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Array Women's budget slash defeated
THE UBYSSEY
Student council Wednesday night narrowly defeated a move by the
Alma Mater Society budget committee to silence the UBC women's committee.
The council decided to delete from the minutes an earlier decision by
the budget committee to slash the women's committee budget by over
$4,000.
The women's committee met with the AMS budget committee
Wednesday morning to decide whether their original budget of $5,800
should go to council for ratification.
According to women's committee spokeswoman Elf Stainsby the
budget meeting was thought of as a
formality. "We very naively
thought it would be basically a rubber stamp. (Without the budget)
there won't be a women students'
voice on campus," said Stainsby.
Len Clarke, AMS finance director and budge committee member,
said the budget was defeated as it
only serves a small percentage of
women on campus.
"The amount of service people
are getting is the issue," said Clarke
who added this information was
based on his discussion with female
students in his faculty of commerce.
Vice-president Marlea Haugen
added she agreed the committee
does not serve all the students." As
far as I'm concerned, if this is a service organization, it should be offering a service and as far as the
women of engineering are concerned, it is not."
The budget committee left the
women's committee with $808,
enough money to "answer the
telephone," according to Stainsby.
She said the reduced budget
would stop women's week, self-
defense courses, workshops on
women's issues, guest speakers and
the Coalition for a Safe Campus
group.
"Our office has always responded to the needs of women on campus," she said.
Committee spokeswoman Jesse
Gossen added in the AMS constitution the committee is recognized as
"providing a useful and necessary
service to the AMS as a whole."
The budget committee met Tuesday night to discuss the budget but
decided to reconvene Wednesday
morning after budget member
Diane Campbell left and quorum
was dissolved.
At the Wednesday morning
meeting the budget was defeated.
"I was really surprised that the
budget didn't pass this morning and
that was my mistake because I
misread the committee," said
Clarke.
Haugen said the budget committee made a "rational" decision on
the facts. "Certain members of
council have chosen to ignore the
facts and I felt it was a vote of non-
confidence put forward by people
who were ill-informed."
The budget committee will now
review the women's committee
budget and recommend whether it
appear before council for ratification.
Vol. LXIII, No. 14
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Vancouver, B.C. Thursday, October 9,1980
DONT YOU KNOW we're riding on the SUB cafe express, we're on our
way to SUB cafe . . . Neil Young made surprise appearance this week to
disinterest and boredom of all concerned. Erstwhile folk flunky began to
chant "Four dead at UBC" but irate caf staff warned him to sing in key or
—arlc aggartaon photo
get out. Onlookers responded by ignoring eternally young and defiant
singer, who was last seen munching cinnamon bun. Young, whose last 48
concerts have been cancelled, was in tears after his set. "I try not to let it
bring me down," Young told Ubyssey photog.
Angry aggies slam A/MS pub project
By GAIL SHAW
Poor planning management of
the South side centre proposal has
left more than egg on the face of
Alma Mater Society Bruce Armstrong, said plant sciences head,
Victor Runeckles.
Nearly 150 enraged agriculture and forestry students expressed
their anger about the proposed centre at a student forum with AMS
president Bruce Armstrong Wednesday.
"Students are strongly opposed
to the site of the proposed centre,"
said Barb Johnstone, Agriculture
Undergraduate Society president,
speaking on behalf of the agriculture students and audience.
The deans of forestry and agriculture were consulted in the early
summer and did not support the
project, said Runeckles.
Students were angry because they
were not told about the proposal
before students council spent
$4,500 hiring an architect and developing plans.
The $700,000 project includes a
150-seat lounge and an "English
style" neighborhood pub.
But the AMS has neglected to
seek approval from the UBC land
use committee and may have to
scrap its plans should the site not be
approved.
"Armstrong is putting the cart
before the horse," said forestry
dean Joseph Gardner. "The very
first thing one should do is apply to
the land use committee and you've
gone about it backwards.
"You (Armstrong) are in a position now that if the committee turns
Kenny hits planned cutback of RCMP
By GLEN SANFORD
Administration president Doug
Kenny slammed proposed campus
RCMP manpower cutbacks at
Tuesday's UBC board of governors
meeting.
Kenny said the proposed cutbacks pose a serious threat to the
safety of the campus community
and urged the board to pass a motion to alert the B.C. attorney
general as to the gravity of the problem.
The motion was passed.
"The situation is very serious and
I think there is action required,"
Kenny told the board. "Hopefully
we can get the authorities to con-
template further any reduction in
(RCMP) staff they may be considering."
The proposed reduction of two
campus RCMP officers "would
constitute a coverage of the UBC
community well below, in my
judgement, acceptable levels,"
Kenny said.
Sergeant Fred Hardy, who heads
the local detachment, is also concerned about the problem and supports steps to battle the cutbacks,
he said.
"We're in a unique area, where
the population at any given time
ranges from eight to 35,000 people.
Crime here does vary," Kenny said.
Student board representative An
thony Dickinson, also criticized the
cutbacks.
"Even now the midnight shift, on
the average, only has one guy on
patrol. He can't possibly cope with
any kind of problem. All he can do
is drive around," Dickinson said.
The number of police officers
assigned to the local detachment are
determined by the number of
students living in their residence
and the amount of crime which
takes place in the area, he said.
"There criterions don't fit our
problems," Dickson said.
Board member Stan Weston said
the cutbacks come at a time when
security is already inadequate. Dur-
ing the summer over $2,000 damage
was caused by vandalism at the construction site of the new trail to
Wreck Beach next to the Anthropology museum, he said.
When the RCMP were called
upon to control the situation, Hardy told him they "would not and
could not send people down there,"
Weston said.
"It's an area they consider
beyond the law, and that's not very
good right on our doorstep," he
said.
Gangs of people were using benches and wood designed for construction to start beach fires, but
the RCMP were unable to handle
complaints, Weston said.
you down, you've wasted time and
money."
"This proposal has never come
before the committee, the only information has been second-hand
heresay," said Runeckles.
"There will be some serious opposition in various quarters and
from the land use committee who
will be concerned whether (the project) is appropriate in terms of having another liquor outlet on campus.
"I'm not convinced there is a
need for student centres all over
campus," Runeckles said. "The
moment you start selling alcohol, a
few students will abuse it.
"The south side of campus is
open and right on the fringe of a
parking lot, where a party could get
out of hand," he said.
Students were concerned about
security and boisterous drinkers disrupting the MacMillan library. A
seven and a half foot wall and gate
will be constructed to prevent access
from the pub, Armstrong said.
"I believe the pub is really being
built to satisfy the needs of the engineering students," Runeckles
said. "I think there's sufficient rivalry between the aggies, foresters
and gears that the only mixing that
might occur is punches."
One student said Armstrong was
saying he didn't want the pub to be
rowdy, but was putting it in an area
See page 3: STUDENTS Page 2
THE    UBYSSEY
UBC still razing Kane
Thursday, October 9,1980
Yet another bureacratic step has
been taken toward the dismissal of
UBC professor Julius Kane, who
was convicted of theft last June by
county court.
Administration president Doug
Kenny met with Kane Friday to
discuss the dismissal. Kenny said
Tuesday he will proceed with
dismissal proceedings and has
notified Kane of his decision.
Kane now has 30 days to request
a three-person hearing. If he does
not request the hearing, Kenny's
recomendation that Kane's appointment be terminated forthwith
will go before the UBC board of
governors.
If Kane chooses to put his case
before a hearing, he will select one
member, Kenny will select another,
and the two appointees will select
the third member. A hearing committee decision would be binding.
County court convicted Kane of
theft of funds from a government
research grant and fined him $5,000
in June. Kenny suspended Kane and
initiated dismissal action after
reviewing transcripts of the trial.
Oops
Exorcists hired by The Ubyssey
are investigating the existence of an
evil god who lives in a typesetting
machine and misspells names in
front page cutlines.
We would like to apologize to Jason Gray, medicine 1, for identifying him as a water closet in Tuesday's edition of The Ubyssey. The
persons who failed to spot the error
when the correct spelling appeared
in an accompanying article have
been taken outside and shot.
Persons who to their dismay and
disgust find themselves talking to
one of our reporters should make
sure the incompetent gets their
names right. It's so hard to get good
help these days.
