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The Ubyssey Nov 22, 1979

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PRETENDING TENNIS BALL is provincial government, administration
vice-president Erich Vogt shows pent-up frustration at ministry that has
forced cutbacks, imposed research park, created inequalities for campus
women and caused tuition increases with vicious cut at ball. He missed.
SRA postpones voting
Student politicians voted to
postpone a referendum on changes
to the Alma Mater Society constitution Wednesday night.
The referendum, scheduled for
next week, will not be held until the
AMS lawyer submits a written opinion on the legality of the vote to
the student representative assembly.
The proposed referendum does
not satisfy the societies act and is
possibly not legal, said law
representative Arlene Francis.
"We're wasting our money and
our time, especially our time, on
this thing," she said.
But science representative Craig
Brooks said the postponement is
just a move by some SRA members
to stall the referendum.
"This  is just  another delaying
tactic on the part of some SRA
members who don't wish to find
out what the students think of the
new constitution," he said.
The proposed constitution is
poorly drafted and the authors have
no vision of student government,
charged Dave Coulson, substituting
for representative Glenn Wong.
Coulson said the referendum
should be postponed at least until
January to give SRA members time
to think about the vote.
"It's like a marriage. If it's good,
it'll wait," he said.
The proposed constitution offers
little hope of any real change within
the society, said AMS external affairs officer Valgeet Johl.
"I can't buy the fact that a hell of
a lot is going to change," she said.
Report hits faculty
A UBC presidential committee
has endorsed a large number of
student recommendations to improve the operation of the science
Anne Gardner, a former science
undergraduate society president, is
to be split
Pat McGeer will head a new ministry of science, technology and universities, sources in Victoria say.
The announcement, expected to
be made by premier Bill Bennett
Friday, means the current education ministry held by McGeer will
be divided into two separate portfolios, with McGeer taking the
post-secondary post.
It was not immediately known
who Bennett would announce to
head the elementary and secondary
education ministry. Vancouver
South MLA Peter Hyndman has
said he is interested in an education
portfolio and "would gladly accept
if offered."
The expected move is a major
concession to McGeer, who has
generally ignored the education
ministry with the exception of the
McGeer has been holding both
ihe education and science and technology minisiries.
UBC administration president
Doug Kenny said "time will only
determine" if the move is beneficial.
claiming victory in her recent fight
to improve academic counselling
for science students and establish
guidelines for student evaluation of
courses and teaching and for the use
and distributon of those results.
Gardner, who made the student
recommendations to the committee
last year, said: "The big points we
brought up were the counselling
things. The course and teaching
evaluations will also make things
"Many departments do not make
teaching evaluations and it's been a
cause of complaints. One would
hope these established guidelines
would help."
She said she is also satisfied with
the committee's decision to recommend increased flexibility in the variety of courses available to first-
year science students. The increased
flexibility will come about through
"a firm Grade 12 admission
requirement to 100-level courses,"
which Gardner said will make it
easier for students to specialize
"It's a good idea because it gives
you a better education," said Gardner.
And Gardner said a recommendation to reduce the number of high
school "make-up" courses will also
encourage flexibility for science students entering the university. She
said students will be allowed to take
more courses in the field they wish
to specialize in if they are not
spending time taking courses they
could have taken in high school.
UBC engineering professor Donald Moore, who chaired the presidential review committee on the science faculty, refused to discuss the
147-page   report.
*   Vol. LXII, No. 30
Vancouver, B.C. Thursday, November 22.1979
Lifespring turns
hacks' heads
The next time some Alma Mater Society student
politicians kiss you on the top of your head and
whisper "I love you," don't be alarmed.
They're high on life.
Lifespring, that is.
And the student politicians enrolled in the
"stimulating personal growth" of Lifespring are being attacked by their fellow politicians for conflicts
of interest and for ignoring their responsibilities to
donate more-time to Lifespring, Inc.
Brian Short, Bruce Armstrong, Len Clarke and
Shirley Waters have all paid $350, the starting fee for
Lifespring's basic training course.
All four have important positions within the AMS
executive and its committees, from Short as AMS
president to Armstrong as student board of governors representative, and their continued work for
Lifespring has led to accusations of irresponsibility.
"They're away from their offices for hours," says
student politician Glenn Wong. "We've had trouble
right from the start with this thing."
Wong says he finds "really incongruent" the
behavior of some AMS Lifespring members, who
kiss and hug fellow students and cry "I love you" at
the end of student representative assembly meetings,
then criticize the same people later.
"Lifespring promotes cooperation and a 'get it out
of your system approach'," says Wong. "But there's
still backstabbing going on — it's all glossed over."
Wong said he no longer bothers to approach any
AMS Lifespring members about key issues in UBC
politics and adds the student representatives have
problems setting their priorities.
"I think they have to make a choice," he said.
".It's getting to the either/or position. I want to say:
'Just remember, you guys committed yourself. Don't
overstretch youself and do two jobs half-assed'."
(Waters, Armstrong and president Short all missed
Wednesday's student representative assembly
meeting because of Lifespring commitments.)
"They (Lifespring members) are like the
Moonies," says George Hermanson, chaplain of
UBC's cooperative campus ministry. "In a time
where there are no values, they provide you with that
kind of structure."
Hermanson says university students are very
susceptible to such personal development programs
and in turn grow dependent on the new program to
interpret and alter their perceptions of life.
"Lifespring involves a training process where you
learn appropriate behavior," he says. "Lifespring
and est do not challenge the preconceived notions of
our society."
The Lifespring program advocates subservience
and uses procedures similar to those found in the
Moonies cult, says UBC assistant psychology professor Jocelyn Boyanowski.
