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The Ubyssey Jan 24, 1980

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Array Davis pushes for 'Hotel' Cage
The UBC housing department is
considering a plan to turn the Walter Gage low-rise residence into an
on-campus hotel, housing director
Mike Davis said Wednesday.
Davis said the hotel, which could
be operating as soon as September,
would generate money to pay for a
proposed $8 to $10 million residence renovation scheme. "The facility (the low-rise) has the potential
to support the renovations program
in the other residences," he said.
Davis said the low-rise is not being used for the purpose it was built
(housing for married students)
and said it should therefore be
phased out as a student residence.
The number of married couples in
the low-rise has declined from 53 to
IS in the last three years, he said.
Although the other 38 rooms in
the low-rise are currently being used
for non-married students, Davis
argued that the need for the hotel,
and the renovation funding it would
provide, is greater than the need
students have for such accommodation.
"The university needs this kind
of facility," he said.
Davis said the hotel could be used
to provide accommodation for
visiting lecturers, government researchers, professor recruitment
programs, friends and relatives of
patients in the UBC acute and extended care hospitals, health science
and continuing education seminars
and real estate workshops.
But some students living in the
Gage residences are strongly opposed to Davis' plan for a UBC Hilton.
Gage community council vice-president Alison Hughes said the university has no right to convert the low-
rise into a hotel.
"I think it stinks. This place isn't
meant for a hotel," she said.
Hughes said the low-rise is being
fully used by students, most of
whom are in common-law or
"legal" marriages. "Theplace is always totally full. To a large extent
it's being used for what it was intended," she said.
Low-rise resident Ian Lepper said
the hotel proposal could leave many
students homeless. "Married students without children would be
forced to move off-campus, because in Acadia (camp and park)
you pretty well have to have children," he said.
Lepper said the low-rise is the only on-campus low-cost housing for
married students without children.
See page 2: GAGE
SRA decides not
to decide with
two referendums
Vol. LXII, No. 43
Vancouver, B.C. Thursday, January 24,1980.       <-^^»48        228-2301
UBC election fever might last until spring as the student representative assembly voted Wednesday
night to hold two more referendums.
Students will go to the polls to
decide on a $30,000 expenditure by
the Varsity Outdoor Club and on
whether to join the National Union
of Students.
The VOC asked for the $30,000
to build a new cabin, ending a five
year dispute with the Alma Mater
Society. And in return for the
referendum, the club agreed to drop
the lawsuit it began in 1975 to
recover the cost of building the
Whistler ski cabin that was taken
over by the UBC ski club.
The new proposal will upgrade
three existing cabins and build one
new one near McGillvray Pass outside Pemberton, VOC president
Paul Hooper said Wednesday.
SRA decided to hold the referendum at a future date and also to
establish a joint committee of VOC
and assembly members to draw up a
budget for the cabin's construction.
"We're looking at this as a new
proposal with nothing to do with
the Whistler cabin," Hooper said.
But law representative Arlene
Francis said she was concerned over
the cabin's high costs. "I'd like to
ask how we can justify a referendum for $30,000 when just last year
we asked for a fee referendum,"
she said.
The NUS referendum will be the
fourth time UBC students have
voted on joining the national stu
dent organization. UBC currently
maintains an associate membership
in NUS, sending delegates to national and regional conferences.
"There are many arguments for
joining NUS and many against,"
student senator Chris Niwinski,
mover of the NUS referendum motion, said Wednesday. "So let's put
it to an issue. I think it's high time
we had a referendum."
But NUS representative Joan
Bennett said a referendum would be
a waste of time and money until the
assembly understands the workings
of the organization.
And student board of governors
representative Glenn Wong said the
current partial membership with
NUS has no benefits for UBC
"This bastardized relationship
we have now ... is useless. The only way we can get the full benefits is
if we're full members," he said.
Bennett said it would be better if
the referendum question were tabled until SRA is willing to commit
itself to educating the students
about NUS.
A separate motion for SRA
to cut off all ties with NUS if the
referendum fails was defeated.
"I think you can continue the affiliation with NUS whether or not
you have a mandate from the
students," said Bennett.
The three previous referendums
on the NUS question failed to pass,
forcing UBC into the limited
capacity of an associated member.
— •dmund o'brien photo
FONZIE LOOKALIKE CONTEST WINNER at education Gong Show illustrates "cool" riding rechnique. Incredible similarity to teenage idol has already led to several television offers and an advertising contract with Brylcreem.
Motorcycle remained unruffled during ridiculous presentation, and claimed not to be fooled by clever impersonation. Ukelele asked to have name withheld and said show just strung everyone along.
Gears vote to continue Godiva
Engineering students held a
precedent-setting vote on the annual Lady Godiva ride Tuesday.
The 90 per cent vote in favor of
the engineers' most controversial
annual stunt surprised no one, but
applied science dean Martin
Wedepohl's participation as returning officer is raising some eyebrows.
Some see his action as giving the
Who? steps
from the shadows
There's one thing student voters won't need to assess Bill Clarke as a
candidate — X-ray vision.
"I'm quite a visible guy when you see me," says the Vancouver-Quadra
Progressive Conservative candidate, who's been dubbed Mr. Invisible in
the past. "I'm everywhere at once."
Clarke, an MP since 1972, told 25 students in $UB 209 he is "always
available" and anxious to talk to students and faculty. He has campaigned in UBC residences and says: "I found a certain number of students
really wanted to talk about the issues."
Clarke said UBC is "fortunate" for the amount of student housing
available and reminded followers that the university's residences currently
have vacancies. He declined to outline an opinion of Canada Mortgage
and Housing Corporation policies and their effect on student residences.