CHAMBERS, PHILLIPS
CHARTERED ACCOUNTANTS
We are a meduim sized local firm of chartered accountants
seeking persons to article as chartered accountant students in
our Vancouver office.
If you are currently on a Faculty of Commerce undergraduate
or licentiate program, have a sincere desire to become a
chartered accountant, and will graduate in 1981, we would
like to meet you.
We will be recruiting on campus on November 5. Persons
desiring to meet partners of our firm must apply for an interview and forward their resumes to the Campus Placement
Centre by October 15, 1980. These applications will be pre-
screened. Students selected for interviews will be contacted
as quickly as possible to make appointments through the
Campus Placement Centre.
All enquirees will be promptly acknowledged.
DIRECT    FROM    MARS!
THE CAST OF DR. BUNDOLO
INVITES YOU
TO WATCH THEM DO IT ON TV
Get your free tickets at the SUB box office
now for the taping of Thursday, Oct. 16
at CBC, 700 Hamilton Street ,come down
and be a part of the madness.
Then stay home Sunday
nights, beginning
October 12 th, and
watch DR. BUNDOLO
on channel 2/cable 3
at 11.40. TV will never
be the same
STUDENTS!!!
This is your chance to get involved with your AMS.
Applications are now being received for the following positions on
STUDENT' COURT:
Chief Justice — must be in 3rd year Law
Four (4) Judges
Two (2) Alternate Judges
(At least one (1) judge must be enrolled in Law)
Applications are avaialble in SUB 238. Submit them to Marlea Haugen in
SUB 240. Deadline: Friday, Oct. 10, 1980 by 4:30 p.m.
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engineering, accountancy, earth sciences, biology, economics or management science, if you would like to work
with outstanding professionals, this could be for you.
Mobil is a leader in the development of career professionals. Look for our posters on campus in the near future.
If you are looking to the future, now is the time to —
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v. Thursday, October 9,1980
THE    UBYSSEY
Page 3
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SIGHTING OF UFO caused entire UBC team to develop hernias in game on weekend. Oblong spheroid obscured
sun for brief moment before trio of extra-terrestrials emerged to demand world sovereignty. Airborne adjutant
ceded power of attorney to martian cultists while teammates dithered over patriation of constitution and jock itch.
Bizarre ritual ended quickly but UBC rugby team couldn't avoid defeat at hands of Queen's University ruggers. No
limbs were lost in match, though one player found ear missing at half time. Overall losers were martians who now
own polluted planet populated by dissident extremists.
Harcourt slams city council
By CHRIS FULKER
"It's an incredible council ... it
even outdoes Tom Campbell," independent Vancouver mayoralty
candidate Mike Harcourt said to
about 100 people in SUB party
room Wednesday.
"It's our city versus their city,"
runs the Harcourt campaign slogan,
and "their city" is the city of mayor
Jack Volrich and his Non-Partisan
Association council members.
Harcourt, in a speech reminiscent
of civic reform circa 1968-72, said
the NPA "doesn't have the courage
to call themselves Socreds." He
cited the incumbent mayor's preoccupation with civic monuments as
the major fault with the present
council.
' 'I find it difficult to keep up with
the dumb projects; as soon as you
find one they throw another at
you," said Harcourt. He said that
the proposed Transpo '86 centrepiece project of a $65 million
moving sidewalk downtown was
just one example of "dumb projects," and the money could be better spent on housing on the north
side of False Creek, garbage recycling, light rapid transit, and other
"basic necessities."
The environment is a major
plank of Harcourt's platform. He
supports "proper sewage treatment," an end to the dumping of
toxic wastes in the Fraser River, and
a stop to mass spray campaigns
against insects.
The NPA council has
"eliminated delegations to city hall
because they're the wrong kind of
delegations," said Harcourt, stressing that the "lack of democracy" at
city hall is a major issue.
The mayor and council have no
respect for the wishes of the 51.7
per cent of Vancouver voters who
favoured a ward system at the 1978
civic elections, said Harcourt. He
made it clear that one of his first
acts, if elected as mayor, would be
to institute a ward system.
The only people the present
council listens to are the developers,
said Harcourt. "Whatever you
want to put up, Marathon Realty or
Daon, is good with us," is the
NPA's view said Harcourt. An example of this is the new office
tower/convention centre which will
rise to 460 feet, even though the
height restrictions allow a maximum height of 300 feet at present,
he said.
Harcourt said his campaign will
start Oct. 12, with the primary emphasis on getting the eastside vote
out.
U of A shirt
lest en plans
Canadian University Press
EDMONTON — While UBC
students debate the merits of a $2
million Alma Mater Society expansion plan, students at the University
of Alberta learned last week that
their student union lost more than
$300,000 in a single year through
similar plans and poor financial
management.
In addition to the $300,000 loss,
the U of A student council also
made major errors in its 1979-80
budget, resulting in an additional
shortfall of $200,000.
The results of the fiscal
mismanagement left student council
owing the U of A, which acts as a
bank for the council, more than
$400,000 as of March 31, 1980, the
last day of the fiscal year. In March
of 1979 however, the student council had built up a surplus of
$108,000. The overall loss adds up
to half a million dollars.
Student council was told last
week the students' union lost more
than $85,000 on its day to day
operations in 1979-80. It also spent
more than $140,000 on equipment
and renovations, including expenditures on a coffee bar, record
store, theatre and the campus radio
station.
The students' union also made an
$84,000 payment on the student
union building mortgage, for a total
loss of more than $300,000.
But in past years the students'
union has covered its mortgage
payments and capital expenditures
by turning a profit on is day to day
business operations. In 1978-79 it
netted $139,000 on operations.
The 1979-80 capital expenditures,
which included expansion and
renovations to several student
union services, ran $61,000 over
their original $83,000 budget projection.
In additions to cost overruns, a
budget error in revenue calculations
had led council to believe it would
receive $157,000 more revenue than
it finally did.
No final decisions have been
made by council on how to deal
with the massive deficit.
AMS anxious
about NUS
BY HEESOK CHANG
The Alma Mater Society must
play a crucial role in the restructuring of the National Union of
Students," Allan Soltis said
Wednesday.
The AMS external affairs coordinator said UBC is sending six
delegates backed up by a strong
mandate from student council to
the upcoming NUS conference being held in Winnipeg, Oct. 16-19.
The major issues to be discussed
at the conference involve proposals
for major restructuring of NUS'
relations with provincial student
organizations and an increased
membership fee.
Soltis feels it will be a very important conference. "UBC must get involved in the initial restructuring of
the organization," he said. "It's
about time UBC said what it
wanted and cut out the hanky-
panky."
Many large western universities,
including UBC and the University
of Victoria do not belong to NUS.
According to Soltis, one of the concerns of these campuses is alleged
domination of NUS by eastern
universities. The University of
Manitoba has proposed founding a
Students fight pub location
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with groups of people known for it.
The need for a neighborhood pub
was questioned because the only
neighborhood in the area is Totem
Park. And Totem has mostly first-
year students who can't get into the
pub, said AMS vice-presidenUMar-
lea Haugen.
There was also opposition to the
concept of an English style pub.
"Armstrong proposing an English
pub here is either stupid or naive,"
said Runeckles. "They are fine
places, but you can't transplant
them.
"You can't put a quaint front,
fake oak beams, and 'Ye' in front
of the name and call it an English
pub. I wonder what a pub has to do
with an academic institution."
Another major concern was the
loss of green space near MacMillan,
a popular lunchtime area. The
space between the south side centre
and MacMillan would be approximately 30 feet wide, said AMS external affairs coordinator Craig
Brooks.
But many students felt this space
would be shaded most of the time
and research trees would be destroyed.
"Wherever the centre will go on
Main Mall, it will be at the expense
of green space which is a concern
particularly significant to
students," said Runeckle.
But Brooks disagreed. "Only
one-third of the area will be used,
and there are other grassy areas,"
he said.
The forum was held because
there had been no opportunity to
get feedback from students about
the proposal.
Students at the meeting were upset at the lack of information before
the forum was held. Armstrong,
Brooks and Haugen said they
should speak to their student representatives about the problem.
"All that is an excuse," said
Johnstone. "Major issues have to
go to a referendum, and you can't
just rely on the rep, especially in the
summer when no one is here."
