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The Ubyssey Sep 26, 1975

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Vol. LVII, No. 9
SEPTEMBER 26, 1975
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PROGRESS THREATENS area indicated in photograph in form of
giant $35 million luxury apartment complex for rich and super-rich
only.  The  project,   brain  child  of West  Vancouver  weasel,  Dinos
—matt king photo
Lambrou, would destroy 79 low-cost rental dwellings and displace
179 residents. Only provincial government can prevent Lambrou and
cohorts  building  monstrosity, says endowment  lands  manager.
Zone laws must change
before UEL plan proceeds
The $35 million luxury apartment complex planned for the
university endowment lands can
only be built if the provincial
government relaxes zoning
bylaws, the UEL office manager
said Thursday.
Bob Murdoch, chief administrator of the UEL and
directly responsible to the office of
the minister of lands, forest and
water resources, said current
zoning by-laws limit building
height to 48 feet in the area
proposed for the development.
The complex, proposed by LRS
Development Enterprises, would
displace 79 dwelling units and
about 200 residents in a 3.6 acre
area bounded approximately by
Dalhousie, Acadia, Allison and
Toronto Roads.
The area is currently zoned for
multiple-family dwellings.
Murdoch said the developers of
the property would have to receive
a letter from the minister of lands,
forest and water resources, relaxing present by-laws.
He said the by-laws were relaxed
several years ago to allow construction of a high-rise in the area.
But he said this stage would not
be reached for some time.
"They (LRS) haven't even come
up with a proposal yet," he said.
"Once that is done, the department
has to examine it."
He said when LRS approached
his office several weeks ago about
the possibility of redeveloping the
land, he told them the UEL
"wouldn't consider a change of
He said the developers told him
that about three times the number
of existing dwelling units would be
Murdoch said the LRS proposal
"seems to make financial and
economic sense."
"We're looking for more housing
if we can get it, but it has to be on
our own terms," he added!
He said if LRS were to get the bylaw relaxations they would have to
make some concessions to the
UEL, such as provision
derground parking space
Meanwhile, opposition to the
plan was expressed on several
university fronts Thursday.
Alma Mater Society president
Jake van der Kamp said he is
writing letters opposing the plan to
administration president Doug
Kenny, Bob Williams, minister of
lands, forests and water resources
and minister responsible for the
of un-
for all
UBC faculty maintains status quo
UBC's Faculty Association executive is
preparing a "framework agreement" with
the administration to provide collective
bargaining without unionization for its 1,500
The quiet, almost tame discussions are
occurring after more than a year of intensive
debate, which split UBC's academic ranks as
profs backed away from a sudden decision in
February, 1974, to seek certification as a
union under the B.C. Labor Code.
Profs shouted and heckled in association
meetings and conducted an assortment of
political moves in back rooms as
traditionalists fought against the unionists —
and won, at least partly.
The agreement to be debated and ratified
by the association's membership and UBC's
administration   in   November   is   a   highly
restricted, perhaps unique system of
collective bargaining.
But there is doubt about how effective the
new "framework agreement" will be without
the ultimate power to strike or seek other
remecUes through the B.C. Labor Relations
And more important are questions about
motives behind the faculty's move to unionize
and then reverse the decision.
It seems greed, fear, and pride in being part
of a superior class seem to be the crucial
elements in the faculty's actions.
The association is establishing a 38-
member collective bargaining committee
which will proportionately represent each
section of the university and set annual
negotiating goals and demands.
The committee will present its demands to
the administration and representatives will
begin annual negotiations without the power
to strike but with as yet unclarified rights to
take issues to arbitration.
The initial move to unionize occurred early
in 1974 when it was learned the provincial
government planned to drastically restrict
university funding — and possibly put a crimp
on faculty salaries.
Profs feared cutbacks in allocations to the
universities. They felt they would have ho
economic protection because they couldn't
bargain collectively.
(In the past the'Faculty Association would
submit salary and fringe benefit requests to
the administration which would then decide,
-  without negotiation, how much of an increase
to offer.)
Chemical engineering prof Norm Epstein
See page 2-   ISSUE
UEL, housing minister Lome
Nicolson, and Dinos Lambrou, a
principal figure in LRS.
AMS council Wednesday voted
unanimously to oppose the plan.
Jane Corcoran, representative of
the area's tenants, said Thursday
she has received no answer to a
letter she wrote Sept. 15 to Norm
Pearson, Williams' deputy.
The letter suggested a by-law
change which would prevent all
high-rise dwellings in the area,and
suggested Dunhill Developments
purchase the land involved, to
prevent luxury development.
Pearson said Thursday he
returned Wednesday from a two-
week vacation and said he wouldn't
comment because he wasn't
familiar yet with the contents of
the letter.
Corcoran said it is fortunate the
LRS plan is as extensive as it is.
"It's fortunate that Lambrou has
such a large plan because it gets a
lot of people on our side who
otherwise might not support us,
people who aren't necessarily for
middle-income housing," she said.
The tenants currently pay
monthly rents between $200 and
"As good corporate citizens they
should weigh the moral aspects of
their decision," Kenny said.
He qualified his statements,
saying that he couldn't speak for
the university administration but
"I could give my individual
Principals in LRS are Lambrou,
his wife. Diana Lambrou, Vancouver lawyer William Henson and
Americans Max Ruderian and
Albert Spiegel.
The same group is responsible
for the controversial Plaza International complex in North
Vancouver. rage a
and others
Hot flashes
building recital hall.
Featured     performers    are
Hans-Karl Piltz, viola, and Harvey
Bethune and other recent Canadian theatre productions will be
the topic of discussion at noon
Tuesday in Buchanan 322.
Speakers will include Ken Kramer, who plays Bethune at the
production currently running at
the Vancouver East Cultural Centre, and Pam Hawthorne who
" plays Bethune's wife Francis.
The music of J. S. Bach will
be presented in a faculty recital
tonight   at   8  p.m.   in the  music
Stenson, harpsichord.
Women Together, a Lower
Mainland women's group, is publishing a women's business directory for B.C.
The directory will list professional women, craftswomen,
women working full or part time
on any project and businesses
owned and operated by women.
It will be published in December.
There is no charge for directory listings. For further informa
tion,    call    Carol    Norman    at
The Vancouver People's Law
School will offer a free course
Monday and Tuesday on welfare
The course, given by articling
law student Karen Kahn, will
deal with all aspects of welfare
regulations including basic rates,
eligibility, appeal procedures and
Times are 7:30-9:30 p.m.
both nights at Van Tech school,
2600 East Broadway. Phone
681-7532 to register.
'Tween classes
Meeting, noon, upper lounge, International House.
Provincial convention, all day, Sheraton Landmark.
Election of student reps for departmental     committees,     noon,     Bu.
Organizational  meeting, noon, SUB
Meeting, noon, SUB 211.
General meeting, noon, SUB 205.
General meeting, noon, SUB 119.
Poetry reading by Pat Lowther and
Dave Day, noon, Bu. 204.
Meeting to sign up new curlers,
noon, SUB 115.   »
First meeting, "thera," 8 p.m., 4524
West Seventh.
Festival party featuring The Reflection, admission $1, members; $2.25
non-members; 9 p.m.-l a.m., Grad
Student Centre.
General    meeting   and   first   jump
course, noon, SUB 215.
Faculty viola recital, music of J. S.
Bach by Hans-Karl Piltz, 8 p.m., 8
p.m., music building recital hall.
Meeting, new members welcome,
noon, SUB 213.
Film, Slaughterhouse Five, noon,
Lutheran campus centre. Also
retreat featuring the same film at
Point Roberts, meet for dinner at
5 p.m. at Lutheran campus centre..
Grand opening of the cage; disco;
beer, 25 cents; 8 p.m., 2280 Wesbrook.
Auditions     for     Mrozer's     Tango,
noon,   Freddie   Wood  theatre   112.
Party   for   new  and   old   members,
byob, 8 p.m., SUB 212.
International     folk    dancing    from
Hungary,   Poland, Balkans, Turkey,
Greece,      Israel     and     elsewhere,
7:30-11 p.m., SUB 212.
Program   begins  4:30   p.m.,  supper
at 6 p.m., Lutheran campus centre.
Practice,    new   members   welcome,
4:30-6:30   p.m.,   SUB   party   room
for ballroom.
Men's     junior     varsity     basketball
tryouts,   4:30   p.m.,   War   Memorial
Dance,    7:30-9:30    p.m.,   Armories
Auditions for Mrozer's Tango, 3:30
p.m.,   Freddie   Wood  Theatre   112.
DANCE to disco music
Featuring 4 Best 'LG Jocks
FRIDAY, Sept. 26/75
SUB BALLROOM 8:30-12:30
BOSE 901
Sept. 26, 27 only
See Page 15
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in concert at SFU
Sunday, September 28
8 o'clock at the theatre
Admission $1 at the door
This is an opportunity for you to make tRe AMS something more than a
"self-perpetuating bureaucracy full of circular arguments and irrelevant decisions."
Become a member of an AMS or Presidential Committee. You can have a voice in the
policy making bodies at UBC.
The following committees have student positions available:
1. Traffic and Parking
2. Bookstore
3. Food Services
4. Master Teacher
5. Safety, Security and Fire Prevention
6. Charitable Donations
7. Men's Athletic Committee
8. War Memorial Gym Trust Advisory
1. Elections
2. Eligibility
3. Students' Court
4. Speakers
5. Special Events
6. Restructuring of the AMS
7. Housing
8. Open House
Get involved by submitting your name to Ellen Paul, AMS Secretary, SUB Rm. 250, or 228-2050.
1100 Chestnut St., Kitsilano Point
commencing immediately
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Paper By Hand, Indian Use of Plant Materials,
Exploring The Museum Through Drawing,
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'Admin stalls negotiations'
The university administration is
deliberately stalling in its contract
negotiations with the Association
of University and College Employees, a union spokeswoman
claimed Thursday.
Emerald Murphy, AUCE local 1
president, said the two sides met
Thursday for their seventeenth
negotiating session and "nothing
important has come up yet."
She said AUCE's first contract
was negotiated in 32 sessions last
"So far in 17 sessions we've
discussed bulletin boards and
getting off work for jury duty,"
Murphy said.
"One wage offer was made and
it's pretty good as a starting point
for further negotiations, but it
barely covers the current cost of
living and makes no provision for
the future."
Murphy said that she personally
feels wages are not the main issue
in the negotiations.
"Current negotiations are going
badly because of the administration's philosophy. They
are interested in management
rights and want to control
everything," she said.
"They feel a clerical worker is
not responsible for her own job,
and is not capable of making
The important issues, according
to Murphy, are vacations, union
security and a restructuring of the
wage schedule.
In last year's contract, AUCE
members won three weeks
vacation after one year of work
and five weeks after eight years.
The administration says it now
wants to cut vacations to two
weeks after one year of work, and
to five weeks after 12 years to bring
AUCE vacation length into line
with other unions at UBC.
The university also wants to
abolish the closed shop which
AUCE currently uses and replace
it with a Rand formula shop.
Under the Rand system, employees pay union dues but do not
have to join the union. All employees must belong in a closed
"The current wage schedule is
dreadful," Murphy claimed.