Clarke says he discusses student housing regularly with university officials, but thinks the Canada student loan program has not been a "big
issue. I think it's operating satisfactorily and no one has ever suggested
to me the program needs a major overhaul."
When a female listener later told Clarke that students' eligibility for a
loan depends on their parents' financial status, he replied: "I think it (the
loan program) probably needs some work. No one has written to me that
"this should be changed."
In parliamentary circles, the financial status of MPs has seriously
"fallen behind the times," says Clarke, who adds the Conservatives plan
to limit growth in government spending. He says his chartered accountant
colleagues in Vancouver are earning an average income of $67,000 while
See page 2: NOW
CLARKE ... makes rare campus appearance
notorious event a legitimacy it has
never previously enjoyed.
And the fight to stop the ride is
gaining momentum, women's
studies director Lorette Woolsey
said Wednesday. "Many more
women's groups are mounting
pressure (against the ride) and
there's a real increase in the number
of protests."
Woolsey also said she has met
with Wedepohl several times to
discuss stopping the ride. "We've
taken a strong stand against the ride
and the violence associated with
it," she said.
And she said the ride is an influence keeping women from entering engineering at UBC. "I think
one could question whether a
woman with talents in engineering
would want to enter the faculty. It's
a lot deeper than the Lady Godiva
But engineering undergraduate
society president Russ Kinghorn
said the tradition is carried on
because "it makes life interesting."
And he denies that the ride has any
sexist connotations.
"Maybe it does in some people's
eyes, but it doesn't in general. A
few people feel a little burned and
that's the reason they've spread it. I
don't think it's a real issue."
In addition to the women's
groups opposed to the ride, professional engineers are critical of the
ride. An editorial by John Brown in
the current edition of B.C. Professional Engineer condemns the EUS'
aggressive hostility toward women. Page 2
Thursday, January 24,1980
Now you see him — now you don't
Frorii page 1
MPs are scraping by on $30,000.
"It's important for Canada to
have qualified people in
parliament," says the 46-year-old
politician. "If they aren't paid properly, you'll have people that don't
have a high ability or are treating it
(their job) as a hobby.
"I have a brother — he runs the
business so I can afford to be an
In recognition of women's rights,
Clarke said the Conservative party
has done more than any other
government in history. "We have
more women in more key posts."
Yet he readily says he has no con
crete policies on encouraging
women to enter the labor force, and
is unaware of any Conservative
legislative action in that direction
made during the party's short reign
since May 22.
"It's in the realm of the secretary
of state," he says. "I don't know
what you expect the government
could or should do. It's not a particular issue of mine." He denied
his lack of personal policies on
women's issues makes him an inadequate representative of women
voters in Vancouver-Quadra.
Clarke said he thinks Tory leader
Joe Clark and secretary of state
David MacDonald are concerned
with the status of women in Canada
and have dealt with the matter
"adequately."( MacDonald has
said the federal government should
eliminate salary discrepancies between men and women and develop
an employment policy to include
job creation and equality for
It is "absurd" to blame the Conservatives for failing to fulfil all
their election promises, Clarke said,
reading from a prepared text. The
candidate said he has a list of 139
promises kept by the party and is
proud of the Conservative record.
"On the embassy move from Tel
Aviv to  Jerusalem,  we had the
Cage scheme 'unacceptable'
From page 1
"They should throw it (the idea)
out. It's pretty unacceptable," he
Many students at a community
council meeting last night also expressed concern that the hotel
would house visiting sports teams
and disrupt the Gage community.
"I can envision a visiting basketball
team tearing up the place," said
The Gage council was surprised
by the Davis proposal and voted to
distribute a questionnaire to all
Gage residents io determine the acceptability of the hotel plan. "People were surprised, but they want to
kndw more before they make a decision," said council president Al
Soltis said the council will also
consider asking the housing department to let married students stay in
the low-rise as long as they wish be-
Hobbit shows
religious habit
Fantasy and faith are more closely linked than most people think,
UBC English professor Murray Evans said Wednesday.
Evans told 150 people in the SUB
art gallery that the writings of J. R.
R. Tolkien, C. S. Lewis and Charles
Williams are examples of fantastic
literature with strong spiritual
undertones that express "man's
longing for immortality." All three
writers were members of The Inklings, a literary club at Oxford, and
shared a common understanding of
the role of religion in literary production, Evans said.
Believers and unbelievers alike
can find much of value in these
writers' works, Evans said. He said
religious people might find that
their conception of religion may be
too limited after reading a work of
fantasy that lets them explore unknown spiritual realms, while non-
believers can use fantasies to "get a
taste of what faith is like."
Hacks get runs
UBC's hacks are off and running. Fifteen ambitious political
hopefuls had thrown their hats into
the Alma Mater Society at-large
election ring when nominations
closed at 4 p.m. Wednesday.
Bruce Armstrong, Shayne Boyd
and Bob Staley are in the running
for the job of AMS president, the
top of the executive totem pole.
Vice-presidential candidates are
Chris Fulkner, Marlea Haugen,
Frank Lee and Rob Waddell.
Current director of finance Len
Clarke is the only declared candidate for that position, and will be
returned for a second term unless
defeated by a "no" vote.
Peter Chant, Chris Niwinski and
Al Soltis have announced their intentions to run for the post of external affairs coordinator.
And four students are contesting
the director of administration position: Onkar Athwal, Shayne Boyd,
Craig Brooks and David Jeffreys.
fore adding their rooms to the
Shayne Boyd, Gage council housing budget committee member, said
the hotel plan was aimed at phasing
out unnecessary student housing in
anticipation of an enrolment drop
at the university. He said the
administration is operating on a
"quality, not quantity" philosophy
for student residences to attract
students into the older single residences.
