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 Student services in trouble
Alma Mater Society representatives Monday predicted severe
cutbacks in student services if an
upcoming fee referendum does not
pass.
"It's a desperate situation," said
AMS secretary-treasurer Bill
Broddy. Pit and Lethe hours would
be cut and student workers laid off
if the referendum fails, he said.
Students will be asked in twin
referenda Nov. 16, 17 and 18 to
approve an increase in AMS fees to
$15 from $9 and an increase in
athletic fees to $7 from $5.
AMS fees were last increased in
1949
AMS director of finance Herb
Dhaliwal said if the referenda fail:
• the SUB listening lounge might
be shut down;
• the AMS might shut down its
co-op bookstore in the basement of
SUB;
• the number of intramural
sports programs will be cut back;
t The Ubyssey could no longer
afford to be a member of Canadian
University Press, which supplies
the newspaper with advertising
and national news coverage
• and there would be almost no
money to subsidize student radio
station CITR.
Students will be asked to vote on
two separate ballots. One ballot
will ask students to approve a
general AMS fee increase of $6 —
$1 per student per year for in
tramural programs, $1 for CITR,
$2 for The Ubyssey, and $2 to
support AMS-run student services.
The AMS fee increase is
necessary to offset a growing
deficit incurred by the student
society during the last two years.
The second ballot will be on
athletic fees. Students will be
asked to approve $4.20 for men's
athletics and $2.80 for women's
athletics.
CITR spokesman Ralph Bedford
said Monday the radio station's $1
increase would allow the station to
upgrade its broadcasts on a
recently acquired FM cable which
allows some television owners to
pick the station up on cablevision.
Bedford said the station should
be given higher funding priority
but the station is not worried about
losing AMS subsidies. "The radio
station alumni would pretty well
fry this place if that happened," he
said.
Ubyssey co-editor Ralph Maurer
said the newspaper is operating on
a minimum budget and needs
supplies. A $2 increase for The
Ubyssey would allow lower advertising content in the paper and
allow the paper to save money for
future printing investments,
Maurer said.
Students now pay about $1.20 a
See page 2: UBC
UBC hospital
decision hit
By HEATHER WALKER
Former health minister Dennis
Cocke and Dr. William Jory,
president of the B.C. Medical
Association, Monday sharply
criticized the government's
decision to build a 240-bed hospital
at UBC.
Cocke, who termed the plan a
"disaster," said to plan for a
"community hospital at UBC is the
wrong approach. There is no
community in that area."
Cocke also said the $37 million
set aside by the government for the
hospital will not be enough to cover
the cost of the facility.   -
Cocke estimated the hospital's
cost could rise to $90 million.
"And it'll cost an arm and a leg
to operate," Cocke said.
Jory said there is no need for
another community hospital in that
area.
"That community already has
three community hospitals," Jory
said. "It doesn't need a fourth."
Jory was referring to Vancouver
General, St. Paul's and
Shaughnessy hospitals, all of which
take patients from the Point Grey
area.
"I think they're wasting a lot of
money," Jory said.
Health minister Bob McLelland
and education minister Pat
McGeer announced Thursday the
government plan to build a new
community and teaching hospital
at UBC.
Jory and Cocke both said more
money should be spent to upgrade
existing teaching facilities at the
downtown hospitals.
The government has allocated
$13 million of the total $50 million,
to be used on improving medical
teaching facilities, to the downtown hospitals.
Cocke said the money allocated
to the downtown hospitals would
not be enough to upgrade their
teaching facilities.
Jory said the downtown hospitals
would require at least another $19
million for on-going facilities.
Jory said the BCMA believes "a
good deal of medical teaching
should be done in downtown
hositals."
"It is mandatory to teach acute
medicine at a living community,
and it is fundamental that acute
care beds be located in large
communities with a population
base sufficient to provide immediate medical case loads in
hospitals to ensure adequate
teaching of medical practise."
He said the BCMA recommended
to the government that it upgrade
basic science facilities at UBC,
upgrade teaching facilities in
downtown hospitals, and counselled against building an acute
care hospital at UBC.