"There is hardly any difference in
wage categories, so if any employee is promoted she can hardly
tell the difference in her pay
AUCE   held  a   strike   seminar
Saturday fer all locals, but Nancy
Wiggs,    AUCE    member    and.
seminar organizer said this does
not mean that a strike will occur.
"We held the seipinar because
the contract is expiring, and a
strike is therefore a possibility. It
is the duty of union leadership to be
prepared for the possibility of a
AUCE members will not know if
they are ready to strike until the
negotiations reach a further stage.
Both Murphy and Wiggs said they
expect more action from members
after Sept. 30, when the contract
"We will put more pressure on
the administration after that
date," Wiggs said.
Wiggs said strike strategy was
discussed in the seminar, which
was well-attended by AUCEi
representatives from UBC, Simon
Fraser University and Notre Dame
—doug field photo
STICKS AND STONES may break bones but they are also very handy
for commemorating some of UBC's quasi-heroes, past and present.
Left, aggies have planted outside McMillan building a Walter H. Gage
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—matt king photo
sapling — honoring former administration president. Right, rock
monolith located in Fairview Grove commemorates UBC's second
administration president, Leonards. Klinck.
Students to sit on ed department c'tee
A B.C. education department
official said Thursday students will
sit on a new student services
Student services head Dean
Clarke said the committee will
advise the department on student
aid, housing, food services and
daycare and is near approval by
the education department.
He said the committee would
make policy recommendations
about "para-educational" matters
relating to students.
"It (the committee) would be a
big step forward in student
representation," he said.
Glenn MacKenzie, a B.C. Student
Federation executive member,
said Thursday the Committee
would be "a step in the right direction."
He said he was told at an
organizational    meeting    with
official that three students will sit
on the committee.
The BCSF will appoint the
students at its November conference, MacKenzie said.
Another BCSF executive
member, Janet Neilson, said
Thursday the committee will
advise the B.C. student loan
committee about its student aid
policy decisions.
"They are now finally proposing
Issue now 'economic survival
From page 1
• said then that after the decision to certify was
made he was sceptical of the action.
"But I think it's the right direction to move
although it was a motion intent on money
only," he said.
Economics prof Stuart Jamieson led the
move to certify at a lively meeting of 400 profs
Feb. 14, 1974.
But almost immediately, despite a 185-72
vote in favor of certification, a split developed
and a phenomenal back-room and public war
broke out.
The unionization move continued in April,
when the association voted 374 to 154 to amend
its constitution to permit certification, by
eliminating deans and administration officials from membership.
But association president Milton Moore
resigned in May, after less than two months in
office, because he had apparently changed his
mind and wanted to be free to "speak his
mind" against certification.
And the fight continued, with new president
Meredith Kimball leading an increasingly
fractionalized and divided group.
By October, 1974, the association had
reversed itself and voted to withdraw its
certification application. It agreed to hold a
mail ballot in which members could choose
whether they wanted to certify, bargain as
before or bargain collectively outside the B.C.
Labor Code.
In a close ballot last summer, members
decided to opt for a "special plan" allowing
collective bargaining but without strikes and
Labor Relations Board involvement.
Jamieson said Thursday: "I have to consider myself at a loss", why the ranks of junior
and left-wing profs, who originally supported
certification, backed off.
He said many profs feared union certification would force the "industrial model of
labor relations" on UBC.
Jamieson said profs began fearing
unionization was "not designed for learning
institutions like UBC."
When he was asked if he thinks profs
rejected the unionization idea because they
feared it would lower them to the level of the
industrial working class, he said: "I don't
really think I'd be that bald."
Current association president Donald
McCrae says profs reversed their decision to
seek certification because of "a general fear
of what that would get the university into."
-He says many profs were afraid the LRB
would try to interfere in university affairs,
and the LRB would not understand the
"unique qualities" of the university.
Jamieson suggested: "Once it got contentious, then a lot of tame souls just backed
off," including talented junior profs who
thought unionization would not help their
ambitions to rise to become senior profs.
One prof, originally a strong supporter of
the unionization move but now an annoyed,
disinterested association member, said the
unionization idea began dying when the
government came through with enough
money to allow profs to receive a 25 to 30 per
cent salary increase in one year.
He said many profs are now only interested
in "economic survival" for themselves and
their families and have grown disinterested in
the collective bargaining process.
Jamieson and McRae, despite differing
viewpoints, say their view is less pessimistic.
Jamieson said the framework for union
certification remains in the revised
association constitution, so unionization can
take place in the future if the university administration refuses to bargain in good faith.
However he said he finds it hard to believe
the association will have much power at the
bargaining table without the strike weapon.
McCrae described the framework
agreement as a contract legally binding on
the parties.
"This agreement will be like a labor code —
legally binding for both organizations," he
"It requires the university and association
to bargain in good faith," he said. "In any
effect, in case of a breach of contract, the
university could be sued in the courts."
McRae said that in the unlikely event
disputes would go to the courts, the
association could collect damages from the
administration if breach of contract is
But the scope of collective negotiations is
restricted to "salary and economic matters"
and some aspects of promotion and tenure,
McRae said.
The association won't negotiate on
university governance, teaching and work
loads and faculty relationships with students.
In other words, the association won't use
the collective bargaining mechanism to upset
the status quo.
proposed student services committee) as well intentioned until
proven otherwise," she said.
Clarke said the committee,
which he said he hopes will hold its
first meeting within a month, will
absorb the student aid appeals
committee which recently admitted a student representative.
He said the student services
committee would branch into subcommittees to study separate
Neilson said the BCSF will have
to wait until the committee first
meets before deciding if the
committee will have any real
"It remains to be seen if we will
have input into department policymaking," she said. "I do not think
this will be the same kind of deal as
the appeals committee where we
have no influence on policy."
Clarke said the government will
take the advice of the committee
seriously and develop policy on
committee recommendations.
"Its (the committee's)
recommendations will be taken
almost as gospel. Whether the
government does anything about it
is another matter.
"There is no way they will say it
has any power to make decisions,"
Clarke said.
Neilson said the BCSF is pleased
with the education department's
move in setting up the committee,
but wants student representation
on decision making bodies,
especially bodies concerned with
student aid.
• She said the BCSF wants
students on the B.C. student loan
committee and a reversal of
Canadian education ministers'
representation policy after their
recent Regina conference was
closed to students.
The federation also wants more
student representation on community college councils (or boards
of governors) and students sitting
on the Universities Council. Probe veeps
It seems conflict on interest doesn't ruffle any feathers
on this campus.
After The Ubyssey revealed a week ago today the
strange dealings behind selection of the new administration
vice-presidents, an outrage of protest and surprise was
Some expectation.
There hasn't been a peep, publicly at least, demanding
any type of look into the appointments of new veeps Charles
"Chuck" Connaghan and Michael Shaw.
Both Shaw and Connaghan sat on a committee
appointed by the board of governors and senate to help select
veeps for academic development and faculty and student
After candidates had submitted their names, Shaw
decided to resign from the committee and toss his name into
the hat. Could it be that having seen the names he thought
he had a good chance and quit? Or did administration
president Doug Kenny, the committee chairman, eye the
names and, not liking what he saw, ask Shaw to join the
Then, after Shaw was picked, Connaghan got a piece of
the action when Kenny appointed him veep for non-academic
There should be an independent inquiry into the series
of events surrounding the selection process, perhaps sanctioned by the board of governors or even the Canadian
Association of University Teachers (CAUT).
Why there even is talk in the back halls of campus that a
formal" complaint will be lodged with CAUT. Hopefully
someone will have the guts to speak up.
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UEL plan
Open letter to administration
president Doug Kenny.
As you will have heard by now, a
developer is planning to build a $35
million high-rise in the endowment
lands on 3.6 acres currently occupied by low-income housing in
which many students live. The
developer has stated he plans to
put in only high-income housing.
I realize the university has no
direct control over the endowment
lands and rarely interferes in their
development, but in this case I
think it would do the university
good to take a public stand against
the developer's proposals.
If a trend towards surrounding
the university with high-income
housing continues, the faculty,
students and staff will not only
become more isolated from the
normal community, but also more
commonly associated with the rich
and well-to-do of our province.
In addition, the university will
serve its students well if it helps
them find and preserve inexpensive housing, despite the opposition of wealthy developers'.
Students' council voted
unanimously Wednesday to tell the
developer it is opposed to his
proposals and I hope the entire
university will act unanimously in
this matter. A little jawboning may
go a long way.
Jake van der Kamp,
AMS president.
SUB policy
The SUB management committee of the Alma Mater Society is •
presently discussing a 28-page
draft policy which is to be
presented to the AMS executive for
adoption. Last Tuesday a
delegation of members and supporters of the Young Socialist club
on campus presented an amendment to the committee.
We proposed that section A-l of
the proposed "Priorities for Office
Allocations" be taken out completely from the draft. That section
reads: "Because the SUB doesn't
have room to provide all political
points of view with office space,
groups whose main function is to
represent a political point of view
on campus will not receive office
In protest against that clause we
presented a petition signed by
close to a hundred students & staff
which affirmed: "We support the
right of all student groups
(political, religious, social, etc.) to
have office space on campus."
Support for the petition included
signatures from both the Young
Liberals and Young Conservatives
on campus.
We protest the committee's
proposed policy as a case of blatant
political discrimination and a
dangerous precedent against the
full freedom of political expression
of students at UBC. It is dangerous
because it specifies "political
organizations" for separate status,
ie. no right whatsoever to office
space; and because it leaves the
definition of "political" up to the
handful of students who form the
AMS executive.
This year's office allotment,
which was made on the basis of this
unadopted policy, is a case in point.
The Gay Alliance Towards
Equality, the Women's Office, the
Young Christian Fellowship, the
Crusaders for Christ have all
received office facilities in SUB;
and so they should, they have
every right to them; but we would
argue that they are definitely
"political" organizations,
representing a "political point of
The struggle to defend gays
against discrimination or to defend
women against their oppression is
very "political." Both struggles
ask the question "who rules and
with what policies."
Christianity has been a political
force for many hundreds of years;
it represents a particular way of
looking at the world and acting
within it — and that's politics. The
AMS itself is a very political
organization. Every decision it
makes, whether it's about Moshe
Dayan getting student funds or
not; whetherit'sabout supporting a
strike by campus workers; or if its
about presenting for referendum a
proposal to change AMS from a
student union to nothing more than
an overlarge sub-management
committee, every such discussion
or decision by the AMS is very
But according to the SUB
management committee's allotment of offices this year, the only
political organizations on campus
are the Young Socialists, the
Young Conservatives, the Young
Liberals, and the New Democratic
Now, the AMS executive
members will argue against this
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University Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page Friday, a weekly
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"War is heck," Ralph Maurer intoned arrogantly from his post tucked
behind a swivel chair. "War is where you are," cried Marcus Gee, Mark
Buckshon, Doug Rushton and Gary Coull as they grabbed rubber bands
and an ammo dump full of paper clips. "Heck is hell," moaned Sue
"Meeeee" Vohanka, Doug Field; Matt King and Peter Cummings as they
caught clips between the eyes. The battle lines were drawn as reinforcements came out of the war.press club crying "Where the heckarewe" and
doing a fast goose step. Len. MacKave, Heather Walker, Patti-Reay Stahl,
Gregg Thompson, Charlie Rendina and Anne Wallace all laid down their
lives crying "without war there would be no profits." Nodding in
triumphant agreement were Mark Lepitre, Cedric Tetzel, Barry Jensen,
Boyd McConnell, Eric Ice Berg, Sveinn Magnusson, Carl Vestervack, Tom
Barnes, Tom Barnes, Tom Barnes, Bob Diotte, Greg Strong, Ron Binns,
Lorna Millard, Corbet Locke and Jean Randall. "Heck is war," Maurer
conclused wistfully.
letter, that they abhor political
discrimination, but because there
is a lack of space in the SUB,
someone has to suffer. This
argument is pretty lame on two
First, what we are discussing
here is the question of policy: Who
has the right to office space and the
use of campus resources? We are
not discussing the implementation
of the policy, that is, how much
space is available. We are saying
that all groups have equal right to
use the resources of this campus.