Boyd said students would probably be allowed to stay in the hotel,
but would not get any preferential
rates. He said the housing department is currently considering a rate
close to $22 per night.
And Davis said the hotel revenues
would be used to continue a $1
million pilot renovation program
scheduled to begin this summer at
Place Vanier, Totem Park and
Gage. He said it would include an
additional $7 to $9 million upgrading program of all the residences.
Davis said he hopes to make a decision on the plan by the end of January.
But Craig Brooks, Alma Mater
Society housing commissioner, said
the plan might be illegal under the
terms of, Gage's government mortgage and added that the money
could be raised from other sources.
Any move to reduce student housing at this time is unacceptable, he
"Student housing is already very
tight. There are 400 to 500 students
on the waiting list for Gage alone."
Written Applications are now
being accepted for:
1. The $4.00 per graduating student rebate for funding of grad composites
and/or functions. The application
must specify:
(a) what your committee will be using the funds
(b) The funds required;
(c) In the case of composites, submit photographers name, and;
(d) In the case of a Grad function, submit date,
place and details;
(e) Name of applicant and their faculty or department.
FEBRUARY 1, 1980
2. Grad Class Gifts and Projects; The
proposed Gifts and/or Projects should
provide a service to the University
Community and/or the Community at
large. The applications must include:
(a) The name of the group requesting
(b) The nature of the gift or project;
(c) If it is a gift OR project;
(d) The amount sought;
(e) A one-hundred (100) word description of the gift OR project and of the
planned allocation of any funds
FEBRUARY 20, 1980
Send applications (and questions) to SUB Box 118. No applications will be
accepted after the deadlines indicated.
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1980 - 12:30
Please watch for further details
Grad Class Council
courage to admit we had made a
mistake," he said. On the Conservative proposal to disband
Petrocan, he added: "We got the
message people wanted a state corporation."
Clarke, chair of the Conservative
standing committee on finance,
trade and economic affairs, called
finance minister John Crosbie's
first budget a "masterpiece" and
said Canada would be self-
sufficient by the '90s if Conservative proposals were adopted. By
contrast, he said the Liberals and
New Democrats are more interested
in short-term political gain than in
disciplined, permanent planning.
"The Liberals have had 11 years
of misadventure," he said.
"They're without a leader. People
are being asked to vote for Humpty
Dumpty before he's been put back
together again." (Clarke just laughed when one of his election posters
reading "re-elect Bill Clarke" fell
off the wall before his speech.)
Clarke blamed Trudeau and the
Liberal government for jeopardizing the all-land Foothills route for
transporting oil from Alaska to the
U.S. through Canada. He denied
the Conservatives were silent and
indecisive when negotiating the
now-cancelled proposal with the
U.S. in the summer. "It was really
Mr. Trudeau who muddled things
up in the spring," he said.
A Conservative federal government will let Americans know that
the alternate trans-mountain or
Kitimat route is still available to
reduce oil tanker traffic, said
Clarke. The Conservatives plan to
increase the proportion of government spending for energy policies,
he added.
"We did more for energy policy
than the Liberals did in 11 years,"
he said. Conservatives plan to give
Petrocan a new mandate and make
Canadians shareholders of the corporation, much like the Socreds*
"five free shares" scheme in the
B.C. Resources Investment Corporation.
See page 8: CLARKE
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Page 3
Canada should
boycott Games,
says Liberal MP
— edmund o'brien photo
LET THEM BURN, shouts Nero clone after learning of housing department proposal to convert UBC's wartime
leftovers, the huts, into a luxury resort for vacationing Third World citizens. Visitors, for whom even the huts
would seem luxurious, would foot the bill for the university's budget, removing burden from taxpayers and
students. Acturally, Nero clone is ding-gong education professor John Dennison.
Students left off task force
HALIFAX (CUP) — There will
be no student representatives on the
federal-provincial task force to
study student aid, Canada's
secretary of state announced Tuesday.
"It would no longer be a government task force if other groups were
on it," said David MacDonald,
ending a lengthy guessing game between the federal government, provincial education ministers and student organizations. "The provincial
education ministers recognize the
need for full input."
MacDonald says he recognizes a
major problem with current student
aid policy: students must start
repaying loans six months after
leaving school, regardless of their
financial ability to pay.
"What is needed is an equation
that loan repayments are subject to
%s M?mR*
the kind of job the student has," he
MacDonald said he is concerned
that current graduates have a large
debt to pay off because they took
out student loans to cover education costs.
"When we first started in the student assistance business it was never
considered that a whole generation
would be coming out with a high
debt load," he said. "I think it's
unrealistic, generally unhealthy and
breaks down confidence in the
The secretary of state says he has
heard no one criticize the new
federal summer youth employment
program for reducing student
wages, while armed forces and
cadet training programs have
received a 20 per cent funding increase.
MacDonald said he wants to
learn more about the situation.
The average Canadian woman's
salary is only 57 per cent of a man's
and the federal government must
lead the way in eliminating that
discrepancy, said MacDonald,
when interviewed by Canadian
University Press.
"The biggest nut we have to
crack is to establish very clearly, as
a federal employer, that we have a
program of equal pay for work of
equal value."
MacDonald, whose portfolio includes responsibility for the status
of women, said the federal government must develop an employment
strategy to include job creation and
equality for women.
Canada should boycott the
Olympic Games if the Soviet Union
does not pull out of Afghanistan, a
Quebec Liberal MP said Tuesday.
And Westmount MP Don
Johnston told 40 students in Buch.
100 that Liberal leader Pierre
Trudeau also supports the Olympic
boycott, adding to confusion about
Liberal policy on the issue.