"People have to be obedient," she says.
Lifespring uses verbal abuse, lack of sleep and the
pressure of not being allowed to go to the bathroom,
she says. "All of those would create a state of stress
or arousal. Once you get people at a certain level,
you can give your message. And the people are more
susceptible to the message."
Lifespring initiates must pledge an oath of secrecy
and males are requested to shave off all facial hair
because it acts as a physical barrier that masks the
person's true identity.
"I have one friend who was kicked out for failing
to shave off his beard on demand," said
Boyanowski. (As Lifespring members, both AMS
president Brian Short and student board of governors members Bruce Armstrong shaved off their
Christina Banman, who has worked with people
enrolled in Lifespring, says the organization's training sessions mold people's whole perceptions to agree
with Lifespring theory. As a result they view life not
in new, enriched terms but in a mere "filter" of life,
she says.
For AMS members she adds: "If you set yourself
up as a student representative, you should leave
yourself open to another opinion."
Wong said some student politicians who previously
judged AMS business by concrete policies or on a
merit basis no longer take a rational stand on issues
and often present very little debate. But he said he
has no evidence that Lifespring is wholly resonsible
for this change.
If the AMS Lifespring members do not sort out
their commitment to student issues and establish
See page 2: AMS
SFU shuts book on library lottery
Canadian University Press
The thrill of winning a Veg-a-
matic or free tuition wasn't enough
io get students at Simon Fraser
University interested in helping ihe
university's library.
A lottery sponsored by the SFU
psychology department sold 1,560
tickets and raised only $700 for the
library, hit this year by budget cutbacks.
The organizers hoped to raise
$10,000 and offered two semesters
of free tuition, a gift certificate for
the campus bookstore and a Veg-a-
matic as prizes.
"We had no pretence in believing
we would relieve the financial stress
on the library," said organizer
Mark Brunke, a psychology
teaching assistant.
Brunke said his projection of selling 5,000 tickets was "a naive, high
expectation of how they would
But both Brunke and SFU
librarian Ted Dobb said they felt
the lottery was worthwhile.
"1 would not call it a failure, but
a qualified success," said Dobb.
"We got more people to buy
tickets than voted in the student
society election," said Brunke.
"With the track record of this
university, getting 1,000 people to
do anything is a success."
SFU's library received $500,000
less than it asked for in its budget
application this year.
SFU administration president
George Pedersen said his university
spends 7.8 per cent of its budget on
the library, a higher percentage
than UBC or the national average
for universities.
"The library cutbacks are the
result of realistic economic
budgeting," said Pedersen. Page 2
Thursday, November 22, 1979
AMS concerns take back seat
to Lifespring philosophy
From page 1
priorities, the only fair solution is to
resign, says Wong.
But AMS finance director
Clarke, who just completed the
$350 introductory Lifespring
course, says his membership in no
way conflicts with his UBC political
"I don't think there's an issue
here," he said. "I don't think I've
changed substantially. It's going to
help me personally."
And he says the training will not
have a negative effect on the AMS.
Clarke says the Lifespring program improved his inner self and
has increased his effectiveness. He
denied Short and Armstrong were
shirking AMS duties by not attending Wednesday night's SRA
meeting where the constitution issue
was discussed. (Short was absent at
a five-day Lifespring instructor
trainee prgram and Armstrong was
attending to Lifespring business.)
"If someone goes off and studies
or goes on a trip, aren't they shirking iheir duties?" said Clarke. "I
really don't follow that comparison. I see it as two people who
work incredibly hard, long hours
decided to go do something and all
of a sudden everyone's pointing."
Clarke said that in the long run,
it's more beneficial to miss the odd
AMS meeting — to attend a
Lifespring session if it means you
improve your interaction wi?h
others by at least 10 per cent.
"It's really worth it," he says.
"It's an incredible experience. It's a
good complete concept that covers
the entire range. It doesn't cop out
halfway through."
Clarke says he plans to eventually
take the next step in Lifespring
training, which costs $750.
Armstrong, who has completed
the beginner's Lifespring course,
said at first he had doubts about the
program and entered it with a
cynical "this will never work" attitude. But instead he found a very
rewarding experience.
"It was great. I cried ... 1
haven't cried like that in years."
Wong said he resented Armstrong's absence from an AMS
finance committee meeting on tuition fees due to Lifespring commitments. He added Armstrong
and others have not thoroughly examined ihe AMS constitution
bylaws, a crucial issue, due to
lifespring activities.
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delay preparation of a report on tuition fees because of his Lifespring
engagements, said Wong. As a
result, AMS external affairs officer
Valgeet Johl was forced to devote at
least three consecutive days to
preparing the report for presentation to the board of governors.
SRA arts representative Bob
Staley said he agreed that AMS
Lifespring members are allowing
the program to interfere with AMS
"In executive positions it's all the
more important to commit
themselves to do the job they were
elected to do," he says. "They seem
to be taking a more mellow approach to the whole (AMS) process.
"They have an attitude of 'Who
cares what happens? We're in
Lifespring.' There's definitely a
change in the people. It's as though
they're in a quasi-stupor at times."
Like Wong, he thinks resignations are necessary if AMS business
is no longer their top priority.
