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J\ntemporarily be working |\"UMV VjUOTCinteed\non a house call basis. '\nWe'r.e sorry for any C C 7 \u2022 C 1 OQ\n667*6138\nIT'S CHRISTMAS.\nBE COOL.\nBUY YOURSELF,\nSOMETHING.\nSWAMP\nhouse!\nSKATEBOARDS, SNOWBOARDS, COOL CLOTHING W\n2951W4thAve?39-979i Discorder, whether it wants to or\nnot, is about to enter Ihe world of\ncyberspace. Now, instead of killing\nall those trees and making logging\ncompanies richer and falter, you\ncan get the latest issue oi Discorder\ndigitally. Beginning withthisissue,\nthe one that's leaving ink on your\nhand, you can download all the text\nfrom Discorder off the Nettwerk\nBBS.\nThe Nettwerk BBS has been\nset up as a service for people who\nare looking for information on\nNettwerk and their roster, past and\npresent. All you need is a computer,\na modem and this phone number:\n604-731 -7007. Like Discorder, the\ncall is free, unless you live outside\nVancouver. Log onto the board and\npresto! Not only will you have ac\ncess to realms of info on Nettwerk,\nyou will also be able to download\nall forthcoming issues of \"that mag\nfrom CiTR \" You'll also find a couple other electronic fanzines, contests, discussion groups, and com-'\nputer graphics and sounds. All for\nthe taking. No muss, no fuss, no\nhidden charges. And you can log on\nany time, day or night; it's acompu-\nter, dammit, it doesn't needto sleep.\nJust think, you may die from radiation from your computer screen but\nyou'll never need a moist towelette\nto get that ink off your hands again.\nFor more info, call Lane at\nNettwerk(604-654-2929)orE-maiI\nmeat: nettwerk\u00aemindlink.bc.ca\nLane Dunlop\nThe \"Mail \"man\nBesides being available on E-mail\nas of this issue, we also take pride in\nannouncing another Discorder\nbirth. In addition to delivering over\none million Discorders, Matt\nSteffich and Jennifer Rosling\nproudly delivered Austin at 11:20\nAM, November 12th, on Salt Spring\nIsland. 71b., lloz. Austin joins the\nsomewhat untidy and talcum-\nscented crib of the Discorder staff\nbeside Emma and Zachary, who\nhave been pounding square pegs\ninto round holes and destroying\nFisher-Price products for 1 and 3\nyears respectively. Congratulations\nalso go out to our \"Evan Dando is a\nTool\" winners: Chris Bentzen, John\nChong, Kurt Eeg, Carl Fleet and\nGerry Straathof.\nPaul t. Brooks\nEditor\nAN OPEN LETTER TO\nTHE MISLED, NAIVE AND\nJUST PLAIN IGNORANT:\nRecently I have heard the accusation from a number of different\nsources that a band can only get\nairplay on CiTR or press in Discorder Magazine if that band works\nat CiTR or knows someone who\nworks at CiTR. CiTR is not an elite\nclub with secret handshakes and\ncode words. While it is true that\nmany people involved with the station are also in a band, and bands\nthat know people at CiTR and Discorder receive free promotion from\nus, it is not true that they receive the\npromotion because of their tie to\nthe station. Rather it'sbecause they\nare aware of what the station offers\nand how to take advantage of these\noptions. So before anyone else can\ngripe about one band getting all the\nINTERNATIONAL SECULAR ATAVISM\nINSPIRATIONAL CD compact disc out\nTHIS MONTH AVAILABLE AT ALL\nCOOL RECORD STORES (you know\nwhich ones) THIS IS not not NOT A\nMUSIC CD IT IS AN INSPIRATIONAL\nCD (includes phone call to \"BOB\nLARSON\") Learn how to maintain a\nHEALTHY \"HEALTHY\" HEALTHY\nTHRONTUM!!!\nBE ONE OF US! BE ONE OF US! BE\nONE OF US! BE ONE OF US! WOW!\nPHONE US!!! in Canada (604) 268-9952 FREE message! U.S.A. (503) 768-4001\nbreaks and another band being shut\nout, here are the facts.\nFor any band to succeed they\nneed three things: talent, promotion, and support. CiTR, Discorder\nMagazine and all the other campus\/\ncommunity radio stations across\nCanada, including CFRO in Vancouver, CFUV in Victoria, and\nCJSF in Bumaby, are able to help\nwith the promotion. Your fans and\nlisteners have to give you the support, but the talent part is your re-.\nspo risibility.\nSecond, in order to get promotion or ai rplay you have to make\nan effort. We are working hard\nenough producing quality programming on a very tight budget. We\ncan only promote what we know.\nSo here are some of the options that\nare available to you.\n1) In order to get on-air play,\nsend CiTR a copy of your tape. It\ndoesn't have to be produced in a 24\ntrack studio, it just has to sound\ngood! (There are some very talented bands out there who have\nrecorded tapes in thei r basement on\na 4 trackor ghetto blaster. There are\nalso bands with CDs produced in\nfull production studios that suck).\nAll tapes received by the station are\ngiven to the Demo Director who\nchooses one song or more and\nrecords it on to a cart (a cart looks\nlike an 8-track tape and contains a\ncontinuous loop of tape that automatically forwards to the beginning after the song is played). These\ncarts are put i n the on-air studio and\nare available for play by any programmer.\n2) Submit a second copy of\nyourtape for revi ew i n Discorder's\n\"Vancouver Special \"column. Discorder can't guarantee that all tapes\nare reviewed (sometimes it's most\nkind to say nothing), but we try.\nSure, our\nwriters and\nprogram-\nband, but\nwhat of it? If\nwe said every\n^^x__\u00a3>?^\no UP I Hlb FREE SNOT DESIGN available at TRACK RECORDS,\nBOOM CDs, ZULU RECORDS, and\n\"POP!\"!!! or send $14.& (cash please...\nwe're a religion) 100% cotton, black orwhite\n(specify) X-large only... and SEND $5 for\nreal real REAL (it REALLY IS REAL!)\nTRUE\/\\C7U4LsnotBOOGERSOFOUR\n\"LORD\" the MESSIAH HOLY JESUS THE\nWOW'cHRIST-THING\" (ForFREE__]lQK:\nERS OF THE \"FREE SNOT\" AD send\nS.A.S.E.) WOW! ITS REALLY TRUE!!!!!\none person\nand do not\nreflect the\nopinions of\nthe Discorder\nstaff. And, as\nthe advertising industry\nsays, there is\nno such thing\nas bad pub-\n3\nGive CiTR at\nten notice regarding your\nup-coming\ngigs. This\ngives us time\ntoprocessthe\ninformation\nand make it\navailable to\nthe on-air volunteers. Ifyou don't\nhave two weeks send it in anyhow,\nwe will do what we can.\n4) Become familiar with the\nprogramming on CiTR. That way\nyou can call programmers who play\nyour music, or similar music, and\nask them to announce your gigs.\nThis works particularly well with\nthe specialty programs. Ifyou are in\na rap group, for instance, call one of\nour five rap shows; if you are in a\nriot girrl group call the women's\nmusic show, if you are in a folk\nband call the folk show, and so on.\nDon't bug programmers to death\nthough, there is apoint of diminishing returns. Ourprogrammers spend\na lot of time learning about your\nmusic; spend a little time familiarizing yourself with their programs!\n5) Come up to the station and\nhang a poster or two in the lounge,\nand the rest ofthe university while\n6) Drop off \"free\" or \"$1 off'\ntickets at the station for your upcoming gigs. We have a place for\nthese tickets that a lot of people\nknow about.\n7) Call CiTR and talk to Nardwuar about performi ng live on \"Radio Thunderbird Hell\" airing every\nThursday night. Please remember\nthat this program is usually booked\ntwo or three months in advance.\n8) Send your tape to AMS\nPrograms. They book bands into\nthe Pit Pub (campus bar) every\nThursday night and often recommend bands to UBC clubs for their\nfunctions. (The street address is the\nsame as CiTR's, just address it to\n\"AMS Programs\").\n9) Don't call and request your\nown songs for on-air play. Our programmers are not stupid and will\nusually react negatively to such a\nrequest. Do, however, drop off an\nadditional tapeforspecificprogram-\nmers who play your genre of music,\nto ensure that they are aware of\n10) Advertise your gigs and\nreleases in Discorder. For free gig\nlistings i n \"Datebook,\" submit your\ninformation in writing by the 15th\nof the montii. You may want to\npurchase a display ad: the rates are\nlow and we offer a 20% discount to\nlocal, independent bands.