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Tuesday, January 27th, 1931
A special meeting of the Senate of The University
of British Columbia was held on Tuesday, January 27th,
1931, at 8:15 p.m., in the Board Room.
Present: President L. S. Klinck (in the Chair),
The Honourable the Minister of Education, Mr. Joshua
Hinchliffe, Chancellor R. E. McKechnie, Dean F. M.
Clement, Dean R. W. Brock, Dean D. Buchanan, Mr. E. A.
Lloyd, Dr. G. G. Moe, Mr. J. M. Turnbull, Dr. H. Vickers,
Mr. H. F. Angus, Dr. A. H. Hutchinson, Mr. J. N. Harvey,
Dr. Frank P. Patterson, Mr. E. C. Hayward , Mr. D. L.
MacLaurin, Mr. G. W. Clark, Mr. P. H. Elliott, Rev. Dr.
J. G. Brown, Rev. Dr. W. H. Vance, Dr. G. G. Sedgewick,
Mr. Sherwood Lett, Mr. H. T. Logan, Mr. A. E. Lord, Dr.
Evlyn F. Farris, Mrs. Beatrice Wood, Dr. C. Killam,
Miss A. B. Jamieson, Mr. Sydney Anderson, Dr. W. B.
Burnett, The Most Rev. A. U. de Pencier and Mr. Lyle A.
Atkinson.
The Secretary read the call of the meeting:
To consider the present and future basis
for admission to the University.
An expression of regret at his inability to attend
the meeting was received from Canon Sovereign.
Letters from the Deputy provincial Secretary were
read announcing that the following persons had been
appointed members of Senate by orders in council:
J. Newton Harvey, Esq., ) For a period of three
Vancouver ) years from January 21st,
Frank P. Patterson, Esq., ) 1931, and until their
M.D.C.M.,F.R.S.C.E., ) successors are
F.A.C.S., Vancouver ) appointed.
E. C. Hayward, Esq., B.A.
Victoria
) For a period of three
) years from January 24th,
) 1931, and until his suc-
) cessor is appointed.
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Tuesday, January 27th, 1931
The President extended to the new members a hearty
welcome to the deliberations of the Senate and expressed
the hope that they would enjoy their association with the
Senate and its duties.
The President then introduced the Honourable Mr.
Hinchliffe.
The Honourable Mr. Hinchliffe, in his opening remarks, stated that he had come to the meeting in his
official capacity, to lay before Senate the considered
opinion of the Government in regard to the one particular
question referred to in the notice of meeting.
The Minister then read his notes, which follow:
SALIENT POINTS BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE MINISTER OF
EDUCATION AT A CONFERENCE HELD BY HIM WITH THE
SENATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF BRITISH COLUMBIA ON
JANUARY 27th, 1931.
1. The Board of Governors has, through the Minister of
Education, called the attention of the Government to
the condition of affairs at the University, especially in regard to overcrowding, stressing the point
that a prompt decision as to the steps to be taken
to amend such condition is imperative.
2. Two results of this overcrowding are specifically
pointed out by the Government:-
(a) That many classes are much too crowded for
effective teaching to be carried on, and
(b) That by reason Of this overcrowding there is
greatly increased danger of loss of life should
a fire occur.
3. The Board of Governors has taken the stand that the
duty of deciding what shall be done in regard to
this matter lies entirely with the Government.
4. The following suggestions which have been made to
the Board have been handed on to the Government:
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Tuesday, January 27th, 1931
1. Reduce the registration to the point where the
present accommodation is adequate.
2. Decline to organize new Faculties or Departments.
i 3. Restrict the scope of existing Departments to the
work being done at present.
4. Leave the question of increased accommodation in
abeyance for the time being.
5.  The Government is of the opinion that there are only
two practicable methods by which the difficulty of
overcrowding may be overcome.
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(a) Increase the accommodation,
(b) Reduce the registration.
,. As at present it is absolutely impossible for the
Government to provide funds for such increased
accommodation as would relieve the overcrowding, and,
L as apparently, for some years to come the same con
dition is likely to prevail, (a) is out of the
*" question.
