens.
Q For two weeks in a
row, we have seen the bookstore picketed by small
groups of students. The impression generated was that
those doing the picketing
started demonstrating while
lacking any facts whatever
about bookstore profits. Do
you agree this was the case?
Do you agree with this sort
of approach?
B One of the ideas of
picketing was to ask the administration to give us information about the profits
of the bookstore. This controversy has been going on
for years and there has
been no initiative on the
part of the administration
to  give us any  information
". . . The Alma Mater
Society is a clique. I do
not see myself running
tor any Alma Mater Society position ..."
They do not necessarily deal
with the student issues. They
deal only with the issues
which confront them in
reaching the top hierarchy
of this organization.
The B.C. Student Federation, when it brings up the
issues in the open rallies
and evening sessions and
also through small demonstrations or rallies in front
of the Library, this will
bring up possible student
leaders who are only interested in student issues, not
reaching some position in
the AMS.
Q You say the student
body should have a bigger
student leadership. What do
you propose to accomplish
this?
B My suggestion is to enlarge the student council of
some 26 or is it 25 to 51 and
have a parliament and have
more hired staff to do the
business. This parliament
should meet every two
weeks or once a month to
discuss the policy decisions
and the executive can carry
through the rest of this. Now
if these reforms are brought
about the Alma Mater Society can have a real big
role.
Q Do you plan to take
specific action in areas such
as books, housing, fees and
so on. Do you for instance,
plan to set up committees,
or to tike some other form
of action to solve these problems   other   than    bringing
as to where this money goes.
These demonstrations and
picketing were also promoting and propogating the idea
of establishing a student
co-operative bookstore—low
cost bookstore under Alma
Mater Society.
And by these demonstrations one of the things
which has been achieved is
that the issue has again
brought in front to the student council leadership and
to the administration and
our next step in this line is
to get enough signatures to
submit a petition to the
Alma Mater Society and ask
them to have a referendum
on the establishment of a
low cost bookstore.
Q How many students do
you believe support the
actions of your group. Also,
how many members do you
have?
B I think this is quite a
subtle question. I would say
everybody supports the B.C.
Student Federation. But we
are not interested in having
an organization membership
parallel to Alma Mater Society. The idea, however, is
not to have members for the
sake of having members. On
this campus there is a strong
core of, I would say, 200
students. And as you know,
this B.C. Student Federation
only came up about one and
a half months ago. We have
not really gone into a membership campaign or tried to
evolve a much stronger nucleus. But I would repeat
again, our emphasis is not
just to concentrate on membership.
Q From what you have
said, you seem to indicate
then that the B.C. Student
Federation is not working
in opposition io the AMS but
rather would work as sort
of a pressure group of students working within the
AMS, is that correct?
B I think it's correct, and
one of our slogans is to reform the AMS. But, this
group, wherever it is possible, will help the Alma
Mater Society. We will work
in various committees, or on
specific committees formed
on specific issues and we
will impart any pertinent
information we may have.
Q Ifs my understanding
that the B.C. Student Federation was formed as a result of ihe NDP Youth Convention. What connection,
if any. has the B.C. Student
Federation with 'the NDP
Youth and how do you
come by your claim that the
organization is non partisan?
B I don't think we have
any affiliations with the
NDP. It's true that the B.C.
Student Federation was supported by the NDP Youth
Convention and the exact
resolution was that the NDP
Youth will support the establishment of a non-partisan student movement in
B.C. However, we have no
formal contact with any one
political party.
Q Do you personally
have any political ambitions
on campus? Also, would the
B.C. Student Federation be
likely to field a slate of candidates in campus elections?
B As far as I am concerned, I think I will make the
statement that I am leaving
by next September so whatever my ambitions are, they
are already here. I do not
see myself running for any
Alma Mater Society position or to any other position
in this student bureaucracy.
With regard to the second
point, it's very premature to
suggest that we will run a
slate of candidates.
"I would say everybody
supports the B.C. Student
Federation. My suggestion is to enlarge the student council... and have
a parliament."
%. AND CHALLENGED
Three second-time
student councillors
don't make a
self-perpetuating
clique, says AMS
president McAfee
Roger McAfee, head of
the AMS, answers Bradbury's questions and Bains'
charges on his half of the
tape.
Q Would you say that
ihe complaints made by Mr.
Bains are valid complaints?
M Well, I don't know exactly what all the complaints are, but from what
I've got here Mr. Bains
charges that student council is a clique. Now I would
like to point out that on the
existing student council,
there is only one councillor
who was on there last year,
and only two councillors
who have been on student
council before. It is difficult
to see where one gets a
clique when you consider
that there are 26 people on
the student council.
I am plased to see that
Mr. Bains and his group are
interested in promoting discussion of the issues. I think
this is very good. I think
any group that comes along
and wants to do this certainly has the support of
everybody on the campus
and certainly has the support of student council. As
to representation, I think
you will find that student
council is in a fairly good
position to find out what is
going on and what students
in various segments of the
campus feel.
Q What specifically is the
AMS doing in the areas
mentioned by Mr. Bains,
specifically, with regard to
books, housing, fees, and
the lack of leadership to
promote political discussion
on campus?
M Well, this summer I
had considerable discussion
with some local book people
on the bookstore and we
currently have letters out to
all the big publishing houses
looking into the possibility
of operating our own bookstore.
But there is one factor
which has emerged so far
and that is that the retail
price on books is set pretty
effectively by the publishing houses and not by the
individual bookstores. From
time to time there are some
exceptions to this, but this
is basically the situation. If
we go after lower cost
books, it would not be reasonable for us to bring books
in and sell them at the same
price as the bookstore; we
have to sell them at a lower
price. Unless you have a big
ancilliary enterprise such as
a much - expanded College
Shop, that you just simply
cannot afford by cutting
down the profit on the
books,   you   simply   cannot
afford to operate a bookstore alone.
Now, it is true that bookstore costs may be somewhat high and I think that
they're wrong in not pointing out where their money
goes but I do think that it
is not as simple as saying
that because students will
do it the books will be
cheaper. As for housing, we
are all aware of the peculiar problems involved in
housing on  the   campus.
There are particular problems involved in the discrepancy between the type of
accommodation available in
Fort and Acadia camps and
ing to be able to keep the
fees down. Costs are rising,
but I think that for the first
time we've started out on
the right approach.
As to further academic
activities on the campus, I
think there's a pretty good
indication that the society
is very interested in this. We
have an Academic Activities
Committee which is duly
constituted as a council committee and is now functioning, it functioned on- an ad
hoc basis last year, was given society funds for its program. Our Academic Activities Committee chairman,
Mike Coleman, informs me
that the program, including
generated revenue will cost
over $4,000 this year. We
have a Special Events program which is of quite an
academic nature in many of
its fields whose budget is
about $6,000 per year.