When Johnstone attended a
council meeting during the summer
she was under the impression the
site was already approved.
She was worried many students
were not aware of the proposal in
February and the choosing of a site
on April 13. "Communication is really important in our faculty and
council should follow our
example," Johnstone said. "The
land use committee hasn't heard a
thing about the proposal," she said.
western student organization to
counter the problem, he said.
"If more western universities
joined, then there wouldn't be any
eastern domination," said Jean
Kirk, B.C. representative to the
NUS central committee. "As it is
now, B.C., Alberta and the other
western provinces are well
represented. There isn't any real
eastern dominance."
Soltis said there were positive and
negative aspects to joining NUS for
UBC. "The great advantage of
belonging to NUS is that there is an
exchanging of ideas across the
country. Our problem is that we are
so far flung from Ontario and we
have different problems here.
Education is on a provincial level in
B.C."
Kirk said one of the objectives of
the conference would be to rearrange the structure of respresen-
tation in NUS to allow for
smoother work at the national and
provincial levels.
The British Columbia Students'
Federation will also be sending
delegates to the conference. "We're
willing to go to the conference with
an open agenda," BCSF
spokesman Steve Shallhorn said
Wednesday. He also emphasized
the need to re-define the national
and provincial levels of the
organization.
A proposed increase in membership fees will also be discussed at
the conference. The current
membership fee per student is one
dollar a year. The national executive will be proposing an increase of up to four dollars, said
Kirk.
The AMS is planning to hold a
referendum on membership in NUS
this spring. The last referendum
was held four years ago when the
vote was in favor of joining but
quorum was not met. NUS was
founded in 1973.
Although Soltis favors some
aspects of NUS' work, he doesn't
think UBC should join until the
organization is restructured. "We
will be having our input at this conference. It might be better to wait
for restructuring to be established
before joining." Page 4
THE    UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 9,1980
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Make new friends
It must be nice being the only person on campus who really knows what's going on. Len
Clarke, who directs the finances of the Alma
Mater Society, doesn't even need to seek out information like ordinary mortals when he is going
to make a decision about something. All he has
to do is talk to a few friends, particularly if they
know nothing about the situation, and that is all
that need be done.
When Clarke wants to know about the
women's committee, it isn't necessary for him to
find out what services they provide or whether
they are needed. All he has to do is talk to a few
people who don't like the women's committee.
Clarke has been learning this lesson well,
perhaps from AMS president Bruce Armstrong.
Armstrong is the one who put together the plans
for a South side centre because he was told by a
few friends that the students on the South end
of campus desperately wanted it. Yesterday he
finally went to those students for the first time
and found out they didn't want it after all.
Be it also remembered that Clarke and Armstrong tried to set up a media board to control
The Ubyssey and CITR because a few close
friends advised them that no one on campus liked the way they were run. Too bad that neither
The Ubyssey nor CITR were consulted.
The defeat of the budget committee's motion
to strangle the women's committee shows that
students are getting tired of AMS executive decisions that are made with only the most cursory
examination of the issues involved.
The AMS executive has to realize there is
more than one side to any issue. Opposition
should not be simply ignored, but sought out
and listened to. Armstrong and company might
be surprised to know the opinions of their friends
do not necessarily reflect those of everybody else
at UBC.
This tendency to see things from the narrowest possible viewpoint isn't an exclusive
preserve of Clarke and Armstrong. Vice president Marlea Haugen defended the budget motion, saying the women's committee is not considered valuable by women engineering
students.
It is absurd that one of the smallest groups of
women on campus should be cited as an authority on the women's committee.
The committee has been around for some time
now, dealing with women students on a daily
basis, trying to serve them as best it can according to their wishes. Few other campus
organizations can claim so much support from
those they are serving.
There's a good reason for this.
When members of the women's committee
make a decision they don't just ask a few friends.
THE UBYSSEY
October 9, 1980
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the university year by the Alma Mater
Society of the University of B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and not of the AMS or
the university administration. Member, Canadian University Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page
Friday, a weekly commentary and review. The Ubyssey's editorial office is in room 241K of the
Student Union Building. Editorial departments, 228-2301; Advertising, 228-3977.
Editor: Verne McDonald
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Letters
71
Use abuse to win
Quite personally, I don't understand the current uproar about the
"kidnapping" that occured during
the Art's 20 race. As far as I can
see, the use of physical abuse to
gain an advantage over your opponent is simply a logical extension of
the sport.
As in minor league hockey, the
golden age of playing for playing's
own sake has passed and being so, it
is time to move the Art's 20 race into the 20th century.
Being, for the most part, a
generation of spectators, the first
move would be to make the race a
spectator sport. The race must give
the crowd what the crowd wants.
To determine what would really
pull in the people (read money)
simply examine the events after the
race. Which got more attention, the
winning team's time, or the "kidnapping"? Check pages 1 and 9 or
The Ubyssey Oct. 7 to convince
yourself that it was really the
violence that got the people going,
not the race itself.
But the kidnapping of opponents' runners is only the tip of
the excitement iceberg. Snares,
traps and well placed land mines
would insure a greater turnout of
spectators. And instead of giving
each runner a measly baton to
carry, each team would be issued a
baseball bat which the runner could
use to ward off would-be captors
along the route, adding again to the
general excitement of the new race.
As well as modernizing the race
in general, all of this new action
along the course would draw people
away from the finishing area,
previously the single most interesting area for the crowd, and
spread them out along the entire
route so that now, everyone who
competes will be given a chance to
shine.
No, let's not cancel the race, let's
let human nature run its course and
let's keep a good thing going by insuring that the race is not always to
the swift.
Curtis Long
Individual
We would like to correct two
misconceptions that may have
arisen from a letter published in the
Ubyssey. Oct. 7.
Firstly, the letter was not written
by a "medicine spokesman", but
by an individual student: and
secondly the emphasis of the
medical faculty's participation in
the Art's 20 race was not on one
overly competitive team but on
several recreational teams.
John Carr
and 11 others
Awareness scary
Maybe it is just too frightening to
be aware this year. The Middle East
lurches on into madness and
catastophe. The superpowers are insecure, paranoid and warlike.
The U.S. is engaged in a frightening election. The aging leadership
of the U.S.S.R. is rocking with the
Afghan morass, Polish paranoia
and the Dr. Strangelove syndrome.
Flirtations with annihilation.
Closer to home: Canada teeters
on the brink of breaking up. The
breeze from Victoria reeks with
scandal. If all that wasn't enough;
new poisons leap out to attack us
every day.
Do you wonder about asbestos
when you stare at the ceiling during
lectures?
The faint-hearted should avoid
newsprint; video too (remember
microwave radiation). Maybe it
would be wiser to wallow in football, fraternity life, Molsons' born-
again beer and Colombia's
choicest.
Superb
I enjoyed the Modernettes interview (Sept. 12). The photographs,
especially those of Mary Jo, were
superb.
I play their EP often on my
stereo. They are surely the best new
wave band in town. The feeling of
depression in Suicide Club, Celebrity Crackup and Confidential is
driven home strongly in both words
and music.
They do have an ideal although it
is, needless to say, unreachable.
They want to go to Teen City with
"modern kids dressed just right"
and where there's "lot's of fun and
it's all free." Ah, my heart is with
them.
Then, rounding out the record
there's 'Little Girls' and my
favorite cut 'Barbra'. The girl Barbra is such a . . . (demeaning and
inhuman material deleted-Ed.) I
can hum that song all day.
The Modernettes are great. I
hope they have much success.
Charles Slade
52 East Hastings
Then again, if total annihilation
is only months away, it might be
time to evacuate and seek final
salvation in religion or in one last
binge of wanton hedonism. We
could stand where we are and
"rage, rage against the dying of the
light." Who would listen?
While we cower in impotent terror as the gods decide our fate,
there is one thing we could work on.
The only group that UBC students
really constitute a large percentage
of is Vancouver residents.
Now, Vancouver is about to have
a municipal election. The issues are
very basic. Affordable housing for
students and everyone else. Transit
service that would allow you to
leave later than 6:30 for that 8:30
class. Very basic; very important.