Lifespring follows a philosophy
of maximizing human potential and
holds theories such as "A loser is
made not born." A Lifespring, Inc.
leaflet lists the following rules for
those taking basic training:
• "trainees must maintain absolute confidentiality of other
trainee's experiences;
• "trainees must be on time and
be seated before the music that
starts each session;
• "no watches or clocks are to
be worn or referred to during training hours;
• "trainees are to ask questions, talk and share only when they
have been acknowledged by the
• "trainees shall not discuss or
disclose the processes of training
with people who have not done the
• "smoking, eating and drinking beverages is allowed outside the
training room only;
• "trainees shall not use consciousness altering agents during
the training. Although coffee, tea,
cocoa and  cola are allowed,  the
following are typical of agents that
are not allowed: alcohol, pain
killers, uppers, downers, marijuana, cocaine, sleeping pills, LSD,
etc. This rule applies in and outside
of the training until the completion
on Sunday night;
• "trainees are to remain in the
training room except for breaks;
• "trainees are to wear their
nametags in a visible location during training hours;
• "note taking and recording
devices are not allowed in the training; and,
• "trainees are to follow the
directions of the trainer."
And a Washington State man is
suing Lifespring for the death of his
daughter. Seattle model Gail
Resnick did not last past the fifth
basic training session.
While eating in a restaurant, the
27-year-old woman collapsed with
an asthma attack. Still in a coma
five days later, her parents asked
the doctors to unplug her life support system.
Father Bill Newgent claims in the
lawsuit that his daughter was not
given sufficient warning of the extreme psychological excercises. He
also contends that Lifespring kept
her medication from her, while telling her the problem was self-caused
when she had the attack.
John Hanley, 33, launched
Lifespring in 1974 with four others.
A self-described "human relations
specialist," Hanley has formed an
expansion-oriented corporation
from a massive interest in personal
growth techniques.
Hanley estimates that more than
30,000 people have completed basic
training. The west coast is the company's foundation, with offices in
Vancouver, San Diego, Los
Angeles, San Rafael, Portland,
Eugene, Seattle and Phoenix. But
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266 S.U.B.), and in the offices of the Student Undergraduate
Societies and the Graduate Student Association.
Nominations must be in the hands of the Registrar no later
than 4:00 p. m. on Friday, December 21, 1979.
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SHELL-SHOCKED STUDENTS seek soothing relief from pressures of essays, mid-terms, 8:30s, boring professors and impending doom of Christmas exams by poring through contents of children's book section of book
store sale in Brock Hall. Irate mature student at left has just found umpteen dollar text written and assigned by
psychology prof on sale for seventy-nine cents two months too late. Sale continues until Nov. 30.
Gov't offers new loan plan
UBC's administrators are
cautiously optimistic about the provincial government's proposed new
plan for financing major equipment
"It opens up a new avenue in
funding. 1 welcome the news," administration president Doug Kenny
said Wednesday. "But at the moment there is nothing guaranteed."
The program, announced Nov.
13 . by education minister Pat
McGeer, provides loan funding on
a 10-year basis for the purchase of
industrial  training machinery and
other major pieces of equipment.
Current funding only provides for
20-year financing.
"Where appropriate, this means
only 10 years of interest payments
instead of 20 on money borrowed
through the Capital Financing
Authority, and thus long-term cost
will be substantially reduced,"
McGeer said in his announcement
of the plan.
Though the program could save
[he university some money,
students will not feel the effects
directly,  said  William  White,  ad
ministration vice-president in
charge of finance. "I don't really
see extra funds for students directly. It (the funding program) won't
relieve the present situation," he
White added that although the
money saved by using ihe new
10-year plan would not be released
for other purposes, it would probably facilitate the purchase of new
But both Kenny and White said
the university currently has no plans
for using the new 10-year plan.
Society scuttles Navigator
The Navigator is in rough water.
The Malaspina College student society is killing the
Navigator, the college's student newspaper, charged
former editor Joel Fulfward.
"The paper is shut down now and the student society is trying to decide its fate," Fulfward said
Wednesday. "We no longer have a telephone or
mailbox. The student society is opening some of our
mail. 1 don't even know if we are getting it all. They
even have our (accounting) books."
Fulfward said the Navigator has published only
four issues this year. But he added two editors have
been fired by the student society and one has resigned.
Wyckam Porteous, this year's third editor, said
Wednesday he was fired for criticizing the student society. "The student society felt that they would like a
paper with a conservative editorial policy," he said.
He added the student politicians did not like their
actions made public.
"We have never interfered with the paper and we
never will," said Malaspina student society president
Nav Baines. "1 don't believe the Navigator will shut
down.  We're just having trouble getting the right
people to do the job."
Baines also said Porteous' dismissal had nothing to
do with the newspaper's editorial policy, but was a
result of Porteous not being a properly registered student of the college.
Fulfward said the Navigator's staff is considering
putting out a newspaper even if the Navigator folds
for good. "We have raised $200 and we need to raise
$200 more," he said.
But he said the student society has the power under
their constitution to prevent distribution of any unapproved publication on the Malaspina campus.
"1 am trying to collect articles in case we can continue publication of the Navigator," he said.
Baines is optimistic the newspaper will be back in
publication by Dec. 1. He said the student society is
considering appointing Brett Johnstone, its vice-president, to the position of editor.
The student society will meet Friday to make a final decision on the newspaper's fate.
Armstrong to
bid for throne
Bruce Armstrong is trying to
parachute himself into a more
powerful Alma Mater Society presidency, charged another student
Glenn Wong, a student board of
governors member, said Wednesday Armstrong is using the upcoming AMS constitutional referendum
to do it.
And he added Armstrong, the
other student board member, has
been railroading a highly centralized constitution through a referendum to run for the new, more
powerful, president's post.
"He (Armstrong) wants to be
president. He hasn't gotten over not
finishing his (first) term," said
Armstrong served half a term as
AMS president in 1978, but was
forced by the UBC administration
lo resign or fail his academic year.