(Trudeau announced publicly
Tuesday that he is opposed to a
Canadian boycott of the Moscow
And Liberal candidate Peter
Pearse, also present at the Johnston
speech, said he is against the
boycott. "I am against boycotting
the Olympics as a political act,"
said Pearse, Liberal candidate for
the Vancouver-Quadra riding. "If
you put politics out of it and can
compete strictly on an athletic
basis, the games can be a symbol of
Johnston added that boycotting
the Olympics would have disastrous
effects. "You have to recognize
that you're going to deal a death
blow to the Olympics," he said. "If
Western nations boycott the games
I would be surprised if the Eastern
bloc appeared at the Olympics for a
number of years."
Johnston, formerly chairman of
the House of Commons committee
on public accounts, said he is a
critic of his own party. "I've
registered a number of my
dissatisfactions with Liberal
policies," he said, adding that internal criticism helps keep the Liberal
party strong.
Much of his speech was critical of
Joe Clark's Conservative government. "How can a government
elected May of 1979 have fallen
from public esteem in so short a
time?" he asked, and said that recent surveys have shown a drastic
decrease in Clark's popularity.
He said the Conservative government's fall was a result of incompetence, arrogance and
cynicism. Johnston added there is a
general feeling in Canada that
politicians are not to be trusted
because they'll say anything to be
"Joe Clark has followed that
JOHNSTON . . . flip flop
very theme. I'm very convinced that
the cynicism of the general public is
a reflection of the cynicism of
Johnston condemned the Conservative policy regarding PetroCan,
and said they had adopted a doctrinaire position that will not work
in the real world. But he said he is in
favor of privatization if it is feasible.
Johnston said the NDP is
unrealist[c in their policies and added that they do not have to worry
about being called to task on their
promises because they will never be
"The NDP is able to make
statements oblivious to the facts in
the same way as the Rhino party."
He said the Liberal party will
follow up on all of its promises.
"When we say we're going to do
something, by God we're going to
do it."
But he also said "only a fool
wouldn't change his mind."
Johnston was the first of political
welter and heavy-weights being
parachuted into UBC to woo the
student vote. External affairs
minister Flora Macdonald is
scheduled to speak sometime next
week, while the Liberals are planning to bring former finance minister
Jean Chretien.
Have PCs tried Ed?
So you always thought The Ubyssey was a left-wing rag. Terry Yates
doesn't think so, and Yates is chairman of the Progressive Conservative
party's Canada Fund.
Yates sent the paper's editors a 1980 Sustaining Contributor card and an
enthusiastic letter.
"Dear Progressive Conservative . . ." is only the beginning. "As one of
our best supporters, I've been able to count on you in the past to help the
Progressive Conservative Party in its time of need," the letter states.
"In fact, because of the unprecedented demand placed on our party, I'm
asking you to consider a contribution of nearly twice as much as you've
ever made before," the letter continues.
"That's easy," Ubyssey co-editor Tom Hawthorn said Wednesday.
"Twice nothing is still nothing."
And The Ubyssey is in good company. Another noted non-Conservative
to receive a Tory contribution kit was former Liberal cabinet minister Ron
Basford said Wednesday he did not know why he was picked as a potential Conservative supporter. "I presume they're looking for money," he
And Basford added he received a more impressive version of the Canada
Fund request. "I got an autographed portrait of Joe Clark."
The letter states on behalf of eager contributors: "Terry, you can count
on my support. I understand how important my sustaining contribution is
to the Party, especially in this crucial national election."
Hawthorn said he will not send the Conservatives a contribution for their
campaign fund, but added he will keep the card anyway. "Maybe it will
protect me from higher interest rates or gas prices if the Conservatives form
the next government," he said.
— mike mong photo
UBC GYMNAST Michelle Sirett performs act on uneven bars unequalled since last time Ubyssey staff hit Lethe.
Women's team competes in last home meet of year Friday at 4:30 p.m. against Alberta and Oregon in gym G, and
should not be missed. Ubyssey staff, on other hand, is always in Lethe and really isn't worth watching anyway. Page 4
Thursday, January 24,1980
'Hello. UBC Hilton
"Relax in an aura of scholarly peace.
Wide, spacious rooms await you for
your tranquil stay. Panoramic vistas of
B.C.'s rugged mountain ranges available
in some suites. Hot and cold running
water, showers, and carpeting in all
rooms. Nearby facilities include tennis
courts, indoor and outdoor swimming
pools, theatres, restaurants and bars. All
for a low price of $22 per day. (No
children or pets, please). . . It's all yours
when you stay at UBC's Gage Hotel."
This could soon be a glossy advertisement for housing director Mike Davis'
latest   get-rich-quick   scheme.    Davis'
plans to convert Gage low-rise residence
into a campus Holiday Inn are a totally
unrealistic profiteering scheme.
As usual, students are the last consideration in such an impetuous gonzo
proposal. Married students without
children who now occupy the low rise,
will be turfed out with nowhere to go —
other campus accommodation for married students only allows couples with
children. Removing valuable student
housing and replacing it with rooms for
visiting professors and those who can
afford better is blindly irresponsible,
especially   when   student   housing   is
may I help you?9
already so scarce.
Davis says the hotel scheme will pay
for renovations for other UBC
residences. But it's hard to imagine a
53-room hotel providing the more than
$8 million needed for an overhaul project, And who's to guarantee that that's
where the money will be funneled?
If all 53 units were rented 365 days of
the year, the total income for the "profitable" miracle dwelling would be about
$300,000 per year before costs. That's
about one-twenty-fifth of the funds
needed to renovate existing residences.
When   the   student   representative
assembly votes unanimously against a
proposal, you know it reeks. Such collective agreement is unheard of with
petty student politicos. If they can
recognize a lousy proposal, anyone can.
A hotel on campus has thousands of
possibilities for visionary profit seekers.