Jory said hospitals should be
built "out in the suburbs where
people live."
the current trend
the world was for
be built in suburban
He   said
throughout
hospitals to
areas.
See page 2: NO
—matt kins photo
PLAQUE OF FALLEN LEAVES hits UBC this month. Leaves want to
take over SUB management from AMS hacks, but will be reduced
to sodden mass even before councillors are if rainy season
continues.
U council
shuffled
by McGeer
Three new appointments to the
B.C. Universities Council were
announced Saturday by education
minister Pat McGeer.
Vancouver resident Jean Hyatt,
Province publisher Paddy Sherman and Kelowna resident Dudley
Pritchard were appointed to three-
year terms on the council.
They replace Rita MacDonald,
Alex Hart and Betty McClurg,
whose terms have expired.
The council, established in 1974
under the Universities Act, acts as
an intermediary body between
B.C.'s three public universities and
the provincial education department. Its main function is to
allocate money to the universities
from the government.
In an interview Monday, Sherman declined comment on his
general philosophy of education.
"I'm not getting on it (the
council) because I have dramatic
views. I have no preconceived
ideas of urging dramatic change or
fighting to preserve the status
quo," said Sherman.
"I'm going to wait until I get in
and am exposed to the hard information before I say anything."
Hyatt, who has held posts in
several volunteer organizations,
said her social services viewpoint
will benefit the council.
"The Universities Council should
have representatives from all
aspects of society. The volunteer
side of services is a vital one," she
said. Hyatt has served one-year
terms as president of the
Children's Aid Society and
president of the Vancouver
Museum and Planetarium Society.
She said universities should "be
able to offer a broad range of
education that will allow students a
wide choice so that they aren't
constrained to one area."
Pritchard was unavailable for
comment Monday.
Base poses cancer threat
The director of the Cancer
Control Agency of B.C. Saturday
called for a halt to construction of
the Trident nuclear submarine
base in Bangor, Wash, because
accidents there could cause cancer
to spread.
Dr. Thomas Hall told a Vancouver Institute lecture at UBC a
nuclear radiation leak from the
multi-billion dollar weapons
project could cause an increase in
the incidence of cancer in the
Vancouver-Victoria area.
Hall also opposed the use of
nuclear power as an energy
source.
He said that after the United
States dropped nuclear bombs on
Japan in 1945 the incidence of
leukemia in Hiroshima and
Nagasaki was 10 times as high as
before the blasts.
Critics of nuclear power have
said leaks from nuclear power
plants could cause widespread
harm in the areas around the
plants.
Hall said colon cancer — affecting the lower part of the large
intestine — is one of the most
serious types of cancer affecting
people in developed countries.
Cancer of the colon kills more
people each year in B.C. than all
automobile accidents, he said. In
1975,717 people were killed on B.C.
roads and highways, and 800
people died of colon cancer.
Hall said Canada has one of the
highest levels of colon cancer in the
SFU strike settled
Canadian University Press
The big cleanup is on at Simon Fraser University following the settlement Saturday of the longest strike ever at any B.C. university.
Both sides in the seven and one half week dispute have ratified the
proposal worked out by mediator Jim Kinnaird. The contract calls for an
11 per cent wage increase and a 36-1/4 hour work week.
The 71 striking maintenance workers voted approval of the settlement
Friday and the SFU board of governors gave its blessing Saturday.
But, like all Canadian wage settlements for the past year, the contract
is meaningless until it has received approval from the federal Anti-
Inflation Board.
Although SFU remained open during the strike, it was not without
discomfort for the students, faculty and administrators who all crossed
picket lines.
Toilets were plugged, garbage heaped in piles, and bus commuters had
to walk a mile to campus because bus drivers refused to cross picket lines
set up at the foot of Burnaby mountain, atop which SFU is situated.
The SFU administration even went so far as to hire plainclothes
security officers to patrol the campus looking for people plugging toilets
or performing other acts of vandalism.
world, mainly because of what
Canadians eat.
The typical Canadian diet is
extremely high in animal fat, he
said. Beef, pork, milk and milk
products such as cheese and butter
account for the large amount of
animal fat in our diet, Hall said.