\n11) Every year CiTR, CJSF,\nCFRO, and CFUV send delegates\nto the annual National Campus\/\nCommunity Radio Conference. Our\ndelegates traditionally take yourre-\nleases with them and distribute them\nto tlie rest ofthe attending stations.\nThishelps reduce your mailing cost\nand lielps when you are ready to\ntour across Canada This year's conference will be held in Fredericton\nin June.\n12) CiTR has a complete database of C\/C radio stations in\nCanada and of many college stations in the States. The Canadian\ndirectory is available to any band\nfor$4(this covers the printing cost).\nIf you are interested in the US stations call meand I'll arrange to give\nyou the information.\n13) CiTR (and CJSF) also\nhave a database of more than 3500\nrecord labels around tlie world. If\nyou want to send your demo to\nRubbish Recordings in Germany,\ncall me and I'll give you the ad-\n14) Drop off your stickers at\nCiTR and distribute them to our\nprogrammers. Most programs have\na mailbox in which you can leave\nyour gig flyers, band propaganda\nand, ifyou Uke, your demo tape in.\n15) Discorder doesn't usually do a feature article on a local\nband until they have been around\nfor a while and are well-known.\nRemember, _\/\/of Discorder's writers are volunteers, and if no one\nwants to write about your band we\ncan't make them. However, ifyou\nare going on tour and are interested\nin writing a tour diary, call the ed..\n16) Discorder has published\na local music directory for the past\ntwo years in the July issue. We are\ncurrently collecti ng information for\nthe next edition. Make sure you\nsend in the correct informationsome\ntime before the deadline. (My guess\nis that the deadline will be at the\nbeginning of June, but watch for\nads in the spring).\n17) Shindig, in actuality, is\njust an opportunity for free promotion. Whether you win or lose\ndoesn't really matter tliat much,\n(some very talented bands have\n\"lost\" Shindig in the past). All we\nwant to do is give your band the\nopportunity to play live and be promoted on the air, in the Discorder\nads, on posters and in press releases. Sure, three bands winaprize\nal the end, but hopefully all the\nbands will be a little more familiar\nto our listeners, programmers and\nreaders when it's all said and done.\n18) Go to other bands' gigs!\nThis has notliing to do with how to\ntake advantage of the promotional\nopportunities at CiTR but some of\nyou seem to be under the mistaken\nimpression that there is a limited\namount of fame and fortune available in Vancouver. Quit bitching\nabout bands that have a record deal\nor have just released an album. It\nmay lookto you like they got a free\nride, but in reality, they worked\ndamnhardfortheirsuccess. Maybe\nyou don't like their music. Who\ncares? Other people obviously do\nand that's good not only for tliat\nband but for all local bands. Until\nthe local scene begins to work together and encourages people to\nattend a show no matter who is\nplaying, this scene will not grow.\n19)SinceI'vealready strayed\nfrom CiTR and Discorder insights\nI'll go on to another absolutely ridiculous complaint I've heard: \"Independent labels only sign you if\nyou know them well, are related to\nthem, or work with them.\" Any\nlabel that decides who to get involved with only on the basis that\nthey are friends is not going to stay\nin business long. If you don't like\nthe way the existing local independent labels work, start yourown\nand quit your whining.\n20) Finally, ifyou don't like\nthe options that I've outlined, join\nthe station. CiTR and Discorder are\nonly as good as the people who\ndevote their time and energy to us.\nI'm sure that a lot of people\nwill find it hard to believe that CiTR\nand Discorder are such caring and\nconcerned folks. That's fine. I*m\njust tired of having to explain why\nsome bands receive the support of\nCiTR and others don't. It's up to\nyou. Don't blame us.\nLinda Scholten,\nCiTR Station Manager\nDECEMBER Q HITCHING A RIDE ON\nTHE TURNIP TRUCK\nDemi\nKimberly Rowan meets Urge Overkill: sycophancy, melodrama, hypocrisy, egotism, shit writing...\nWe could write a Ph. U thesis\non the flaws in Ms. Rowan's \"testimonial\" but we couldn't be bothered to\ntake up two pages in Discorder. Suffice it to say, anyone who would put\nforth the doubtful imageof UrgeOver-\nIrill as \"sex ____\u00a3_\" at the first of her\n\"stoned and hysterical\" meetings with\nthem lias fallen off one track too many.\nMoreover, the 'Urge OverkuT\ns-of-Satan' angle (like\nthey're\nit for\nonly accredits them with a prepotency\nbeyond their due but has fuck-all to do\nwith reviewing their show. As if a\nreview ever was l_r intent. More likely,\nshesceks self-aggrandizement through\nmelodramatic contact with so-called\nrock gods. She even presumes to advise them on career matters and on\n\"what women want\". Attempting lo\nslut one's way into Urge Overkill's\nbed under Discorder's aegis isn't likely\ntobring her the \"utmost of respect\" she\nAs for wanting to avoid dirtying\nher hands bynot \"pass ing publicjudge-\nment\" on the Town Pump kitchen conflict, it's obvious more than her hands\nare dirty. Who cares about her judgement on Urge Overkill or UO themselves, for that matter? We suspect\nDiscorder is hard up for decent writing if it will indulge long-winded, trivial\nspew like Ms. Rowan's.\nL. Browne\nAiriiead:\nHad to write to say how much I like\nKimberly J. Rowan's article on\nURGE. It made me laugh out loud.\nIn a public place even!\nAlthough, not an URGE fan myself, I enjoyed her honest love\/hate\nrant ings over the band.\nGreat writing - hope to see\nLove 'em or hate 'em, Discorder is\ngiving you the opportunity to win\nsome fabulous prizes. Up for grabs\nare FOUR CD copies of Teenage\nFanclub _ newest release, 13, and\nONE autographed copy of Urge\nOut With Soap\" contest c\/o Dis\ncorder Magazine, rmf233-6138Sub\nBlvd, Vancouver, B.C.. V6T1Z1\nAll entries received by January 14, 1994 will be eligible to win.\nHint: creativity wins these contests,\nnot plagiarism or persistence. Good\nluck!\nTAKE TWO OF THESE...\nDear Paul,\nRe: Review of BOB'S YOUR UNCLE'S Cages album\nWhile BOB'S YOUR UNCLE remain one of my favourite Canadian\nbands and I wish them well in all\ntheir future endeavours, I must take\nexception to your reviewer Grant\ndo DncorT\u00ab^ag_zin-|\n. nn #233-6138 Sub Bird..\nURGE9VERK-U. :\"';;;\"\"\n\"That Boy Should Have His Mouth Washed Out With Soap\"\ncontest\nJ_ TESTING QUESTION\nil> was ki front of you, m\n1, and you had a b _ wad of d\nyou .tick It? On \u00ab piece of tull-.cap\nOverkill'\u00bb Saturation, on limited edition orange vinyl! All that we require you to do is complete the above\nentry ballot, ensuring to include your\nreturn address and check the appropriate prize box, and mailit to \"That\nBoy Should Have His Mouth Washed\nLawrence's comments in your October issue of Discorder. First of all,\nIntrepid is not a major label and,\nsecondly, BOB's YOUR UNCLE\nwas not \"fucked over\" by either Intrepid or our distributor EMI Music\nPacific Legal\nEducation Associate\nPHONE\n291-0049\nVOLUNTEERS\nNEEDED\nAre you an outgoing, spontaneous\nman or woman over the age of 19\nwith a never-say-die attitude and a\ngood sense of humour?\nWe are a non-profit society that\nhelps young offenders and children\naged 8 to 12 who are at risk of getting\ninto trouble.\nIf you have about three hours per\nweek available for at least the next\nsix months we'd really like to hear\nfrom you. We believe that one-to-one\ninteraction with a well-adjusted adult\ncan improve the behaviour of a\ntroubled child.\nInterested? Please call us todav.