The Gage "hotel" would be close
enough to the proposed research park to
provide another student-subsidized
benefit for the park's tenants.
UBC is a university. It's a tough
enough job keeping up with the education business. Let's keep out of the hotel
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Misinformation surrounds park forum plans
This is hopefully to clear up the
continuing misinformation regarding the public forum on Discovery
Park, and press reports regarding
it. First of all, the forum will take
place this evening, Jan. 24, at 7:30
p.m. in the party room, with president Doug Kenny and Don Larsen.
Universities minister Pat McGeer
has sent his regrets that he is unable
to attend.
A letter from Kenny which appeared in The Ubyssey Jan. 22
states that in a letter to him I apologized for the misinterpretation of
my remarks made at the first meeting of the student representative assembly research park committee
with members of other UBC and
community groups. I in fact.expressed my regrets at the confusion
which resulted from the report in
the Jan. 15 Ubyssey of this meeting
stating that the forum would be
held at University Hill high school
and that Kenny would attend.
At that time our plans were in
disarray; no definite arrangements
could be made but several possibilities were discussed. Unfortunately,
the reporter left before the end of
the meeting.
Kenny also states that I called
your Jan. 17 article (Kenny flip
flops on off-campus forum) "mistaken." My letter to him was written before that article appeared,
and was in reference to the Jan. 15
report. I find the facts in the Jan. 17
article to be accurate.
If Kenny objects to the term "flip
flops," perhaps it is because his
opinion of the value and purpose of
a public forum is different to that
of The Ubyssey writer and the research park committee, in which
case his actions may be entirely consistent.
On Nov. 29, 1979 Kenny and
Don Larsen at a forum for students
on Discovery Park expressed their
willingness to attend further forums
for the public. A Dec. 10 letter from
Leslie Peterson, chairman of the
board of governors, to the research
park committee refused our request
for public hearings but stated that
"the administration is prepared to
make arrangements for public informational meetings as a follow-up
to the president's earlier meetings
with students."
The committee had also written
to Kenny offering to arrange public
meetings and asking him to meet
with a delegation in this regard;
Kenny responded on Dec. 11 suggesting we could meet with him early in the new year.
In the absence of further guidelines, the committee made arrangements for a public forum for either
Jan. 24, 29 or 31 in the University
Hill high school gymnasium. At our
Jan. 11 meeting with Kenny, we
were taken by surprise when he stated his unwillingness to go off campus and invited us to give him rea
sons as to why it should be off campus. I was not certain whether Kenny had given us an unequivocal
"no," and was told to check with
his secretary about the arrangements the following week.
On Monday, Jan. 14 Kenny's secretary confirmed the date of the
24th, and told me she believed that
the University Hill setting would be
acceptable. I phoned to confirm
this the next day, and was told that
an off-campus setting would not be
considered. On the Wednesday the
setting in SUB and the format was
agreed on.
The position of the research park
committee from the beginning has
been that the issues raised by Discovery Park involve the university
as a whole, the local community,
and the general public. Our aim has
been to ensure that these groups be
adequately informed about the park
and have prior and ongoing input
into it.
Kenny states in his letter that because the forum was arranged by
SRA research park committee, that
it should take place at the campus
"where access is open to all
students." The committee has not
shared his concern about students,
trusting that those interested would
be able to make their way to the
University Hill high school.
However, SUB is also open to the
public, and we suspect that some
will be able to find their way here
tonight. Beyond this, it is the responsibility of the board of governors to ensure that the university
community and the public are properly involved in the planning and
the development of Discovery Park.
Marty Lund
SRA research park committee
January 24,1980
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Co-Editors: Heather Conn and Tom Hawthorn
How boring was it in the newsroom? Julie Wheelwright fell asleep at the keys and Erica Leiren dozed off on the telephone. While Peter Menyasz slept behind
the story list. Heather Conn was rendered comatose by one of Kevin Finnegan's longer diatribes. Tom Hawthorn succumbed half-way through Steve
McClure's lede, and the gentle rocking of the building in the wind put Dave Francis and Glen Sanford down for the count. Ed O'Brien and Stuart Dee couldn't
stay awake in the dark, and Gary Brookfield was left to edit nothing but zzzzzzzs. It was left to Geof Wheelwright and Geoff Olson to ask anyone who has made
it this far throught the masthead to come sign up as a reporter in room 241k and put some excitement in their lives. If no one shows up pretty soon, we'll have
to form a campus somnambulists' club and walk in blissful oblivion throught the corridors of UBC. (Actually, no one would probably even notice the
difference.) If you're terrified by gruesome nightmares, come out and learn our well-practised sleeping techniques. The staff that sleeps {and snores) together,
stays together.
A guilty plagiarist is a poor cross
between a Rhinoceros and a liar
With regard to Paul Gaylie's humorous attempt at humor in his letter of Jan. 22,1 feel obliged to point
out the remarkable similarities between Gaylie's election platform
and that of the Rhinoceros Party.
Had the dimensions of his platform
been measured in metric instead of
empirical terms, it would have been
identical to the platform constructed by a Rhinoceros Party candidate
• whose name escapes me).
As for Gaylie's brilliant solution
to the Iranian hostage-taking incident, it was taken verbatim from
another Rhinoceros candidate's list
of election promises.
In case it hasn't yet dawned on
you, Paul, I was tuned in to the
same CFOX news broadcast that
you were listening to not too long
ago. You are guilty of a blatant act
of plagiarism — an act that would
be labelled corrupt even in the
Socred offices in Victoria. Frankly,
these are the only two ideas of yours
that I can recall hearing on that
broadcast; Rhino knows where you
stole the others from.