Hall also attacked other leading
causes of cancer.
"Cigarettes should be taxed out
of existence," he said. "A one per
cent tax per package of cigarettes
would yield $4.3 million per annum
for cancer research in this
province."
Excessive use of tranquilizers,
antibiotics and other drugs can
also lead to cancer, Hall said.
A diet consisting mainly of
vegetables, grains, fish and fowl
will reduce the possibility of getting cancer. Eggs and fatty red
meats such as beef and pork should
be avoided, he said.
About 2,400 cancer deaths a year
are expected in B.C. for the next
few years, Hall said. He said about
60 per cent of these could be
prevented if individuals and
governments take the correct
steps. Page  2
THE        UBYSSEY
Tuesday, October 26,  1976
'No co-operation on hospital'
From page 1
"I don't want to sound anti-
university, but I don't think there
has been co-operation between
academic medicine and practical
medicine," he said.
Jory said the ideal plan would
have been to relocate the UBC
medical school at the site of
Shaughnessy hospital, where the
school could have full access to
existing facilities.
The BCMA accepted the
government's plan because it was
obvious it had made its decision
and weren't going to change it,
Jory said.
"We decided to do whatever was
possible to make their decision a
success rather than trying to
sabotage it," he said.
Cocke said the NDP plan for a
B.C. Medical Centre would have
been a better solution to improving
medical teaching facilities in B.C.
He said according to the plan the
NDP government intended to
expand teaching facilities in the
major downtown hospitals.
And it also wanted to build a new
children's and maternity hospital
at Shaughnessy hospital, as well as
basing cancer treatments  there.
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From page 1
year to The Ubyssey, one of the
lowest rates in Canada, he said.
Simon Fraser University students
pay $5.50 in fees to that university's
student newspaper, The Peak.
Intramurals program  assistant
Renee Ardill said some of the least.
popular sports would have to be cut
if the referendum fails.
The $1 increase for intramurals
would be used to offset rising costs,
she said.
The$2 increase for AMS services
will prevent further debts for about
five years, Broddy said. Non-profit
programs such as the AMS
speakers committee, the listening
lounge, the games room in SUB
basement and the special events
program would be hit hardest if the
referendum fails, Broddy said.
"If we don't get the increase
we'll go for it next year, but the
increase could be raised about
$1.50," he said.
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THE        UBYSSEY
Page 3
Drinkers to protest Pit drought
By STEVE HOWARD
The "drink-in" to protest the
dry-up of the Pit will go ahead as
scheduled at 7 p.m. Wednesday
outside the Pit.
The protest group will be
drinking there and then will march
upstairs to the Alma Mater Society
council chambers to present a
petition to a meeting of the student
representative assembly,
demanding the Pit be reopened.
The petition has already
gathered the 500 signatures and
student numbers necessary to
force a referendum on the issue,
according to protest organizers.
But SRA president Dave
Theessen said Monday there is
nothing in the wording of the
petition that calls for a referendum
on whether the Pit should be
reopened. It is simply titled the
Open the Pit petition.
Theessen, who spearheaded the
Pit closure last Wednesday but
then signed the petition to reopen
the Pit, said he was acting in good
faith when he signed it.
"Everyone    wants    the    Pit
reopened," he said.
But Theessen said it would be
optimistic to say the Pit would be
reopened as early as Nov. 1. He
added there will be a progress
report regarding the dry-up to
council each time it meets during
the closure, which is slated to last
until Nov. 22.
During the dry-up, Theessen said
the SRA is searching for ways of
controlling excessive drunkenness,
rowdyism and vandalism on
campus.
Theessen said the closure of the
Pit has made students aware of the
problem of rowdiness on campus.
"There hasn't been much
pressure for a reopening,"
Theessen said. He said most
students understand the situation.
"The only pressure is to get it
solved quickly," he said.
John Lowe, science 2; an
organizer    of    this    Wednesday's
drink-in, said Monday the response
to his campaign has been good. He
said he can count on about 40
students to show up at the protest
and he hopes for as many as 200.