So check out the issues and the
candidates. The differences are fairly clear cut. At least we do not have
to choose between "Ronnie and
Jimmy". Look into it. Vote. This is
one time we really do have a chance
to influence the course of events.
On the other hand, what is the oneway fare to Kathmandu these days?
J. R. Harris
Slaving
The Totem Park Residence
Association sponsored a slave day
leg auction on Sept. 30 to raise
funds for the Canadian Cancer
Society in recognition of Terry
Fox's Marathon of Hope.
Each floor in residence was asked
to contribute one first year student
to the auction. The purchased
students were required to serve as a
slave for the buyer for a period of
one day.
In an attempt to generate further
financial support for cancer
research, the Totem Park Residence
Association issues a challenge to
Place Vanier and Gage residences,
undergraduate societies, clubs, varsity teams, and other organizations
on campus to meet or exceed this
donation.
Clearly, we have an excellent opportunity to work together for a
worthy cause.
Totem Park residents Thursday, October 9,1980
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Runner refutes medicine claims of dirty tricks
For some five days now I have
endured the whining and moaning
of various members of the medical
faculty's Arts 20 team, concerning
their failure to complete the race.
I have been approached by some
of the team members themselves
and I have read the sensationalistic
and inaccurate drivel in The
Ubyssey, which has presented exclusively the medicine team's version of all events concerning the
Arts 20 Relay. Now it is time for the
truth.
Firstly, let's clear up some minor
details: Jason Gray was not kidnapped, he was briefly abducted.
Surely you at The Ubyssey know
the difference.
The Oct. 3 Ubyssey claims that at
the time of his abduction Gray was
far ahead of the field. A little investigative reporting would have
revealed that I was no more then
fifteen feet behind Gray at the time.
Gavin Smart claims that Gray
was running at close to four minute
mile pace. That is absurd, the pace
was well off four minutes. Smart
also claims that there are not eight
more fit people (than the medicine
team) on campus. Also absurd, and
there are dozens of athletes who
should tell him that.
The headline in the Oct. 7
Ubyssey states that Gray "fears
gear reprisal" if he goes to the
police and that for this reason he
will not press charges. Firstly there
is no proof whatsoever that the
engineers had anything to do with
the abduction. If Gray is actually in
a position to press charges (implying he knows the identity of his
assailants) then the least he can do
is to clearly state (for the benefit of
the student body) whether the
culprits were engineers, or for that
matter dentists, rowers, or a combination thereof.
Gavin Smart states that one
member of the engineering team admitted to prior knowledge of the
"kidnap". That is a lie. No member
of the team knew anything of it. No
member made such a statement. It
turns out that Smart is basing his
assertion on fourth-hand information, the source of which was alleged to be myself. I never said such a
thing.
In his letter to the editor, Smart
twice implies that engineering
"degenerates" assailed Gray.
If Smart has some information on
this matter, then he too should
cough it up. Otherwise let his
slanderous inuendo cease.
Knife victim responds
Regarding 'RCMP defended* in The Ubyssey Oct. 7.
I find Mr. Fraser's quickness to drag me through the "anti-morals"
mudpuddle somewhat unnerving and his ignorance on the topic completely
comical.
Due to his lack of legalistic insight, Mr. Fraser obviously was unaware
that I had already talked to the RCMP officer in charge of my case and had
informed him of the misquote in The Ubyssey. In connection with my conversation with the authorities, I also received a phone call from The
Ubyssey editor to confirm the fact that my alleged accusations against the
RCMP were indeed unfounded.
Mr. Fraser also tries to make a big mark for himself by exclaiming how
horrendous it was for me to critcize the lack of patrol awareness. This is the
exact antithesis of my original statement.
In giving my story to The Ubyssey, not only did I not mention
anything about shortage of police patrols, I stated that, given the location
of my mishap, no amount of police would have helped as I was attacked
between two secluded buildings. I also stated that there should indeed be
more awareness, but awareness on the part of students, not the police.
Now, Mr. Fraser, concerning my "irresponsible" behavior of not
reporting the crime that occurred upon my person. I would imagine that,
after having issued several fractures about his jaw and nose and severely
pummelling his face in all regions, I would have a hard time proving that
this hapless assailant did indeed attack me and that he did not cut me in
defending himself.
In any case, Mr. Fraser, I don't think you need to concern yourself
with the freedom of the attacker to prey upon the young women, as I personally feel that he does not have the physical capacity to do so, but will
probably think awhile before unleashing his finite wrath on anyone else.
So maybe next time Norm o'l buddy you'll flex your mighty grey cells
a bit and look into the situation before you jump up on a vocal public
pedestal.
Harry Peterson
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In regard to the medicine team's
challenge to race any willing Arts 20
team: There is no point to such a
race. Medicine's concern should not
be with restoring their dented pride
on the track, but rather with getting
to the bottom of the abduction
mystery.
The gears fielded a good
legitimate team. They ran on hell of
a race and beat out a stacked "Judo
club" to take the victory. They
should no more have to race again
then should any other Arts 20 team.
A challenge race will not remove
any feelings of "disgust and
disbelief that anyone has.
Finally let us concern ourselves
with the nature of the medicine
team. Of the eight runners I am well
aquainted with six.
This is a team which not only
contains the vestiges of the infamous cheaters of last years Arts
20 race, the West End Bourgeois
Pigs, but also members of the Rich
mond Kajak Track Club, Vancouver Olympic Club and members
of the current UBC varsity team.
In fact, not two days after the
race I competed against Gavin
Smart, Jason Gray and Dave
McGivern in a Washington crosscountry race. All three were members of the medicine team.
My point is this: virtually all the
runners on the medicine team have
years of competition behind them.
The idea that they trained
specifically for this intramural race,
pinned their "hopes" on it ... of
all races ... is garbage.
What was their point in entering
the race? Would the varsity football
team have to take on the intramural
teams   to   prove   their   prowess?
Hardly. So too the medicine team
had nothing to prove.
However, by continually bragging and mouthing off (Smart calls it
"our confident unabashed
attitude"), this group of talented
runners annoyed other teams that
were out for the race and not the
victory.
Gray's abduction was a shame,
but all the same it was a blessing in
disguise for it allowed the Arts 20 to
be a real race and not a demonstration.
I suggest that the medicine team
go out and run the race again,
alone, and try to beat the engineers'
admirable time of 32:17.1 also suggest that the team as a whole, particularly Gavin Smart, issue an
apology to the engineering team,
whose victory has been belittled, to
the EUS for their slanderous accusations, and to the student body
as a whole for the team's immature
display at the bookstore cairn on
the day of the race.
Hugh Wilson
religious studies
history SFU
member SFU varsity crosscountry
member engineering team
Frat criticizes running ringers
Although I was appalled at the
thought of a runner being abducted
from the Arts 20 course, the
amount of exposure which the
mishap has provided about the top
teams only proves that the Arts 20
race is far from an intramural
event. It seems, after reading the intramural sport handbook provided
in students' course packages, that
intramurals are for those who enjoy
sport but do not compete at the
varsity level. The Arts 20 race does
not exemplify this ideal in the least.
Every member of the U.B.C.
cross-country team participated as a
member of one of the top teams in
the race. Situated at the start of the
final leg, I witnessed Steve Gleave
(a U.B.C. cross-country runner)
pass the baton to Ken Black (a
U.B.C. 800 meter and crosscountry runner) in the name of the
Judo team.
Jason Gray, the medicine team
leadoff runner who was kidnapped
from the course, is also on the
U.B.C. track and cross-country
team. My point is that he should
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not have been on the course in the
first place.
The winning team, engineering,
will surely not respond to the
medicine team's challenge because
their lead-off runner Hugh Wilson
may not be available to compete.
It seems to me that the engineering, Judo, and medicine teams have
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Poet seeks thoughtful, emotional art
Page Friday visited Robin Blaser at
his home in Kitsilano recently. The walls
are covered with paintings and
photographs associated with his 35
years of writing. When Page Friday
returned to take some pictures, Blaser
recounted some of the stories behind
the many objects in the house.
Blaser comes from the American midwest, and later San Francisco. He is a
slow poet, writing only a few poems a
year. His poetry has a transcendent
quality to it, disembodied from politics
and personalities.