And student representative assembly member Bob Staley said
Armstrong's interest in the presidency is obvious.
"He's been asked point blank if
he's running and he hasn't denied
it. You can draw your own conclusions," said Staley. He said power
granted to the presidency in Armstrong's constitution would allow
the calling of emergency meetings
of SRA at any time.
Both Staley and arts representative Jack Hittrich claim the ability
to call meetings and a reduction in
numbers of representatives needed
for quorum will centralize too much
power in the hands of the president.
"The danger is that he cart call
meetings interminably and will wait
until the conditions are right and
proceed with whatever plans he
has," said Staley. He said the president could call meetings when it was
only convenient for his supporters
to attend.
Hittrich charged that the constitution concentrates too much
power in the hands of the president.
He also charged thai Armstrong,
the author of the document, cajoled
and badgered people into signing a
petition calling for the referendum.
"There were people who really
didn't know what the hell they were
signing. And 1 want people to know
what the hell they're voting for or
Armstrong was unavailable for
comment Wednesday.
Armstrong presented a 601-signa-
ture petition to the SRA Nov. 14,
but the assembly questioned the
validity of it and referred the matter
to student court.
But Armstrong quickly raised another petition for a referendum on
the same constitutional proposals
and took it to a special SRA
meeting Friday night. Acting with a
bare quorum, the assembly moved
to accept the new petition and issue
the call for next week's referendum.
Meanwhile,   student   court   has
been considering the validity of the
original petition and is expected to
make a decision soon.
Professor hits Iran
for current oil crisis
The Iranian revolution is responsible for the current world-wide oil
panic, an expert on Middle East
politics said Wednesday.
Mordechai Abir, a professor of
near Eastern and African studies at
Hebrew University, told 30 students
in SUB 125 that the Arab oil-
producing nations use oil as a
weapon for blackmail.
"Oil-producing nations now see
the power they have, and the next
thing you know we have the
hostage-taking in Iran," he said.
But he added the Arab-Israeli
conflict is totally unrelated to the
world oil situation.
He said Iran produced six billion
barrels of oil a day for export
before the revolution. But after the
revolution other oil producing
countries such as Iraq, Libya and
Saudi Arabia began exporting more
oil, minimizing the effect of Iran's
revolution, he said.
The oil panic is the result of a
shortage of a few million barrels of
oil, Abir said, and added this
demonstrates ihe power of oil-
producing nations.
"The first energy crisis in 1973-74
brought attention to the dependency of the world on the Middle East.
But '73-'74 was not the crisis itself.
It was just the writing on the wall.
"The most important contribution to that oil crisis was when the
United States changed from a net
exporter of oil to a net importer."
The U.S. with six per cent of the
world's population, consumes 30
per cent of the world's oil, he said.
Abir expressed concern that scftne
people attributed the world's oil
problems to Israel.
"Even if Israel wasn't there,
what would happen to the
market?" he asked. "If Israel
disappeared tomorrow the situation
would still be the same."
ABIR . . . blasts blackmail
Abir said the West is going to
face perpetual oil shortages in the
future because the oil-producing
nations see it in their best interests
to under-produce.
"To produce less they can charge
more, and sell more in the future
for a higher price," he said.
He said the oil-producing nations
are acting in the interests of
development in their own countries,
but felt "they should realize that
whatever benefits the whole world
will, in the final analysis benefit
"You cannot control minerals at
the expense of everybody else."
Abir said he is not sure how long
present oil reserves will last, but added he feels there is more oil left
than oil companies are indicating.
"As early as 1898 big oil companies claimed that world oil was
running out and would gone within
30 years," he said. "They keep saying that oil is running out." Page 4
Thursday, November22, 1979
SUiMMRoOTVl Love is...
"Look before you leap" is an old, worn-out adage.
But maybe Brian Short, Bruce Armstrong, Shirley Waters and
Len Clarke might have used it one last time before jumping
headlong into Lifespring.
The obvious comparisons of Lifespring's lifestyle-altering techniques to those of est followers and Moonies should be enough to
scare away intelligent people.
But obviously not student politicians.
And it's not just changing their perspective on life. It's seriously
mpeding their performance as elected student representatives.
Missed student representative assembly meetings and neglected
reports-are only a symptom of a growing disease — student concerns and Alma Mater Society business are no longer a number
one priority with these Lifespring devotees.
The Lifespring organization expects its members to devote a
great deal of their time and efforts to Lifespring business. And
they'll get it. Their strict rules and negative attitude toward even
token resistance to Lifespring philosophy leaves little leeway for
our AMS politicos.
Kissing people on the head and whispering "I love you" are
harmless enough manifestations of the new philosophy. But how
effective are people who see the world through rose-colored
glasses in dealing with real issues?
Non-confrontational treatment of political issues reeks more of
apathy than a step toward more humanistic ideals.
And it's the students who will suffer as a result ... in AMS
policy decision-making, in financial decision-making and board of
governors representation.
That's what Lifespring is doing for the AMS.
Some might call it brainwashing.
But in this case, it might simply be a case of filling a previously
unoccupied space.	
November 22, 1979
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the
university year by the Alma Mater Society of the University of
B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and not of the
AMS or the university administration. Member, Canadian
University Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page Friday, a weekly commentary and review. The Ubyssey's editorial office is
n room 241K of the Student Union Building. Editorial departments, 228-2301; Advertising, 228-3977.