'The idea is not to get loaded,"
Lowe said. "The idea is to show
that we're going to drink anyway.
"'There doesn't seem to be any
communication between council
and students. They're acting as
guardians of morals.
"I don't think it (vandalism) is a
major   problem.    I   don't   think
closing the Pit will affect it.
"Frat    houses    have    beer
machines and they don't seem to
be having any problems."
Theessen said he doubts the
liquor administration branch will
be impressed with the drink-in.
Lowe said there were more than
500 signatures on the petition on
Monday.
'Socialist Cuba
no paradise-yet'
By CHRIS GAINOR
Socialism is allowing Cuba to
become "an example of people
taking over their own lives for the
first time," U.S. poet and journalist Robert Cohen said Monday.
Cohen, who lived in Cuba for six
years working for Radio Havana,
said in an interview that "the
Cubans are now running their own
country. They own their own
resources. The Cuban people^
themselves are engaged in solving*
the problems they have.
"They are building a socialist
system which allows you to plan in
a rational and scientific way. I
want to emphasize that the aid
Cuba gets from the socialist
countries is real aid, and is not
stifling in any way," said Cohen.
Until the protests in the U.S.
against the war in Vietnam and for
civil rights, Cohen said he was not
politically motivated in any way.
But after a time of writing in
Mexico, he moved to Cuba in 1969
with his family and remained there
until July.
"I felt those were the most
useful, productive and transforming years of my life," he said.
One out of every three Cubans is
currently going to school, in part
because education is widely
available to working adults, he
said.
Cubans began Oct. 10 to elect
assemblies at all levels of
government in the "people's power
system," he said. The delegates in
each assembly will be the final
authority at that level, Cohen said,
and voting will go on until Dec. 6.
'This is not only power from the
top down but from the bottom up."
The system has already been
tried successfully in one province,
said Cohen.
During the six years he spent in
Cuba, Cohen said, the economy has
grown at an annual rate of 10 per
cent, and prices have not risen
during that period.
"This progress took place at a
time of economic crisis for the
capitalist world." Cohen added
there is no unemployment in Cuba.
The U.S. trade blockade has failed,
he said, because 50 per cent of
Cuba's trade is with capitalist
countries, including Canada, which
is Cuba's second most important
trade partner.
People work together on community clean-up projects, day care
and educational activities, he said.
"In the schools, I saw my kids
understanding that knowledge is
power. The material and spiritual
benefits of the revolution have
been great.
"But Cuba isn't a paradise.
There are shortages. There still is
a blockade. A new human being
can't be created overnight. But
there is now a way to struggle to
solvethese problems," Cohen said.
"Cuban women are struggling
against the obstacles to equality.
They are leading the struggle
against machismo."
Cohen said men are also
liberating themselves, and the
Family Code calls for shared
duties at home. "There's more
concern shown by men about
sharing the duties of housework.
"I return to the United States
with a real optimism about where
history is going," he said. Cuba
cannot be used as a model but as an
example to other countries wanting to establish socialism.
'I've discovered that Canada is
not a province of the U.S. as I'd
been taught," he said, "because
there is a strong labor movement
here.''
Cohen is in Vancouver for
several speaking engagements,
including several at UBC.
—matt king photo
MOTHER WITH CHILD gazes westward toward setting sun, knowing brilliant sunshine and balmy
weather must soon disappear to be replaced by disgusting, wet, horrible winter drizzle. Meanwhile
innocent child looks earthward at invisible student who gave it flower, an afterthought of summer.
Vendors return to SUB next month
Vendors will not be allowed to
return to SUB to sell their wares
until at least the end of November,
said Brent Tynan, student administrative commission director
of services, on Monday.
Tynan said the vendors can't be
permitted back into SUB until then
because of the terms of a lease
arrangement the Alma Mater
Society has with Thunderbird
Enterprises, the company that
runs the Thunderbird Shop in
SUB's basement.
Under the arrangement, the
AMS must notify Thunderbird
Enterprises of its intention before
the society rents out SUB space to
any other commercial enterprise.
And the arrangement gives
Thunderbird the option to rent the
available space itself, to provide
whatever services the AMS intended to make use of the space.