\n6 5_-\u00a3Rg_SGi3_3\nCanada. Intrepid shot a video for\ntheir song \"Walk On Land\", spent\nmoney on promoting the album and\ngenerated \"a ton of press\". Unfortunately, Sook-Yin took sick and the\nband was able to undertake only a\npartial tour to support the album.\nIntrepid also gave the band CDs and\ncassettes to sell off the stage. Our\ndeal with the band was only for the\n\"Tale of 2 Legs\" album. Grant Lawrence's review imparls a far more\nsinister scenario which is not the\ncase and for which he has no justification. Your paper and our label are\nboth out to support Canadian independent music. I don't see any value\nin propagating the age-old Vancouver \"good\", Toronto \"bad\" debate\nBest regards,\nGraham Stair-\nIntrepid Music Group\nToronto, Ontario\nFor the sake of argument we '11 say\nthat Mr. Lawrence's review \"im-\nunjustified at that, in regards to Intrepid's association with Bob _ Your\nUncle. However, with all that _ been\nsaid, it still makes me wonder why\none-time label-mates, the\nRheostatics are removing their back-\ncatalogue from the Intrepid label?\nOr why their acclaimed Greatest\nHits album with an impeccable track\nrecord was re-released independently by the band? It remains to be\nseen whether Intrepid's practises\nare \"good\" or\"bad, \" surely they're\nDear Airiiead,\nI found these aspirin in my favorite\nvillage in Thailand (Muaing Thai).\nDouglas\nDear Airiiead:\nGolly, Shindig is a wonderful thing.\nBands get to try out in front of a jury\nof tlieir peers, facing off against other\nbands in a contest of both machismo\nand rockability. Bands triumph,\nbands fail, bands struggle along like\nworthless pieces of chemical goop\nflowing out into Coal Harbour.\nI was at a table of esteemed\njudges at the last Shindig, which\nfeatured Rusty Nails (a Doobie\nBrothers for our times), Elvis Love\nChild (a Blood Circus\/Neurosis for\n1988) and Eric Estrada and the Velour Nation (a misplaced Bowie\/Joy\nDivision\/Wedding Present amalgam\nwho were at least a solid second in\nmy book). But I didn't have a book,\nand because I wasn't a judge, I had\nnothing to do with Rob's shitty band\nplacing a miserable and humiliating\nthird.\nWhile I was giggling at the\nband antics between sets, Rob, the\nexcellent bass player from Elvis\nLoveCliild was listening to me make\nfun of his intensely stupid Sub-Pop\nrip-off band, and I gotta confess, I\nwas pretty caustic. So after tlie show,\nhe tried to embarrass me by introducing himself to me in a glad-tiand-\ning asshole you-owe-me-respect\nkind of way. I told him his band\nsucked. He was right pissed off after\nthat. Tried to convince me I was\nbeing disrespectful of Ins penny ante\ngrunge-rock idiot combo by saying\nthis wasn't his only band, he played\nin a jazz-fusion band. I told him that\nthat had nothing whatsoever with\nhis band being as shitty as it was,\ndespite my fervent desire to denounce jazz-fusion., We continued\narguing about my right to beUeve\nthat his band sucked, until it became\nplain that he had a dork-like urge to\nbeat me senseless, and told me as\nmuch while calling me \"bro\" (he\nplays funky bass so he's gotta be\nblack) and making hand gestures\nout of The Godfather. Because I was\nsitting by a window, he stood out\nthere on Dunsmuir Street staring a\nme while his band loaded out, daring me to come out and get my head\nkicked in for grunge-rock. Fortunately he was intimidated by the\ndaring staff of The Railway Oub\n(God bless them) and drove away in\nhis tiny hatchback.\nWhat I'm getting at is that no\nmatter how obnoxious your critic is,\nbeating him up is probably a bad\nidea, especially if he's me. Rob\nyou're adorkin ways 1 can't begin to\ndescribe, and if you can't handle\nsomeone thinking your music is bad,\nmaybe you should beat yourself up\nfor sucking so bad instead of threatening to beat someone up for telling\nyou you suck so bad. I didn't have\nanything to do with you coming in a\ndisastrous third, and I certainly\ncouldn' t be heard over the dumbshits\nwho worshipped you as you ground\nout your pathetic excuse for new\nImagine going out with your friends\non a Friday night to see a couple of\nlocal bands. You figure you're to go\nto a bar, have a drink or two, and\ndance off the pressures ofthe week.\nYou'd assume that upon entering a\nbar, the staff of that establishment\nwould treat you with a certain amount\nof respect, since you are spending\nThis is exactly what happened\nto us on Friday, October 29, 1993 at\nTHE LUNATIC FRINGE. NOT!!!!\nFrom the second we arrived in the\nline up, things were strange. We\nweren't asked to form a line, while\nwe waited to enter the club. We were\nviolently screamed at \"To keep outside, and stand directly against the\nwall!!\" We laughed at the bouncers'\nhigh strung attitude and wrote it off\nto them having a bad hair day. As we\napproached the upstairs bar, it was\ndemanded that we check our coats. I\nexplained that I'd prefer to wear my\ncoat, because I was carrying my\nRather than explain the bars\n\"Coat Check Policy\" to me, the\nbouncer rudely informed me \"If you\ndon't like it, you can leave!!\" I responded bytellinghimthat wasn' t a\ncool way to speak to a customer. He\nthen told me I could go fuck myself.\nI suggested that the entire staff was\nmusic. Your brainless friends love\nyou, so take consolation and keep\nplaying those killer bass riffs buddy!\nMike\nVancouver, B.C.\nP.S. I'd appreciate you Discorder\ntypes keeping my last name and\naddress confidential because moron-boy seemed extremely driven.\nSorry indie-rock pals, I' m just not as\ntrusting as I used to be.\n\/ sympathize with you, Mike, because I went th rough a simila r situ -\nation with Dave from Dead Surf\nKiss. I don't think the threat of me\never getting pounded on was quite\nimminent (maybe it was.. ? maybe it\nwdlbe.. ?)but I had to put up with his\nsnide retorts and \"Ifyou 'retryingto\nbreak-uptheband...\" speeches every\ntimehesawme. The best thing about\nall of it was that said scenario usually occurred in the presence of my\nfriends or girlfriend and their responses were akin to that of seeing a\npuppy wrapped up in his own leash.\nThat alone is worth living in fear.\nDo rememberthat the pen is mightier\nthan the sword. By the way, you 've\nmet the criteria for a \"Shindig\" columnist\/judge, can we count on you\nnext year?\nrattier hostile toward the clientele.\nAccording to him, that was because\n\"They aren't doing what they're sup\nposed to do!!\" \"Charmed,\" I said.\nBut the fun doesn't stop here. We\nconsidered leaving, but we really\nwanted to check out the bands, so we\nWhen the King Singleman\nstarted their set, a woman began\ndancing in front of the stage. Because she was enjoying the music,\nshe got on the first step of the stage\nand continued todance in a very non\nthreatening way.\nA bouncer, who was ten times\nthe size of this woman, not only\nescorted her offstage, but escorted\nher out of the bar. She was the girlfriend of one of the band members.\nThe next band, Stone Groove,\nstarted to play their set. They were\nguaranteed a full set, and half way\nthrough were informed that this\nwould be their last song. The singer\nwas upset by this, and threw down a\nmic stand. He himself, after tlie fact,\nagreed that this wasn't the best way\nto handle the situation. However, it\ndid not warrant the kind of insanity\nthat followed. Out of nowhere, a\nvery large bouncer, rushed the stage,\nand began punching the singer i n the\nface. Friends of the band rushed the\nstage to help their friend out. The tt thing we knew, every bouncer\ne, and proceeded\nto beat up men and women, both\ninside the club, and continued it out\nin the alley. I'd also Uke to add that\nthese bouncers were considerably,\nlarger, and stronger than the people\nsimply stepping in to help\ntheir friend. Eventually the pohce\ncame. I issued a\nofficer, who didn't write anything\ndown, and walked away without\ncomment when I was finished.