The promotion of political
discussion of campus issues
is another area which has
been raised. I think that
promotion of political discussion is a very good move,
but I think it's most important that the society allow
political discussion to take
place on a completely informal basis. Otherwise you
get charges of control of
discussion and I think that
is wrong. I think that the
political    discussion   of   the
"I am not saying that the
system we now have is
perfect, but I think that it
is probably one of the
better systems. I think
that we long ago learned
at this university that
picketing and marching
accomplish absolutely
nothing."
the Lower Mall. Now it's
our feeling, and the society
is constantly pushing, that
university housing and residences should be financed
from capital funds. We
should not have to borrow
money on a 50 year term
and pay the kind of interest
we are now paying. The
society is on record along
these  lines.
Now, the fees, this is another point which we are
currently i nv o 1 v e d with
both the university administration and the Bladen
Commission. The S tu d e n t
Means Survey which the
society ran last year is coming in very handy. We have
facts for the first time in
our history. We have facts
on which we can base argu-
m e n t s and recommendations. I know the reception
we received when we went
to the proyintial government
with a brief on these was
certainly far better than has
been received in the past.
I have reason to suspect
that with the backing that
this survey gives us, if
there's any possibility at all
of keeping the fees down,
we are for the first time on
the right track. Now, I'm
not saying that we are  go-
PF Three
issues should come from the
students themselves.
As far as lack of leadership is concerned I think
that there have been many
criticisms from other parts
of the campus that there is
indeed too much leadership
on the student council. Now
I think that campus leaders
are those people elected by
their undergradute societies.
If they are not representative of the views of their
undergraduate society, then
their undergraduate society
should make sure they are
aware of these views and
they have a responsibility to
make sure that they are
aware of them.
I'm not saying that the
system we now have is per
fect, but I think that it is
probably one of the better
systems. It needs reform and
there is active reform under
way at the present time, but
I think that as far as leadership is concerned, it is a
function of the undergrad
presidents to protect the interests of their groups. I
think they are doing it to a
very effective  degree.
Q Do you agree that more
staff should be hired by the
AMS to do the work and
that the council should be
left only with a policy-making role?
M Mr. Bains, once again
is approximately six months
behind the times in that
additional staff has been
hired in the area of Publications and in the area of the
office. It is quite possible
now I think that when we
have completed the second
stage of our proposed staff
changes that Students' Council Executive will still be
able to do a good job of
making policy decisions, and
still be able to pass the year,
because that is, after all,
why we are here. So I think
that while some of Mr.
Bains' criticisms along the
lines of too much work, etc.
would have been valid six
months ago or in some cases
further away than that, they
are not at the present time
valid.
Q Briefly, what do you
consider the main accomplishments of the A.M.S. this
year?
M I will answer that
question but I would also
like to list what I consider
are the main failures this
year. I think that one of our
main accomplishments has
been that so far we are living within our budget. We
are not going to have another deficit year, I don't
think. Mr. Kyle Mitchell has
done an excellent job in that
area.
Another accomplishment I
think has been the degree
to which we are being list-
ned to by the provincial government and the Bladen
commission on the question
of university financing.
There is one other major
accomplishment which at
this time I am unable to release but which will result
in a considerable amount of
money being brought in immediately for Student Union
Building as a result of discussions we had this summer. Another accomplishment — I think this is of
concern to many students
who wish to travel—we are
going to operate a much expanded travel program this
year including charter
flights, etc.
Now, I think, and this is
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By NORMA BLACKSTOCK
To my right, two tall boys
in slim, continental suits and
dark, square-framed glasses
are each trying to convince
the other of the verity of
his opinions. To my left, five
girls in short, suede jackets
and pleated skirts are deep
in a conversation which
seems to centre around the
latest American film. (A typical, mid-morning coffee
break in the Facultad de
Filosofia y Letras in the
University of  Madrid.
• •    •
From every social class
come these students all
well-dressed   and  confident.
Madrid University usually
attracts the greatest number of students and professors, not necessarily because
it is the best university in
Spain, but because most students want to be a part of
the tremendous activity that
normally surrounds a capiat city.
An ordinary day in the
life of a Spanish student
begins much th e same as
that of a Canadian student.
Classes begin at  9:45.
A student usually has
three classes in the morning
and spends his free hours in
the cafeteria which, in most
faculties, is by no means a
Diner's Club, but which
serves the purpose adequately.
• *    *
Unlike UBC,  there  is no
running from one end of the
campus to the other between
classes. A student has all his
classes in the faculty building in which he is enrolled,
and each faculty has its own
cafeteria.
Instead of the coffee and
cinnamon bun of UBC, the
Spanish usually have a glass
of vino tinto and a bocadillo
which is a small loaf, with
a very hard crust, filled with
anything from squid to cold
tortillas.
The price of the wine and
loaf is about 10 cents.
In the afternoons, if he
has no science labs, the
Spanish student returns
home to have lunch at two
o'clock which is usually the
main meal of the day.
Very few of the younger
PF  Four
generation take a siesta any
more, but as the stores close
and business shuts down
from between 1:30 and 4:30
each afternoon, most of the
students use the time to relax and catch up on their
correspondence.
Most students live in residences.
Indeed, the better part of
student life resides in the
student residences, for the
university lacks the social
organization which forms so
much a part of the American colleges.
This is perhaps the greatest difference that American students notice. Here,
each faculty is isolated from
the rest, there are no common meeting -places, no
lounges, no central library,
no games or club rooms.
• • •
However, what the university lacks in social and cultural organization during the
day, the city more than
adequately makes up in the
evenings.
Spaniards are avid cinema-goers and for most films,
tickets have to be reserved
days in advance. To a lesser
extent, they are theatregoers and in the early evening five or six students in
a residence will form a
group and dash off to see
the 7 o'clock or "matinee"
showing.
They usually split the
price of a box among them
which enables them to have
an excellent seat and yet
keeps their spendings well
within their tight student
budgets.
• •    •
Or they may go down to
the Plaza Mayor which is the
ancient part of Madrid to
visit the lascas. These are
tiny bars hidden in the grey
stone walls of the old buildings. Their counters are
lined with every hors d'
oeuvre imaginable which
are called pinchos. each
pincho costing one peseta.
The students visit each tasca
in turn, having one pincho
at each.
The Spaniard is no homebody, his castle is the street,
and his favorite pastime,
watching other people. For
this reason, Madrid is a city
of cafes and restaurants
where people can go, under
the pretense of having a cup
of coffee or a glass of wine,
to watch other people.
The students are no exception and often spend the
hours before dinner, which
is usually at 10 o'clock, sitting in the cafes, drinking
coffee; eating French croissants and watching other
students.