Tynan said it is very unlikely
that Thunderbird would exercise
its option.
And he said vendors won't be
allowed back in the building until a
permanent policy regarding their
operation has been worked out.
Tynan said the AMS will construct six semi-portable booths to
be used instead of tables for
vendors to sell their wares.
Vendors will be charged a $2 or
$3 rental fee for use of the booths
and the privilege of selling in SUB,
said Tynan.
He said the SAC will try to ensure
Quebec strike grows bitter
MONTREAL (CUP) — The striking teachers' union
at the University of Quebec at Montreal has decided
to launch legal action against the university administration for refusing to negotiate.
And student council president Michael Maheu
revealed Monday that the administration has been
sending letters to university employees' homes
threatening to cut their salaries if they do not return
to work immediately.
University employees voted to retaliate to the
alleged administration threats by continuing to give
full support to the teachers' strikeuntil next Tuesday.
Maheu reaffirmed unconditional student support
for the teachers' walkout, which began Oct. 18, and
said the society would continue its support until the
strike is settled.
A committee of students, professors and staff
employees has scheduled a demonstration to be held
today to pressure the university administration into
speeding up talks.
The strike follows six months of unsuccessful
negotiations.
Robert Anderson, spokesman for the university's
Syndicat des Professeurs, has blamed the strike on
administration proposals to change decision-making.
the booths are not monopolized by
a single group or individual, and
each vendor will only be able to use
a booth two or three days a week.
Tynan said only individuals
selling crafts will be permitted to
use the booths. "Anybody who is
acting merely as a distributer of
manufactured goods, which are
available somewhere else will not
be permitted," he said.
Booths will also be available to
student groups on campus, including undergraduate societies
and political and religious groups.
Bill Broddy, secretary-treasurer
of the student representative
assembly, said Monday that
student representatives changed
their minds about the vendors after
a recent referendum asking
students whether they wanted
vendors back in SUB.
Although the referendum failed
because not enough students
turned out to vote, 77 per cent of
students who voted favored the
return of vendors to SUB.
Last spring, the AMS voted to
kick vendors out of SUB because, it
said, they contravened fire
regulations and took business
away from the AMS co-op
bookstore in SUB's basement. Page  4
THE
UBYSSEY
Tuesday, October 26,  1976
Dry-up will hurt fee vote
Student dissatisfaction with student
council is running high in the wake of
council's decision to ban liquor from
SUB. Students are pissed off.
And rightly so. Council's decision to-
bring back prohibition was a prime
example to the shortsightedness to
which it has fallen prey.
Council was stupid to think it could
get away with such blatant self-
righteousness.
Whether council likes it or not, its
decision to ban liquor without consulting its constituents — students —
could   destroy   any   hopes   it   has   of
getting students to vote for an Alma
Mater Society fee increase in a
referendum later this month.
So council should respond to the
wishes of students and let the booze
flow once again in SUB.
Otherwise students voting in the fee
referendum Nov. 16, 17 and 18 will ask
themselves, "Why should I vote to give
more money to those assholes who
took away my right to have a drink in
my leisure time?"
Well, it's not quite that simple. By
voti ng to pay $ 15 instead of the current
$9  to the AMS students  will   not   be
'Now that we have  your attention .  .
giving the swag to the current student
government.
Rather, they will be voting to support
a number of important student services.
Like the many services found in SUB.
The games room, the listening room
and the Pit, for example.
Not to mention intramural sports
programs, a sterling student
newspaper and a half-baked radio
station.
AMS fees are like taxes. One pays
them whether or not one agrees with
the policies of the government in
power. Otherwise essential services
like hospitals, roads and public transportation would fall apart and one
would be hurting one's self, not the
government in power.
The same goes for AMS fees. It
would be futile for students to vote
against paying higher AMS fees,
because they must rise if student-run
services are to survive.
If students want to protest the return
of prohibition they should get out and
petition and demonstrate, or join the
drink-in Wednesday.