]^k There seems, therefore, to be only one course left,
y ^^ namely, to reduce the registration to the point for
which the present accommodation will suffice.
( 6.  The Government finds that, under Section 2 of 75 of
1926-27 the Senate is charged with the duty of deter-
> | mining "all questions relating to the admission of
students to the University or to any Faculty thereof",
but, since the Board of Governors declares that the
^ Provincial Government is the body that must decide the
vital question of limitation of registration, the
^ Government feels that it is justified in coming to
this Senate, and declaring its policy, and asking the
, Senate to put that policy into effect.
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7.  The University has, the Board of Governors declares,
| ; followed the policy laid down by the former adminis-
* tration, viz., that the institution should be open,
■j free of charge, to all students with the requisite
academic standing.  No material change, except the
imposition of a moderate fee on students, has been
made, nor could, the Board of Governors declares, any
material change be made until the Board was officially
Ft. advised by the Administration that it desired such
change .
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Tuesday, January 27th, 1931
^kw 8«  The Government takes the position that conditions are
now entirely different from those which prevailed at
the time the former Administration laid down its
policy, and that it is now absolutely impossible for
British Columbia to provide a University, "open and
z free of charge to all students with the requisite
academic standing".
Indeed from the very beginning the University Act has
never required, for in Section 9 of 1924 it limits the
liability of the University to the extent of its
resources.
9.  Seeing, then, that the Board of Governors definitely
J attributes to the Government the duty of laying down
a policy regarding registration at the University of
British Columbia; seeing that conditions are very
different from what they were when the former Administration laid down the policy that it desired to have
ji followed; seeing that the situation at the University
in regard to overcrowding demands immediate attention,
, the Government feels that it is not exceeding its duty
u when it lays down its policy in regard to registration,
and suggests to the Senate that it desires to see that
policy carried out.
r 10.  The Government desires,
(a) That no more students be allowed to enter the
< University than the buildings can accommodate in
such a manner as to allow the work of the Univer-
l sity to be done in the most efficient way,
(b) The Government desires that the candidates for
{ admission received each year shall be those who
appear to offer the best possibilities of assimi-
£ lating and making good use of the education ob
tained at the University, and suggests that the
vacancies available each year be filled from the
applicants in the order of merit in which they
appear upon the Matriculation pass list.
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11.  The Government is moved to lay down this policy by
i certain considerations in addition to those advanced
by the Board of Governors.
(a) It would appear that many students now are admitted who should never enter University because,
* as the President has stated, only about 40% of
those who register eventually graduate.  (The
i^^ Government is of the opinion that probably 31%
^m sould be nearer the mark).
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Tuesday, January 27th, 1931
(b) The Government is aware, from the statements of
parents of past or present students, that a
certain number of students now attend University
although they have no intention of doing any
real study.
(c) Now that the Government has officially been made
aware of the possibility of loss of life through
overcrowding in case of fire, it has no course
open but to suggest, as it has already done, that
the attendance be strictly limited to the accom-
moda tion .
(d) As the Government is interested in seeing that the
money spent on University education is spent to
the greatest advantage, it is moved to suggest
that students be admitted in order of merit as
their names appear on the Matriculation list.
The Honourable the Minister stated that he did not
wish to enter into a debate but would be pleased to hear
any questions which might be asked.  His wishes in this
regard were respected.
A discussion followed in which uuestions were asked
and views presented.
After the withdrawal of the Honourable the Minister,"
the President stated that copies of the statement submitted by the Board of Governors to the Minister, with
Accompanying memoranda, and a copy of the Minister's
statement to Senate, would be sent to members of Senate,
thus putting into the hands of Senate all information
available at the present time.
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Tuesday, January 27th, 1931
Dr.   Sedgewick)
Dr.   Vance )   That   the   President  be   authorized
by  Senate   to   supply  members   of
Senate   with   copies   of   the   papers
as   stated,   and   that   Senate   stand
adjourned   to   re-assemble   at   the
call   of   the   Chair.
Carried
Secretary
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Chairman

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