Once we have established that, all
these groups can sit down and work
out an equitable division of those
resources to best meet everyone's
And if there are not enough
resources in SUB to do this, we can
work together to force the administration to provide more
facilities. But, first and foremost,
it must be established that all
student groups have equal right to
use these resources.
Secondly, as a result of the
implementation of this policy this
year only two groups were denied
office space, both of them political
groups. But how did the denial of
two groups, who could have shared
the same one office, manage to
resolve this overwhelming shortage of space that is used to
motivate this discriminatory
For all of the above reasons we
think that this SUB management
policy has got to be thrown into the
dustbin, and quickly. Instead of
defending the right to political
expression on campus it opens the
door to political discrimination.
Instead of uniting students in an
effort to obtain the resources we
need to carry out various on-
campus activities, this policy acts
to set one group of students against
another, a situation which this
campus administration loves to see
rather than be faced with us
demanding that they meet our
needs and provide adequate
Anyone who agrees with this
argument should attend the SUB
management committee meeting
next Monday at noon upstairs in
SUB and help us to get this policy
Joanne Clifton
UBC Young Socialists
I would like to register a protest
against the pseudo-new journalism
crap you're running on page five
and calling a column. It's not that I
have anything against the new
journalism, or gonzo journalism,
or whatever you and old Hunter S.
want to call it. It's just that this
The basis of any sort of journalism, be it by Hunter S. Thompson or the New York Times, is
presumably to inform and interest.
This column does neither.
It does not inform, because the
style is so convoluted that one can't
really understand what F.O'. is
trying to say.
I mean really, when you read
Hunter S. Thompson at least you
found out, say, how difficult it was
to get ice during the seige of
Saigon, and what this means in
terms of the conflict (if you are
really diligent).
And it doesn't interest because,
again, the style is so convoluted,
the message so obscure and the
"insights" so petty that it leaves
nothing to wonder about aside from
why the Ubyssey bothers running
Really gang, the column blows.
I think you should write it off as
something that was, perhaps,
worth trying, but that failed.
Lesley Krueger
grey eminence
Kiss my ass!
Bruce     Rutley
aggie 4
Bob Groenveld
aggie 4
The logic of this letter escapes us
but we needed it to fill a tiny hole in
this column.
The Ubyssey welcomes letters
from all readers.
Letters should be signed and
Pen names will be used when the
writer's real name is also included
for our information in the letter or
when valid reasons for anonymity
are given. Friday, September 26, 1975
Page 5
Make student reps count
The following is an historical
piece on the battle for student
representation on decision-making
bodies at the UBC. Corbet Locke,
who worked for the University of
Calgary's student newspaper for a
number of years and is now
studying English here, talks about
the need to utilize the representation now in existence.
Students have been battering at
the door to UBC's enclaves of
power since the "Great Trek" to
the Point Grey campus in 1922.
Now, after decades of student
striving in this direction, the door
is slightly ajar. But it will take
strenuous and concerned student
effort to keep this door from being
slammed shut again.
Substantial progress has been
made in the past decade.
A critical meeting of the board of
governors was held on Feb. 9, 1967,
a meeting which The Ubyssey
requested be open since major
decisions were to be made affecting student finances and the
quality of education.
In an open letter to Mr. Justice
Nathan T. Nemetz, then-board
chairman, then-Ubyssey editor
John Kelsey wrote:
"Although it is not required by
the universities act of this
province, the University of B.C.
board of governors finds it
necessary to meet in secret.
"This gives the university the
character of a corporation,
although in reality its students are
more analogous to citizens than
employees. Municipal councils
meet publicly and openly, moving
in camera only for personality
discussions and certain contractual debates."
This appeal was rejected, though
Kelsey reasoned:
"In the final analysis, the interests of the board and of students
is identical — a better UBC. If
students were privy to the board's
deliberations, new information and
new directions might be evolved
for the board by students. In
return, students would gain a
better understanding of the why of
the university situation."
In rejecting this application, the
UBC administration president,
John Macdonald, said: "The
Ubyssey has compared the
university to a municipality. This
is not a valid comparison. The
university is not a legislative body,
but an institution devoted to
Macdonald failed to note that the
board itself is a legislative body for
a constituency and community of
scholars (and those taking
professional training), and that the
fundamental purpose of the
university is the students.
Notingthat most members of the
board belong to the "corporate
elite," Alma Mater Society first-
vice president Charlie Boylan
declared: "It's not enough to express opinions as such, we want to
share in the process of decisionmaking."
This theme has been echoed on
most campuses, and more and
more   strongly   at   UBC   since.
F.O'. back
Finally, in April, 1975, meetings of
the board were declared open
(except for personal or contractual
At the University of Calgary, for
example, the student newspaper
The Gauntlet gained admission to
board meetings in March, 1972,
through the simple expedient of
phoning up the chancellor and
requesting admission.
Since there was no regulation
prohibiting this The Gauntlet's
representatives were there to
observe the effects on students of
proposed budget slashes. And
there were two student
representatives on the board to
present the students' views
(though, candidly, it didn't do
much good).
At UBC, the first chink in the
armor against student voices in
decision-making came in April,
1973. That month the senate
recommended that there be
student representation ' in the
senate (two representatives),
board of governors (two
representatives), and on faculty
councils and committees (a
minimum of five, per cent of the
members, and a maximum of
twenty-five per cent)„
The senate also recommended
that the election ,of student
representatives be conducted by
the undergraduate and graduate
societies, not by faculty members.
Then the opposing pressure and
qualifications began to build up.
The then administration president
Walter Gage appointed a committee, chaired by professor
Margaret Prang of the history
department, to make recommendations on student
This committee reported in
November, 1973, its recommendations on student
representation being:
Agricultural sciences: Three
representatives with 52 faculty (six
per centJ, comprised of two undergraduates and one graduate —
the election to be organized by
student organizations;
Applied Sciences: Sixteen
representatives with 173 faculty
(16 per cent), four from the
engineering undergraduate
society, 12 from various other
departments and programs —
election procedures to be arranged
by  students and administration;
Arts low
Arts: Twenty-three representatives with 464 faculty (five per
cent), limited to honors, majors
and graduate students by department or school. Arts was the only
faculty recommending that
elections be conducted by the
Commerce and Business Administration: Eleven representatives, with 71 faculty (15 per
cent), one first year, two second
year, five third year and fourth
year students, and three in
graduate studies — the elections to
be conducted by the commerce
undergraduate society;
Education: Fifteen representatives with 231 faculty ( six per
cent), and no recommendation on
election procedures or
Forestry: six representatives
with 43 faculty (14 per cent), four
undergraduate with two graduate
— elections to be conducted by the
forestry  undergraduate   society;
Law:' Twelve representatives
with 50 faculty (25 per cent), from
the law undergraduate society by
year — elections by the LUS (this
faculty shows the highest percentage of student representation);
Medicine: Twenty-two
representatives with 191 faculty
(eight per cent), eight undergraduates, eight residents,
three in rehabilitation medicine
and three graduate students —
elections to be conducted by the
medicine undergraduate society
and the rehabilitation medicine
society, with the residents and
graduate students to be announced;
Science: Twenty-four
representatives with 358 faculty
(seven per cent), 18 from departments, three from the science
undergraduate society, one from
the general program, and one each
from the first and second year;    ,
Graduate Studies: Thirty-five
representatives of 1,176 faculty
(about half of the five per cent
minimum recommended by the,
senate), with the procedure for
choosing them not indicated.
The recommendations excluded
student participation in the matters of the hiring and firing of
professors, promotion, tenure and
With regard to the graduate
studies faculty's nominal
representation, the then graduate
studies dean Ian McTaggart-
Cowan wanted the student
representation lowered to 30
students rather than the 60 which
five per cent representation would
accord because often less than 60
members of the faculty attend
meetings, and students could
conceivably outnumber faculty at
a meeting. No further comment is
needed on this view.
A task force on the future of post-
secondary education In B.C.,
headed at first by John Bremer,
received submissions between the
spring of 1973 and the summer of
1974 — when a new Universities
Act was passed.
Bremer was fired several
months before the act was okayed
by the legislature.
The new act (it was last
revamped in 1963) recommends
between 10 per cent and 25 per cent
student participation on faculty
committees, but ar. the discretion
of professors. The faculty need not
get senate approval to decide how
many students may sit in on their
meetings, and . if student
representation drops below five
per cent students have no power to
effect a change.
This was criticized by student
representatives because although
the act guarantees them
representation on the senate and
board of governors, they recognize
that these bodies generally
"rubber stamp" sensitive
decisions made at lower levels —
where ' the real power lies in
academic matters which most
affect students.
The real drive for student
representation at the decisionmaking level began in 1972, when
about 200 students walked into a
faculty meeting and demanded
representation there. In the fall of
1973 the Prang report was issued.
The Arts Undergraduate Society
president then, Bill Moen, objected
to the Prang report on these
"First,' it does not allow for
student representation from first
and second year arts. Second, it
prohibits student representation on
some important committees which
the senate recommendations
would allow. Third, it involves
electing student representatives to
senate by a mail ballot through a
registrar, thus eliminating the
constituent element and individualizing the decision about
student representation completely."
Some of the reasons given for
taking the election out of the
students' hands were nothing short
of indescribably contemptible
autocratic arrogance. French
department head Larry Bongie
was quoted in the Ubyssey of Feb.
26, 1973 as saying that students
were "too irresponsible" and incapable "of fairly conducting the
elections, especially after viewing
the arts undergraduate society
reaction to the registrar-run
Students at virtually all other
North American universities seem
to be able to conduct their own
elections fairly and equitably
(sometimes more so than their
more 'mature' elders), and we find
it difficult to believe that students
at UBC are less responsible and
fair than students at other
universities, or in this case that
arts students are less responsible
than other students at UBC.
Bongie probably figures that the
only   people   with   "responsible"
views are those who agree with his
opinions (oozing with bigoted
pejorative though they be). Being a
French teacher, it is surprising he
hasn't encountered at any stage
the fair-minded perspective of
Voltaire, who once declared: "I
may thoroughly disagree with
what you say, but I shall defend to
the death your right to say it."
In order to countervail
Bongieism at UBC, both students
and faculty members would do
well to heed a reminder made by a
University of Calgary board of
governors member, Mary Greene,
at the first open meeting of, that
board in 1972: "We seem to be
forgetting, gentlemen, that the
purpose ot this university is the
Not violent
UBC students have never been
violent. Quite the contrary, they
have been eminently reasonable in
their approaches to representation. It is regrettable that this
restraint and reason has not met
with an equal degree of responsiveness in some quarters — and
that students' sensitivity to student
concerns has not been more
abundantly available on decisionmaking councils at UBC.