Co-Editors: Heather Conn and Tom Hawthorn
They were on the straight stretch, the black sedan dead in front, when all of a sudden a loud
KABOOM filled the air. A tire blow-out? No, nostalgia fans, you're not thinking. It was a head blow
off. Nov. 22. "Ooh, icky pooh. You've spoiled my new pink dress," cooed svelt Jackie Wheelwright,
as she wiped off her partner's Geof's bloody brain fragments from her lap. "These stains just won't
come out." "Why not SHOUT it out?" perked up secret service agent/body guard Heather Conn who
appeared in a flash from the front seat. "My hands are clean," whispered assassin Steve Harvey McClure, discharging the last bullet in his left leg to epitomize his true, macho image. "Actually, I prefer
the shy quiet type myself," sighed Joan Marklund, massaging the killer's wounded thigh. Ross
"Burnett" tippett suffered a trauma outside the non-Grauman theatre where Peter Manyasz' latest
comedy "Jack Ruby is a Girl's Best Friend" which co-starred Kevin Finnegan as the Trout was playing.
Erica Leiren, Gary Brookfield and Glen Sanford all drove sorrowfully back to Zapruder Acres where
Yvette the maid recounted it all to Keith Baldrey and Tom Hawthorn as she took yet more hits from the
liquid plumber.
'Let's take right stand with AMS politicians'
Your recent coverage of the Alma
Mater Society constitutional proposals read like the left-hand pages
ol a book. When is the other side
(incidentally, the majority) ever
given   equal   space  to  express   its
While most of the proposed constitutional changes are agreed to by
.ill concerned, the confrontation
comes down to one question:
"Should the entire student body
elect the AMS executive (president,
\ice-president, etc.), instead of the
current method of council electing
the positions from amongst itself."
While the opposition has been
quite vocal against the constitution,
the reasons are either very weak or
unfounded. One opponent's statement that "students are too dumb
to know who to elect," is a perfect
example of how these people desire
to keep control of the AMS within
student council, instead of returning control of the AMS, through
the ballot box, to the entire student
Most universitv students in Can-
Wake up Erich Van
Winkle, it's now 1979
I should like to congratulate Heather Conn for her well-written and
witty article on page four of the
Tuesday, Nov. 20 Ubyss;y.
I used to silently rebuke myself
for my uncharitable thoughts about
Mr. Erich Vogt, when I found myself subjected to his interminable
and mumbling introductions of
Vancouver Institute lecttrers. After
reading Ms. Conn's article I see that
his inability to speak directly is a
carefully studied art.
Especially noteworthy w; s Vogt's
comment on the fact that UBC has
only seven women academic heads.
"That's an improvement," he tells
us. As someone in my office dryly
commented, "an improvement on
the 13th century."
There's little else I can say, because Heather Conn said it all.
Let's have more of this same intelligent reporting in future issues of
The Ubyssey.
Joan Stuchner
fine arts library
ada elect their student society
executive. From 1916 to 1975 this
was the way at UBC, until a student
council hired the band Trooper to
pass the new constitution that took
voting rights away from the general
student body.
A group of student representative
assembly members during the past
year have attempted numerous
times to get SRA to hold a referendum of the student body to find out
if students want the proposed
changes (which would have to pass
by 75 per cent). Since SRA desired
not to find out the desires of the
students, other steps had to be
In the current constitution there
is a provision that if a petition with
500 signatures asks for a referendum, then the AMS must hold one.
The petitions gathered during the
last week were signed by over 1,000
different students. If this is the only
way SRA will hold a referendum to
find out what students think —
then SRA is not truly representing
students (what's new!), especially if
they think that students don't want
the constitutional changes, without
even holding a referendum.
Last Friday an SRA meeting was
held to discuss the referendum. The
opponents, in childish politics that
is typical of the AMS, boycotted the
meeting in an attempt to destroy
quorum — the childish game didn't
Most representatives of arts, law,
education and grad studies refuse to
allow you, the student, to vote on
the new constitution.
Let's return the control of the
AMS to the student body. Let's tell
those 'ivory-tower' politicians that
students want the chance to elect
AMS executive. On Nov. 27 to 30 a
referendum is going to be held on
the new constitution. Be sure to
vote. Let's prove to those people
who want to keep control of the
AMS within the council chamber
that students want the right to have
a direct say in the AMS.
Craig Brooks
science SRA rep
member code and
bylaws committee
We're not dead yet
Alas, it would seem that the 'good old days' of student protests, demonstrations, and mass campus uprisings are gone forever, or so we
should be led to believe by the lamentations of our student politicos,
women's groups, gay right advocates and the like.
How often have the noble pages of this very newspaper been filled
with scorpion criticism of student apathy? Where are all the revolutionary children who might fight with apostolic fervor the 'declining quality
of university education' or rally against the construction of a wicked
research station?
As glum a situation as this might all seem at UBC, we need not feel
complete despair — student activism is not wholly dead. Let us full-
heartedly redeem our own shortcomings by pledging full support to
such an admirable effort being carried on this very moment by our
counterparts in Iran.
Long live the freedom and power of students!
Theodore Baracos
arts 4 Thursday, November 22, 1979
Page 5
Japan is out to get us
As a British Columbian and a
student I support the concept of
having an on-campus research
park. Such a centre will not only
provide jobs for students and
graduates, but it could be of great
advantage to all British Columbians.
The primary concern of
graduating students is to find
employment. As there is relatively
little in the way of secondary industry in British Columbia,
thousands of science graduates are
forced to emigrate to the United
States and eastern Canada in order
to find jobs that are appropriate to
their education. Many of those who
stay end up underemployed if not
unemployed. Therefore, a research
centre could significantly reduce the
brain drain by giving productive
and satisfying work to young
British Columbians.