\nI truely do not understand how\na bar that treats their ci\nthey are doing them a\nallow them into their establishment\n($8.00 cover charge - $4.50 for a\nbottle of beer), but on if they behave!! And if they don't line up\ncorrectly, dance correctly, or speak\nectly, they will be verbally\nabused, and possibly beaten up. I\ndon't get it! DON'T GO THERE!!\nJill Girling\nKim Ritz\nVancouver, B.C.\nBelieve me, your complaint is not\nthe first that I've heard (surely not\nthe last) centered around the Lunatic Fringe. Discorder has hada longstanding problem with the club and\nits personnel so we're not only familiar with how irresponsible and\nunfriendly their business ethic is,\nbut we delight in supporting your\nposition to not patronize the club at\nall. If more people and bands familiarized themselves with the problems surrounding the operation of\nthe Lunatic Fringe, many would\nprobably think twice about patronizing or playing there again. Even\nwith the live venue scene of Van\nt such a sorry state of affairs do\nyou really have to submit yourself to\nabusive and rude staff, and the uncertainty of whether or not your\nband will be permitted to finish thei r\nset, get beat up or, in the very least,\nWORLDS AWAY?\nI saw your magazine and I Uke\nvery much. So, I decided\nyou. Well, we got a big problem\n\u2014 we recorded 10 new tracks in\nAug. '93. and now weare looking\nfor a pubUsher. It's impossible to\nmake LP or CD in our country\ntoday. There are many\nUN-sanctions against Yugosli\nbecause of the stupid pohtics of\n\"our\" leaders, economic disaster,\ninflation about 1,5000,000,000 %\nfor 1993., fuckin' warm our neighbourhood... so, people are\ninterested in surviving than in music (making records \u2014especially\n> hard core band). It's very\nhard to Uve here today but it's\nharder to keep on playin'. B ut this\nis our way to protest \u2014 to say\n\"NO\" to the war,\ndia, sick pohtics, bUnd \"people\"\n& all the negative things in this\nworld (and\nwe decided to try to do everything\nthe band. So, I'm\nasking you for help; I'm asking\nyou to ask some record-labels if\nthey are interested in pubhshing\nYugoslavian band \u2014 and,\nplease, let me know!!!\nI'm sending you our \"info\"\nand if you want you may publish\nit in your magazine. If you are\ninterested in getting\ninformations about our band (our\nitry?), interview, photos,\npromo-tape, or scene report \u2014\nDarko: We send this magazine to\n553 record labels, independent\nandotherwise, on a regular basis.\nI hope this assists Dead Ideas in\nfinding an interestedparty to publish\/distribute their material.\nDECEMBER 0 FRIDAY, DEC. 10TH\natthe\nCRUEL ELEPHANT\nStation Street Arts Centre\n930 Station St.\nThe night we finally give away the loot!\n1st\n-Opening slot on a Perryscope bill\n\u2022 -24 hours of 24 track studio time at Bullfrog Studios\n\u2022 -24 hours of 24 track studio time at Mushroom Studios\n_f__ __\u25a0 mmvmh \"48 hours of 16 track studio Hme at dountown sound studios\n2nd PRIZE: $150 Gift Certificate (on $300 min purchase)\nat Mothers Music\n\u2022-24 hours of 8 track studio time at Renegade Studios\n\u2022 -24 hours of 8 track studio time at Deadoeat studios\nbrings to a close another 18 weeks of\nVancouvers finest band competition. Thanks\nto all the bands, the fans, and the sponsors. You\nwere swell! A special HURRAH! goes out to our\nregular venue, The Railway Club.\ndowntown ZSNEQAoS STUDIOS QZOUP\n\u00b0T sound\nstudios\na\\o i hi:i_ s aviish: 0\n0\n0\n$\nm\n$\n\u00a9Hindi*!\nItSGotthe\nHeat\/\nANDTHE\nBeat\/\n-por your\nhappiest\ntime \/\nThere is a feeUng among certain\nindividuals in this town that CiTR,\nDiscorder and Shindig! are not doing their job of supporting local talent. I disagree. CiTR radio has long\nbeen a supporter of local talent.\nAnnual events such as Shindig! and\nDJ Sound War give many of Vancouver's bands a first (and sometimes only) chance at public performance. At any given time you\nwill find over one hundred local\ndemos carted in CiTR's on-booth,\nas well as a monthly column devoted specifically to this city's musical product, called \"Vancouver\nSpecial\" in the very pages of this\nDiscorder. I'm also sure that the\nnumber of local gigs we present\ncompares quite favourably with\nCJSF (the other college radio sta-\nWith all this in mind, I question what these people found their\nopinions on. Is it sour grapes because their friends' bands keep getting knocked out of Shindig!? Perhaps they are just confused with the\nwords local talent. Not all local bands\nequate with 'local talent.\" Simply\nbecause a band is from Vancouver\ndoes not deem them worthy of support [Look at the mess Seattle got\nitself into. \u2014 Ed.] Supporting\npoor bands does nothing more\nthan breed a scene ripe with bad\nbands. This benefits no one. If a\nband sucks they deserve, and\nshould expect, the criticism they\nreceive. And those who might pay\nto see such a band have the right to\nbe warned.\nPraise must be earned. Drawing attention to a band by putting\nthem on the cover of your magazine,\nplacing them in a profile column, or\nadding them to your playlist regardless oftheir musical merit is destructive. Discorder and CiTR support\ngood bands. The rest we leave to\nother dishrag operations.\nJustin Leigh\nMusic Director\nCiTR Radio\nRusty Nails\nElvis Love Child\nEric Estrada and the Velour Nation\nOctober 26,1993\nFeeling a little under the weather, I\nventured yet again into the Railway\nClub for another taste of what is fast\nbecoming one of the most controversial Shindig!s of recent memory.\nHitting the stage first was Rusty\nNails. Due to a misunderstanding\nthis trio only had a few hours to\nprepare for a turn at the Shindig!\nroulette wheel. Holding their heads\nhigh, Rusty Nailsservedafull course\nof raw, sloppy, loose rock and roll.\nMusic-to-spill-beer-by with killer\nvocals and great stage presence.\nFollowing Rusty Nails was\nElvis Love Child: a nice bunch of\nguys with a lot of friends and the\nworlds most annoying manager. Vol\nume is a problem for this band\u2014too\nmuch of it. The Railway is just not\nthe environment for this kind of band.\nThe sound and doormen both retreated to the stairwell where I was\nrecovering.\nDuring \"Jokes For Beer\" I\nsampled one of Liane's fine tube\nsteaks and ventured back into the\nclub where I was accosted by a young\nwoman who introduced herself as\nElvis Love Child's manager. Apparently she was worried that the\nband wasn't being judged fairly because she had seen judges leave as\nsoon as the band started to play. I\nassured her that I had been in the\nstairwell the entire time and that no\njudges had left the club during Elvis\nLove Child's set. I then asked her\nhow she knew who the judges were.\nShe had a \"hunch.\" Whatever. I still\ndon't understand why relatively\n\"small\" local bands have managers.\nFinishing the evening was Eric\nEstrada and the Velour Nation.\nCatchy name. Four unassuming\nyoung chaps that delivered the most\nconfusing set ofthe evening. It was\npop but I' m still not sure where these\nguys were coming from. The mix\nwas all rhythm section (hea vy on the\ncymbals) and the singer was a Joy\nDivision throwback. Nonetheless,\nthey placed first followed by Rusty\nNails.\nFor comic relief Elvis Love\nChild, upset with the\njudges' decision, tried to\npick a fight with\nthey were convinced\nwas a judge but wasn' t,\nthen set their manager\nloose on me again. Ob- '\nviously under-qualified for her job, she began to whine and misrepresent facts. I couldn't\nhelp but wonder if it was\nJason Schreurs in drag.