However, the door has been
pushed ajar after many years of
dedicated effort on the part of
successive generatio'ns of students.
The only way to bongo Bongieism
is to make sure that there are
student voices in every pew
available in , the university's
academic and governing hierarchies.
Got a beef, bitch or bone to pick?
Soapbox may be the forum for
The Ubyssey is interested in.
articles from people who can
clearly present a particular point
of view which is best published in
the author's own words rather than
in a news story by one of our
The Ubyssey reserves the right
not to print any articles the staff
does not think fit the soapbox
format of topical, relevant
material written in concise style.
is an integrated study-guide prepared by the training task force of
the Vancouver Reachout. The curriculum consists of 7 study-
lectures on one-to-one discipleship. Christian community, and
the gifts of the Spirit.
7 teaching sessions based on this curriculum will be presented to
the Christian community on campus by local pastoral leaders.
The studies will be held in S.U.B. Auditorium at 12:30 p.m. on
consecutive weeks, beginning on Wednesday, October 1.
This opportunity for prayer, fellowship, and study is sponsored by:
Campus Crusade for Christ, Charismatic Christian Fellowship, Chinese
Christian Fellowship, Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship, Navigators, Regent
College, and Vancouver Reachout. All Christians on campus are invited to
attend. Page 6
Friday, September 26, 1975
Anti-Trident week set
A Trident Concern Week will be
held in November to protest
construction' of the nuclear submarine and missile base scheduled
to be built in Bangor, Wash.
Alma Mater Society vice-
president Dave van Blarcom said
Thursday the week is tentatively
scheduled for Nov. 24-29, and will
feature speakers, films and
AMS council voted Sept. 17 to
endorse a Trident Concern Day,
but recent meetings between AMS
representatives and members of a
group       protesting       nuclear
BCIT holds
food hikes
The B.C. Institute of Technology
board of governors has limited
food price hikes to 10 per cent more
than last year's prices.
BCfT principal Gordon Thom
said Thursday the limit is an interim measure until a detailed cost
study he had initiated is complete.
The board originally voted to
increase prices 10 per cent above
the cost of supplies and services.
But BCIT students refused to pay
the resulting increase of 80 to 90
per cent more than last year and
boycotted the food services late
last week.
Thom said the administration
and the board want to set a fair
price structure.
The interim prices will remain in
effect until the cost study is
completed in about a month, Thom
developments have resulted in
expansion of the plans.
Van Blarcom said speaking
invitations will be extended to
Vancouver lawyer and alderman
Harry Rankin, Conservative party
leader Dr. Scott Wallace, NDP-
MLAs Rosemary Brown and Peter
Rolston, former aerospace
engineer and arms race critic
Robert Aldridge and other citizens
and professors.
No speaking committments have
been finalized yet, he added.
Van Blarcom also said campus
undergraduate societies are being
asked to sponsor workshops and
other events during the week.
Jim Douglass, a Pacific Life
Community representative, said
Thursday the protest week is being
organized to build non-violent
opposition to the proposed nuclear
He said his group is composed of
"people committed to nonviolence
as a way of life. It is a transnational community working at
building a non-violent resistance
community across borders."
Douglass said petitions opposing
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throughout the campus in hopes of
collecting 50,000 signatures by
early December.
The petitions will be presented to
Canada's external affairs minister
Allan MacEachen.who has said the
Canadian government will not
oppose Trident.
Dewdney MLA Rolston has
raised the issue in B.C.'s
legislature, urging protest against
the missile base and support of
groups opposing Trident.
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9:45 a.m. A variety of adult seminars.
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Principal, Carey Hall
Attention All Students
The following AMS Executive and Students' Council positions are now vacant:
l.AMS Internal Affairs
2. AMS External Affairs
3. AMS Ombudsperson
Nominations for the three AMS Positions will be received from 9:00 a.m. Wednesday October 1,
1975 until 12:00 noon Thursday October 9, 1975.
Nominations and eligibility forms can be obtained and shall be returned to the office of the AMS
Executive Secretary, Rm. 246, SUB. Election rules will be available at the above location also.
The election for all positions will be held Wednesday October 15, 1975.
Ellen Paul
AMS Secretary
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DRESS—Hard Times
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TIME—8:30 p.m.-1:00 a.m.
Saturday Sept. 27
NOON TODAY—Boat Races-SUB Mall
■■■i»ipi«!piWip,iHi»,iHi»ipiBiBi^^ PF cuts novelists Sylvia Fraser, Graeme Gibson, Robert Kroetsch and Audrey
Thomas from the herd at last weekend's forum with six Canadian novelists held in Brock
Hall. See centre spread for the text of the interview. Helping out regular PF staffers Eric
Ivan Berg, poet and Creative Writing-Film graduate, and Robert Diotte, who recently
did an MA thesis in modern Canadian fiction, is Geoffrey Hancock, a PF staffer and a
local freelance writer, as well as the editor of the Canadian Fiction Magazine.
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The photos from the top clockwise are Graeme Gibson, novelist and current president
of the Canadian Writer's Union; Robert Kroetsch, winner of the Governor General's
Award for fiction; poet, novelist and critic Margaret Atwood; novelist Audrey Thomas;
Maritime writer and novelist Harold Horwood; and Toronto novelist Sylvia Fraser.
The novelists were here to promote the awareness of Canadian Literature in the
schools and among the general public. The weekend was sponsored jointly by the Centre
for Continuing Education and the Canada Council. Ill^l!#ilM|^IJ|M^*t ■PS#^:^
Tlits past weekend, Page Friday staffers Geoff Hancock,
Bob Diotte and Eric Berg corralled some of Canada9s
foremost writers	
Bob Diotte: One of the things
that bothers me about this whole
Novelist's Weekend is the fact that
you people are here hyping your
books in a way. Pushing a kind of
capital "K" Germanic "Kultur."
Does that bother you at all?
Graeme Gibson: First of all I'm
not sure that we're here hyping up
our books. Surely that wasn't the
sense I had in coming. That is what
one is doing. It seems to me we
may be here in some sense. But
again it's not even hyping, one is
arguing for certain things. But I
think it's got more substance than
what hype would generally mean.
Eric Berg: What Bob meant was
"PR." By the very fact that you're
here you're doing effective public
relations — or ineffective PR as
that may be, for your books.
Gibson: I don't think that's the
central issue.
Audrey Thomas: We were asked
to come, we didn't ask to come.
The idea is to have a Weekend with
Canadian Novelists. We're
Canadian novelists, we write in
students and still argue this case.
It's incredible!
Thomas: Just the statistics that
were quoted yesterday (Saturday)
about B.C. and Canada in the
schools — that really shocked me.
Sylvia Fraser: Six point nine. To
get the statistic on tape. Six point
nine of . . . the question . . . well
lemme get it right. The question
was in 1972-73 did any students in
your school take one concentrated
term of Can Lit? And in Ontario the
answer was 70.5 per cent.* The
Atlantic provinces was 15 per cent.
The prairie provinces it was 11.5
per cent and B.C. it was 6.9 per
cent. And that was less than half of
the smallest and when you
examine the question the question
was Do any students. . . And it
turned out when you examined that
to be a few academic students in
grade 13. So that we think this is a
shocking state. I would say we are
here out of a lot of good will and
caring. And I would also state
categorically that we are giving
more than we expect to receive.
Gibson:  No, you didn't say. . .
Diotte: Graeme, you see the
irony is you're professional writers
and here you are promoting
Canadian Literature which is
really something different.
Berg: Capital "L."
Kroetsch: (laughs) I guess as a
writer I'm offended by the cliche
metaphor where you're metaphor
is controlling your thinking. The
minute you go into the Baby
metaphor you've already trapped
yourself into questions and answers. I'm like Graeme, I'm not
interested in your metaphor. That
it's a contemporary literature yes!
But the minute you say it's a
Contemporary Literature it's a
different ball game we're talking
about. . . isn't it? Or that's another
bad cliche but. . : It's a different
thing. The minute we say Here's a
new Literature ■ . . one of the
exciting things about it is there are
no Great Writers who'stand out the
way there are when we look at a
literature of the past. We're in this
thing together. The sorting will be
REPORTER HANCOCK eyes open-mouthed writer Fraser. Kroetsch reflects upon wise words
Canada. You know, the question is
unfair — obviously we're going to
talk from our own books and from
our own experiences. Everybody
does that whatever their particular
profession. The hype, it seems to
me, has been more from the floor
in a sense than from the novelists
themselves. Well, that's terrific —
I mean that's very rewarding, but I
don't think we've been promoting
our own book or each other's books
at all. In fact we've been very
careful. I know when I used an
example yesterday I used it from
one of Margaret Lawrence's books
so we wouldn't get into any
discussion amongst ourselves
about our own books. And I think
that we've avoided that. Why
should we — there are better ways
to promote books than to spend two
12-hour days meeting at a
Berg: Right, you could hit all the
Diotte: Well, there are better
ways to promote books but the
book as culture- now that's
something a little bit different, I
would say.
Robert Kroetsch: Well, it
depends how you mean culture.
Now we don't mean your capital K
Kultur. It's just the pulture as a
way that we organize a society
with it. The irony is that here we
are in one of Uie hotbeds
presumably of Canadian writing
trying to establish a foothold for
Canadian writing. It's a little hard
to grasp once in a while. That's an
irony that bothers me, that we
have   to   come   here   and   meet
We spent one very very full day
yesterday. We were kidding about
it, we all belong to the Writer's
Union, we were kidding and saying
we should form a union because we
had to work thirteen hours
Berg: God, that's overtime.
Fraser: Yeah! Yeah, and I
would say that our impulse for
being here, corny as it may be, is
quite idealistic. That's the way I
feel about it and so I dislike the
way the question was formed as
hyping. I don't see that at all.
Berg: I think one of the questions
that we're all concerned a bout here
— and I think that one everyone is
concerned about here is about this
baby, this infant called Canadian
Literature. As in the novel, as
exemplified by the novel. Its living
or dying condition. About how
much pablum we're actually
stuffing into it via the publishers.
Gibson: Now hold on, that's a
really provocative way of saying
Berg: Well no actually. . .
Gibson: It's not an infant, it's not
a baby, and it's not pablum!
Berg: That's great but. . .
Gibson: . . .1 mean look — I don't
want to get into a game where you
provoke us for your newspaper or
for whatever else.
Berg: No, we're just here to. . .
Gibson: It's not presented in a
meaningful way! You're assuming
it's an infant, it's a baby and how
much pablum we're stuffing in it.
Berg: No! I'm talking not about
pablum from you — I said the
done 50 years from now when we're
all dead. But we're alive, we're
trying to do something, we're
trying to make a literature confront people. It's there, the
literature exists. I could name 20
Thomas: If you call it a baby
literature you're giving a way out
to excuse its faults and a way in to
patronize it and both of those are
really dangerous positions.
Berg: No, by generic comparison, simply the length that
Canadian Literature compared to
the American and the British
traditional history makes it a
rather young literature!