There has been a great
change in the concept of a
university education during
the past 10 years. With the
increased growth in industry, a steadily-growing middle class, and a rising standard of living, a university
education has become almost
a necessity rather than a
luxury.
Competition for stable and
well-paying positions is
strong and those students
with some highly-specialized
training are much more likely to be offered them.
Indeed, so great has the
need for this specific training become, that more and
more emphasis has been put
on the sciences and less and
less, on the humanities.
• • •
The burden which rests on
the shoulders of almost
every student is usually economic. The aim of every
student who undertakes a
university education is first,
to enter a faculty which will
assure him of a suitable position upon finishing his studies; second, to get through
the entire course in as little
time as possible; and third,
to find a good position as
soon as possible after graduating. As a result, most of
the faculties are designed to
meet these immediate needs,
for example, a student entering law or medicine is
not required to pass one or
two years in a liberal arts
course before entering his
chosen faculty as he must
do at UBC. Hardly does a
student spend a trial year
in an arts course to see
which classes he prefers and
rarely does he change faculties once he has embarked
upon his chosen career.
At  this  point in  his life
THE WRITER
Norma Blackstock spent
last year speaking Spanish
at the University of Madrid
as a World University Service Scholar  from UBC.
she's   back   in
third -year
This   year
She's   21
headed   for
arts, longing
to be back in.
Spain and
seeing little
prospect o f
being so in
Ihe next
three to four
years,
years old and
an   honors  BA
in Spanish, naturally.
an education for its own
sake does not appeal to him
and he is therefore more
likely to enter a faculty
which will offer him specific
training rather than spend
any time in the humanities.
The faculties considered
to be the most stable are
Law, Engineering, Pharmacy, Medicine, and in the
last three or four years, economics and political science
have increased tremendously in popularity.
• •    •
The most obvious fact
would be that such a technical education would leave
a tremendous cultural gap in
the life of every student. A
few students feel this, but
they also feel that they cannot afford to sacrifice any
time at this critical period
of their lives.
Innumerable government
scholarships and bursaries
have made such a change,
that now the farmer's son,
who, 15 years ago could look
forward to nothing more
than continuing on in his
father's footsteps, now listens to lectures in the faculty
of engineering.
Three years ago, the Min-
istery of National Education
created a new department
called the Equality of Opportunities Fund which is concerned with setting up an
unlimited number of scholarships for all who wish
them.
• • •
However, not even a minor precentage of these scholarships are filled, partly because their initiation has
been fairly recent, partly because the idea for higher
education for all is still relatively new in Spain and not
completely accepted, and
partly because a good number of people in the small
pueblos scattered throughout Spain, are still unaware
even  of   their  existence.
Their value cannot be
over-emphasized, however,
as the following case will
show. A girl in my residence
is the daughter of a miner
who lives in a small village
in Asturias in the north of
Spain. Ever since she was
four years old she has had
her education entirely paid
for by the government in
the form of scholarships and
bursaries. She was one of
the first women to take the
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Minifie ought
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and think
before he writes
By JIM LOTZ
In this book, James M.
Minifie, Washington correspondent for the CBC, levels
a blast of journalistic buckshot at two targets — Canada and the United States.
With such large targets, Mr.
Minifie was bound to hit
something; it seems such a
pity that he did not bother
to take aim before firing.
Minifie starts with an expression of astonishment at
a poll taken in Toronto that
showed most respondents favored union with the States.
The book sounds as if he
sat down and wrote it in one
sustained burst of indignation on hearing this news.
The result makes interesting,    and    often    appalling
OPEN AT THE TOP. By
James M. Minifie. Toronto: McClelland & Stewart
Limited. 194 pp. $4.50.
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reading. For Mr. Minifie has
a lot to say, and can, when
he chooses, say it well. But
he is so brim full of rage
that he fails to focus his
anger and to direct it where
it  might do   most good.
He ranges widely and
wildly over such topics as
Quebec nationalism, the Cuban crisis, the Great Lakes
shipping strike, and American interference in Canada's
economic and political life.
His main complaint seems to
be that the U.S. is ignoring
Canada, and taking us for
granted.
If Only we would burn an
American flag or two like
those wonderful Panamanians or perhaps nationalize
a few basic industries (not
just power) like those splendid Mexicans! All in all, it
sounds like a brief for a
bad neighbor policy.
The book combines stim-
u 1 a t i o n with annoyance.
Like a fly in a sieve, the
writer darts hither and yon,
needling here, nagging
there, and in general venting his rage on the iniquities of the Americans and the
complacency of the Canadians. In his righteous indignation, Mr. Minifie oversimplifies things. His description of the U.S. China
policy as "No Truck Nor
Trade with the Heathen
Chinee" gives some indication of the sloppiness of his
style and the shallowness of
his analysis. He seems to believe that the American government can tell U.S. corporations how to run their
Canadian subsidiaries so as
to   keep Canadians   happy.
The writer never stays
Ion genough on one topic
to develop it fully or to explain its complexity. He dislikes NORAD and NATO,
and describes their weaknesses well, but even here
his analysis lacks depth.
The style features long
sentences that frequently
fall  over   themselves,  inter
spersed with great chunks
from official speeches and
stretches of the sort of short,
punchy writing that sounds
good over the air, but looks
dreadful on the printed
page. Nowhere does Mr.
Minifie bother to document
his statements.
He just ploughs straight
ahead, spewing out epithets,
unsubstantiated accusations,
and self-righteous assertions.
Somewhere along the line,
the original reason for writing the book gets lost, and
the whole thing falls apart
into a series of disjointed
essays and  paragraphs.
Despite all this, there is
something very compelling
about Mr. Minifie's book,
and it is well worth reading.
For here is a Canadian trying desperately to arouse
his countrymen and our
neighbors to the south to the
need to do something that
will enable our country to
fulfill its great promise. His
impatience and his anger do
him credit. When he takes
the time and the trouble to
sit down and think before
committing his thoughts to
paper, he will write a fine,
rich, even monumental book
on Canadian-U.S. relations.
The task of men with Minifie's ability should not be
to arouse emotions — any
demagogue can do that—but
to sharpen intellects, to analyze objectively, to report
effectively and accurately,
and to convince sincerely.
The present book may stir
a number of people, particularly students who crave
this sort of direct expression.
But it will also leave
them curiously unsatisfied,
as if they had heard a distant trumpet, but were unable to locate the trumpeter
or assess the real quality of
the tune.
HUDZ' JAZZ
UBC's fountain
of jazz spouts
all he knows
about why jazz
By TONY HUDZ
This week, column consists of an interview with
UBC Radio's man (walking
encyclopedia) of jazz, Gavin Walker, who presents
Undercurrent every Thursday evening from 8:30-10:30
p.m.
Hudz: First off, Gavin,
why do you like jazz?