\nJustin Leigh \u201e\nTen Days Late\nStovebolt\nAngry Candy\nNovember 2,1993\nThe worst thing about Shindig is\nhaving two good bands compete\nagainst each other i n the preliminary\nrounds. On another night either\nwould win but, because ofthe nature\nof the competition, one has to lose\nearly in the event. Bummer.\nTen Days Late waged battle\nfirst. Well written songs with an\nedge and onstage confidence helped\nthese ladies walk away with smiles\non their faces and hope in their hearts.\nNew York pop a la Biondie meets\nMetallica. First place, and parents in\nthe audience were proud.\nStovebolt were next and this\nwas the heartbreaker. These guys\nrock. They're young, they're headed\nin the right direction and they'll only\nget better. \"Dischord recording artists\" would look good in front of\ntheir name. They placed second by a\nsingle point, accepting this with class\nthat other bands could take a lesson\nfrom. Catch them if you can.\nThird place and third up was\nAngry Candy. Tlieir set began with\nstrong pop but soon fizzled into average bar band fare. This works well\nin the Railway Club but is not worthy of advancement in Shindig!.\nJustin Leigh\nDeprogrammers\nSinus Envy\nDelve\nNovember 9,1993\nAnd the Shindig! train rolled on.\nThe Deprogrammers, Sinus Envy,\nDelve and you. It is truly beautiful.\nThis evening's performances were\nexceptional. Exceptional in the sense\ntliat for the first time this year tlie\nconductors of Shindig!, tlie judges,\ndecision as to\nfl*\\ who would\nbe driving\nvocals. \"Visually interesting post-\napocalyptic chaos,\" one observer\nSecond in our Railway saga\nappeared Sinus Envy, the \"damsel\nin distress\" contingent. You know,\nthe one tied down to the railroad\ntracks, helpless and screeching. The\nonlookers scared to see the poor\ndear pulverized by the oncoming\ntrain but, at the same lime, watching\nand holding their breath until the\ninevitable gory end. Sinus Envy, a\nself-parodying group, played tlie\njoke on themselves. As a famous\ndoorman once said, \"if these guys\nweredoing \"Jokes For Beer,\" they'd\nget non-alcoholic beers.\" In the end,\nas the train bore down, the more\nSinus Envy screamed andshuddered,\ntlie more anxious the audience was\nto witness tlie ultimaleSliindig! ending: third place.\nDelve: a smoking steam engine of British-style pop, compara-\nbletoSuede and the Charlatans UK,\nconducted the mass of enthusiastic\nfans on a downward spiral of musical hairpins wliich careened left,\nright, left... Although some comments suggested Delve's style is far\ntoo derivative, tlieir musical ability\nand stage presence will give diem a\ngood seat to Shindig! finals. And\nI'm not talking in Ihe caboose, ei-\nPipedream, a dreamy sandscape that\nsounded too much Uke Spaceman 3\nfor my taste. They did their own\nthing and didn't give a shit what\nanybody thought about their music,\nwhich is cool. Their lighting system\nbrought back hallucinogenic experiences from days of old.\nNext up was Aging Youth\nGang: old-school punkrawk preaching new world visions, such as the\nusefulness of Star Trek. They also\nwrite songs about killing baby\nboomers and being pushed around\none time too many by \"the man.\".\nLook for them soon in a column by\nJason Schreurs, the \"Mother\nTheresa\" of local music.\nLast on stage was Hugo, who\nlooked like vultures swooping down\non rotten meat. They were a breath\nof fresh air after an e veni ng tliat left\nthe Railway Club smelling like\ndumpster juice. Tlieir music was\none-part melody, two-parts head\nshakin' rock-riffs, and three-parts\nwholesome Tom Foolery...a recipe\neven the Frugal Gourmet could not\nresist. Any band who has a front\nman widi black, patent leather pants\nand a proudly displayed Trooper t-\nsliirt are bound for stardom.\nproverbial freight train to fhe semi\nfinals. Roll on.\nAn industrial band called The\nDeprogrammers began the evening\nwith an impressive stage collection\nof smoky visuals, assorted noisemakers, a clanging oil drum and car\nrim amid steel chains and wailing\nPipedream\nAging Youth Gang\nHugo\nNovember 16,1993\nThis was Uie third Shindig! I've attended this year, and this night's\nturnout was probably the weakest\nyet. And this is the semi-finals...?\nThe snowball started rolling with\nHugo took home\nthe curling trophy, followed by\nPipedream and Aging Youth Gang.\nSee you at tlie finals.\nCaptain Highliner\n*$*\nW\nDECEMBER Q ra when live-ac\nTis holiday time again here in the joyous\nland of Discorder, the month of year when\neveryone conies into our humble office with\na smile on their face and a glow in their heart.\nIt could be that their smile originates from\nthe knowledge that they'll soon be away\nfrom this pit of ultimate torture; the glow in\ntheir heart bums from the double vodka and\nseven they just quaffed at yet another celebratory luncheon. But in the spirit of the\nseason, let's be generous and attribute lo\neveryone only the noblest of intentions.\nThe free time will undoubtedly be\npassed around unsparingly not just to us\nhappy folk at Discorder but to some of you\nhappy readers. Chances are you'll be taking\nsome of that free time and filling it with\nmany fulfilling hours of staring blankly at\nthe television. Good on 'ye! There is no\nbetter mind unraveller than visual entertainment someone else has spent months of days\nand billions of dollars to provide you wifh.\nDon't waste too much of your hard earned\nloafing on TV programming.\nThose small screen tycoons don't\ncare enough about you, the discerning viewer, to gamer your undivided attention. Eventually,\nyou'll have to venture forth\nyour local video barn, wade\nthrough fhe masses of screaming\nkids (\"No, mummy, not that Batman), and sift through shelf upon\nshelf of titles. I wouldn't be so\ncruel as to send you to the front\nlines, or back shelves, alone. In\nprevious Discorder issues I have\nguided you through the wonderful\nvideo wilderness (that was not an\nendorsement).Thismonth we continue our trek.\nThis is the one season,\nabove all others, when the lies of\nfamily bind. No mailer how much\nyou avoid your relatives during\nthe course of the year the final few\nweeks of that\n365-day cycle signal fhe necessity\nof at least one visit wifh kin, if\nonly to pick up your loot and some\nfree mandarin oranges. Thus, at\nthis, the time of the traditional\njourney back to the bosom of your\nloved ones, let \"Videophilter\" enlighten you\nas to your video options in the mammarial\nvein. This month's film topic? Directors\nwith breast fetishes.\nSeeking out breast-minded filmmakers was nol as easy a task as it may sound.\nThe advent of feminism has made the genre\nsomewhat less than PC. Of Ihe three directors I eventually chose all had their respective hey-days two or more decades ago and\nalbeit by their own design. I discounted the\nJames Bond series as a genre unto itself and\nthe work of Blake Edwards as too pedestrian\nfor fhe likes of Discorder readers and was\nleft wifh only Russ Meyer, Federico Fellini,\nand Doris Wishman as my subjects. I have to\nthank the helpful lads at Videomatica on W.\n4th Ave. for Iheir assistance in discovering\nthe work of Ms. Wishman. If they hadn't\nbeen able, when told of my quest for breasts,\nlo suggest Deadly Weapons and Bad Girls\nGo to Hell , I might have been forever\nignorant of Wishman's contribution to the\npre-pora independent movie industry.\nAs I was informed by Joe Bob Briggs,\nhost and creator of Ihe \"Sleaziest Movies in\nIhe World\" video series, Doris Wishman\nwas the only woman working in Ihe bad boys\ngame of sexploitation flicks in the '60s and\n'70s. She made her first film in 1961 for\n$20,000 and quickly found out just how\nmuch the public liked films of dubious mo\nrality. Wishman pioneered the \"nudie-camp\"\ngenre in the early sixties and then moved on\nto \"Roughies\" in 1964.\nBad Girls Go to Hell (1965) is billed\nas a typical \"Roughie.