Blaser is a professor at Simon Fraser
University. His works include The Moth
Poem, Image-nations 1-12,and TheCol-
lected Books of Jack Spicer, which he
edited. He is currently writing a book
about Bach.
By Eric Eggertson
Page Friday — I think there is a tendency,
maybe it's just a lazy streak, to take local
writers for granted. In an argument we'll
stand up for them, but how many people actually read British Columbian or Canadian
writers?
Robin Blaser — Yes, there is a hesitation
to get hold of the books and actually read
them, but when you find somebody really interesting the opposite is true. You have to
read everything. There is something really
exciting about coming to understand the
movement of an author's thought and the
imaginative form.
I've been working laboriously on an essay
for Talonbooks' Selected George Bowering. I
had read George of course, but I decided to
really follow through and find out what that
man's been doing for a very active literary life
extending over twenty years. It's a very illuminating business because I went from
what are fine early poems to the extraordinary size of a work — art as a work which is
both emotional and thoughtful.
I like to do that with any author who draws
my attention. It can be an old author like
William Blake, whose every word I've read.
Or suddenly it is a peer, a contemporary.
What I was going to say about Bowering,
as I reviewed the twenty years of his work,
was wrong, a little silly, and certainly
rhetorical. So I had to set myself several
tasks: not only did I follow the development
of the man's work, but then I had to go
backward and find out what he encounters.
It's the old business of Dante Choosing Virgil
to guide him.
This kind of thing is very real to the writer.
One of the things that he obviously encounters is other writers. One thing I had to
know, and have some assurance that I
understood, was the way in which Bowering
encountered Canadian writing.
It's easy to say he has a strong relation to
such American writers as Charles Olson.
Jack Spicer, and Robert Creeley. But that
doesn't help us with seeing him in a Canadian context.
I really began to get a picture of him not
only working from the American stream, but
also entering with great seriousness into the
terms of Canadian writing and thought. And
BLASER . . . dealing with the 20th century.
it was very exciting. So I wound up spending
the entire summer doing an exhausting
reading of Canadian literature, from the
beginning to George Bowering. It nearly killed me, but it was marvellous.
I've been an immigrant for twelve years, a
Canadian citizen for over six, and it was time
that I seriously took on that kind of literacy.
That doesn't mean I hadn't read a lot of stuff,
but I'd done it bit by bit —
PF — Piecemeal.
Blaser — Yes. And to finally go out and
do the job was interesting.
PF — Did you do that with American
literature too?
Blaser — Oh, I've always done that with
American.
My poetic tradition began with Shelley,
Keats, a little of the magic balladry of Coleridge, Longfellow . . . and if I got any
modern poetry at all it was Vachel Lindsay.
Then I came wandering out of that and by
some marvellous chance I wound up knowing
Robert Duncan and Jack Spicer. At that
point the three of us were involved in trying
to encounter the American modern tradition.
The modern movement
is now specifically
a Canadian movement       /
So we were busy trying to deal with Pound
and Williams, and it was just wild. It's taken
me years just to gat through that body of
work.
Then I came up into Canada. There is not
only the American tradition at work in
Canada, but the whole Canadian thing going.
The poetry we were hearing in the Vancouver poetry centre series — great poets
like Duncan and Creeley, for example - what
we heard was the marvellous settling of their
achievement.
In contrast to that, what I began hearing in
Canadian writing was a kind of news. It
seemed to me that what was new — this is in
no way a denegration of my beloved Duncan
and Creeley — but that achievement is so
large and so there as something worked with
in Canadian writing, that I began to
recognize an actual push of the new. In my
own sense the modern movement is now
specifically a Canadian movement.
I have a tremendous interest in the writers
here in Vancouver, where my loyalties are
profound — Brian Fawcett, Daphne Marlatt,
George (Bowering), and Pierre Coupey, for
example. But immediately I move outward
and find bpNichol, whose entire works I've
read over and over again. Then there's McCaffrey. And I decided to come to terms with
Peggy Atwood for the first time.
I also discovered Dennis Lee, whose book
Savage Fields argues about a specific condition for the writer in modern terms, where
the language breaks down, and we are lost in
it, and as a matter of fact, implicated in the
worst aspects of the language, so that he can
describe for himself a five year period where
he had an actual revulsion to writing. Then
he takes up what I think are two spendidly
important books for the 20th century concern — (Michael) Ondaatje's Collected
Works of Billy the Kid, and (Leonard)
Cohen's Beautiful Losers.
That whole business of trying to comes to
terms with things ... If you've given
yourself to the twentieth century, you can
like or dislike it, but in some way or another
you've got to come to terms with it. And the
vast effort of doing that means the labor of
knowing the authors of our condition. And
those authors are always trying to find the
way through, whether they do it by way of
vision, or argument, or very badly mistaken
politics.
PF — What about someone writing in a
small town, where there isn't much modern
writing coming their way?
Blaser — Well, the city will tend to tie you
more to the 20th century. And if you've loved
poetry as a child, you're likely to come from a
tradition of magnificent fantasy and 19th
century poetic traditions. Those seem to hold
a power that belongs to what people have
thought of as culture.
The 20th century stuff has been very hard
to handle, and as a consequence very much
ignored. A great part of it is a violent,
deconstructive approach to the cultural grid
of meaning. And you can get away with ignoring it only so long.
Our own art gallery, which is now moving
into a completely new period, does not have
a permanent collection of good modernist,
20th century stuff. So you'll have whole
generations coming up in Vancouver that
have no experience of it, until they go
abroad, or go to some damn college where
there's a professor jabbering on about it. It's
as though you had not thought in your own
century, that you'd pretended to all kinds of
things.
There is a reality to conserving language,
that is, to honor language in a cultural condition that doesn't know it does anything other
than to transparently manipulate the world.
Which is of course not what it does at all. It's
a constant operative principle that actually
composes our meaning and the possibility of
getting through. But that's hard stuff to handle.
PF — You make it sound as confusing for
the writer as it is for the reader. How do
writers stay on an even keel?
/ think modern
writing is trying to find
out the vitality of the truth
Blaser — George Bowering actually
breaks his work at one point, with his book
Autobiology, in order to pick up a sense of
word order and syntax that allows the
language to compose rather than always to
refer to something. What in the hell is there
to refer to? All the great ideas have fallen like
kites with big holes in them. So everybody is
in this thing trying to work the composition.
When George finished Autobiology he moved to Curious, a book of portraits of writers
-some marvellously cruel, including the one
about me. The reason for that, it would seem
to me, is that the moment you're working
with a disturbed syntax, and a composition
which is not referential to something like the
past, you face the problem of tying the
human and the personal back in. What better
way to do that than to write a portrait? If I'm
trying to get in touch with things, I'm likely to
find myself very carefully describing you
across the table to make sure that I know we
haven't sailed out the fucking window.
PF — Are people hesitant about modern
writing because it's alienated?
Blaser — I don't think modern writing is
alienated, I think modern writing is making
an effort to find out the vitality of the truth.
And the people who say they are not
alienated are living out of this century, and
ain't got here yet. They're punishing
everybody else, including the artist.
PF — Then it's the people who are doing
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THE    UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 9,1980
Med schools face cuts, closures
WINNIPEG (CUP) — Canada's
provincial health ministers agreed
last week to consider cutting back
medical school enrollments and
closing smaller schools in order to
head off further increases in
medicare costs.
But there is still an acute shortage
of doctors in such specialties as
anesthesia, opthamology,
psychiatry, and radiotherapy, said
Dr. Allan Cox, Association of
Medical Colleges president.
Cutting back enrollments is not
the solution to provincial medical
budgetary problems, said Dr. Doug
Waugh, AOMC executive director
and member of the federal government's physician manpower committee.
The provincial health ministers
met in Winnipeg last week to
discuss the supply and demand for
doctors, nurses, and other health
workers. Manitoba health minister
Bud Sherman said family practitioners and other specialists are so
numerous they have put a strain on
provincial health budgets.
"It is an interesting truism in the
health business that if you provide
another doctor you'll automatically
get an increase in public demand
(for medical care)," Sherman said.
"It costs tens of thousands of
dollars to educate a doctor. If there
are too many of them ... you either
get treadmill medicine as they try to
push through more patients or else
they start to extrabiU," he said.
To end the surplus, as Sherman
sees it, medical schools may have to
cut down on their admissions and
perhaps close some smaller schools.