More importantly, such a
research centre could be a gold
mine of technology for British Columbia's woefully underdeveloped
economy. Provided that the park
doesn't become just a giveaway to
foreign companies, the practical
knowledge coming out of there
would provide the much-needed
link between the technical
knowledge of UBC and the industrialization of our land.
As in other countries, British
Columbia   must   fully   utilize   its
It ys only practical
Despite the fact that you might
have been 'red' with anger or embarrassment, hundreds of education students had a 'blue' practicum. Regardless of hopeful attitudes and diligent work many ed.
students returned downtrodden and
depressed to an unsympathetic faculty where they received little or no
encouragement in order to revitalize
themselves for future 'encounters.'
Several transfer students have already dropped out of the program
and unfortunately others are considering the same route. Now whether the blame is to fall on the students, the faculty, or the sponsor
teacher is up to you!
Many ed. students feel that either
i heir sponsor teachers and/or faculty advisers have been highly
insensitive to their needs and have
been responding with unconstruct-
ive criticism — many in a highly unprofessional manner. 1 feel that unless this information is disclosed to
the education faculty students will
have no one to complain to but
How? The process is simple:
are to be revealed. We want constructive feedback to present u the
faculty. Let us not fall prey to that
which we criticize; positive encouragement is needed too. If you had a
good practicum tell us why. We all
need reinforcement. Tell us your
opinions . . . from one teacher to
These routes
were made for
cycling (yeah!)
Once again the university endowment lands administration has revealed its policy that if cyclists are
ignored, they will go away. Currently, large pits are being dug in
the "bike path" along University
Boulevard making it unusable in
certain sections.
These things are necessary from
time to time, we know, but as regular cycling commuters we object to
the fact that absolutely no alternate
routing has been provided for people using the path; all we get is a
large sign across the path saying
"Sidewalk closed." In order to get
around the construction one must
ride onto the roadway (against the
flow of traffic if you're coming into
campus) — an obviously hazardous
procedure considering how narrow
the roadway is.
If you're a cyclist and you are too
fed up with being ignored, why not
drop in to the UEL office at the
corner of Chancellor Blvd. and
Acadia Rd. and let them know how
you feel about it. Who knows, maybe they'll realize we actually exist.
Ivor McMahen
med 1
another. Forms are located on the
first floor of the Scarfe building,
just to the left of the main door entrance. W;e thank you, in advance,
for your participation.
Renee-Marie Fountain
education rep
student representative assembly
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getting some free publicity for an
event or function sponsored by
your club? Well here at CITR-UBC
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you out. We tell as much as we can
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technological know-how if our
economy is to develop to a standard
equal to the western industrial nations. If we do not develop our
country by ourselves, then we will
continue to lay the land wide open
to the economically aggressive nations such as Japan who will continue to plunder our natural
resources for their own gain. With
an industrialized economy it will be
BritishColumbia, not the foreigner,
who will become strong and
wealthy because of our abundant
True, the lack of an on-campus
research centre might spare a few
l(K) acres of second growth forest,
and, almost certainly the foreign
sponsored environmental groups
would be highly delighted if British
Columbia were to have a tourism
based economy rather than a
modern industrialized one.
However, British Columbians (except the tourism ministry) will have
little to smile about, for they would
be left with nothing more than a
banana republic without the
If the anti-research clique has its
way, fewer and fewer of our citizens
will be able to find work other than
in chopping down trees for the
Japanese and American lumber
barons or sweeping up after foreign
tourists at hotels and trade centres.
So, if we are to remain servants in
our own house then why bother
with education beyond the three
Rs? After all, it makes no sense for
the taxpayers lo pay thousands of
dollars lo educate a student only to
have him give another country the
benefit of his skills.
James C. Burdon
science 2
Postgraduate Studies in Forestry
at the University of Toronto
The Graduate Department of Forestry at the
University of Toronto offers programs leading
to the M.Sc.F. and Ph.D. degrees in the
following areas:
Basic Sciences
1. Forest Biology (soils, pathology, wild-life,
2. Forest Managerial Principles (mensuration,
forest economics, policy, decision-making,
fire management).
Professional Studies
3. Forest Management and Silviculture;
4. Wood Science;
5. Urban Forestry.
Good scholarship opportunities exist for
qualified applicants who apply by
February 1.
Applications of candidates from a variety of
backgrounds are welcome.
For more information, address your enquiry to:
The Chairman
Graduate Department of Forestry
University of Toronto
Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5S1A1
mentioning the level of graduate study and
the area of forestry research in which you are
most interested. Page 6
Thursday, November 22, 1979
Tween classes
Chinese  painting workshop,   noon  to 2  p.m.,
SUB 113.
Dim sum lunch, noon to 1:30 p.m., SUB lobby.
Weekly meeting, noon, Buch. 3605.
Pro'essor Wesley Salmon speaks on Causality:
Production and propagation, noon, Law 177.
Dr    Lindsay   Farrell  speaks on  Prosopography
plus. Integrating intellectual and social data tn a
collective biography of scientists, 4 p.m., Buch.
Dr   Cheevey speaks on forensic dentistry, noon,
Film about South Africa entitled White Laager,
noon, Law 101
Lesbian drop-in, 1:30 p.m.. SUB 130.
General meeting, noon, SUB 230.
Concert with guest soloists VSO horn section,
noon, Old Auditorium.
Hero'* looking
at you, Robert
How Great Thou, Art. Well,
maybe not great but worth looking
at is Robert Linsley's art. And it's
on display now in the SUB art gallery. The gallery's hours are from
10:30 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. Monday to
Friday and the show continues until
Nov. 30.
General   meeting,   noon,   International   House
Mangez,   dansez,   amusez-vous  Ifor  free   —almost)   ce  soir,   7:30  p.m.,   la  Maison  Internationale.