Walker: Well, I could be
hip and say because it
swings, but that's not
enough. It's the music of our
time; jazz is always changing. It's a very high form of
communication. Every note
is real to me. It could be
done in words, but music
says it so more completely.
For example, I feel it's a
higher form of communication than folk music, which
attempts to say the same
things.
Hudz: What do you mean,
"higher?"
(Continued on Page 6)
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Often called "India's Man-of-Music", he is classed
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(Continued  from  Page  5)
Walker: Jazz's subtlety is
what makes it higher. It's
abstract to the extent that
it doesn't lay it on the line
for you like a book. It
leaves you free to interpret.
Jazz possesses a unique universality in this way.
Hudz: What then, is the
essence of jazz?
Walker: Jazz is a disciplining of the senses. It's listening with your ears and
body. For example, a lot of
musicians close their eyes
when they play. This is a
concentration. The essence
of jazz? I really can't be
completely explicit, put it
in a single word. It's, I suppose, feeling, but moving
feeling, moved by rhythm
or swing. Like a conversation, it's not a static art.
Hudz: Let's go to kinds
of jazz. Do you prefer one
over any other?
Walker: I like all; I have
no particular preference.
Hudz: Since jazz is the
music of the time, do you
feel some past forms of jazz,
for example dixieland, have
lost their validity today?
Walker: Referring to dixieland, yes, when it's played
by young men. The Dukes of
Dixieland, for example,
have only studied the form.
But dixie is limited. It was
happy, sad, poignant; but
jazz isn't so today. Gradually it's encompassing the
entire gamut of human emotions.
Hudz: So you prefer modern jazz?
Walker: Yes. It says more
to me, has a wider range of
emotions, as the world today
has a wider range of emotions. Like, we didn't use
to have   self-annihilation.
Hudz: When we were
, talking earlier, you mentioned that you were knocked out by Ravi Shankar.
Why?
Walker: Yeah, Indian music has rhythmic things in
it that are so much more
complex than jazz. The improvising, too, is way over
jazz's level. It's like jazz
used to express abstract
feelings, moods. I often feel
unsatisfied with jazz, because   the   mood   isn't   sus-
PF  Six
Ravi Shankar, Indian Sitar-
ist appears in Auditorium,
Sat., Nov. 28, at 8:30 p.m.
See Hudz' column for reaction of jazzman to Shankar's music.
tained. It often lasts just as
long as a single solo. This
isn't completely true, there
was Lester Young, and Parker, who could create this
entire mood throughout a
piece. But I feel the only
one who can do this for me
now is Mingus; and occasionally, Monk.
Hudz: Why Mingus particularly?
Walker: Because Mingus
creates such a range of complete moods. He is the composer, the driving force behind his band. He doesn't
leave any doubt in your
mind he's boss. His bands
are very disciplined. But
it's funny, he needs the context of a band to do this.
He's not so good on his own,
but when he has a band to
control, he's out of sight.
He used to be able to do
this, like in that great Mas-
sey Hall concert of '53; but
he^ grew.
Hudz: What do you mean
grew?
Walker: Well, he became
more than just a great soloist. He needed an orchestra
to bring out his emotions, to
expand them. Bird would
have probably done the
same thing, if he had lived.
I don't know.
Hudz: From what you've
said, it almost seems you
feel it's illegitimate to
create a variety of moods in
a single selection. Is this
the   case?
Walker: No, it depends on
what you're trying to say.
One of the challenges of
jazz is to sustain a mood, to
Keep it alive, explore it to
the fullest. Indian music, to
get back to that, has this.
It's almost hypnotic, you
forget yourself. It's true
communication. Real communication is like love, it's
two people having the same
feeling, being on to something together, feeling it
apart together.
Hudz: Let's talk about
your show. Undercurrent.
You mentioned that you
feel you're back crusading.
What do you mean?
Walker: Because of the
complete freedom I have,
it's my show. I don't mean
to sound dictatorial, but the
only way to turn people on
to jazz is to let them listen.
If there's anything I can explain, I do so. And, I can
pace the programming, like,
not play two hours of angry
music. I have to present a
variety of emotions, for the
listeners' sakes, and my own.
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By ETHEL  BLOOMSBURY
Girl With the Green Eyes
received the Canadian Federation of Film Societies
award for "significant advance in content and technique". I can see some advance in technique but not
much in content.
The film uses tricky fades,
dissolves and dialogue
twists. During a scene Kate
Brady   (Rita  Tushingham)
GIRL WITH THE GREEN
EYES, directed by Desmond Davies. Scenario by
Edna O'Brien, based on
The Lonely Girl. Britain
1963. Al the Varsity.
and Eugene (Peter Finch)
will be talking. The film
cuts from one location to
another but the dialogue
continues. One sentence in
a tea shop is finished in a
bar, and so on. I see no
specific purpose here except
to create a lyrical atmosphere.
(Continued on Page 8)
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A poem to read, a
poem to buy, a poem
tor its own sake —
to make wu blu
being written on the occasion of a review
churned out by one thomas wu.
—ed.
Wow, Mr. Wu!
Yoo hoo, you who
I'm calling you straight
From heaven's gate.
— What are you saying?
I can't hear quite.
— But you said it yourself,
"Make sounds, not sense."
Yoo hoo, Mr. Wu!
In the midst of the holocaust
Sit on the fence.
You!
WHO?
—dorothy livesay
Now she wants
Wu to jump back
into the pit
of messageism
By DOROTHY  LIVESAY
It was strange to see a fin
de siecle doctrine lifting its
head in your columns now,
in mid-century Vancouver.
Your poetry reviewer, Mr.
Wu, is apparently an advocate of art for art's sake—
surely an irrelevant theory
today?
It seems he wants his poetry free from "the pit of
messageism" (what a contorted metaphor!) and "concentrating more on sounds
than sense."
What Mr. Wu and his supporters need, I suggest, is
sense of history. There have
always been two streams of
poetic expression in literature: first, the stream of social criticism coming from
Langland's Piers Plowman
and expressing itself in the
nineteenth century through
Blake and Shelley; and in
the twentieth, through Spn-
der and Auden. Much of it
is poetry of prophecy.
In American literature,
Walt Whitman leaps to mind
—that revolutionary poet
who is Charles Olson's
acknowledged master. No
one can read Olson's Projective Verse aloud without
hearing also Whitman's
beat, his long line.
The same could be said of
Ginsberg, Corso, Leroi
Jones. If their poetry is
"messageism" then it is the
most virile  stuff we've got.
The other stream in English poetry is lyrical and
personal; subjective or objective according to the
mood of the times. At the
moment objectivity is all the
rage, as it was when Ezra
Pound, William Carlos Williams and H.D., among others, first launched the ima-
gist manifesto 50 years ago.