The AMS needs a fee increase, just
like Bobby Orr needs his knees. Two
years ago the AMS had accumulated
reserves of $88,000. Last year, the
AMS had a budgetary deficit of
$45,000 and council heavies realized
an increase in the student fees was
needed to keep the growing AMS in
business.
The AMS held a fee referendum last
year, asking students to say "yes" to a
$3.50 increase in student fees.
But the referendum failed and the
AMS heavies shit their collective
drawers.
For this year, accumulated reserves
are something less than half what they
were last year. Another $45,000 deficit
would have put the AMS out on the
street, flat broke. Fortunately, the AMS
decided that this year the AMS would
switch from a June 1 to June 1 fiscal
year to an April 1 to April 1 one. Thus,
we are pn a 10-month fiscal year; that,
and some judicious cost-cutting, means
the AMS will lose only $10,000 to
$15,000 this year, AMS treasurer Herb
Dhaliwal estimates.
But even he says that without a fee
increase, the AMS will only last
another year or two. Then, what has
happened at McGill University and a
handful of other campuses will happen
at UBC: a trustee will be put in charge
of the student society; SUB will close
and reopen as a money-making
operation; The Ubyssey, CITR, SUB
Filmsoc and other organizations would
be out of business for a while.
It was
the milk,
doctor
Theres nothing that makes you feel
better than having your prejudices
confirmed; Ubyssey staffers were
therefore intrigued when Dr. Thomas
Hail, director of the Cancer Control
Agency of B.C. had something bad to
say about milk Saturday.
Mother was wrong — but don't we
know that already?
What Hall said was that cancer of
the colon is a bigger killer than
automobile accidents. Animal fats
contribute to cancer of the colon
(colonial cancer?}. Where do we get
our animal fats? Primarily from meat,
butter, cheese and  .  .  . milk.
Bartender? Another brown cow,
please.   And,  oh,   hold   the   milk   .   .   .
Letters
Council
misinformed
I would like to comment on
Friday's Ubyssey, which reported
the votes of members of the
student representative assembly
on the Pit dilemma so that we
could all see who voted for what.
The line at the bottom of the
article, "Education rep Carol
Obedkoff and Jim Stephen both
abstained during the vote," sticks
to the bottom of my stomach
because it gives the impression
that the education rep, myself,
does not have a definite opinion on
the matter, and prefers to let it all
happen without me.
As the saying goes, "Not to
decide is to decide," and I have
decided that it is pointless to make
a judgment based on unclear information. For instance, after
angrily arriving at the Wednesday
meeting late because I couldn't get
supper at the Pit, I was in time to
hear that the RCMP had told the
student administrative council
about its investigation into the
Pit's activities, and presentes SAC
with the option of either taking the
situation into control themselves,
or facing the possibility of cancellation of the Pit's special occasion permit.
Yet there was no concrete
evidence produced to prove that
the Pit is responsible for the
vandalism on campus, and no time
was allowed to make an official
inquiry into UBC's legal rights to
resist being pressured into an
undesirable position.
It is unfortunate that students do
not get a totally accurate idea of
what really happens in the SRA
meetings. The entire body is being
criticized    for    its     so-called
'political move" and "over-
reaction" to threats, but nobody
really listens to those who offer
intelligent alternatives.
The other side of the issue does
not get published, and as a result
anger is directed at the SRA as a
whole and the initial problem,
vandalism, is overlooked. The
Ubyssey's story Friday stating
that RCMP Sgt. Al Hutchinson said
he did not recommend closure of
the Pit totally contradicts the
evidence brought forward by SAC
in the SRA meeting, and casts an
even gloomier light on the
credibility of the resulting
decision. Something is wrong
somewhere.
However, The Ubyssey does not
publicize pleas made by several
SRA members to investigate the
legality of the situation before
closure and present different
policies to the liquor administration branch, to prove that
the students are willing to control
destructive behavior associated
with the Pit.
It is true that The Ubyssey
reporters do not get paid to write,
but I feel that more effort should be
made to report the course of the
debate accurately and present the
alternatives discussed in SRA
meetings. This way, perhaps the
SRA will gain more credibility with
the students.