David Robertson
arts 2 Thursday, January 24,1980
Page 5
Hansard tells Tory story
In an interview published in your
paper on Tuesday Jan. 2 Peter
Pearse, Liberal candidate in the
federal riding of Vancouver
Quadra, boasted that, "the Liberals
are responsible for income support,
programs for 'needy and disabled*
people, guaranteed income policies,
Canada Pension Plan, and
Medicare ... It would certainly be
unlikely the Conservatives would
have done those things," says
To set the record straight, the
Progressive Conservative Party
wholeheartedly supported income
support programs for the needy and
disabled, such as old age security,
when these programs were introduced in the 1940s, as a simple
check of Hansard would prove.
Bob Stanfield was an' early and
consistent advocate of guaranteed
annual income policies. And it was
the Tory government in Ontario
that initiated the study and regulation of pensions in the 1950s. When
the Liberals brought down the
Diefenbaker government in 1963
discussions were underway between
the provinces and the federal
government concerning pensions.
Unfortunately   these   discussions
Something is
mssing, eh?
You people were quite mstaken
to send a Ms. to cover a msogynist
candidate. I was msinterpreted, ms-
construed and msquoted by your reporter. Such hit-and-ms journalism
should not be allowed in so serious
an erection.
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Also Oarages, Basements, Yards
were not advanced enough to be
made public. Not only is it "likely"
that we would have done those
things, but where possible we have
done them and done them in a
financially responsible manner.
On the matter of the famous
budget of Dec. 11, Pearse ignores
half of the budget in a desperate attempt to prove that Tories are, "so
insensitive to the needs of people
who are the most disadvantaged."
He ignores the tax credits that
would mean that those earning
under $12,000 a year would pay
none of the gasoline excise tax. He
ignores the closing of loopholes that
discriminated against women taxpayers. He ignores the closing of
corporate loopholes and the imposition of a corporation surtax. He ignores the tax on multinational oil
companies that would fill the
treasury coffers with six billion
dollars over four years.
Worst of all he ignores the reason
for a tough budget, the Liberal
legacy of a $14 billion deficit, a
legacy that John Crosby [sic] had
the guts to tackle. Under his budget
everyone from the huge corporations to the suburban worker would
pay their fair share. It is not the
Tories who are insensitive to the
disadvantaged, it is the Liberals
who disadvantage every Canadian
with their print money schemes.
But in the end one sympathizes
with Pearse and his party. With
their leader in hiding, afraid to
publicly debate Joe Clark and Ed
Broadbent, without a team, without
any policy at all, perhaps all they
can do is make empty statements
that are easily refuted. As Joe Clark
said on Monday night, the principle
difference between the parties
emerging in this campaign is that we
Tories are honest with the Canadian
people, while the other parties are
Bill Embrey
UBC progressive conservative party
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As your Liberal candidate for Vancouver
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PEARSE is concerned that many students have
not been informed about voter registration.
To vote in Vancouver Quadra you must
register unless you were enumerated here last
Residents of UBC may register in the Lounge
of Walter Gage North Tower Residence
from 10:00 to 11:00 a.m. and from 7:00 to
10:00 p.m., January 25 to February 4.
For those who live off campus, contact the
Returning Officer for Quadra (phone 266-1394)
for information concerning the Court of Revision
in your area.
If you need further help with voter registration
contact the UBC Liberal Association in SUB
216C (phone 228-4385).
Although this campaign will be short, PETER
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issues, particularly those of concern to you.
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Thursday, January 24,1980
'Tween classes
Dr. Robert Ellis shows slides on Earthquakes and
their prediction, 8 p.m., Cecil Green Park.
Lesbian drop-in, 1:30 p.m., SUB 130.
Show entitled Cycles: the graphic art of Robert
Davidson, Haida, until Feb. 3, Museum of Anthropology.
With Doug Kenny and Don Larsen, 7:30 p.m., SUB
party room.
Free legal advice, noon, SUB 111.
Folk night, free admission, 7:X p.m.. International
House coffeeplace.
Hopefully you've all reed your essays, 2:30 p.m..
Brock 163.
Mime with Alyana McCay, noon, SUB art gallery.
Tony Hunt speaks on Indian Art and Spirituality,
3:30 p.m., SUB art gallery.
General meeting, all welcome, noon, SUB 230.
Film entitled The Temptation of Power about Iran
in 1976, noon. Law 101.
Joint meeting with NDP Club with NDP candidate
Ron Johnson, noon, SUB 207.
Unique Hawaiian luncheon, 11:30, SUB cafeteria.
Important organizational meeting, noon. International House mein floor.
Talk and discussion on Facts and fallacies in
astronomy by David Roger, noon, Buch. 102.
General meeting, noon, SUB 215.
Financial aid advice, noon to 2 p.m., SUB Speakeasy.
Breaking the Mould Conference, wine and cheese,
4 to 5 p.m., Scarfe building.
Forum on energy, the sources of supply to the year
' 2000. noon, Buch. 100.
Bill Lewis speaks on What do you expect of God?,
noon, Chem. 250.
Woody   Allen   film,   The   Front,   noon,   SUB
Meeting, new membera welcome, 7:30 to 9:30
p.m., MacMillan 278.
Alt candidates meeting for candidates running for
AMS executive at-large positions, noon to 2 p.m.,
SUB conversation pit.
General meeting, noon, SUB 213.
Party with music and refreshments, 8 p.m., St.
Mark's College.
Debate between education and the UBC debating
society on Teachers have a vested interest in sex
education, noon, Scarfe 100.
Film, The Hiding Place, noon, SUB auditorium.
Contemporary lecture by Hunt Beyer, observations
on Zen Buddhism and modern western music,
noon, SUB art gallery.
Literature open stage with Hunt and Becky Beyer,
3.30 p.m., SUB art gallery.