Fraser: I don't think we're interested in being defensive about
those kind of things. I think there is
a feeling in the air that there are a
lot of people who want to read
Canadian literature. There is a lot
of Canadian literature that
stretches back over a fair period of
time. There are a lot of excited and
exciting writers. Now it's a
question of logistics, getting all
that together — reaching hands
across — and I think that a lot of us
have invested a Nfair amount of
energy doing that. And it is
because we think we are responding to a need. Now you may prove
to us otherwise but the feeling in
the air is that people wish to read
Canadian to know what is happening in this country. And
because of a bloody stupid
distribution system, because of
domination by the States, because
of all those logistic, mechanical
things, connections are not being
made. Now we are here hoping to
make connections. It's as simple as
that and as complex as that.
Diotte: What effect does that
have on the Literature though? The
fact that you're responding to a
need out there instead of a need in
Fraser: Nothing whatsoever
because we write our books and
this is entirely separate.
Thomas: In a way we came here
as people to discuss Canadian
literature rather than as writers of
specific books. The readings are
kind of an extra thing. They are
paid for by the Canada Council,
they aren't even really part of the
Weekend as such. They are a very
extra, almost, if you like, a social
aspect to a working weekend. At
least that's the way they seem to
me. One wouldn't even have to
hear the readings at all to make
sense out of the weekend.
Kroetsch: I think in terms of
Contemporary Literature in the
English language world Canadian
literature is as good as any —"
British, American, Indian. . . If
you want to go to better ones, I
suspect maybe Spanish America is
more exciting. If I really had a
choice of languages to be born into
I'd like to be a Chilean (laughs).
Thomas: Well formally they're
doing such exciting things.
Kroetsch: But in the English
language I would say it's as good
as any and I don't want to start-
weighing things. So the next thing
is—let's talk about it. That's what I
want to state. I mean I'm not even
sellingyou necessarily. Let's talk
about it I say to people.
Diotte: Let's talk about
distribution. I was doing a little
course out in South Van, in a
Community Centre, and there were
eight, people in it and nobody had
heard of Margaret Atwood, no
body had heard of Margaret
Lawrence. And this is South
Vancouver! Ok, Where's our
publishing industry at when we
don't have that kind of distribution,
or is it the publishing industry?
Gibson: The publishing industry
is trying to function — that part of
the publishing industry which is
interested in Canadian Literature
— is trying to function in an unfair
market, and they're finding it
extremely difficult to do so. And,
as emerged yesterday, unfair
market is manifest in a number of
ways. In many cases it's not even
such or so much American
domination as the domination of
American (publishing) thinking. In
fact the business practise upon
which publishing in Canada is
based is American business
practise which assumes extremely
high runs. It costs 20 per cent more
to produce a book in Canada at a
Canadian publishing house than it
does in the United States. And the
main reason for that is the size of
the run' and the resultant per unit
cost. And so that you get a
(publishing) house like Jack
McClelland's — he knows that the
average Canadian is not prepared
or has not traditionally been
prepared to pay a little bit more to
be a Canadian. They're really
unwilling to do'that. So he has to
try and sell his books at the same
price as the American (publishers)
which means that his profit
margin, as it were, what he's
playing with, is dangerously,
dangerously close. All he has to do
is have a precarious season and
he's in deep trouble. And then,
alright, if that's the way a
Canadian publishing house is
competing with the Americans,
what happens? They can't spend
the same money on distribution,
they can't spend the same money
on promotion because they don't
have it.
Geoffrey Hancock: I also find it
alarming that in their Fall
Catalogue there is not one work of
fiction from McClelland & Stewart,
and in Ryerson's, and in James
Lorimer's, and in Clark Irwin's.
Gibson: Jim Lorimer's never
been into that kind of thing, you
know, Jim Lorimer's never been
one of the three most successful
Thomas: Yes, you see there's a
problem right there because the
fiction writers are going to go to
the small houses. The small houses
are the ones most hit by the unfair
business practices. I've had this
because I publish with Talon
(Talonbooks — Vancouver). I
publish with Knopf in the States. I
get all kinds of publicity and
distribution (in the States). Here I
publish with Talon as a kind of act
of faith, an act of goodwill, if you
like, their (Talon's) distribution is
absolutely zero. They're always on
the edge of bankruptcy and yet
they do superb books.
Gibson: Anansi (House of Anansi
— Toronto) is the same.
Fraser: Reading Colin's story I
think that they (Canadian
publishers) have" established in
their minds that spring's a better
time to bring out novels really. But
also Farley Mowat's book, The
Snow Walker, is coming out this
fall. So I think that isn't quite as
bad as it sounds.
Thomas: But it is true that you
go to the little presses. A great
many fiction writers go to the little
presses to get books published and
then they're in a kind of double
bind situation. They want to
publish in Canada but it's like
throwing them (books) down a
Berg: Yes, and "publicity?" It
goes with "publishing" — do you
think there is enough of it in
Canada — or what is the state of
publicity in the Canadian
publishing marker that encourages
or simply doesn't do a thing as
fertilizer to help the novels come
Thomas: Well they don't have
Gibson: They don't have the
money and in many cases they
don't — I mean in some cases
where are you going to publicize it.
If in fact when you come to
something like — what people read
is "Time Magazine." Then it's
awfully difficult, as Richard Rohmer demonstrated, to get an accurate reflection of the relative
importance of the book, in terms
commercially, through Time.
They're not really willing to touch
that kind of stuff. So that if you go
into a bookstore in most places in
Canada the bestseller list that's by
the cash register is the New York
Times bestseller list.
Fraser: Also in the States they
play the numbers game. Great
masses of books are thrown out on
the market and if anything starts
to happen around that book then
they start to throw money into that
book.. So we hear about the things
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like Jaws. But they are fertilized
by books that are infinitely better
that sell less than a thousand
copies because it really is. I think
Arthur Hailey has described the
Doubleday System as sort of like
they put all the books on a wheel
and they turn the wheel and
wherever it hits that's where they
throw their (publicity) money. It's
almost a. . .
Berg: . . .a carnival atmosphere?
Fraser: Yeah. And it is the luck
of the draw, it's a case of the big
sweepstakes because there's a
great mass of anonymity you try to
crash through. Once you crash
through the sky's the limit then,
millions and millions of copies.
Here it's entirely different. There
is no big prize. Bestsellers — ten
thousand copies, fifteen thousand
copies or so. Now say it takes, as
we were talking yesterday, three
years to write a book — figure that
out as income. So really there is no
big sweepstake or big payoff here.
On the other hand, on the smaller
scale, in terms of bringing out a
first novel it's much more
rewarding here. There is infinitely
more in the way of feedback. The
comparable sales of first novels
here and in the States are not that
much different — they're probably
about the same.
Gibson: Another thing too is that
when a novel comes out here it is
likely to be reviewed by the basic
newspapers and magazines. It
probably will get Saturday Night
(coverage), it probably will be
reviewed in Quill & Quire, it
probably will be reviewed in the
Star and the Globe & Mail book
page which goes to some extent
across the country. Whereas an
experimental or first novel simply
does not get that kind of coverage
in the United States. It does not get
into the New York Times, it does
not get into the New York Review
it. You know, the fact that there
are critics denouncing art right
and left — however they're
defining it. And that seems to be it.
Kroetsch: Yes, that's good. You
know the writer is as special as
God in a sense that other people
are involved in the text immediately in a real sense, and
that's good!
Hancock: I was thinking of a
good example of course is
Margaret Lawrence because
there's critical books on her out
almost as soon as her novels are off
the press.
Kroetsch: Yes, they must have
been   reading   the   manuscripts,
some of the critics.
. Gibson:   (laughs)   Oh,   most  of
them feel they don't need to.
Thomas: But don't you think this
is also a good place, even though
there's no big prize, there's
enormous support that you don't
get in the States. There's the
Canada Council for instance —
there's no equivalent body in the
States. There is the, you know,
National Arts thing and there's the
Guggenheim (Fellowships) — but
you've got to know people, you've
got to be very very special in one
form or another to get those prizes.
And here there's the CBC which
will buy and pay reasonably well.
There's all kinds of ways to pick up
a living that don't seem to be open
in the States. Even if there is this
big prize (bestseller) if you make it
through the wall.
. Fraser: I'd go so far as to say
that they're almost, considering
the size, of the country (United
States), there's almost no
literature there. And I think it's
partly,because the system ruins —
I think that people do get "wiped
out" before they develop and also
the other thing happens. Norman
Mailer writes The Naked and the
Dead and gets taken to paradise
and celebrated and it's like a
movie star — can he live with that
kind of thing? Maybe his career
any literature?
Fraser: Well look at the size of
the country. I'm not going to argue
that but I'm going to state
categorically that's what I feel.
I'm not going to argue that.
Diotte: OK.
Fraser: But sure I think that one
of the problems here is that we
don't have enough sort of popular
and trash literature. I think it's not
original to say that out of that kind
of pop bag there's a great deal of —
that's the humous out of which
better things grow. I think that if
you are only looking for the great
novel then you are going to again
intimidate and wipe out a lot of
developing people. So I think that a
country is healthiest when every
level of writing is represented. And
I think we are moving into that
position here. So I would hope a lot
of things that quote-unquote
shouldn't be published are
Thomas: And it's the small
presses that often do that.
Fraser: Yeah! Sure!
Berg: Like your Talonbooks?
Thomas: Yeah, like Talonbooks.
Hancock: Except they
(Talonbooks) publish stuff that
should be published.
Thomas: But they also publish
stuff that maybe shouldn't be
published. But that's alright, that's
risk taking.
Berg: They're willing to do it.
Thomas: And in the States they
don't take those kinds of risks.
Hancock: Sylvia (Fraser) has
raised a good point though, and
that in many cases some of the
writers we've got should shut up
and keep writing instead of getting
out there and getting into this type
of Forum — although it's very
important to a certain degree. Well
I think Margaret Atwood is a very
good example of a very fine writer
whose prose talent has not peaked
yet. And being on this type of
barnstorming in fact detracts from
time 'that could be put to better
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of Books, it does not make it on the
equivalent of Anthology (CBC
Radio). So that what happens is
that in many ways this is a much
better situation to be in if you are a
writer. If you are aware of what
you're doing, it's to try and work
out your own vision and your own
structure and sales are something
that happens or doesn't happen
afterward. But if you're a working
practising writer here you get your
feedback and you're more likely to
get your audience.
Hancock: I was just going to
raise that point. The fact that
Canada seems unique in that
there's almost more critics on top
of the artist before anybody else.
You know it may be to their
(writer's) advantage — it may be
to their disadvantage.
Gibson: There's not many
critics, there's a lot of reviewers.
Hancock: (laughs) In fact what
we have here almost exemplifies
indicates he can't. I think a lot of
writers are ruined by this massive
kind of publicity — now Erica
Jong! Now what was that all about
really? From a . . . well let's not
get into that one (laughter). But I
think that the United States has a
system which ruins serious
Berg: Theycan't live up to their
former Pr?
Fraser: Well it pays .off
mediocrity so stunningly!
Diotte: Well I don't know that it
does, but we've got a lot of
mediocrity too (in Canada).
Berg: That means it encourages
Fraser: Sure, in fact I would be
happy to think we did have a lot of
Diotte: You know in thinking of
Joyce Carol Oats and John Updike,
the Americans do have a very
strong literature. I mean how
many front-runners do you get in
Fraser: Oh come now, what do
you want to do change her or. . .