These poets, admirable for
i i their attack on clutter and
cliche (a good antidote to
the  Georgians   in   the  20s),
are nonetheless escapists.
With their emphasis on form
(sound, rhythm, spacing),
they often end by communicating nothing at all.
Several young and gifted
B.C. poets have fallen into
this trap of art for art's
sake. In the pit of messageism at least one can scurry
around and find roots and
meat to eat, but in a trap
the only sustenance offered
is cream cheese.
As a continuous diet it's
cloying — and worse — it's
monotonous! It's time we
had a Garcia Lorca or a
Vachel Linday again, to give
us some good rousing ballad
poetry in tune with the
times.
BISTROS
Lynn knows no
ballads really
worth singing;
but she sings
By TAJA  BHAVAN
Currently appearing at
the "" Bunkhouse this weekend is Lynn Hughes who is
billed as a ballad and blues
singer. Lynn herself says
she does not know any ballads really worth her singing but, when she finds one
she likes and feels she must
sing, she does so without
hesitation.
This good looking woman
has a voice that is also very
beautiful. It seems almost
too velvety for a folk-blues
songstress and for the first
few numbers I could not
visualize her as a blues
singer.
Lynn plays her own accompaniment, managing the
blues chords well. She came
on strong toward the end of
the set when she sang High-
Flying Bird.
Along with Miss Hughes
is a UBC student, George
Hewison. He has a powerful
voice that at times does not
fit into a coffeehouse atmos
phere. When he moves from
the ballad to the more commercial folk vein he sounds
good—like a member of the
Kingston Trio or the Lime-
lighters.
One outstanding song he
sings is a humorous satire
on the B.C. Socreds where
he uses a medley of known
tunes with new words.
Next Monday to Thursday only is Canadian comedian Dave Broadfoot.
Held over at the Ark are
Peter Elbling and Jana
Bergh. Peter has definitely
improved since the summer.
He has dropped a lot of his
seriousness on stage and become humorous in his presentation.
This is not to say that his
music is not good. Can you
imagine a coffeehouse
where everyone has his eyes
closed because of the beauty
of Peter's guitar playing?
It happened last Friday
night. Some songs to look
for are The Falconer, a
well-done rendition of
Grandfathers Clock, and
England's reaction to Frank-
ie and Johnnie — Stanley
and Dora.
Jana Bergh is new to
coffeehouses and it unfortunately shows in her performance. Nevertheless, she
has a voice that one envisions a female folk songstress to possess. She is accompanied by Walt Robertson who at times seems to
be playing some other tune.
Perhaps this is because
he does not play simple
chords but delves a little
deeper into the music. The
majority of Jana's material
is essentially simple in nature and is very relaxing to
hear.
Her accent is very noticeable when she sings in English (she also sings several
Indonesian folk songs).
Starting Tuesday night at
the Ark is The Drunkard.
PF  Seven
WEDNESDAY NOON — NOVEMBER 25
AUDITORIUM
IMMORTAL    LAND
a film of Greece
Colour — Narration in English
A WORK OF ART! A GEM!
BRILLIANT, BEAUTIFUL,
TOUCHING, WONDERFUL,
LOVELY!
— New York Herald Tribune
PETER FINCH
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(Continued from Page 7)
Girl With the Green Eyes
is a character study of a
middle aged man and a
young girl who become involved with each other, first
platonically, then emotionally. But their relationship
is doomed from the start.
Eugene's find in Kate—
gaiety and spiritual freedom— is lost at closer
glance. As they begin to see
each other more and more,
to make love and to open
their inner selves to each
other, the relationship disintegrates. Immediately
Kate becomes jealous and
afraid Eugene will leave
her for his estranged wife
in America. Inevitably they
break — he goes back to
his country house and she to
London. Eugene's prophesy,
"There is no always in human relations", comes true.
The film is directed by
Desmond Davies with Tony
Richardson as executive-
producer. The Richardson
touch is there. British kitchen-sink is evoked but there
is a distinct trend to suppress the theme. There is
not, as opposed to Taste of
Honey, a feeling that the
dirty surroundings influence the characters. Instead,
a Joycean flavor permeates
, the whole thing. Morals, religion, narrow minded relatives do their part in hastening the inevitable. Here
it is people and not dreary
surroundings who disintegrate the relationship. It is
a long awaited trend. Loneliness of the Long Distance
Runner started it and Girl
With the Green Eyes is
carrying on. Thank God.
MORE McAFEE
(Continued from Page 3)
one of Mr. Bains' criticisms
that is valid, that we have
failed to a certain degree
to interest the broad base
of students in participating
in the decision making process of the society.
They are certainly participating to a much greater
degree in the activities of
the society. Now, there is an
active program to remedy
this and I think that Mr.
Bains' group is certainly doing a lot to aid in this area.
Q What is your view of
the B.C. Student Federation? Do you feel il is a possible de facto student government or do you see it as
a somewhat friendly pressure group?
M Well, I think that if we
accept what Mr. Bains has
to say at face value there's
no problem of it becoming a
de facto of student government. I think that any group
that feels it has a legitimate
complaint has the responsibility to bring it to the proper authorities.
The only thing that does
tend to worry me is method.
I think that we have long
ago learned at this university    that    picketing    and
marching accomplish . absolutely nothing. The reception we have received by
the provincial government
in past instances when we
have picketed and written
obscene songs about them
has been absolutely no good
at all.
Picketing may be a useful adjunct to a well researched brief but as the
only method of pressure I
think it has proven in the
past at this university to
fail every single time. It
has the additional harmful
effect of destroying any
confidence University officials may have in the group.
Q Do you believe most
students support the idea of
the A.M.S. or do you believe there is considerable
dissatisfaction   with   ii?
M I think that they support the idea of a student
organization, the student union. I think it has proven
in the past that it's been
able to get things done for
them. It's like collective bargaining. If it's intelligently
handled  it's  very effective.
I think that there are always those who are opposed
to any form of formal organization or any form of authority, and I think that it
would be reasonable to expect that those students
would not be particularly
happy with the Society as it
now operates. I would think
that most people are, generally speaking, reasonably
happy.
CALENDAR
PF   Eight
The Visit, by Friedrich
Durrenmatt. Starring Joy
Coghill, Tom Hughes. Nov.
20-28, Freddy Wood theatre.
Student admission, 75 cents.
Student night, Monday Nov.
23, 7:30.
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12.
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The Second Coming, a
special events production.
Courtesy of Mohammed Ali.
• •    •
Faculty Chamber Music
Recital. Music of Weisgarber, Brahms, Beethoven.
Nov. 24, 8 p.m., Bu. 106.
• •    •
Boeing, Boeing by Marc
Camoletti, Metro Theatre.
Opens tonight. To Nov. 28.
directed by Robin Lake. La
Troupe Moliere.