The medical schools would
"react vigorously" if the provincial
governments followed through with
closing schools and forcing admission cuts, Waugh said.
"If the provinces want to save
money by having less doctors, cutting enrollments is not the
solution," he said.
Waugh suggested the governments look at ending the licensing
of doctors who graduate in other
countries and practice in Canada.
But he admitted, that these "immigrant doctors" usually fill positions that Canadian doctors turn
down. To get Canadian doctors to
take these positions would require
incentive from the government, he
said.
Waugh also doubted the accuracy
of figures used by the provincial
health ministers to arrive at their
conclusions.
"They are making these decisions
on completely inaccurate figures "
Waugh said.
The figures just look at the
number of doctors without analysing how they practice, what hours
they work, and their pace of work,
he said.
Forecasts predict there will be a
much greater need for doctors in
the next decade when the number of
people over the age of 65 will double, Waugh said.
(       'Birdwatch       )
The UBC hockey team opens
their 1980-81 season tonight with an
international exhibition game
against Seibu of Japan.
Back this year for the 'Birds are
league scoring leaders Rob Jones
and Jim McLaughlin. Goalie Ron
Paterson is also back after a year
with the national Olympic team.
•
The women's field hockey team
will be travelling to Calgary to play
in the second of three cumulative
point tournaments. After finishing
the first tournament undefeated the
Thunderettes   are   the   heavy
favorites this weekend.
•
The football team will travel to
Winnipeg on Saturday in an attempt to get back on the winning
track.
After last weekend's loss to Edmonton, any further losses by the
'Birds will eliminate them from
post-season play.
Language our source of reality
From page 7
the censoring that haven't tried to deal with
the things that modern writers have tried to.
do. They haven't worried about what to do
with the word fuck because it doesn't come
up in their situation?
Blaser — And now the word fuck has
gone out. You can never use it. It's been
thrown around so much that now it's meaningless.
PF — Yet people are still being offended
by it.
Blaser — I don't know why. Actually I
rather enjoy using those lovely words like fornication. They seem to really have a zap to
them that they didn't have before. The four-
letter word has now been used to the point
that no one cares any more. They become
like exclamation points rather than meaningful expressions. The whole business of
teasing the bourgeois has been going on for
so long, and it doesn't do any good. I don't
think that kind of lingo helps any more.
With the extreme sexual content in some
of the writing, I think if one looks at it very
carefully, they'll see that it has tried to reopen meaning rather than anything else. The
trouble with that is that the tremendous overemphasis on sex gets to be a bore, like
everything else that becomes repeated, it
doesn't matter what your range of form is.
The form repeats and so it goes on and on
and on.
PF — Okay, you have the poet, and then
there's the audience. You said to me before
the interview that there's not much of an audience in Vancouver, not enough to support
a large group of writers anyway.
Blaser — Broadly speaking, the audience
isn't there. There are the people like you and
the people here in town who actually read
me, and who read other poets and so on. But
it's very small and it tends to be outside the
culture grid — it's a pocket. As for the
cultural range, there's no audience.
With the large number of people who have
gone to the Vancouver poetry centre reading
series, I know that a great number of them
were there for the sensational quality of the
public event. And thafs fine, I have nothing
against it. But I know that it still does not
represent any great change in the peculiar ef-
facement of art in the 20th century — art just
isn't there for so many people.
PF — So having eight or nine hundred
people coming to the readings —
Blaser — Has been lovely, ifs exciting,
wonderful.
PF - But.
Blaser — But I don't think it will change a
thing. The public event of it was very important, and that may be of real use to poetry,
but no, ifs not changed the wide sense of it.
PF — And the audience?
Blaser — Writers have a huge range of
what they think of as an audience. And that
will often mean that you're going to let the
audience ride and hope there is one, and as
you write it is actually something that is
speaking to you. So ifs not the audience
you're writing to, but something thafs coming into the poem. I know Bowering has that
experience, and Jack Spicer worked from
that  methodology.   It  is  not  that  you're
always trying to push it to an audience, but
rather that you're as best you can finding
that mode of language in which the language
is the operative means of tying inside and
outside together, getting some kind of
balance going. And it depends on the kind of
brain you've got and the kind of range of experience you have, how big that thing is.
The poetry that is listened to with the most
the audience is going to get you into the
mess of tryng to sell to some lousy
magazines.
There are some magazines around which
publish some writers that you may admire.
And you may think that you'd like to stand
up with them, insofar as those magazines are
read by anyone except other poets. So if
they come in here from Red Deer they should
PENSIVE POET.
comfort is the lyric voice, where the person
listening can be very sure that the I of the
poem and all the things around it are carefully controlled by the I.
Now when it is undertaken to attack that I
as not being the center of meaning, then you
get some very peculiar and disturbed things,
and the audience finds it very uneasy
because you don't have the control of the I
imposing himself and his feelings upon
everyone. Your feeling doesn't matter a
damn, laid all over somebody. If I think that
tree is gorgeous, it isn't very interesting for
me to say, thafs a gorgeous tree, I have to
make that tree stay in there somehow. Thafs
an old Poundian principle, and thafs the
issue.
PF — So who do young writers who just
moved here from Red Deer speak of?
Blaser — They go to the other writers that
interest them. To worry about trying to go to
. . not sentimental.
find some other writers, and come to read
poetry well, and come to have some measure
of what it is thafs messing up their language.
Are they overwriting? Are they constantly
adding language that sounds good and looks
good, but only means gobbledy-gook? Or
have they really put themselves to learning
what it means to speak inside poetry, which
is a language that composes the real.
If there's any reality ifs composed in
poetry, it isn't composed in some other
thing. Now that means that poetry is always,
in some crass way, belonging to a world
beyond necessity. If you're starving to death
you don't care about poetry. When you get
necessity at the level of the Russian prison
camps, where the bodily energy is so low,
poetry doesn't mean anything. And there are
millions in the world in that position.
But ifs a mindblower to come to a rich
country, or to grow up in a rich country as
you and I have, and find that poetry isn't
there anyway, when people really don't have
anything else to do except maybe take a little
interest in it.
My closest inner circle, their view of me
can be summarized in one quotation, How
come your personality is so much more interesting that your poetry? Well, what have I
got investd in those little books of poems
over all these thirty-five years? What does
that say? I can't give in to that. Because it
makes it too easy on people. It makes things
into a sensational ego trip where you're the
audience, and you don't have to look at the
language and try to figure out what the hell
I'm trying to do, what I've encountered,
what I've tried to deal with, and what I've
composed. I can't do anything about that. I
can be sad about jt, but I'm sure as fuck not
going to be sentimental about it, and I'm going to be tough.
So you take a day a week — this is for
young writers and old, ones like me — and
you write letters to people who have fought
well, and marvellously, and spoken to you.
And when they write back to you, you write
again, because thafs all the fucking audience you're going to get.
The composition of your poetry is not
always the reduction to a humanism that is
no longer true. If you're stuck in humanism,
then you're constantly at the reductive limitation of what human nature is, what manhood
is. And thafs fine, I think you can go along
with that for a long time, but my god, look at
the disappointment on the faces of those
people when they come to die. They haven't
got anything there.
There has been an anti-perspectival look in
art throughout the whole 20th century. If you
want to try to find where the 20th century
thing began, where the anti-perspectival
started, one good place to start is about 1907
with Picasso where you begin to break down
the surface. You no longer can get through
the canvas into another realm of meaning
that is the ideal of the west, you're stopped
at the canvas. You're caught in the medium
itself, and thafs rather like whafs happened
with the language. Since all the ideas that
had come before weren't holding true in the
terror of the 20th century, you suddenly had
an art that stopped you and didn't let you
escape the truth by going off into a gorgeous
field out there on the other side of the canvas. And much of modern poetry doesn't
give you a window. You have to work as
hard as the poet worked in order to get
anything going, like the image of the
possibility of joy or happiness. And all of the
great poets work for that. Thafs the truth of
poetry, ifs laughter. But the work of that
can't be an idealization. So the 20th century
arts have got you caught, you're blind inside
of them, working as hard as the poet has, to
even find that moment when you can have a
good joke.