Berg: . . .silence her?
Gibson: There is another novel
coming out (Margaret Atwood's).
Hancock: Yeah, I know there's
one coming out so. . .
Fraser: I think she's very good
. . . what do you want? A Collette
locked in a room to produce, I
mean let's be realistic. There's this
whole business of feeling that a
writer should always be writing.
One does need feed-in. You do
need to make contact with the
environment and the point of the
masturbatory thing you are
suggesting of someone locked in a
room spinning on and on her endless tail. . . .
Hancock: . . .Nope. . .
Fraser: . . .We have the. . .
Gibson:. . .You keep talking and
we'll lock you up (laughter).
Fraser:  (laughs) Yeah! That's
what, that's when you have that
kind of thing. That's when you have
the writer who rewrites the same
book .over and over and over again
because they don't get any feedback.
Hancock: No — that's always the
writer's dilemma though. You
know — because we've got to
balance the writing experience
against the life experience.
" Gibson: There seems to be a
problem in talking about the
writer. It seems to me in the interviews I did and the writers I've
met that there are many different
kinds of writers. You know, and
there is no such thing it seems to
me as a writer where you can say
that this person should be in a room
or shouldn't be in a room and
should have a certain period of
quiet and desperately needs the
hurlyburly. I don't think, well it's
the same question you come down
to How do writers write? You
know, there's as many ways of
writing as there are writers. Now
there are things in common.
Thomas: I'm not sure the prose
style peaks in the same way as •
athletic ability can peak  if you
train every day. It peaks when it's
ready to peak or it doesn't at all.
Gibson: And when the style and
the content come together.
Thomas: And you can't hurry
that and if you do exclude yourself
from society, even if your style
might peak, your content is going
to be divorced from the reality
that's here. And that's very
dangerous. That does happen. You
get a perfect stylist with nothing to
say to the people outside.
Fraser: I think also that writing
isn't a natural progression. You
can write a very good book and
then a very bad book and really not
even know the difference in terms
of your own subjective judgment of
it. It isn't a kind of thing, a craft,
that you get better and better at. I
think one of the tragedies is just as
Audrey (Thomas) has said that
there is a kind of point where you
get your style exactly right and
you've run out of things to say. I
mean there are a lot of writers like
that, a lot of well known writers.
But also my feeling is that I
hesitate to define myself as a
writer because if I'm a writer then
I have to write. Whereas I really
don't want to write unless I have
something to say. And I really
believe in shutting up at times. I
think this pressure, well you know,
get this book out this year and
another book out the next year.
That's false pressure, you're not
being a friend of writers if you try
and. . .
Thomas: That's as bad as the
academic publishing routine.
Berg: Yes, Publish And Perish is
the new credo.
Thomas: No writers want that
kind of tenure, (laughter)
Diotte: Let's talk a bit about
healthy countries. What Canadian
literature — I mean the French-
English thing of course is what I
have in mind. The fact that
Canadian literature is in itself a
kind of separatist thing divided
between English and French. What
can the. Writer's Union do about
this, what has it been able to do,
can it do anything or is it fair to ask
it to do anything?
Gibson: Well, there's a couple
ways of approaching it. I mean it's
true in that when the question
came up yesterday on the floor it
says to me in some way that as
writers we accept on some level
the separatist inclinations of
Quebec writers. Maybe only accept
it insofar as we accept it and
recognize that the point is to deal
with Quebec writers on any level.
At this point one has to realize that
is where they are. They will come
to a Writer's Day but they won't
come to a Canada Day. And it's as
simple as that. What we are interested in doing as writers and
what the (Writer's) Union has
already tried to open up informal. . .
Kroetsch: . . Talks.
Gibson: We've got a group in
Montreal and we'd like to get
together with Quebec writers and
we've done that once already informally and it was terrific! You
know, because in a sense we do it
almost as if it (P.Q.) was a
separate country, you know, who
shared problems. And we'd really
like to know the Cuban writers or
whatever. Now that isn't to say
again that, in the Union we have an
incredible range. I'm sure there
are some people who are appalled
by Separatism and other people
are sympathetic to Separatism. We
have that full personal range. But
as a union and organization of
writers it seems thunderously
obvious that we can't invite them
to join us. We can't insist that they
are Canadian writers if they don't
feel like it. What we are looking for
is some kind of interaction and
cooperation. Because there are
clear areas where we would
benefit. We would benefit by more
translation of stuff into . . . well I
as a writer would prefer to be
published in French in Quebec than
be published in the United States.
I'd like to be published in both
Hancock: Another example
we've got down is Bob's (Kroet-
sch's) mention of the Spanish
Americans. In the next issue of the
magazine (Canadian Fiction
Magazine) I've got a story by
Joyce Marshall who's just unbelievably good. She's experimenting with points of view,
changing points of view, and
subjective consciousness and what
not. I also mentioned that you
should read some of Julio Cor-
tazar's stories which she'll never
heard of. Being a writer, in fact,
it's nice to try and be patriotic and
it's another thing to be
nationalistic. I think that the
patriotic stance is a really good one
to take but at the same time that
the best Canadian writing should
be judged by the same standards
as the best writing anywhere.
Gibson: So should our worst.
When we argue about quotas for
mass paperback book rights it's
simply that we want to be there so
that we can compete.
Hancock: Yeah, I was going to
mention that because in the brief
readings that were in the program
yesterday (Saturday), you know
there was quite a mixed bag in
terms of quality, however we're
going to define quality. You know
there are some that are clearly not
the best works, take for example
from Canadians, Hugh Garner's
Death In Don Mills. Interesting
book, he's made his point that
death in Don Mills (Ontario) is the
same as life in Don Mills,
(laughter) I set off on the joke
(laughter). But in terms of the
story, you know, you can take dny
crime show and it's following the
same sort of thing.
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'Walking Tall9 falls flat
Walking Tall: Part Two is either
an incredibly pretentious picture
or it is a brilliant tongue-in-cheek
satire of itself. During the very
opening credits of the film the
director parallels the story of the
actual club-carrying Tennessee
sheriff named Buford Pusser to
that of the Paul Bunyan legend.
Director Bellamy alludes that the
mythical "giant lumberjack" of
the American Midwest barely
dwarfs this filmed interpretation of
the six feet six sheriff.
Sheriff Pusser, a big man who
carries a club or baseball bat and
shuns guns, is played by actor Bo
Svenson. Svenson chuckles,
gewgaws and "aw shucks" his way
through the entire movie. Undoubtedly picked for the part
because of his size Svenson stands
at least a foot taller than any of the
other actors, looking more like the
"Friendly Giant" than the larger-
than-life Sheriff Pusser.
Walking Tall: Part Two
Directed by Saul Bellamy
Produced by C. C. Pratt
Starring Bo Svenson
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This movie fiasco isn't actually
Svenson's fault entirely as the
script writing is sadly inadequate.
The writers would have us believe,
for example, that names like Pinky
Dodson and Stud Pardee are extremely commonplace in the south.
Well, commonplace maybe, but
personally, a villain with a name
like Pinky Dodson doesn't sound
very menacing; cute but not
Certainly there is little emotional
intensity in the actors' dialogues.
One of the most moving scenes
takes place early in the picture
when Sheriff Buford Pusser,
bedridden and bandaged —
recovering from the wounds he
received in Walking Tall: Part
One, is asked a poignant question
by his daughter.
"Daddy,, when they take the
bandages off your face, will you
look funny?"
In yet another heartrending
scene, several domino-playing old
men with tears streaming down
their cheeks, greet the newly
recovered Pusser on his first day
back at work as county sheriff.
"Just in case, you lost your club
last time Buford, we all chipped in
for a new one," they chortle.
"He's got that old club" and once
again, all crime in the South takes
a beating.
In one of the funniest scenes of
the mbvie, Steamer Riley, a
drunken black and a giant in his
own right, is having a wild time at
the local bar throwing chairs
through windows, tables at
customers and causing a general
ruckus, Steamer cries gleefully,
"man I is so wrecked . . . ain't
nobody gonna do nothing to me . . .
I feel so good!" And as if to prove it
he throws another chair through
the window.
The sheriff, after reminding
Steamer that he will have enough
damage to pay for, also reminds
him that if he doesn't go quietly his
head will be separated from his
body by Pusser's club. After a few
well-placed shots and whacks,
Steamer Riley is sufficiently
subdued to be taken to the jail,
which in the case of most of
Pusser's enemies is the hospital.
Thus the movie drags on. Pusser
and his deputies clad in combat
fatigues go sneak up on yet another
still. Continuously a crime czar
named Mr. Whitter keeps hiring
people to do a job on the elusive
Buford Pusser.
The failures of the movie are
basically due to the fact that the
writers have simply failed to round
out their characters and complete
them. As a consequence they are
not believable.. We are given no
important insight or revelations
into the sheriff's character or any
other major characters. We are
merely shown his police dealings
with whiskey runners, in a consecutive fashion.
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characterization in this picture
that it does not assume the
dimensions of a believable
tragedy. This, coupled with the
hackneyed dialogue, kept the
audience falling into the aisles with
laughter throughout the film.
Apparently no one could take the
film seriously.
It is unfortunate that the film
was made this way, because under
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The poet's worthy words
Death and a woman's scheming
hypocrisy are the only things a
sensible man will bank on.
Irving Layton's latest anthology
will inflame and delight cynics
everywhere, as it serves up some
timely reminders of his astute
poetic perceptions.
Layton can reasonably claim to
be the grand old man of Canadian
poetry, with an impressive list of 28
volumes of poetry to his credit.
This new anthology is intended
as a follow-up to the 1969 Selected
Poems, and selects from Layton's
five subsequent volumes, The
Whole Bloody Bird, Nail Polish,
Lovers and Lesser Men, the Pole-
Vaulter, and Seventy-Five Greek
The Unwavering Eye.
Irving Layton,
Selected Poems 1969-1975.
McClelland   and    Stewart.    $4.95
This book fulfills the program
announced in the introductory
poem, 'The Skull.:
Out of my wrecked marriages
disappointments with friends
the rime time deposits
on heart, imagination
And earth's magnetic pull
downwards to the grave
I want to write poems
as clean and dry
and as impertinent
as this white skull.
Layton's recent poetry continues
to deal in his favorite topics, love
and lust, tempered by an increasing concern with the prospect
of death.
I like the direction Layton's
poetry has taken in these recent
volumes, and this slim 155-page
anthology is a very attractive piece
of merchandise, good value for the
price of an LP, and just the thing to
carry around with you to read on
buses or in coffee bars.
In his forward, Eli Mandel
quotes Layton's claim that "the
poetic rhetoric of our times has not
attempted to assimilate the experience of Auschwitz, Belsen and
Gulag. This is true for the poets
living in English-speaking countries, not true for poets in Poland,
Czechoslovakia  and  Germany.   I
am, I think, the only poet in any
English-speaking country to have
pointed this out  (a) continuing gentility (has) afflicted this
country for the better part of a
I find this an astonishing
assertion, since as long ago as 1962,
in a best-selling Penguin paperback anthology, The New Poetry,
poet/editor A. Alvarez attacked
what he called ".the gentility
principle" operating in twentieth-
century British poetry.