• •    •
Copenhagen Siring Quartet, Tuesday, noon. Auditorium. Special Events.
•    •    •
Marriage of Figaro, Nov.
19-28. Vancouver Opera Association. Impress your girl,
take her to the opera. Wow.
• •    •
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Lennox Robinson. Arts Club
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Nov. 23-28. Directed by
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Meanwhile, for descriptive literature, to arrange appointment
times, and obtain application
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THE     UBYSSEY
Page 5
PR man says
NEUROLOGIST    Dr.    S.    N.
Berens will chair a free forum on Emotional Factors in
Epilepsy tonight in Hebb
theatre at 8 p.m. Berens is
from Western Institute on
Epilepsy.
Image survived
liquor incident
By ROBIN RUSSELL
The image of the University will not be lowered because
of   a   liquor   charge   laid   against   a   fraternity   member,
Information Officer J. A. Banham said Thursday.
The   public   in   general
Lawyer gets
flight job
Employment Opportunities
(Regular and Summer)
All the nudes
that's tit
to exhibit
A nude is the most versatile
object an artist can use, the
director of the Vancouver Art
Gallery said Thursday.
"Erotic elements are an essential part of painting and
sculpture," Richard Simmons
told about 200 students in Education 100 yesterday.
"Vancouver has matured
greatly in the last few years
in its acceptance of the nude,"
he said.
Simmons was speaking on
the current Nude In Art exhibition at the Vancouver Art
Gallery.
Several years ago a contemporary nude painting was
forceably removed from the
Vancouver Art Gallery and
branded as obscene.
"But the current show is
earthy and profound and reflects man as he has seen himself through the ages," he said.
"The views range from prudery to eroticism. It covers
three areas: eastern, western
and primitive."
Galleries are turning away
from theme shows, Simmons
said. His show is only the third
in North America to use the
nude theme. It continues until
Nov. 29.
in general
would no more condemn the
University for this foolish incident than it would condemn
the U.S. on the basis of the
John Birch Society or the
statements of Barry Goldwater," he said.
• •    •
"There is a group already
prejudiced against liquor and
students who will interpret
this incident as a reaffirmation
of opinions already held," said
Banham, "but it is a minority."
Although fraternities are
always linked with the University in the public's mind,
this is not true, Banham said.
• •    •
"They are not on University
land, and cannot be controlled
by the University. UBC should
not be judged on their behavior, although they usually conduct themselves in a beneficial
manner.
"It would be very unfortunate if the public took the view
that this isolated incident was
an example of all students,"
he said.
Farms and rain
probed Monday
Two Canadian scientists involved in agrometeorology—
the application of weather information to agriculture—will
speak on current research on
the subject Monday.
Dr. George Robertson, head
of agrometeorology science in
the research branch of the
federal Department of Agriculture, and Morley Thomas, assistant chief climatologist of
the meteorological branch of
the Department of Transport
will also speak at the meeting
in Forestry and Geology 101
at 3:30 p.m.
Start 'em young
LONDON, Eng. (CUP) —
Children should begin school
at the age of two, the English
National Union of Students
has recommended this week.
By COROL SMITH
Ken Christensen, Law II,
was named AMS travel director at Tuesday's council
meeting.
Christensen will be responsible for publicizing and organizing the AMS charter flight
to Europe.
"The big problem last year
was that not all seats were
filled in the flight going over,
and some of the passengers
were going only one way,"
Christensen said.
"The result was that the seats
could not all be filled for the
return flight and the project
lost money."
This year, he said, the problem will not be as difficult.
The plane has a capacity of
110 rather than 140, the fare
is lower, and students already
know about the flight from
last  year's  publicity,  he  said.
The flight leaves Vancouver
non stop to London in May,
and returns in August. Exact
dates have yet to be decided.
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November 17 & 18,1964
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THE      UBYSSEY
Friday, November 20,  1964
OLYMPIC FLAVORED BIRDS TACKLE WARRIORS
BARRY McKENZIE
. . . defence
BOB FORHAN
. . . forward
AL McLEAN
. . . defence
GARY DINEEN
. . . centre
KEN BRODERICK
... in goal
Birds' Olympic guns set
for invading Warriors
By ED CLARK
The Warriors are coming
and the Birds' guns are
ready.
Seth Martin, all-star goalie
of the 1964 Winter Olympic
Hockey Championship, brings
his Warriors from Rossland to
battle the Hockey Thunderbirds this Saturday and Sunday at the Thunderbird Winter Sports Centre.
But Martin -won't be the
only Olympic star in action.
The highly regarded Birds
have five players from the
Canadian Winter Olympic
Team which played in Innsbruck, Austria, earlier this
year.
• •    •
Barry McKenzie, Al McLean,
Bob Forhan and Gary Dineen
are no strangers to Martin but
they will be out to give their
former teammate plenty of action around the net.
In the nets for the Birds
will be Ken Broderick. A
standout goalie, Ken was the
Olympic's back-up goalie for
Seth Martin but they will be
on opposite ends of the rink
during the two-game stand
this weekend.
These are the first games of
the season for the Thunderbirds, and Rossland, currently
in first place in the Western
International Hockey League,
are well into their season and
will provide rugged competition for the Varsity.
• *    •
However,  head  UBC   coach
Robert Hindmarch has jelled
three strong lines and his defence will keep the forwards
honest. Besides the Olympic
stars, there are seven returnees
from last season's team which
will provide the UBC squad
with plenty of depth.
Rossland will have their
work cut out for them in stop
ping the well experienced and
precisioned line centred by
Gary Dineen, with Bill Bowles
and Bob Forhan on the wings.
With Barry MacKenzie and
Al McLean paired on defence,
memories of the Olympics will
flash through Martin's mind as
he roams the crease deflecting
flying rubber.
• • •
Jack Littler centers the second line flanked by Clint
Smith and Les Johannesen.
Since everything comes in
threes UBC will throw a
third line at Rossland, led by
the mighty-mite from Powell
River, Wayne Hunter. Gord
Schnepe,    Ken    Ronalds    and
Walt Richardson will alternate
at the wing positions.
195-pound Al Mterlo, a second year Bird who came from
Michigan Tech where he
caught the eyes of the Detroit
hockey organization, will beef
up   the  defensive  corps.
Martin has played in four
international hockey championships in the last four years,
winning one of two world
championship tournaments.
Seth won the all - star goal-
tenders award each time.
On Saturday at 8 p.m. and
again Sunday at 1 p.m. he will
have a chance to show the fans
why he is the best amateur
goalie in the world.
Rugger Birds
flex their muscles
UBC's rugby squad will be  out to  flex  their muscles
Saturday at the expense of the Ex-Britannia team.