The Great Dictator with Charlie Chaplin, noon,
SUB auditorium.
Questions and answers on Christian Science,
noon, SUB 224.
General   meeting,   noon.   International   House
main floor.
Learning to Trust, noon, Chem. 250.
Relaxing live music and bar, 8 p.m. to midnight,
Cecil Green park.
General meeting, noon, SUB 213.
Workshop, noon to 2:30 p.m., SUB 249.
Jackie Goodwin speaks on lesbian motherhood,
noon, SUB 212.
Sale of ex-rental regulators, noon, cages in SUB
Training session for all volunteers on the om-
budsperson's office, noon, SUB 115.
Awards officer Keith Gilbert will give financial
advice, noon, Speakeasy, SUB main mall.
Last meeting of term, noon, SUB 213.
Meeting to get things moving, noon, Buch. 218-
Guitar class, noon, SUB 113.
Mandarin class, beginners, noon, Scarfe 200.
Dr. Lindsay Farrell speaks on Science and ideology: The case of eugenics, noon, Buch, 100.
Subcommittee meetings, noon, SUB 130.
General   meeting,   noon,   International   House
Two dual meets. Alberta at 3 p.m. and Western
Washington at 7:30 p.m., unit 2 gym A.
| Art (Landslide) Phillips
g Lone Liberal M.P. for B.C.
H speaks on Western Issues %
M and the Liberals in B.C.
= Friday, November 23
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Sdctal night, 7 p.m. to midnight, SUB 207.
Coffeehouse, 9:30 p.m. to 11 p.m., Theodora's,
1812 W. 4th Avenue.
Art Phillips speaks on Western issues, noon,
Buch. 104.
Artists Robert Davidson and Bill Reid talk about
Northwest Coast Indian art, 3 p.m., Museum of
Special presentation of rock and ice climbing by
Jeff Lowe, 7:30 p.m., IRC 2.
Regular meeting, 1:30 p.m.. SUB 130.
General meeting, noon, SUB 130.
Testimony meeting, noon, SUB 224.
Slides on Papua, New Guinea and recruitment
information, 7:30 p.m , International House upper lounge.
G. Ledyard Stebbins speaks on Biological evolution, cultural evolution, anc the significance of
sociobiology, 4:30 p.m., IRC 2.
Prayer and sharing, noon, SUB 213?
Introductory lecture on the transcendental meditation program, noon, Angus 306.
Dr. Ian Rennie speaks on A Christian Biography,
noon, Chem. 250.
Live music and bar, 8 p.m. to midnight, Cecil
Green park.
1110 Seymour St.
Friday, Nov. 23
4:30 - 10:00
Buchanan Lounge
Humm'n Coke, Cheap Bears
Everyone Welcome
First the Good News
Corky's is CLOSING
Nov. 26th and 27th
Now the Bad News
Corky's is REOPENING
With a completely Renovated Salon
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Deadline is11:30 a.m., the aay before publication.
PubliediphsQffke, Room 241, S.U.B., UBC, Van., B.C V6T1W5.
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GIRLS! Fantastic reductions till stock
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BIG WHITE SKI TRIP! Jan. 1 to Jan. 6.
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U.B.C. Ski Club, Room 210 S.U.B. or call
Ian 224-3973.
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Broomball, 7 p.m.
winter sports centre
Women's basketball
UBC vs. Calgary,
6:45 p.m., mem gym
Men's basketball
UBC vs. Calgary,
8:30 p.m., mem gym
Men's and women's teams
at Canada West tourney,
Women's curling
UBC at Golden Ears
Men's ice hockey
UBC at Calgary
Women's field hockey
UBC vs. Jokers, 1 p.m.,
McGregor field
JV'svs. Mohawks, 11 a.m.,
McGregor Field
Men's rugby
UBC   vs.    Capilano,   2:30
p.m.. Kinsmen park
Women's basketball
UBC vs. Calgary
6:45 p.m., mem gym
Men's basketball
UBC vs. Calgary,
8:30 p.m., mem gym
Men's and women's teams
at Canada West tourney.
Men's ice hockey
UBC at Calgary
Women's soccer
UBC vs. Retreads, 10 a.m.,
Maclnnes field
Fencers make
good neighbors
The UBC fencing team made a
strong showing at the University of
Washington tournament on the
weekend, despite the presence of
some of the top fencers in the
United States.
Jane Milton finished second in
the women's foil, losing to Debbie
Waiples of Portland who is ranked
in the top 10 in the U.S.
Craig Bowlsby placed third in the
men's foil,' which was won by a
former U.S. champion.
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November 28th — 9:00 a.m.-6:00 p.m., Visual presentation
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Thursday, November 22, 1979
Some Dead
speak out
A band that's been making
waves recently is the Dead
Kennedys, who hail from San
Francisco. They combine
calculated outrage with biting
and witty lyrics to create
unambiguous and noisy punk
rock. Their insanity matches
that of the insane America
they castigate lyrically, and
they are one of the most
exciting bands to come out of
the whole west coast new       *»
wave scene. Page Friday
staffer Steve McClure
caught them as they were
waking up the other day. And
between hastily consumed
food morsels he obtained
these words of wisdom from
the somnambulant Kennedys
as they geared up to play a
concert tonight
Page Friday. The first
thing that I've got to ask is:
what about the name? How
calculated is that for its
impact? You're making fun of
one of the sacred institutions
of American political life. How
does that relate to Canada, as
you're going to be playing
here Nov. 22, the 16th
anniversary of John F.
Kennedy's assassination?
Jello Biafra (lead singer):
You people seem to be more
into that than we are.