"The concept of gentility still
reigns supreme," protested
Alvarez. "And gentility is a belief
that people are always more or less
polite, their emotions and habits
more or less decent and more or
less controllable. In the last half-
century we are gradually being
made to realize that all our lives,
even those of the most genteel and
enislanded, are influenced
profoundly by forces which have
nothing to do with gentility,
decency or politeness. These are
the forces of disintegration which
destroy the' old standards of
civilization. Their public faces are
those of two world wars, of the
concentration camps, of genocide,
and the threat of nuclear war."
And Alvarez went on to include
poems by John Berryman, Robert
Lowell, Anne Sexton, Sylvia Plath
and Ted Hughes, all (maybe with
the exception of Sexton) greater
poets than Layton, and whose
writing exemplifies just such a
response to the darker, more
savage edges of twentieth-century
Though Layton is a romantic,
forever concerned with the impact
of events on his own racy sensibility, he does not allow the
horrors of modern history to
overwhelm him, as to some extent
they did Sylvia Plath.
Two of the finest of Layton's
public poems, 'The Final Solution'
and "The Ventriloquist' are informed by a perception of the
monstrous shadows in contemporary German life, but his
response is distant, purged of
shock, numbly recognizing that
reality is too banal, "too ordinary
for ghosts or grief."
"After Auschwitz" is more biting
in   its   cognition  of   how   swiftly
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Hancock: Also Perrault, a fine
thriller writer. But you can't put
Perrault and Harlow, you know
Scann, together in the same room '
because they're the two opposite
ends of fiction — and that's what's
still great about fiction. Fiction has
got these incredible extremes.
Berg: Which is its vitality.
Hancock: Yeah. But just
because it's "Canadian" — and
Sylvia (Fraser) was perfectly
right in stating the fact that our
"popular fiction" . . .
Gibson:. . .should be more of it.
Hancock: Sure and there should
be more.
Gibson: Sure, I mean one of the
big problems one tends to get
locked into by the market conditions we have: is that we are
almost forced into a kind of elitist
role for the novel. Because we
can't get to where most people are
; there aren't enough people here
writing the equivalent to The
Happy Hooker — or whatever it is
— The Happy Canadian.
Fraser: The Happy Hairdresser,
didn't we have one?
Berg: Shampoo?
Fraser:  Oh, we had our own
hairdresser, our own perverted
Gibson: That's right, from
London, Ontario. The thing is that
we're being forced into this and as
someone has said the extraordinary thing about Canadian
literature is that almost all the
writers are serious. You know the
extraordinary thing about writing
in Canada at the moment is the
vast — I mean the high profile
influential writers are all serious
craftsmen. Or craft-creatures.
Fraser: You know I keep being
bothered by this word standards.
We keep throwing it out as if there
is something called standards that
is very measurable. That it's like a
yardstick and you put it against
this novel and you say well
Characterization: 50, Plot: 75. You
know, that kind of thing. There
isn't such a thing as a homogenous
standard that anybody recognizes.
There are two ways of looking at a
book. One is your kind of emotional
reaction whether it's a real fact or
just kind of an enjoyment quotient
— whether you were glad you read
it in terms of an investment of time
and everything else.
atrocity evaporates in the public
Repentance, my son,
is short-lived;
an automatic rifle, however,
a lifetime.
This ties in with the sardonic
wisdom contained in "Recipe for a
Short and Happy Life."
Give all your nights
to the study of the Talmud.
By day practice
shooting from the hip.
Poets often seem to need to exist
in a field of contradictions in order
to keep their psychic options open
and prevent petrifaction setting in,
and in Layton's case the poems are
born under the pen of a man who
claims to be a Marxist, yet who
supported the U.S.A. in its Vietnam
venture, a humanist who is touched
by suffering yet who nevertheless
supports violence as a mode of
survival, and a sensitive love
lyricist who denies that he is a
chauvinist but who continues to
indulge in sexist generalizations
not being handicapped in the
least by vision or
creativity, women are by far
the stronger sex
This is supposed to be witty, but
so much masculine contempt for
women is masked under just such
styles of phony good humor.
When he tries hard enough
Layton can come up with superb
poetry about women, which far
transcends his posture as neo-
Byronic stud. For example, in "To
the Woman With the Speaking
Eyes" he writes about a modern
kind of woman who is confused in
her life, yet an enigma:
It is not men you fear
but the tenderness they make
you feel for them.
Some   strange   vulnerability
seems to be at stake here, and the
woman's reaction is a simple and
stunning rejection:
Unsure of the planets that rule,
you walk away hand-in-hand
with your pride
leaving behind your modern
for philosophers to unravel.
And, Layton might have added,
The Unwavering Eye has a
strong international flavor to it,
and features Layton's globetrotting responses to landscapes
and cultures as various as
Australia, Greece and the Far
East, with the hot hedonistic world
of the southern hemisphere winning out every time over the drear
industrial nations of the west. The
contrast is beautifully caught in
'Nepalese Woman and Child' as
Layton juxtaposes the happy dope-
smoking peasant with the earnest
do-gooders from abroad:
Switzerland exports
like wrist watches and cheese
nice-smelling intelligent  women
to teach your their unhappiness.
The major contrast remains
between Layton's experiences in
Greece and those of his Canadian
homeland. Greece is projected as
an honest, fertile pagan land, full
of appeal to the goodnatured
hedonist in Layton, in sharp
contrast to Canada, where his
fellow countrymen,
chew branflakes and crabmeat
gossip make love
take out insurance against fires
and death
while our poetesses explore their
in delicate complaints regular as
If Layton has an Achilles heel it
is that he is too willing to expend
his talents on snappy occasional
verse of the kind which generates
thrills at poetry readings, but
comes to look shallow and
disposable on the printed page. The
sheer prodigality of his Collected
Poems is ultimately monotonous,
which is why this selection is in its
own way so much more satisfying.
You only need to compare
Layton's "Proteus and the
Nymph" with Yeats' "News for the
Delphic Oracle," to see the difference between an accomplished
verbal technician and a major
poet. Ultimately his own "hangup
with language and beauty" is on a
level with Rupert Brooks', as
perhaps Layton implicitly
recognizes in his elegaic
celebration of the poet: romantic,
accomplished, yet essentially
At his finest Layton nevertheless
is capable of some brilliant
visionary lines, as in his marriage
of corrupt western experience with
Greek paganism in "Party at
Many   are   abushed   by   the
silence and many never find their
To the house where the perpetual
party is going on.
If you are on  the   lookout for
monsters or demons
You   will   not   find   their   legs
sprawled on the terraces.
They are all assembled at the
house thrashing one another
With extracts from diaries whose
pages    fly     open     releasing
beetles. . .
"If you wish to know more about
love listen to.the crickets on the
And emulate the shining of the
stars but do not become one."
I hardly ever buy poetry, and I
rarely trust poetry-reviewers (who
in a goldfish-bowl culture like
Canada's are usually sucked into
the obligation to be polite) but this
anthology is one that your
bookshelf is hungry to have.
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Thomas Cone's Whisper to
Mendlesohn, scheduled to close at
the Arts Club Theater September
27, is as interesting and
provocative a piece of theater as
one is likely to find in Vancouver.
Given that it is a new play, jointly
produced by the New Play Center
and the Westcoast Actor's Society,
with its premiere at the Arts Club
Theater, one would have to go far
to beat it for unexpected and
spontaneous   theater   enjoyment.
Through the first two acts, the
play maintains a challenging pace
utilizing suspense and dramatic
inventions to keep the audience
guessing. The basic situation is a
group of people gathering in a
subway station to celebrate the
first anniversary since they first
came together. The characters
include a news stand vender, the
Mendlesohn of the title, a hack poet
and his physicist wife, a southern
gentleman, a prim and
imaginatively stilted girl, a gypsy
woman, a shy research assistant
and the station's attendant.
Whisper To Mendlesohn
Written by Thomas Cone
Directed by Jace van der Veen
Designed by Jeffrey Dallas
at the Arts Club Theater
The. drama toys with this
situation, revealing its details
slowly until the end of the second
act lets the story out completely.
Cone's ability to play with the
motley collection of characters his
situation has given him is manifest
throughout the course of this
gradual unfolding of the story. It is
done with a humor that is underscored by the nagging question
whatisgoingon here? It is entirely
effective to that end.
The use of invention to heighten
the drama is excellent. At one point
the girl, Delores Lenille, mimes
the voice of operatic great Joan
Sutherland which is being played
on a small tape recorder. Later the
lights on the stage area are turned
off, the entire theater going black,
as Mr. Mendlesohn tries to take a
group portrait of the other
characters. The ensuing strobe like
effect of the camera's flash is
something one has to see to believe
the incredible bewilderment the
technique works in the drama.
In fact, Cone's theme deals with
invention. The kind of imaginative
inventions that constitute a
culture's attempts to live with the
reality of reflecting tiles and stark
subway stations. The essential
loneliness of the characters is
portrayed in the random details
that evolve from the drama about
each, in their deportment on stage,
and in the embarrassed silences
that occur occasionally, the
characters catching themselves
looking awkwardly over their
As it turns out, the anniversary is
a celebration of a phenomenal
moment when the auspices of
either chance or fate directed their
meeting. Each of the characters,
for their diverse reasons, were
outside the subway station when
they witnessed the appearance of
colored particles, specks that
possessed a life manner of their
own, one superior to terrestrial
beings. The use of the science
fiction genre and its conventions is
good, allowing Cone to amplify the
dimension of imaginative interplay
a person can carry on with the
mundane spaces around he or she,
while, at the same time, he sets up
a vehicle to comment on the
pseudo-scientific bias the
technological rationality has
manufactured for itself in an effort
to get control of the human animal.
In the play, the extra-terrestrial
beings come across with a basic
ambiguity that oscillates between
satire and apocalypse. The symbiotic relationship of all life,
terrestrial and extra-terrestrial, in
the evolutionary development
from historical stage to stage is the
message delivered by the other
world specks. They have come
ostensibly to shape the planet up so
that the universe can advance to
the next stage of its development.
If any one world is not in step then
it retards the whole process.
Similarly if one world destroys
itself then the whole works goes up
as a direct result.
The   play   ends   with   all   the
characters, except the lady
physicist, staring up. into the
audience preparing to greet the
return of the beings from another
planet. The physicist is screaming
from a balcony that she refuses to
go along with the others, rejecting
what she sees as the absurdity of
their delusions. It is done with
sufficient seriousness to catch the
audience between the poles of its
ambiguity. On the one hand, the
characters are crazy, the lady
physicist the only rational voice
among them while, on the other,
there is truly something
remarkable about to take place.
The audience is then abandoned to
its own sentiments at this point.
What emerges ultimately is the
tension in the technological
rationality itself. Its imaginative
content is tinged with an emotional
drive to self-transcendence, to
partake of some reality greater
than the individual. But opposing
this side is the voice of science, the
language of reason and objective
perception. An impartial, analytic
persona, this side wants
desperately to be rid of the other
half even to the point of running
away from it.
The irony in the title, then,
Whisper to Mendlesohn, lay in the
focus of the dialogue between these
two sides of the rational psyche. In
the play, the shy research assistant
whispers to Mr. Mendlesohn very
early something the audience
never   hears.   Of   course,   the
Mendlesohn of biological history is
the one associated with genetics
and laws of genetic probabilities.