With this game, which goes
Old boys' race
A rowing race between present UBC crews and a make-up
crew of the "old boys" from
the Olympics will be held this
Saturday at 9:00 a.m. on Coal
Harbor at the Vancouver Rowing Club.
The UBC rowing crew still
needs a manager, anyone interested is asked to phone AM
1-8469, evenings.
at 2:30 at Wolfson Field, the
T-Birds should maintain their
hold on second place in the
Vancouver Rugby Union's first
division.
The Ubyssey interviewed Mr.
Buzz Moore, UBC's Assistant
Athletic Director about the
rugby situation at UBC:
"This is the first time in recent years that we have had
such a strong Varsity team,
and the players have a fierce
desire to show well."
"The spirit," he went on to
say, "is partly a result of recent appointments to the Physical Education department of
men who are dedicated to the
sport, and men from outside
the department who are giving
freely of their time to help
coach."
"We are determined to maintain this rugby boom by paying more attention to the feeder teams, to ensure a constant
flow of experienced players to
the Varsity squad."
The UBC team, with its
highly entertaining style of
play, goes into the game with
an overall record of nine wins
and one loss.
In other games Saturday:
Royal Roads College of Victoria hosts the Braves; Tomahawks meet Ex-Brits II, and
Totems take on Georgians
1:30 at Wolfson.
SPORTS
EDITOR:
GEORGE REAMSBOTTOM
UBC tourney
goes overland
The 17th Annual Pacific
Northwest Cross Country
Championships, sponsored by
UBC, get underway tomorrow
at 10:30 a.m. with clubs, universities and high schools
from Washington, Oregon,
and British Columbia competing.
About 250 entries will be
competing in four divisions:
the Intercollegiate and Senior
Club Championship, the Freshmen & Junior (under 20)
Championship, the High
School and the Junior High
School  Championship.
Track & Field Coach Lionel
Pugh has designed a course
which will have the Seniors
running approximately six
miles and the Juniors approximately three miles. All races
finish at the UBC Field House.
Members of the UBC varsity
team are Rod Constable, Rick
Beardsley, Tom Fell, Vic
Reeves, Sean Duffey, Bob Tapping and Peter Horn.
Football talk
Frank Gnup has called a
meeting for all JV and Varsity
football players to be held in
Rm. 213, Memorial Gym, next
Tuesday noon.
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THE     UBYSSEY
Page 7
THE SKI BUM
By TIM ROBERTS
With just a little more snow, the ski bum just might
become its annual real self again.
At any rate, VOC will be ending its most successful
hiking season in years, with two climbs this weekend, as
activity shifts to skiing and exams.
The Squamish Chief will be subjected to a mass invasion
by the club, with experienced climbers going up various
routes on the front face, while hikers will make their way
up the trails on the back side.
A "tea party" will be held on the top when the different
ascents are made, followed by a marshmallow roast and
sing-song in the natural "Kakademon Amphitheater" below
the main wall of the Chief.
• •        •
Dick Culbert, a long-standing member of VOC and one
of the most experienced climbers in Vancouver, will lead
the second ascent ever made of the Trestle Tower in the
Cheakamus Canyon this weekend.
Last weekend the mountaineering school saw 50 members
work on trail clearing in the Sky Pilot area east of Britannia,
and although snow impeded work, a considerable amount of
clearing was accomplished.
Because of the snow, VOC is channeling its energies into
the planning of the annual Christmas ski trips.
This year, nine trips are being organized, including Big
White, Todd Mt., Kimberley, Rossland, Glacier, Bralorne,
Schweitzer Basin and Crystal Mt., with the Mt. Seymour
cabin open all Christmas.
Transportation will be primarily by car, with some cars
shuttling in between the above areas to try out the different
conditions.
• •        •
The Thunderbird ski team has begun more specialized
ski training, with special training on the trampoline and the
bars, in an attempt to develop reaction, balance and coordination.
The prospective team's workouts also stress particular
conditioning exercises and "the stairs", which consists of one
mile of sprinting up and jogging down the bleacher stairs in
War Memorial Gym.
Saturday the team will play soccer, again stressing reaction and coordination.
Until last week the team had been working out on the
general skiing conditioning program, which entailed general
exercises and running long distances for stamina.
• •        •
I made the mistake of browsing through an anthology of
Canadian poets the other night when I came across "The
Song of the Ski" by one Wilson MacDonald.
From the sweatshop of ski training, essay writing, and
cramming for exams, I offer these lines of inspiration to any
appreciative soul, with due acknowledgement to the author:
"The bravest ski has a cautious heart And moves like a
tortoise at the start, But when it tastes the tang of the air
It leaps away like a frightened hare."
Have you ever seen a tortoise or a rabbit marker-out?
New coaching program
for track and field
Track and field buffs take note!
Expert coaching will be available Monday through
Thursday on all phases of Track and Field.
Top coaches such as Eric Broom, Lionel Pugh, Bud
Forbes, Don Basham, Vic Lindal and Gordon Johnson will
be available weekdays 2:30 to 4:30 providing appointments
are arranged beforehand with the respective coaches.
If you're a discus thrower, jumper, pole-vaulter, shot-
putter or sprinter you would be wise to come out and improve your technique.
The over-all UBC track and field program is in
charge of head coach Lionel Pugh.
He can be contacted in room 216a of the Memorial Gym
or phone local 439.
NUTS!
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For Sunday
Soccer Birds
have high hopes
Despite   a   discouraging   record   to   date,
Soccer coach Joe Johnson remains optimistic
The T'Birds go into this Sunday's Pacific Coast League encounter against third place Columbus with two wins in nine
games, good enough for last
place.
Johnson feels that this dismal showing, which may bode
ill for the Birds chances of entering the PCSL next year, will
shortly be replaced with improved performance.
A half-line that has been
plagued with injuries thus far
will be intact with the return
of Keith Commons, Walter
Hanik and John Haar.
Also, Johnson feels that his
team may be adjusting to the
"change of pace" offered by the
PCSL, a league that is "a shade
rougher and quicker than
we've been accustomed to."
Another thing that may
eventually work in the T'Birds
favour feels Johnson is superior conditioning.
Sunday will be the beginning and against Columbus
the Birds will have their work
cut out for them. Columbus
beat them 3-1 last time out
with the help of the league's
top goal scorer Bobby Smith.
Thunderbird
Thunderbirds
battle Chiefs
Peter Mullin's basketball
Thunderbirds travel to Victoria this weekend for two
games against the Haida
Chiefs of the inter - city
senior "A" league.
Besides UBC, Eastern
Washington St. College, St.
Martin's College and McGavins will be competing
in next weekend's round
robin tournament.
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THE     UBYSSEY
Friday, November 20, 1964
'tween classes
Alsbury debates school politics
The Pros and Cons of Political Clubs in Schools. Pro: Stu
Leggatt. Con: Tom Alsbury.