Carol Obedkoff
education representative,
SRA
Cheers
Three cheers to student council
for taking action in suspending
liquor permits on campus. It is,
however, unfortunate that the
majority of responsible drinking
students must suffer along with the
beer swilling swine.
Hopefully this suspension period
will lead to the formation of some
responsible policies to deal with
the liquor situation on campus in
future. A mere period of suspension with no follow up action would
solve nothing.
In Manitoba a beer parlor waiter
or liquor store clerk can be fined
for serving or selling liquor to a
person who is drunk. I don't advocate penalties for UBC employees who serve liquor to a
drunk, but, perhaps a policy could
be established whereby an individual who is obviously drunk
would be refused any further
service.
I'm sure there are many other
solutions to the problems of
drunkenness and vandalism as a
result of drunkenness. I'm also
sure that the Pit management and
AMS executives are open to constructive suggestions from anyone.
Make your feelings know about the
subject, become a part of the
solution because it's costing you
money, like it or not.
Wilf Zemke
education 4
It is, in fact, illegal to serve
drunks in B.C. too. The problem
has been enforcing that law. Most
pubs don't enforce it themselves
because a beer sold is a nickel
earned and nobody drinks more
than drunks.—Staff.
It's worth it
It is unfortunate that the glorious
editors of The Ubyssey, having sat
through an hour and a half of
debate in the student representative assembly on Wednesday
evening, failed to realize anything
that the members of the student
administrative council said.
SAC members feel that the
closing of the Pit will have no effect
upon either vandalism or drunken
driving, and repeatedly communicated that view to the RCMP.
We do not believe for one minute
that there will be noticeable
decrease, and this tends to back up
our reasons for closing these
facilities—for then we can show the
RCMP that the Pit is not solely to
blame.
Knee-jerk, over-reacting
assholes, you say. Bullshit, say I.
We do not have a pub license, we
have a special occasions permit,
revocable at any time. To draw an
analogy from the game of bridge,
sometimes when you have a sure
loser, you lose a trick early to set
up the rest of your hand.
Let's face it, a month's loss of the
Pit is a small price to pay if we can
retain our permit. The RCMP
doesn't believe the Alma Mater
Society is responsible enough to
enjoy liquor privileges. We hope to
show them otherwise.
So   come   on   you   guys,   stop
thinking about how dry your
mouths are going to be for the next
month and start thinking about
changes that can be made in the
next month and what a dismal
place UBC would be if we lost that
permit permanently.
John Swainson
secretary, SAC
The Ubyssey welcomes letters
from all readers.
Letters should be signed and
typed.
Pen names will be used when the
writer's real name is also included
for our information in the letter or
when valid reasons for anonymity
are given.
Although an effort is made to
publish all letters received, The
Ubyssey reserves the right to edit
letters for reasons of brevity,
legality, grammar or taste.
letters should be addressed to
the paper care of campus mail or
dropped off at The Ubyssey office,
SUB 241-K.
THE UBYSSEY
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 26, 1976
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the
university year by the Alma Mater Society of the University of
B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and not of the AMS
or the university administration. Member, Canadian University
Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page Friday, a weekly commentary
and review. The Ubyssey's editorial offices are located in room
241K of the Student Union Building. Editorial departments,
228-2301; Sports, 228-2305; Advertising, 228-3977.
Co-Editors: Sue Vohanka, Ralph Maurer
Heather Walker sidled into the office, where Chris Gainor ran into her.
"Whisper, whisper, whisper," he told her as he picked up his books and
left. Walker paled, then passed the message on to Mike Bocking, Marcus.
Gee, Sue Vohanka and Shelly Roberts. As one, they fled the office. "What's
going on?" asked Deb van der Grachchcht, Matt King, Paul Wilson and
Charlie Micallef. "Whisper, whisper whisper," Jan Nicol told them in a
panicky voice as she threw on her coat and fled. Out in the hall she met
Doug Rushton and Doug Field and told them the bad news.