\" An innocent (in this\ncontext meaning incredibly stupid) woman,\nEllen, is raped by her building's janitor. The\njanitor threatens her with exposure of her\n\"infidelity\" to her husband if she doesn't\nagree to come to his apartment. She does.\nAnd as he rapes her again she kills him.\nFearing antst as a murderess she runs away\nto New York where she gets beaten by the\nfirst person who takes her in and seduced by\nthe next, a lesbian. (We know she's a lesbian\nas soon as we see her because she's wearing\nthe so-called lesbian uniform: a see-through,\nblack lace body stocking.) As is usual in a\nDoris Wishman production there's a twist\nending. Also, as usual,\nquite a few\nThe whole\nthing sounds rather\ndisturbing on paper\nbut fhe impact of Bad\nGirls Go to Hell as a\nharrowing indictment\nof the treatment of\nthe pre-lib\ndays is severely undermined by the fact\nthat fhe film is so bad.\nIt's not difficult to see\nwhat attracted audiences, however, in an e\npom was not allowed.\nAfter \"Roughies\" Wishman moved\nonto \"Kinkies.\" Feeling liberated by the box\noffice totals for nudie-camp films and\n\"Roughies,\"\"Kinkies\" featured even rougher\nsex, usually S&M. Eventually, Wishman\nstopped putting her name on her films because she didn't want to be associated with\nthe violence.\nIn 1970, pom was about to be spawned\nand Doris Wishman was not one lo be out of\nstep with the times. One of her features of\nfhat year was Deadly Weapons starring Bur-\nlesquequeen Chesty Morgan. Chesty was an\nIsraeli actress who emigrated to America in\nthe late 1960's and found a calling. Her 73\"\nbust line made her a marketable commodity\nin the country where \"bigger is better\" is a\nnational motto. Regardless of the fact that\n73\" of flabby, sagging veined fat is wholly\nChesty became one of the big-\nirs of her sphere.\nIn Deadly Weapons , she plays the\nloving girlfriend of a mobster\nwhose boss nibs him out when\nhe tries to run a double-cross.\nChesty hears the murder take\nplace over the phone and decides to avenge her honey's\ndeath with the only two weapons she has. Ifyou ever felt Ihe\nneed to see a women smother\nmen to death with her mammary glands, Deadly Weapons\nwill be a worthy rent. It's certain ly much more laughably bad\nthan Bad Girls Go to Hell, but\nPalm D'Or calibre it's not.\nDeadly Weapons also has the\nunique distinction of being the\nfilm fhat shot 70's pom god\nHarry Reames into the public\neye.\nThe work of Doris\nWishman is of dubious artistic\nsignificance but it certainly provides the budding amoral entrepreneur with a blueprint for success. All of Wishman's films\nmade money because she provided fhe public with what they\nwanted to see (tits and kinky\nsex) and made sure she didn't\nspend any money doing it. She wrote, produced, directed, cast and edited all her features. Usually, she just thought up a kinky\ntitle (Too Much, Too Often , Double Agent\n73 ), then thought up a marketing scheme\naround the title and then wrote the film.\nIn a 1990 interview, it was suggested\nto Wishman that her films were early feminist statements because she often, like in\nDeadly Weapons , showed women taking\ncontrol. She laughed at the idea and said that\nall her girls were airheads. Doris Wishman\nwas not so much a filmmaker as a visionary\nbusinessperson who made films.\nHalfway around the world and 180\ndegrees around the film spectrum, Federico\nFellini, like Wishman, had his cinematic\npeak in the '60s and '70s. His work also\nfeatured large bosomed ladies. And\nsmall bosomed ladies.\nAnd aged ladies. And\nyoung ladies. As\nRoger Ebert says in the\n1990 vi\nif his\nHome Movie Compan-\nThe theme, woman's sexuality simultaneously frightening and attracting men, repeats itself throughout Fellini's work. In\nfeatures like Amacord, the nostalgic tone\nsoftens the unabashed sexism of fhe director. However, feminism hit even Italy (machismo headquarters) eventually and\nFellini's patronizing and objectifying attitude towards women began to come under\nsome critical scrutiny. City of Women was\nhis 1981 answer to that criticism.\nUnfortunately, the film works neither as a vindication ot fellini nor as a\ntitillating vehicle for Fellini's like-minded\nfans. A dream in two parts, Cify of Women\nsees the (again autobiographical) hero,\nGuido, get off his train before his destination\nin pursuit of an attractive female. The train\nleaves without him and he finds himself at a\nfeminist convention. For Ihe first half of the\nfilm, Guido wanders about the convention,\nlistening lo the ranting and ravings of Ihe\nliberated scnoras. The second part takesplace\n\"If there is a central\nimage in the work of\nFederico Fellini, it's of\nFellini's autobiographical hero being\nsmothered by women.\nThey come in all\nshapes and sizes...\"\nSeparating the movies of Doris Wishman and those of Fellini is\nfhe abyss called talent. Often inaccessible to\nIhe average movie going audience (the peons)\ndue to the films' preference for stunningly\nmemorable visuals over a strict narrative or\nan interesting plot, Fellini's pictures are de-\nservedly.placed among the cinema's greatest achievements by the sages in the criticism business. Though the adjective\n\"Felliniesque\" specifically describes a film\nwith an intense optical imagination and a\nwhimsical sensibility each Fellini fan has\nher\/his own favourite\nimage with which the\nman and his work are\nassociated. For me,\nthat lyrical Italian surname will always call\nto mind one particular\nscene from Amacord.\nAmacord(\\ Remember) was Fellini's\nmost autobiographical\nwork. It takes the\nviewer through a year\nin a \"typical\" rural Ital-\nallyconverges.likethe\nberg itself, in the town\nsquare but the various\ncomponents of the to\nalso. There are a group of adolescent lads Run AmA< wou]d seem |0 direc\"tly oppose\nwho make life difficult for their teacher every standard set by pr0gressjve thinking\nwhile pining, individually and en masse, for fllra aficlonados. Watching a Meyer breasl-\nthe fading beauty queen who may or may nol fest however can ^ a sub|ime expenencc\nhave had an affair with a prince but is, por me purposes of ^ coiam , viewed\nnotwithstanding her well-preserved good Fasler Pussycal m m, hut, ^ this\nlooks, still single. The assorted characters sum,,,.,-, wi cri|ique win cover mKt of me\nandinterconnectingplotlineswouldbemuch Meyer ijbrary\ntoo difficult lo explain here but serve well in Three g0.g0 danc.\ncreating excuses for Fellini's incomparable erSi Varna, Rosie, and\nimagery Bobbie (their proportions\nI would have to be a scribe on the ^c implied by their profes-\nlevel of Gabriel Garcia Marquez to be equal sjon) dr|vt. 0ul m|0 |ne\nto the task of relaying with language what deser, near i^ t0 look for\nFellini can achieve on the screen. It is suffice noub|e wA ^ their ma-\nto say that my favourite moment of Fellini- chines They get mt\u201e a race\nness, and one of Ihe main reasons I chose wilharespectablesportscar\nhim as a breast-centric director, involves fhe frea|( (a certified car club\nyoung hero of Amacord and a shopmistress member) and in the after-\nwith VERY large breasts. The hero is, of math Vama strangles him.\ncourse, Fellini as a boy. One night, as Ihe The trio lake his wide-eyed\nwoman is closing her shop, Ihe hero ducks bikini-clad girlfriend hos-\nunder the door at the last second, ostensibly lage because she witnessed\nto buy cigarettes. Their polite conversation me slaughter. On the way\ngets increasingly more suggestive until the back to LA, they leam of a\nwomanpullsoutoneofherHcupmammarys ^m recluse who lives\n(each is about the size of the lad's head), with (^ ^0 sonS| ^ good\nscreams, \"I know you boys love Ihem!\" and one ^ the ha|f.wi^ md a\npulls his face into her chest. As he suffocates ^^^ m of cash m ^\nshe shrieks, \"Suck, don't blow! Suck, don't desert ^ opportunity too\nblow!