Robin Blaser and George Bowering read poetry,
7:30 p.m., SUB art gallery.
Cultural show and bazaar as Republic Day celebrations, 6:30 p.m.. SUB ballroom.
Hunt Beyer speaks on Music and metaphysics at
the moment, 8 p.m., SUB art gallery.
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are invited to a
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Page 7
('Bird droppings)
Yes indeed, that was a terrific response to our plea last week for additional staff for the' sports page.
Our reporter roster doubled to four
by Monday, setting a new high for
the decade. Bearing in mind that
one of the additions was my roommate who I threatened to lock in the
garage with the landlady's cat if he
didn't write, the turnout was still
quite encouraging.
That doesn't mean, however,
that new reporters are not welcome.
In fact, it doesn't even mean I'll be
hesitant about buying them a beer
the instant they walk in the door.
Even if it's at 9 a.m.
So if you have a little time available on the weekends, and always
wanted a press card to stick in the
band of your fedora, drop by SUB
room 241k any time and ask for
Kevin. Before you know it, you'll
be sipping a brew and reading the
Ubyssey style guide, one of the
more bizarre 36-page essays you'll
ever come across.
The Ubyssey is an equal opportunity employer, although candidates with telephone book throwing
experience always get picked first
during staff wars.
It's only mid-January and your
student loan entertainment budget
is used up already, right?
Don't despair. There's entertainment right on campus this weekend
that you paid for long ago. Part of
your student fee goes to extracurricular athletics, so all sports
events on campus are free to students with a valid AMS card. And
this weekend there's no shortage of
Both the women's and men's
basketball teams will be playing the
University of Lethbridge Friday
and Saturday night. The Thunderettes have been having their problems lately but the 'Birds have had
strong games against some of the
best teams in the country. Game
time each night for the women is
6:45 p.m. and for the men is 8:30
The men's soccer team plays Saturday on Maclnnes field behind
SUB at 2 p.m., and the rugby team
plays the same day at 2:30 p.m. on
Lord field behind the winter sports
centre. The swim teams take on
University of Washington at 2 p.m.
Saturday at the aquatic centre, and
the women's ice hockey team plays
at 4:45 p.m. Sunday at the winter
sports centre main rink.
And for gymnastics fans there are
two meets this weekend but only
limited seating is available. The
women's team hosts a tri-meet Friday afternoon at 4:30 p.m., and the
men's team meets the University of
Alberta Saturday at 2 p.m. Both
meets are in gym G at the Osborne
centre, next to the winter sports
Women's bowling night
7 p.m., SUB games room
Co-rec volleyball
7:30 p.m., mem gym
Last day of registration:
men's wrestling tournament
Women's basketball
UBC vs. Lethbridge,
6:45 p.m., mem gym
UBC Invitational
JVs and Totems, first game
7 p.m., gym A and B
Men's basketball
UBC vs. Lethbridge
8:30 p.m., mem gym
Women's gymnastics,
UBC tri-meet,
4:30 p.m., gym G
Men's 3 on 3 basketball
10 a.m., mem gym
Co-rec snowshoe trip,
7:30 a.m., Seymour Mt.
Woman's basketball
UBC vs. Lethbridge
6:45 p.m., mem gym
UBC Invitational
JVs and Totems, finals
7 p.m., gym A and B
Men's basketball
UBC vs. Lethbridge
8:30 p.m., mem gym
UBC vs. Washington
2 p.m., aquatic centre
Men's rugby
UBC vs. Oak Bay
2:30 p.m.. Lord field
Man's soccer
UBC vs. Pegasus,
2 p.m., Maclnnes field
Man's ice hockey
UBC at Edmonton
Man's gymnastics
UBC vs. Alberta,
2 p.m., gym G
Men's 3 on 3 basketball
10 a.m., mem gym
Men's lea hockey
UBC at Edmonton
Woman's ica hockey
UBC vs. Killarney,
4:45 p.m., winter
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Men's curling league,
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Co-rec inner tube
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7:30 p.m., aquatic centre
Women's floor hockey
first day of competition
Men's wrestling
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Thursday, January 24,1980
Clarke still one to beat in Quadra battle
From page 2
He said the proposed Conservative
budget directly addresses student employment and contains incentives to stimulate
permanent employment in the private sector, especially for "young people." Past
federal local initiatives programs and Opportunities for Youth plans only give
students short-term gain, he said. "I've
always favored permanence."
For the "old folks," Clarke says no
specific Conservative policy has been
outlined for old age security supplements,
but the party has a responsible attitude
towards the plight of senior citizens.
"We service pensioners and widows of
pensioners," he said. "We've removed the
inequities between the treatment of First
and Second World War veterans. Our proposed tax credit would have helped the old
folks, even the ones in homes."
Clarke said Crosbie's budget provided
relief for lower and middle income people,
even when the Conservatives had to pay one
dollar of every five in government revenues
to pay for the accumulated deficit of
Liberal rule.
Old Liberals and NDPers are still running
the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
and the Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Commission, one listener told
Clarke. "Bureaucracy has to carry on,"
said Clarke. "But many resignations will be
On capital punishment, Clarke said: "I
think it's a necessary part of our
jurisprudence. I supported the bill twice on
capital punishment."
On gay rights: "I'm all in favor of it."
Clarke denied again accusations that he
was Mr. Invisible. "That's absolutely untrue. It's a figment of the Liberal imagination." When told that his Liberal opponent
Peter Pearse called Clarke "lacklustre"
Clarke replied: "It just shows he doesn't
have any judgement."
Clarke is a former UBC undergraduate
who left before graduation to become a
chartered accountant in downtown Vancouver.