Today noon, Ed. 100, sponsored by Ed U.S.
• •    •
EAST ASIA SOC
Dr. D. G. E. Hall: nationalism- in S.E. Asia. Noon today,
Bu. 220.
• •    •
UBC CHOIR
Annual Fall Concert noon
today, Brock Lounge. No admission.
• •    •
RAMBLERS
Meeting for members interested in basketball noon today,
Bu. 212.
• •    •
DAWSON CLUB
H. W. Schwartz, of Pan-
American Oil today, noon,
F&G 102.
• •    •
FROSH US
Sadie Hawkins Dance Sat.
8:30 - 1 a.m. The Vancouver
Playboys, Pat Sturdy. Tickets
$1.50, at door.
• •    •
CLASSICS CLUB
Hellenistic Poetry today, 8
p.m., Buchanan Penthouse.
• •    •
BOOSTER CLUB
General meeting Mon. noon,
Bu. 219.
• •    •
BIOLOGY CLUB
Dr. I. Stein: Snow Algae.
Noon today, Bi. 2321.
TOM ALSBURY
. . . harangues
RICKSHAW BURNING
Campfire discussion, Zanzibar style, tonight in the club
junk, Marpole.
• •    •
NEWMAN  CENTRE
Play, Under Milk Wood, by
Dylan Thomas tonight and
Sat., 8 p.m., St. Mark's Lounge.
* *    *
LIBERALS
Grant Deachman, MP, discusses the flag, defence and the
destruction of Parliament noon
today, Bu. 102.
+   if   ^
STUDENT  COMMUNISTS
Joseph Zuken, Winnipeg
Alderman: Canadian Communists and Dernocracy. Today,
noon, Bu. 104.
PRE-MED SOC
Meeting noon today, Brock
Ext. 361 for all interested
in Oakalla Volunteer Social
Groups.
• •    •
VCF
The word of God or the
word of man—noon today, Bu.
106.
• •    •
IH
Demonstration of Scottish
Country dancing by West
Point Grey Scottish dancers
tonight, 8 p.m., IH. Members:
35c; Non members:  50c.
• *    •
UKRAINIAN VARSITY
Meeting and discussion of
banquet, cultural activities
Mon. noon, Bu. 223.
• •    •
UN CLUB
Rhodesian independence discussion Mon. noon, IH.
East Meets West Symposium
Sun. 2 - 9 p.m. at IH.
EIC TOASTMASTERS
Anyone interested in public
speaking meet Mon. noon, Eng.
204.
• •    •
LUTHERAN   STUDENTS
Rev. G. Leutkehoelter: Is
Atheism Genuine? Monday
noon, Bu. 102.
.      •    •    •
EL  CIRCULO
Prof. J. A. McDonald: present-day Latin-American relations noon today, Bu. 204.
• •    •
ARCHAEOLOGY CLUB
Beach Grove trip Sat. Meet
at lab, 12:30.
• •    •
GERMAN CLUB
Encounter with Germany,
travelogue with English commentary today, noon, Bu. 203.
•      •    •    •
CUSO
Colin Johnstone speaks on
two years in Sarawak with
Canada's Peace Corps, Mon.
noon, Bu. 203.
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FOUND ADS inS6rtea free. Publications office, Brock Hall., Local 26,
224-3242.
LOST—Brown wallet Saturday in
Engineering Bldg. Needed desperately. Reward. Phone Mike CA 4-
9856.	
LOST—Raincoat, tan, "Quad" coat
Tuesday noon in Bookstore Coffee
Shop. Probably have yours. Phone
Bob 738-2476.	
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224-9805, Carolyn Allan. Lost Hebb
Theatre, BI, Sciences, Forestry &
Geology.	
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6-2593.	
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324. 8:30 class, Wednesday. Will ex-
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Bldg.  Phone 922-2265 after 7.
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Automobiles For Sale
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I960   VOLVO   544.   Good   condition.
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Thursday 10.30 pair girl's brown
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IF  YOU   are   suspected   of   being  a
study  space  hog—BEWARE!
MOON RIVER PROM featuring "The
Sinners". Dunbar Heights, Kairos
24th & Collingwood, Nov. 28, 8.30
p.m. $1.50 per couple. Tickets at
the door.
HEAR the young lovers in action.
731-9108. Soon you can SEE the
young lovers in action.
5,000 students own C.U.S. Life Insurance. Do you? Enquire Rm. 258,
Brock or phone TR 9-2924.
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Phone 929-1575 or 988-8405.
SMART QUALITY clothing for all
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FOR SALE—Metal blizzard reisen
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new $150. Sell for $100. Call Helen
Stirling CA 4-9090.	
A NUMBER of unique pieces of
Kwakiutl design for sale privately,
reasonably priced, for further in-
formatlon  phone  874-2757.
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These have been compiled from
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Rooms
81
SHARE cozy room with quiet senior
stud, (male), priv ent. bath, phone,
near Gates,  CA 4-3648 after 5.
DOUBLE accommodation for male
students. Private entrance & bathroom.   Near bus.   CA  4-7991.
GIRL, with large warm apt. on Dunbar has an attractive bed-sitting
room for rent, full use of kitchen,
phone etc. included in $25 monthly
rent.  Phone 731-8654 after 6.
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Room  & Board
82
WANTED ride to Ottawa or vicinity
Xmas. Will share expenses & driving. Phono Mel 224-9011,  Rm.  170.
EMPLOYMENT ~~
Help Wanted
51
HOME EC field work? Congest ic help
wanted, 5138 Maple. Phone 266-4740
ATTRACTIVE ROOM & board for
one or two, vacant now, own wash
room. AM 1-6863.
RENTALS   &   REAL  ESTATE
Furn. Houses & Apis.
83
FURNISHED home, students, teachers, five adults, spacious rumpus
room, TV, etc.; warm, near UBC.
Home for students for years, Telephone AM 1-4332, 12-1 p.m.
(Or How To Give A Knight More Life)
Seek SLEEPSHIRTS at the Bay .
RECOGNITION: Distinguished cotton
broadcloth. Profoundly bright in checks
and stripes. CHARACTERISTICS: Nonchalantly
bold. Non-individualistic, in that they
are full cut for comfort. Long point, button-
down collar, three-quarter length
sleeves . . . full sleepshirt, 40 inches long.
HABITS: Grand performer in water.
Refuses to take long to dry.
SPECIES: 100% cotton. FOUND: In
small, medium and large   sizes.
In really great colours of red, blue, yellow,
black and green. 7.95 each in The Bay
Campus and Career Shop, second floor.
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INCORPORATED  2W   MAY   167a
GEORGIA AT GRANVILLE
Shop Daily 9 - 5:30 — Friday 9-9
MU  1-6211

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