PF: You seem to be an
overtly political band. Is it fair
to classify you this way?
JB: We write what we feel.
Most of our feelings are
politically based. I think that
anybody who sings about
something other than "I
wanna fall in love so you'll
buy my record" type thing
has gotta be saying
something political sooner or
later. But, yeah, we do
generally deal with political
issues, not necessarily ones
that are topical and popular.
We've got one song about
the neutron bomb called Kill
the Poor, which at face value
some people interpret as an
extremely fascist song. But
what it says basically is that it
makes no sense to build a
bomb that doesn't destroy
property, only people, and
claim that it's for use against
an enemy. No, it's for
domestic use
Like when it comes time
when people think there are
too many people in America,
who are they going to drop it
on but poor people and then
tear down the, buildings and
rebuild them as hotels for
That's essentially what the
song's about, spoken from
the villain's point of view,
about the white middle-class
saying "oh, we don't have to
pay taxes for these people
anymore," because there's a
big anti-tax movement in
America now. The neutron
bomb is to wipe poor people
off the map.
PF: You're probably white
middle-class people
JB: My father is the head
of an oil company. . . no, not
true. For what it's worth my
father is a psychiatric social
worker, unemployed at the
moment and my mother is a
PF: Oh, that's okay, that's
JB: Yeah, a couth
occupation. I never did know
what your father did, Klaus.
Klaus Flouride (bass):
- JB: Oh really, what kind of
buildings does he make?
KF: Oh, schools and
stuff. . .
JB: Oooh, evil architecture.
Is he part of this trend that
goes for no windows in the
KF: He likes old fashioned
JB: Good. What enrages
me is the idea of schools with
no windows, like force kids to
stare at nothing but the
boring things that are being
shoved at them from in front
of the classroom. It's like
training people to have .more
mechanized minds. Subtle
but effective.
PF: So social criticism is
fairly evident as a part of your
music. Do you anticipate any
change in direction? I can see
you perhaps settling into a
pattern where you write
songs about topical issues as
they come along. Do you
want to change that
JB: Oh not yet, no. For
example our song Holiday in
Cambodia is more a propos
now than when we first came
out with it a year and a half
ago. The situation itself has
changed. Pol Pot is no longer
running the country but his
effects are only beginning to
be felt. So the song is about
taking snotty decadent
American college students
and sending them off to
PF: Some people have
created the category "acid-
punk." How would you feel if
this were applied to your
music as a label?
JB: I've heard a few bands
classified as acid-punk, but if
you asked any of them if they
were acid-punk they'd laugh.
The only place I've ever seen
that term used is by people
affiliated with Bomp
magazine, and the editor of
Bomp is one of these guys
who have a very good mind.
But the only thing he can
figure out to do with it is to
categorize everything in such
a way that he can relate it to
the mid-sixties, which is the
only era of music he's ever
He helped push the term
"punk" to begin with. Like if
it starts to sound melodic:
"oh, that band's a power-pop
band," or "this band sounds
like something over my head,
therefore it must be acid-
punk." He likes to use the
word "genre" a lot. His name
is Greg Shaw.
So I don't subscribe to the
term "acid-punk." I'm hoping
that this generation uses acid
in a bit more moderation than
the last one did. Like acid can
be cool in small doses but I've
run across too many people
who've been turned into
somewhat vegetables on it.
One important difference
between some of the acid-
inspired music of the sixties,
which is like dealing with
celestial escape and stuff, and
the more modern equivalents
of psychedelia like Pere Ubu,
and yes, we have to put Devo
in this category too, is instead
of dealing with celestial
escape they embrace
industrial depression, which I
find an interesting sign of the
B«*ffia'*' *
hungers for political position
PF: That's the problem
with a group like Devo —
that very mechanized and
repetitive sound.
JB: Devo is real Sesame
Street about it, but some of
the other people like Pere
Ubu deal with it in a more
grim but equally beautiful
PF: Take a band like
Kraftwerk with their
repetitive, factory-discipline
sound. Are they extolling
that, do they like the rhythms
of factory work?
JB: That may be just
because of their background.
When I was in Germany,
West Germany anyway, I
thought the Germans were
the most mechanized society
I'd ever seen. Even if the
streets were bare, if the signal
at the crosswalk said don't
walk, they didn't walk.
Anyway, you wonder about
the motives of some of the
bands, whether they're doing
it to just help sedate people
into becoming more like
rodents like in Fritz Lang's
Metropolis or whether they're
just mocking it.
I've yet to make up my
mind about Devo because
they seemed to be going in
the direction of mocking it
and exposing its futility at
first, and now that they're
signed to a record company
it's more 'rah rah let's be
Devo, let's sell Devo
Hallowe'en masks and get
rich and make everybody
proud to be dumb,' which is
a trend that's been going on
in America for quite a long
Look at the people
promoted as heroes now:
John Travolta, Sylvester
Stallone, Nick Noite. All
current sex symbols, all
portrayed stupid characters in
the movies that made them
sex symbols.
One thing I noticed very
early in school, one thing
you're taught through various
means, is that it's not cool to
be smart in America. Don't
think, because your friends
won't like it and the adults
won't like it. Just do what's
cool and don't think about it.
PF: A band like Devo seems
to cause or reflect a lot of
cynicism. I guess you could
see that as helping the status
JB: Cynicism is fine, it's
just when you're cynical
about something and then
kiss its ass anyway. . .
PF: How can one band
stop this and save the world?
JB: One person can't save
the world but everybody can
help, even if it's only five
minutes a day.
One of the first steps is just
proving to people 'No, we
won't go away.'


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