Clarke's "blind opposition" is newly-
nominated Liberal candidate Peter Pearse,
who says he thinks Vancouver-Quadra
vote patterns, with an additional 3,000 student voters this election, indicate a good
change for a Liberal victory. A member of
the Economic Council of Canada, Pearse is
a UBC board of governors member, a UBC
alumnus and currently economics professor
on leave.
NDP candidate Alan Bush, 38, was a
Simon Fraser University student and is currently a social worker with the Collingwood
community care team. This is his fifth election as an NDP candidate.
no Job, but still a Who?
SFU accepts engineering program
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PERFORMING STUDENT entertains bird during research project conducted outside SUB Wednesday. Pigeon
report on student body shows marked capability for bafflegab intake, provided break for homemade lunch is available. Avoiding rain and food services' seem main object in life, bird stated, while favorite pastime was obviously
Park forum set for tonight in SUB
Members of the Point Grey community will finally have a chance to
meet with planners of UBC's proposed 58-acre research park
UBC administration president
Doug Kenny and Don Larsen,
managing director of Discovery
Parks, Inc., will be on the firing line
as environmental and community
groups question the location and
safety of the park at a public forum
in SUB.
"The meeting is to bring the attention of the public to this park,"
said forum organizer Marty Lund.
He said members of the Society for
Pollution and Environmental Control, the University Endowment
Lands tenants' association and
UEL ratepayers' association are expected to attend the forum.
But Lund said tonight's meeting
is the last forum the student
representative assembly's research
park committee will organize. He
said Kenny's recent refusal to attend a public forum off-campus
was the reason for the committee's
"We are not going to attempt to
arrange any more public meetings
because we keep getting this line
about them being only for
students," said Lund.
He added that the UBC administration should organize further meetings. The board of governors chair has already indicated an
interest in conducting such
meetings, said Lund.
He said students are concerned
with the enforcement and standards
of health and safety regulations imposed on companies operating
within the park and added that
public hearings are needed to settle
this question.
Globe goof elects Grits
"Stop the presses!" shouted the editors of
Toronto's Globe and Mail newspaper. But that wasn't
They had to call in the Ontario Provincial Police.
The circulation department was forced to stall the carriers. The Globe and Mail's switchboard answered
queries with polite evasions.
It was not the result of an earth-shattering event.
The Soviet Union and the U.S. are still at peace.
An embarrassing mistake sent the paper into a
"Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau says . . ." begins a
front page story in Wednesday's first edition of the
Globe and Mail. Displaying amazing precognitive
powers or simply a disregard for the facts, the paper's
editors gave Pierre Trudeau the prime minister's title a
month before the election.
"It was just an error," said Globe and Mail employee Gwen Domagala. "It's just one of those things.
It's so easy for that sort of thing to happen after Trudeau was in office for so long."
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Domagala said she thought the paper caught the
mistake before too many copies reached the streets. "I
believe it was only in the first edition sales," she said.
But she also said the first edition is distributed in Toronto and shipped across the country. All major centres
west of Winnipeg and in the Maritimes received the
edition complete with faux pas.
One Globe and Mail source is reported to have said
the Ontario Provincial Police were called in to stop a
truck from delivering copies of the flawed edition to
Ottawa. The source said Globe and Mail carriers were
told the truck was "stuck at Silver Lake," half-way between Toronto and Ottawa, and would not arrive in
time for normal delivery.
And the Globe and Mail's switchboard told callers
copies of the paper could not be found.
Domagala said that "surprisingly enough" there
have been few calls complaining about the error.
Trudeau might be flattered by the slip, and prime
minister Joe Clark might be a little miffed, but NDP
Ed Broadbent is likely offended most. He is the only
major leader not accorded the title in the story.
UBC's engineering faculty might
find itself competing with Simon
Fraser University students. SFU's
senate recently gave approval in
principle to the establishment of
undergraduate and graduate degree
programs in engineering at the
SFU is considering establishing
an engineering program because
B.C. is graduating a disproportionately low number of engineers compared to the rest of Canada, an SFU
spokesman said Wednesday.
"There is a healthy demand indeed for engineers in B.C. and a
healthy immigration of engineers to
B.C. from other provinces," SFU
engineering committee chair Tom
Calvert said Wednesday. "We
ought to be providing educational
opportunities for people in B.C.
Engineering programs provide a
resource which makes it more attractive for high technology and
secondary industry to locate in
Calvert said he believes an
engineering program at SFU will offer "new and wider educational
opportunities to the population."
But a UBC spokesman said
UBC's engineering faculty is
already handling the province's demand for education in that field.
"We don't have enrolment limitations at UBC," Erich Vogt, vice-
president in charge of faculty and
student affairs, said Wednesday.
"The UBC (engineering) faculty
is clearly trying to serve all students
in the province who want to take
engineering, and I think we have a
strong program," Vogt said.
But Calvert said that current
enrolment in UBC's engineering
program, the only one in B.C., is
only about 1,500, less than half the
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national average of 4,000 engineering students per province.
Calvert added the SFU program
might attract as many as 1,000
engineering students over the next
five years.
He also said the proposed program still needs the approval of the
Universities Council of B.C. and if
approved would be eligible for funding over a five-year period. "Today when governments are very
conscious of budgets, it is difficult
to get funding. You have to make a
very strong case indeed, but we believe that the case is a very strong
one," Calvert said.
If the council approves the program, it might be in limited operation by December, Calvert said. He
added that an engineering program
director will soon be appointed.
"We believe it is important to get
at least a modest graduate program
going as well as research and undergraduate programs."
Calvert said proposed areas of
specialization include telecommunications, energy and materials, industrial systems and engineering in
extreme environments.
There might be some public reaction to the proposed program, Calvert said. "I guess that there is some
trepidation seeing some of the antics that UBC engineers get involved
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one as Iranian visitor Jim Prior.
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