\" good to miss, the women\nThe hero escapes, of course, but the decide ,0 seek oul his hos.\nimage remains- firmly rooted in my mind. pitaiity ^ his wad\nIsewhere\nantithesis ofthe convention. As frivolous as\nfhe feminist speeches were serious, and just\nas silly, are the various sex gadgets that\nGuido's second host has lying around the\nCity of Women ultimately fails-\nthrough Fellini's lack of respect for tlie subject, feminism, lhat it sought lo discuss.\nHowever, his old-world attitude in no way\ndiscounts him as a master of Ihc arts of the\ncinema Nor does it denote a lack of respect\nfor femininity. In Ihe sphere of Fellini, femininity is one of the most potent, and thus\nterrifying, aspects of life.\nWhen speaking of terrifying femininity on\nfilm Russ Meyer\nimmediately comes to\nmind. Ifthere has been\na creative talent more\nobsessed wifh aggressive women with large\nbreasts they have not\nyet crossed my ken.\nThe proof of Russ\nMeyer's achievement\nis the existence of his\nwork among the guilty\npleasures of many a\nliberated boy and girl.\nThe synopsis of mosl\nRuss Meyer produc-\nBad Girls with BigTits inTighl Clothes\nWhat makes this melee of bad taste\nso scrumptious and even somewhat acceptable to a modem woman like myself is the\nsense of humour the film has about itself, as\nwell as fhe obvious clearmindedness of the\nwriter\/director. Meyer does not see women\nas objectified lumps of flesh His films feature passive and aggressive women, victims\nand oppressors, the evil and fhe good. Most\nof Meyer's female characters have only Iwo\nthings in common: their lack of vapidness\nand their above average chest endowment.\nAs the man himself says, big breasts jusl turn\nKitschy dialogue turns me on and fhe\nsecond Meyer feature fhat I imbibed, Beyond the Valley ofthe Dolls, was full of it.\nYou may know fhe forequoled Roger Ebert\nas fhe fat (he undoubtedly prefers un-bald)\nhalf of Siskcl & Ebert, but in 1970 Ebert and\nMeyer co-penned some of the greatest dialogue ever lo have rolled off the silver screen.\nThe story ofBeyond the Valley ofthe Dolls,\nabout Kelly, her band, first called The Kelly\nAffair and then fhe Carrie Nations, and her\nmanager\/boyfriend who journey lo LA to\nhang in the scene with Kelly's rich aunt,\nexists merely to facilitate such beautious\nlines as \"See how she gives her body to the\nritual. Delicious,\" \"Harris, you're drunk and\nyou're stoned, and, whai's more, you're a\nlousy lay,\" and, besl of all, \"This is- my\nhappening and il freaks me out!\"\n1970 audiences were hip lo Ihe Meyer\/\nEbert thing to the tune of $15 million dollars\nin box office receipts. From 1959, when he\nmade TTic Incredible Mr. Teas for $24,000\nand saw it gross $1 million, until 1979 Russ\nMeyer forged his way not only as an innovator in film bul as an independent filmmaker.\nOnly two (Beyond the Valley of the Dolls\nand 1971 *s The Seven Minutes) of his dozens of titles were made with studio cash. All\nturned a profit. In the latest interview with\nRuss Meyer that I read (in Details magazine,\nFeb. 1993), the director said that he had\ngiven up on the autobiographical movie (The\nBreast of Russ Meyer) thai he'd been working on since 1979 and was shopping around\nfor financing a sequel lo Beyond the Valley\nof Ihe Dolls which he and Ebert wrote in\n1990. Nol usually keen on sequels, this is\none I will be watching closely for.\nWhai's a nice feminist like me wril-\nmg aboul a subject like this for? As long as\nhelerosexual men have penii and access lo\nfilmmaking equipment, breasts will be featured on-screen. Il's up lo the discerning\nwoman to decide which trash to vocally\nobject lo and which lo fall in love with.\nPersonally, I'm glad that fhe productive days\nof Doris Wishman, and those of her ilk, are\nover. Fellini I willmissasafilmcriticbutnot\nnecessarily as a female fan. Russ, you ol'\ndevil you, pump one more oul, jusl for me.\nfi^ ^f ^k\nDECEMBER ^ There's a lot of punk rock history\nin Rancid. Formed from the fertile \"East Bay\" scene, Rancid\nare made-up of two ex members\nof Operation Ivy, one from an\nobscure East Bay band by the\nname of Smog, and their most\nrecent addition, second guitarist\nLars, who actually spent some\ntime with the U.K. Subs. One 7\"\non Lookout! and a full length\nrelease on Epitaph. Check out\nthem out...\nDiscorder: Ho w did the whole East\nBay scene start? Rancid are obviously a product of that.\nTim: It sort of took off in '87 with\nGilman Street (Maximum Rock 'N\nRoll's co-operative, volunteer run\nall-ages venue). The scene was basically dead until then. Then bands\nlike Crimpshine, Isocracy, Operation Ivy, Mr. TExpenence.andSweet\nBaby lesus started playi ng a lot. After\n.at, bands like Green Day and\nSamiam came along; Econochrist\nand some other bands moved into\nthe area and the scene just kind of\ndeveloped around Gilman Street.\nMatt: Gilman Street has been there a\nwhile and it is pretty much the only\nall-ages club that you can play in the\nEast Bay. It's the most stable. Things\nhave come and gone but that whole\nclub has been around for six years\nnow. Every year it's in danger of\nclosing for some reason or another,\nbut it's the club that won't die. It just\nwon't die. Peoplehave tried to kill it,\nbut it won't work, it's just there.\nThat's a big reason why the scene is\nso productive, there are a lot of good\nbands and people are really into it.\nWhen you all started with your\nbands you were all still in high\nschool. Was it a really close knit\nscene or was there a lot of competition between the bands?\nTim: It started off very friendly until\npeople started to figure out that\nmoney and attention could be made.\nThe competition got more intense\nand people got a lot more competitive, and a lot more lame. As Operation Ivy, we had a lot of pressure put\non us; people were straight-up jealous because we were \"successful.\"\nWe got a lot of heat from the scene\nthat had built us up.\nPeople got mad because people were\ncoming to see Operation Ivy and no\none knew who these kids from the\n:. A lot of bands got\nsuburbs \u00ab\njealous\nThese bands just didn't want to\nsee you grow and get bigger?\nMatt: I think they were just upset\nbecause they weren't getting bigger.\nEveryone started off at the same\nplace and for whatever reasons Operation Ivy took off.\nTim: A lot of those people who\ncriticized us, later formed pop-punk\nbands and tried to sell out as quickly\nas they could. In overview of the\nwhole situation you just realize that\nthey were jealous. People give Rancid shit. Fuck them, they're just\njealous.\nHave Rancid received any flak for\nputting out a record on Epitaph?\nIt's not a major label, it is an\nindependent, but by some Epitaph is conceived as being big and\ncorporate.\nTim: We've had a lot of interviews\nwith people suspecting that. Lookout! are still our friends.\nMatt: We have no problems with\nLookout!\nLars: I guess people relate Epitaph\nwith rock stardom. That's Bullshit.\nThe worst thing is to have that called\nat you. We're still \"street level,\" we're\nstill sticking true to our roots. We're\ntrue to ourselves and I think that's\nthe only thing that really matters.\nWe're playing the music that we\nwant to play. Whether you bke it or\nnot we're doing what we want.\nTim: Epitaph was much more interested inus than Lookout! was. Lookout! at first, didn't even really want\nto put out our first single. So, it's not\nlike, \"Why did you leave Lookout!?.\"\nMatt: Lookout! are still our friends.\nThey're still doing all of the Operation Ivy stuff. I think we'd be catching shit if we all of a sudden started\nplaying a lot more over 21 shows;\nalienating a lot of people and doing\nshows with high priced doors. We\ndon't really play any over 21 shows.