And thafs a little bit of work on the part of
the audience. I don't see why a writer should
worry about the audience. I think the audience ought to worry about whether or not
they can read, and then there would by an
audience and we wouldn't have to worry
about the whole goddam subject. Thursday, October 9,1980
THE    UBYSSEY
Page 9
Retreat off as frosh fail to show
By MARK LEIREN-YOUNG
The controversial Camp
Elphinstone frosh retreat was
cancelled because of the lack of
students registered for it, the program assistant for the alumni
association said Wednesday.
"There weren't enough people
signed up for it to make it feasible
to go ahead with it," said Maureen
Burns.
The recent postal strike was one
reason given for the lack of student
response. "A lot of people hadn't
heard of it because they hadn't gotten notification in the mail," said
Burns.
"We did a telephone campaign
late last week and people said they
Alberta students
fail literacy test
EDMONTON (CUP) — Alberta
university students may have had
$100 million in scholarships
showered upon them, but few will
be able to take advantage of them if
first year English results are any indication.
Over half the students who took
the University of Alberta writing
competence test this fall failed. The
University of Calgary had similar
results last year.
The test was written by 570 first
year students during registration
week. Less than 48 per cent of them
passed.
Larry McKill, chairman of the U
of A committee on testing and
remediation, said he was not surprised by the results because similar
figures were collected in a study last
year.
Students had to do exceptionally
poorly in spelling and punctuation
in order to fail because they were
de-emphasized in marking, McKill
said.
But there were many "stupid"
mistakes. The word "separate" was
spelled incorrectly more than 200
times even though it was spelled out
in the question, said McKill. "It is
pretty poor if you can't copy off the
sheet," he said.
It is a serious problem, McKill
said, but he hesitated to lay the
blame on high school teachers and
students. The problem starts in
grade one when you have educators
who argue "let them write — spelling and grammar are just
cosmetic," he said.
Bad writing habits are propagated by those in the media who
use substandard English, said
McKill.
The test was in two parts: multiple choice questions and an essay.
The essay was graded for logical
arguments, appropriate explanations, clear organization, well-
constructed paragraphs and
sentences, and accuracy in grammar, word use, punctuation and
spelling.
had either not received it, or just
received it."
The student affairs committee
plans to compensate for the
cancellation of the retreat with an
on-campus conference sometime in
February.
Burns said she doesn't really expect the on-campus conference to
be very effective since it will be offered so late in the winter session.
The conference was primarily held
just to offer continuity, she said.
"Probably one of our main problems was having it this weekend
because it's Thanksgiving weekend
and a lot of kids wanted to go home
then, but it was the only weekend
we could get the camp," said
Burns.
The conference won't necessarily
take the same format as the retreat
would have, Burns said.
"When you consider that most of
the people that would be going were
students, it's funny that people
wouldn't be aware of what's going
on, even with the mail strike and
everything," said arts rep Mark
Crawford. He had opposed the
original retreat.
"It seemed like the net reason for
having it (the off-campus retreat)
was feeble, just as the reason for
cancelling it was feeble," he said.
Crawford was concerned that the
frosh retreat was helping to restore
elitism on campus and added, "I'm
not exactly heartbroken that it was
cancelled."
"I'm really disappointed because
I think it's a really excellent thing,
but it was cancelled because of circumstances beyond our control,"
said Marlea Haugen, Alma Mater
Society vice president.
The on-campus conference will
give students a background for the
retreat style, she said.
"We'll invite people from the
university and student council to explain how the campus works," said
Haugen. "I don't think it will be
nearly as useful as the frosh retreat
would be but we'd still like to give it
a try."
There will be a retreat next year,
Haugen said. The costs for the on-
campus retreat will be "absolutely
minimal," she said.
MOTHERHOOD issues are relevant, socially conscious concerns for this
elitist group as they listen to crazed, white-haired fanatic lecture on family
law and paternity suits. Although proof of fatherhood was irrevelant in
case, it was decided father could not be found due to abnormally high con-
— eric aggartson photo
centration of lead in unwed mother's (at right) blood. Woman and her child
have been waiting for bus outside main library for several years, but as we
all know, bus service is erratic on campus. Arrested for loitering in 1978,
woman currently faces charges of vagrancy and child neglect.
Athlete to take intramurals to court
By GLEN SANFORD
A UBC student who had two
teeth severely chipped during an intramural soccer game is really hurting because the dental costs are at
least $400.
Bankruptcy denied
HAMILTION (CUP) — Despite reports in the commercial press,
McMaster University claims it is not on the verge of bankruptcy.
"McMaster is not facing bankruptcy, nor was such a possibility for
McMaster discussed at the board of governors meeting," said vice president academic John MacFarlane.
Canadian Press reported Sept. 19 that McMaster president Alvin Lee
warned the university's board of governors of the impending disaster. MacFarlane confirmed the Canadian Press report that the university has
budgeted for a $700,000 deficit but said the university is trying to prevent
this situation.
"If a deficit of this size occurs, and we are working hard to see that
this does not happen, the surplus remaining will be $445,000. While this remaining surplus is small in comparison with an operating budget of $70
million, we are not bankrupt," he said.
A candidate for a senior administrative position in the university
withdrew his application when he heard of the possibility of bankruptcy,
said MacFarlane.
"Bankruptcy is a tough word to define. Big auto industries have enormous deficits but they are not bankrupt," he said.
Cutbacks will be made to meet the university's reduced budget but
MacFarlane said these cuts are necessary.
"It hurts to do so but the steps are necessary to remain financially solvent," he said.
According to Canadian Press, Lee said $2.38 million have been trimmed from the budget in the last two years.
Bruce Cheng, commerce 4, is taking intramurals to students court in
an effort to get his bill paid for.
Cheng said Tuesday he is very
upset with intramurals for not providing participants with insurance
and is particularily angry that intramurals failed to tell him he was
not protected by insurance.
"They should at least inform
students they aren't covered by insurance. They never told me and
now it's too late. I'm being stuck
with a $400 bill," he said.
He said he's surprised intramurals does not provide insurance, but added, "Their hands
are tied. They don't have enough
money."
"But even though they don't
have enough money, they should
offer optional insurance which
students can buy for themselves,"
he said.
Allan Soltis, Alma Mater Society
external affairs coordinator, said
students council will look into the
situation.
"It's a very serious problem. The
undergrad societies don't know
what the hell's going on. They've
just found out they're not covered
for dental insurance or emergency
ambulance or anything like that,"
he said.
Cheng's accident occured when
the commerce soccer team faced the
engineers Oct. 1. Cheng's team had
just scored a goal when his mouth
collided with an engineer's
shoulder.
Cheng was rushed to hospital,
where he was provided with
painkillers and the name of a dental
specialist who could give him advice. He was told he needed root
canal work and two front teeth
crowned.
"It would cost me more than
$1,000 off campus, but luckily I can
get it done by the dentistry faculty
at UBC for $400," Cheng said.
But, he added, "Any unexpected
expenses like that really hurt
students."
Cheng originally planned to sue
the university for costs, but has
since decided to simply take intramurals to students' court.
Rag refused
CALGARY (CUP) — Two
printers here refused to print the
University of Calgary engineering newspaper because of alleged
obscene and pornographic
material.
Two press runs of the Esswipe
were done, one completely,
when they were halted because
the staff refused to print the
paper.
Al Hill, news manager of
North Hill News, felt that "the
content was really obscene. I
don't believe in printing material
like this."
Jerry   DeHeer,   manager  of
Herald Printers in Lethbridge,
said, "every printer in the country would be very hesitant to
print something like that."
Perry Graphics, a company
that also refused to print the Ess-
wipe originally, has now agreed
to do the job. The original objection was the fear of libel.
Owner Al Perry agreed to
print the paper when he learned
the Calgary Sun had no objections to the Esswipe parody issue, the Calgary Scum.
Perry warns, however, that he
has not actually seen the paper
and that he "still reserves the
right not to print it." Page 10
THE   UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 9,1980
'Tween classes
TODAY
LE CLUB FRANCAIS
General  meeting,  noon.  International  Houae
lounge.
ECONOMICS DEPT.
A Debate on the Conethution: Aftermath of the
Quebec  referendum,   lecture  by  Leon  Dion,
noon, Buch. 104.