Thus, what Cone is saying is that
someone better tells these people
that something is very confused
here and I think it's right here in
the old brain. The strength of
Cone's insight is that he does not
try to push aesthetic conclusions on
us. What he projects is a rational
Though it falters in the third act
when the psychological consistency of the characters is
broken and dramatic inventiveness is reduced to a rather
hackneyed use of conventional
mythology, the play was an interesting bit of theater. Cone's
originality was present almost
everywhere. In fact, at times the
material got the better of the cast.
It was unfortunate to see Cone
run out of ideas and resort to
Groucho Marx one liners in the
context of a gratuitous mythic play
within the play that had so little to
do with the central thrust of the
I understand Cone is starting to
pay the bills handsomely with the
fruits of his writing. This says
more for the state of drama today
than anything else to my mind.
When cities like Vancouver can
foster a talent like this and export
it east of the rockies, there is a
very healthy theater breathing.
Adult entertainment only
Hearts and Minds is a bit like-
being subjected to a composite of
the six o'clock news over the last 10
years. It's well'organized, but it
drags. Since there is no actual
narrator what is presented is a
cleverly edited series of old
newsreel footage. Its material
taken by Davis m the U.S., France
and Vietnam from old Hollywood
movie clips, and numerous interviews with peasants and policymakers, American civilians and
There is a certain amount of
culture shock, since the show is an
exhaustive presentation of almost
every conceivable opinion and
attitude that has been voiced about
the war. It would have great value
as a thorough on-going treatment
of the whole gamut of events. But
the film fails to be an objective
study of agonized human involvement in the making of this
part of history. It is, finally,\only
an anti-American propaganda
Davis attempts to persuade the
audience that one can correlate the
nature and significance of the
American revolution to the
struggle of the Viet Cong against
the Americans. Interspersed
throughout the film are clips of
American people celebrating the
advent of their bicentennial. The
implication is that the V.C. are
fighting American imperialism in
order to establish a sovereign state
just as the Americans did against
the British.
Davis seems to have forgotten
the major priority of the American
revolution was to draw up a
Declaration of Independence and a
Constitution, so that the people
would be governed by law and not
by force.
I guess it is still possible that the,
ah, "founding fathers" of the new
South are about the hard work of
preparing such a document for
their people. But somehow I have
my doubts.
As a film that is simply an antiwar statement, Davis does a much
better job. Particularly humorous
are the Did World War Two
Hollywood propaganda clips. They
do not have much to do with
Vietnam, but they are corny
enough to insult anyone's sensibilities.
What really stands out is the
gore! I never cease to marvel at
how war masks cruelty. Davis does
a brilliant job of revealing how
people can get so damn involved in
winning that they no longer
identify with what they are doing to
their fellow human beings.
Present at the first-night
showing was an official representative of the Provisional
Revolutionary Government of
South Vietnam. He had expressed
thanks, to Peter Davis for an
"inspiring film." I asked him what
he would most like to convey to the
Canadian people, to which he
replied, "anything in the cause of
humanity." .The official purpose
for his visit is to solicit funds to
help rebuild the war-torn nation.
At least an era of detente is
beginning already; it must be
better for everyone.
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Appearing at Oil Can's last week
was Jack DeJohnette with his
group Directions. The lineup
consisted of Alex Foster on tenor
and alto saxes, Jonn Abercrombie
on guitar, Mike Richmond on bass
and DeJohnette on drums, alto sax
and piano.
For those of you who are not too
familiar with the world of jazz,
then DeJohnette's story is' as
Born in Chicago around 1945, he
started his musical apprenticeship
by taking piano lessons for a
number of years. When his interest
in jazz started he shifted over to'
trombone and drums, being entirely self-taught on both of these
instruments. Since then he has
gained his stature as one of the
heaviest drummers around,
playing with Charles Lloyd in the
early days and Miles Davis in more
recent years. He has come to be
regarded as one of these heavy-
handed drummers in the vein of
Billy Cobham and Alphonze
Mouzon who literally beat the hell
out of their drum sets.
So far DeJohnette has put out
five albums under his own name,
the latest one on the Prestige label
entitled "Cosmic Chicken."
The band started off with a
-number by Shirley Scott called Big
George. Immediately evident were
the band's well known characteristics of great inconsistent,
surging, propelling rhythms with
the sax screaming on top and the
Bongo Bongo (SUN) — The
recently televised interview with
Bongolese novelist and cult figure
Pinkbury Allimen set precedents
in the nation for first rate inar-
ticulated spaces and nuances of
immediate phlegm over televised
frequency at an altitude of 12,000
sq. ft. The network, encouraged by
the reception of the premiere
performance, is reportedly seeking
a series of Allimen meditations,
witticisms and wisdoms from the
nations number one specimen of
serious culture and foreign
relations. Further details will be
forthcoming from the Bongolese
Television       Network.
Immediately following the
telecast it was reported by reliable
though unavailable sources that
Allimen left the studio for her
controversial island on the end of
the autographed world. One source
reports the flighty Bongolese
nationalist as saying that unless
the bombing is stopped she will be
returning her much vaunted medal
for inherit un-spokenness which
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guitar filling in the empty spaces
on its own rhythmic sidetrip.
The second gig started with
Richmond playing a solo on the
bass using a bow, that in some
ways was menacing and at other
times exhilaratingly funny. After
this the rest of the group joined
with Foster whispering or murmuring into his sax. Then suddenly
Foster rose up to the most incredible scream, getting the
highest tones out of an alto sax that
I have ever heard. "From a
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Among the greatest surprises
during the remainder of the
group's set was an astonishing
piano solo by DeJohnette followed
by another raw energy number by
the group, thus ending the night's
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Friday, September 26, 1975 Friday, September 26, 1975
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Home win streak on line
'Birds host undefeated Dinos
The Thunderbird football team
has another streak on the line this
Saturday when they take on the
University ,of Calgary.Dinosaurs.
The 'Birds have yet to lose at home
this season.
.In their previous two home
games the 'Birds have come away
with a 38-7 win over the University
of Manitoba Bisons and a 42-0
victory over the Royal Military
College Redmen.
Last Saturday they suffered
their first loss of the season when
critical mistakes at crucial times
resulted in a 43-17 win for the
University of Saskatchewan
As the game with the Redmen
was an exhibition affair, UBC is
now 1-1 in league action. Their
record puts them in third place in
the standings, half a game ahead of
the University of Alberta Golden
The Dinosaurs have a tenuous
hold on first place with wins in both
their league encounters. Half a
game behind them are the Huskies,
Sonny lasses do we//
FLASH: The Thunderette field
hockey team has just returned
from Edinburgh where they played
.... Edinburgh? As in Scotland?
Robbie Burns, and Loch Ness, the
high road the low road, and all
that? What 'n earth were they
doing there?
Feel like a good Turkey Trot
today? If you do, and you are a
UBC student, go see the people in
Intramural sports.
There are other things besides
Turkey Trotting, of course. For
men there are about 24 sports in
all, including basketball,
volleyball and hockey. Women can
engage in swimming, slow-pitch,
volleyball, hockey and 14 others.
- Most of the activities go for about
six weeks: by then everyone's fed
up with them. All are free except
hockey, which costs $50 per term
for each team. If you want to play
hockey you must form a team or
join an organization that has one.
If you want to participate in any
of the mentioned sports hurry over
to the Intramural offices in War
Memorial gym, because they are
all starting in the first week of
October. Try room 202 for women's
or 308 for men's there is usually
someone in them. For other sports
you can wait a while, but not too
long or else they might be full
By the way, for all you
illiterates, Turkey Trotting is also
known as cross country running.
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"We just didn't have the competition over here to help us improve much more," said manager
Jan Aronson.
"Some of the best university
level hockey is being played in
Scotland, as we found out last year
when Edinburgh University played
against us here at UBC. So we
thought we'd repay the visit."
It was an expensive jaunt for
most of the team members. They
had hoped to receive a grant
through the federal government's
cultural exchange programs, but
were turned down. But acting
on the assumption that the grant
would be made, they went ahead
and made arrangements. When the
veto came through, they found
themselves several thousand
dollars short with time running
"We ran bingos and dances — all
the traditional money raisers, but
we couldn't make up the deficit.
We had to pay a lot of money out of
our own pockets. A few people are
short of cash for school this year as
a result."
The team landed in London,
where coach Gerry Gilmore put
them through a hard week's
workout. From there it was north
to Scotland and haggis and the big
"We   did   well,   really,"
"We lost 5-1 to Glasgow
University, 5-4 to Edinburgh, tied
Trinity College and Glasgow
Selects 1-1, and beat the Scottish
Selects 4-1."
Aronson pointed out the Thunderettes were not quite up to snuff
for the games.
"Two of our players were with
the national team at an international tournament. We're
used to playing with them in the
lineup and our . play suffered
without them. Also, the week of
training in London tired us a little.
But the experience was invaluable.
We'll definitely be better this
Last year, the Thunderettes took
first place in a city league, and tied
for first in the Canada West
"We're one of the best teams in
Canada," Aronson said.
"We should do well again this
year, perhaps better, The
Canadian championships are being
held here at UBC, which should
help us."
The team appears to be ready for
the season. They beat North
Vancouver of the city league 2-0
shortly after their return. A bonny
year promisin', indeed, lads.
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who have lost one of their three
games. That loss was a 21-17 defeat
suffered at the hands of the
All this means the 'Birds are
going to have their hands full come
In their two meetings with the
Dinos last year, UBC was beaten
twice. The first loss was a
respectable 19-14, the second a 61-0
shellacking in Calgary.
This year, of course, the 'Birds
have a different team and a different outlook. Dan Smith and
Greg Gardener have both
demonstrated that they can play
quarterback in the Western Intercollegiate Football league. It
makes the first time in years that
UBC has had any depth in this
Moreover with Gary Metz and
Digby Leigh the 'Birds have two
people who can catch the ball — a
necessary component of a passing
attack that has, to say the least,
been rare at times.
The 'Birds also can balance their
potentially potent passing attack
with a dangerous ground game.
Gord Penn has shown he is one of
the top runners in the league this
year, averaging over 100 yards per
game thus far. Bernie Crump is
also gaining experience as a
running back and is fast becoming
more than a potential threat,
having scored a touchdown in each
of the 'Birds' last two games.
The Dinos seem to have been
relishing their role as a somewhat
unknown entity in the league. But
after winning their opening two
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anyone's mind that they are a
serious contender for the championship.
Quarterback Don Siler has
combined with receivers Larry
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the best aerial attack in the conference.
This, combined with the running
ability of last year's all-star, Dan
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Calgary offence. Diduck is Penn's
main competition as the best
rusher in the league; the Dino has
already gained over 200 yards in
one game this season.
Both teams have demonstrated
exceptional passing attacks
complemented with outstanding
running games. It looks like a
wide open game for Saturday.
When one considers that both
defenses have been prone to lapses, the possibility of a high scoring
game that either side can win
becomes even greater.
At half time there will be a
celebration marking the 60th
anniversary of UBC.
Game time is 2:30 p.m. A large
crowd is expected again.
official sports hall of fame here has
announced a new record for
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during a cross-country race last
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