\nWe don't. We'll play anywhere.\nWe'll play any party, it doesn't make\na difference to us. We're still a punk\nband, it doesn't really make a difference what label we're on. Epitaph\nlets us do whatever we want. They\nreally don't care. I think a lot of\npeople think that when you're on\nEpitaph you're going to turn into\nBad Religion or something. People\nare going to talk shit no matter what\nyou do. If we were on Lookout!\nthey'd find something to talk about.\nEveryone talks shit about everyone\nso it doesn't really make much of a\ndifference.\nHave you sold a lot of your record?\nIs it doing well? Is it getting good\nLars: It's doing really well. Every\nreview I've read has been positive\nabout it. That's good, but then again\nI didn't play on it...\nMatt: We were a three-piece for the\nfirst year-and-a-half of our existence. We did the record that way.\nWe just recorded a 14-song demo\nthat Lars play s on, and he Tl be on the\nnext record. Our live sound is fuller\nwith Lars. It's easier to interpret...it\njust sounds a lot better. It gives us\nmore room to jump around and sing,\ninstead of being tied down to a mike.\nThe rumor that I've heard is that\nGreen Day signed with a major\nlabel. Have they? Have they caught\nany flak for that?\nMatt: Yeah, they did. I like Green\nDay, but it's their business not mine.\nThey can do whatever they want,\nill say some\nthing aboutit, but Idon't think there's\nbeen a big backlash.\nTim: Ummm... there's been a backlash. They played ashow at the Phoenix Theatre and a few people \"boycotted\" it by passing out leaflets that\nsaid Warner Bros, is an evil corporation and punk bands shouldn't be\nassociated with such evil corporations. Then again, I really think that\npeople are just jealous of Green Day\nand they should get a life! Get your\nown band going and put your own\nband out on an independent label\nand stop worrying about how Green\nDay does their business.\nMatt: If you don't like Green Day\ndon't go see them. If you don't hke\ntheirrecord, don't buy it. Life is just\ntoo short to be worried about stupid\nshit like that.\nWhat do you want to do with Rancid? How far do you want to take\nit?\nMatt: We want to tour a lot. Our\nrecord should make that pretty possible. We'll see what happens. We\ntake it one day at a time. We just\nwant to put out good records, please\nourselves, and do the things that we\nwant to do.\nJEALOUS OF YOUTH\nlltHffi\nA Debut Independent Release:\n'fife \u00a3dge of Suitability''\nAvailable on CD and Cassette at: A&B, Sam's, Zulu,\nBlack Swan. Track, Boom CD. Scratch Records\nCD Release Party at the TOWN PUMP, Dec. 1st!\n12 __*\u00a3i_p?G_3i__Lrt BEING PISSED OFF NEVER\nostoWpidt\n\"ALqflfOF TALK\"\n\"IT'S OVER\"\n\"...a feedback-lade\n\\ masterpiece\"\n1\"\" \"...the best work he's evW done.\"\n1 - Soundcan (Impact)\n11 \"... 13 wonderful tales of anger, angst\n11 and alienation.\" Winnipeg Sun\n11 \"...a natural free-flowing rock vibe that\niJ pours from his fingers to his frets...\"\nECORDSIORE!\nSee Andrew Cash LIVE Dec. 10&11\nat the Vogue Theatre with Spirit of the West\nSENT BY:Xerox Telecopier 7021 Interview by Grant Lawrence : Intro by Mike Hoffman; 5:29PM i\nHorsey ve a\nMark: I\nthree-piece, lo-fi pop-\nLike the Modem lev\nfuzz band from Vancouver. They play\ners a lot. We never started out with any\nquirky, melodic songs with energy, and\nJustice: Well, they have this pill with purple\nkind of direction really. Wc just started.\nthey're just plain fun to watch! But be care\ncoating on iL.we'dget the purplestuffoff of\nful of Max, the drummer\u2014at Horsey's last\nit and there'd just be this white pill under\nTo the best of your ability how would\ngig, he was found outside the show climbing\nneath. We'd chop it up, melt it down and\nyou describe Horsey's music?\non railings and jumping off of cars. Don't let\ninject it!\nMax: A retarded dependent.\nthem scare you, though... Let's get to know\nHorsey!\nHow did it feel?!\nThe past projects you cats have been\nJustice: Ahhh...warm?\ninvolved in have broken up fairly quick\nDiscorder: Okay, teD mc your names and\nly: Thee Crusaders put out i double 7\"\ntke instruments you play.\nThanks for sharing that but, before I\nand broke up; Octatrackter put out a\nJustice: I'm Justice and, live, I play guitar\npuke, back to the subject at hand. You\n7\" and broke up. Are we as fans going\nand sing a couple songs. Recording-wise 1\njust released a hot Uttle 7\" on Trackshun\nto be a We to grow with you or are you\nplay the ukulele, keyboard and flute.\nRecords of Vancouver. What's that all\ngoing to break up in two months?\nMark: I'm Mark and 1 play bass and the cow,\nabout?\nJustice: I've never been in a band that has\na wooden thing that goes \"werrrplll wer-\nJustice: I run Ihe label but I get a lot of help\ngrown so much musically and individual\nrTplll.\" Max is our drummer and he isn't here\nfrom people. Scratch helps oul, Mark does\nly. This has really come together. We all\nyet.\nthe local distribution...! get the records made\nin the States and I do the record sleeves\nlive together too.\nTke name Horsey conjures up an image of\nmyself. I'm also in, or am, Pork Queen,\nOne of the songs on the single is called\nchild-like innocence. Were you trying to\nwho's 7\" came oul the same time as Hors\n\"Nice Lungs.\" Is that your Dice Clay-\nmilk the cub angle on that one?\ney's.\ntype Iune, or what? Is it about a nice\nMark: You can't milk horses.\npair o' titties?\nJustice: I'd have to say no. I thought of the\nWhat is your favorite Vancouver band\nJustice: No, it is not aboul a pair of titlies.\nname Horse first, but it just had too many\nright now?\nIt's literally about lungs. It's aboul taking\nobvious connotations to it.\nJustice: 1 like Zumpano a lot. 1 think they're\nthis person you know and like and dissect\njust about my favourite.\ning them down to whal makes them work.\nHuh?\n(Drummer Max suddenly enters, sweating\nMax: We have a tendency to over-rale the\nJustice: To heroin, I mean.\nprofusely, in cycling gear.)\nintelligence of our audience.\nMark: Horse is fhe street term for heroin.\nMark: This is Max.\nAnd what about ambitions or future\nWhat? I didn't know that! Wow I learn\nHi Max.\nplans for Horsey?\nsomething everyday! When you thought\nMax: Hi Granl. You're more lillle than I\nJustice: We're working on a full-length\nof the name Horse, did you want any\nthought you would be!\nrelease for Trackshun and we'll be play\nconnection to heroin?\ning a lot of local shows.\nJustice! No, that's why we added the \"ey.\"\nYeah, I'm fairly small. I just got a big\nBut, yeah, 1 guess it is kinda cutesy and\nmouth, 1 guess. When I firsl heard your\nOkay, thanks for your time Horsey. So,\ninnocent lt wasn't really the plan but we've\n7\" I thought of bands like the Pastels or\nnone of you do heroin, right?\nhad a few people say fhat.\nthe Modern Lovers, even though you're\nmuch more louder and noisier than ei\nHorsey: Righl!\nTruthfully now, do any of you do heroin?\nther. Was I even remotely on target as to\nNote: After this interview was completed\nJustice: No, and Max doesn't either but\nthe grass roots of the music?\nJustice called mc lo include this quick\nwhen I was like 15 or 16 we used to get\nJustice: I've never heard of eilher of those\napology to fans: Horsey wish to sincerely\nsynthetic morphine from my friend's mom,\ntwo bands.\napologketoallthekidswhowaitedaround\nwho worked wifh terminally ill cancer pa-\nMax: Mark's a pretty whiney singer so the\nto see them at Pop!, Sat., Oct. 16 .when\nlients.\nModem Lovers thing makes sense.\nthey never showed up to play. They had no\nway of getting their gear to the show and\nWhat would you do\nthey promise it will NEVER\nwith it?\nhappen again!\nO^ A\nMTUP -VioNUfcy\nTHAT cam\n*\"* AH\n