PRE-DENTAL SOC
Dr. Yeo apeaka on admiaaiona to dental echoob),
noon, IRC 1.
OAY PEOPLE OF UBC
Maurice Flood apeaka on the hiatory of the Gay
People of UBC, noon, SUB 12S.
UNIVERSITY LECTURES COMMITTEE
Robert Langbaum of UVic apeaka on Worda-
worth and Modem Literature, noon, Buch. 205.
AMNESTY UBC
Letter writing workshop, noon, SUB 224.
DEBATING SOC
Training seeeion, noon, Buch. 204.
BALLET SOC
General meeting, noon, Buch. 202.
TOASTMASTERS
Humoroua speech contest, 7:30 p.m.,
278.
INTRAMURALS
Women's novefry swim meet, noon,
centra.
INTERNATIONAL HOUSE
German conversetion night, 7:30 p.m., gate 4,
International House.
BAHA'I CLUB
Fireside, 1 p.m., SUB 212A.
CHINESE STUDENTS' ASSN.
Several volunteers needed, drop by noon to 1:30
p.m. any weak day, SUB 236.
, MacMillan
aquatic
CAMPUS CRUSADE FOR CHRIST
Topic: Who ia the holy spirit? noon. SUB 206.
LSLAP
Free legal advice from UBC law atudents, noon,
SUB 111.
FRIDAY
PC CLUB
General meeting, noon. SUB 111.
LE CLUB FRANCAIS
General  meeting,   noon.   International  Houae
lounge.
LUTHERAN CAMPUS CENTRE
TGIF Happy Hour, 4:30 p.m., Lutheran Campus
Centre.
TGIF gym activitiee. 2:40 p.m., Lutheran Campus Centre.
OAY PEOPLE OF UBC
Organizational meeting, noon, SUB 115.
DEBATING SOC
General meeting, noon, SUB 215.
BALLET SOC
Jazz dance claea, noon. Gage auditorium.
ROCKERS CO-OP
General meeting, noon, SUB 206. For more information call Mark or Roman at 228-5446.
ECONOMICS DEPARTMENT
Lecture by Leon Dion, 7:X p.m., Buch. 104.
INTRAMURALS
Last day to register for women's Super Stars
competition, WMG 203.
Turkey Trot, noon, Maclnnea field.
AMS WOMEN'S COMMITTEE
Rape Relief presentation on Transition House
and incest, noon, SUB 130.
SKYDIVING CLUB
General meeting, noon, SUB 213.
Science bzzr garden, 4 p.m., SUB 207-209.
SATURDAY
CVC
Gym night, 8:30 p.m., winter sporta complex,
gyms B and E.
TUESDAY
PEUS
P.E. Week begins:
Granola bar sales, noon, outside SUB.
Cardiovascular (linen testing, 11 a.m., S.W.
comer of SUB.
LSM
Dinner and session II in Liturgy and Life aeries:
"Prayers" with Jim Cruikshank, 6 p.m., Lutheran Campue Centre.
EL CIRCULO
Classical guitar concert, noon. Music 113.
PRE-MED SOCIETY
Dr. Boggie speaks on admissions, noon, IRC 1.
Members only.
ISMAILI STUDENT ASSOCIATION
Slide show: Ismeiha in Asia, 6 p.m., 717 W. Pender, council office.
WEDNESDAY
COMMITTEE AGAINST RACIST AND
FASCIST VIOLENCE
Comrade Hardial Bains speaks, noon, SUB 213.
PEUS
P.E. Week continues. Fitness centre d"~-,o,
noon, downstairs aquatic centre. Dunk tank,
noon, outside SUB.
Eye* have if
at Crane
Crane Library needs your eyes.
If you have some time to spare,
the library for the blind next to
Brock Hall needs you to read books
into a tape recorder.
Polish up your radio announcer's
voice and drop down there. Crane
has a constant need for people who
like to move their lips when they
read.
PC weak
So, you think you're fit.
Prove it.
Just try and maintain enough
stamina to withstand all the activities of the first annual PE week.
Wince your way through a cardiovascular fitness test, wrestle
through the human motor performance test, nod through a fitness
information booth, or simply survive the Buchanan fitness centre
demonstration.
If all that doesn't leave you
breathless, you can try and get
together an eight member team for
Hot flashes
PE week's grand finale; the inner
tube race. Only the first ten teams
to enter will be accepted, so jog
over to the War Memorial Gym to
register.
Once you've done all that, treat
yourself to a granola bar, decal or
button to support the United Way.
PE week begins Tuesday, Watch
'Tween Classes for more details.
dya mean, I'm not funny? Why
don't you go to the Toastmasters
humourous speech contest today at
7:30 p.m. in MacMillan 278 and
learn how to be a pro like me? And
shut up, wise guy. You're not so
funny either.
Spee€hle*»
Hello there ladies and germs, ah
ha ha ha. Pretty funny huh? Take
my speech, pleasel Ha ha ha ha.
But seriously, folks, I know a
man who is sooooo fat. . . whad-
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6 — Coming Events
25 — Instruction
Ecumenical
Thanksgiving Service
8 U.B.C. area congregations
and groups participating
11:00 a.m.
SUNDAY
OCTOBER 12, 1980
at
University Hill United Church
5375 University Blvd.
STUDY GROUP for students of the
URBANT1A BOOK meets weekly Wednesday nights. Cell William, 7364068.
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Clubs develop personality
If the university is to be more
than just classes and assignments,
then it must provide the student
with a total learning environment.
It must encourage social adjustment, provide the student with a
sense of belonging, as well as
teaching academics.
There is no better way to
develop the total personality than
for a student to join a club or
organization! Realizing this, the
AMS sponsored the leadership conference at Camp Elphinstone to
help UBC club executive improve
their clubs.
All campus club executives were
invited by the AMS to come to the
camp to learn and share with other
executives. There were also senior
campus administrators, alumni and
guest speakers present to contribute
their ideas regarding the improvement of our clubs.
One of the best workshops tackled the questions of: 1. Why people
participate in clubs? 2. Why people
remain in clubs? 3. What are some
of the barriers to joining a club, and
4. What are some of the unpleasant
experiences that would lead people
to quit a club?
In this work session those attending the conference were divided into four groups, and each group
brainstormed on one of the above
questions. Afterwards, the lists of
ideas were shared.
The key reasons for why people
participate in clubs are: for personal development, for socializing,
and for a common interest. People
remain in clubs because of friends,
facilities, and self-improvement.
Lack of organization, communication, and most of all unfulfilled objectives (even if the objective is as
vague as having fun) lead people to
drop out of a club. The barriers to
joining, fell into two main
categories: personal constraints and
organizational problems in the club
itself.
The leadership conference was an
excellent opportunity to learn from,
and share with other members of
the campus community. I only wish
that every club or organization on
campus had sent at least one
representative to the camp.
Cecilia Karchewski
UBC dance club
Brooks needs editor
Armadillos
At last, a campus organization which devotes itself to the
plight of the armadillo. The
Friends of the Armadillo are
sincere in their intentions. It is
not another capitalistic venture
hiding behind the guise of a
charitable organization.
As you read this letter, an armadillo somewhere is going to
bed hungry, wondering where
his next meal will come from.
The Friends of the Armadillo
want to change this. I say,
"Hats off!" to the Friends of
the Armadillo. Keep up the
good work fellow Armadillo's.
Angus Smith
arts 2
It seems that Craig Brooks has
more than a few complaints about
The Ubyssey's "sensationalist and
inaccurate reporting" in his letter
of Oct. 3. If The Ubyssey's wretched reporting is Mr. Brooks' complaint, then his own wretched
writing is mine.
His entire article is composed of
run-on, poorly constructed,
ungrammatical sentences. One
might accept such writing from an
English 100 student; from a "director of administration" it is inexcusable.
It   matters   not   whether   Mr.
Brooks' complaints are valid — he
loses all credibility he may nave nw
as soon as one begins to read his ar
ticle. I am not suggesting for a
minute that everybody be proficient
in the use of the English language.
But perhaps in the future (and he
promises that his prolific career is
not yet finished), Mr. Brooks could
have his letters edited before they
are published. Possibly then the
reader could take him seriously.
C. McEachran
arts 3
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Thursday, October 9,1980
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