Word had gone out: Ralph Maurer was writing mastheads again; and there
was only one way of making sure he didn't say anything bad about you:
make sure you weren't in the masthead. Tuesday, October 26, 1976
THE        UBYSSEY
Page 7
Footballers lose again
last chance Saturday
By PAUL WILSON
After losing their second straight
game Saturday, the UBC Thunderbirds football team have their
backs to the wall when they play
the University of Calgary
Dinosaurs Saturday.
If UBC beats the Dinos they win
the Western Intercollegiate
Football League title and get home
field advantage when College Bowl
playoffs start Nov. 6. If they tie,
they can still make the playoffs —
but only if the Manitoba Bisons
(who beat UBC Saturday) defeat
third-place University of Alberta
Golden Bears. If UBC loses ....
"I guess it is safe to say Saturday's game will be one of the most
important we've had in years,"
'Birds coach Frank Smith said
Monday.
"Thething is, if we win there will
be an even bigger one the next
week. But winning won't be that
easy."
In spite of their second straight
loss, UBC is still in second place in
the league, behind the University
of Saskatchewan Huskies. But the
Huskies have played all their
games and UBC has a game in
hand.
The Bisons, who were setting
records for ineptitude early in the
season, pulled off their second
straight monster upset in beating
UBC 42-16 in Winnipeg.
"We just didn't get the job done
Saturday. We dug ourselves into a
hole early in the game and just
couldn't climb out," Smith said.
- 'Bird end Chris Davies scored
both UBC touchdowns, in the first
and fourth quarters. Gary Metz
kicked one convert and a single,
Gord Penn caught a pass on the
other 'Bird convert to add two
more points.
In the league's other game
Saturday the Alberta Golden Bears
tied Saskatchewan 16-16 to further
complicate the standings.
W.I.F.L. Standings:
W L   T   F
Sask. 4   3
UBC 4
Alta. 3
Calgary 3
Man. 3
3
1 161
0 167
1 138 151
0 136 183
0 168 118
A Pts
142 9
182
Soccer 'Birds fly
UBC's men's soccer team won two games during the weekend,
downing Pegasus 3-0 in B.C. Soccer League play and dumping the
University of Victoria 1-0 in Canada West Intercollegiate Playoffs.
UBC forward Ron Hurley and goaltender Lyle Watkinson came out
of the weekend shining. Watkinson, a rookie replacing Greg Weber
(now with the Vancouver Whitecaps) in goal this year, was in the nets
for both shutouts. Hurley picked up two UBC goals and assisted on a
third.
Hurley scored UBC's first goal against Pegasus on a pass from
Claudio Morelli Saturday; he returned the favor Sunday when he
assisted on Morelli's goal against the Vikings. Craig Campbell scored
UBC's other goal Saturday.
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THE
UBYSSEY
Tuesday, October 26, 1976
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Decision due soon
on future of UBC's
endowment lands
By HEATHER WALKER
For 50 years the University Endowment
Lands have been a peaceful, isolated forest
despite their location in a rapidly-growing
city. They are one of the few pleasant results
of government indecisiveness.
But their future will be decided soon.
Environment minister Jim Nielson
established a task force last July to study
theendowment lands, and it will report back
to him Nov. 30.
Task force member Peter Horwood said
Thursday he expects the government to
decide on future uses for the UEL shortly
after the task force makes its report.
Horwood says groups set up to study the
UEL in the past had "open-ended time
constraints,'' and didn't report back to the
government until about two years after they
were established.
"Then the reports never had to be
assessed," he says. "Our deadline is short,
but at least we have to go back and report to
the government afterwards."
Horwood says the short period of time the
task force will be operating indicates to him
that environment minister Nielson intends
to decide soon what will happen to the UEL.
Proposals in open
"Nielson told us to get things (proposals)
out in the open, and if it creates yells and
screams, he said, at least then we know
what the yells and screams are.
"This whole process says action is going
to be taken."
Horwood says that of the proposals the
group has heard so far, almost none had
come from UBC students and faculty.
"There's a lot of students sitting on their
asses out there." He says the task force was
particularly interested in hearing from
students because "there are a lot of
demands they could make on facilities out
there."
He hopes there will be more student input
at the task force's first public forum, to be
held at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday in the Instructional Resources Centre.
"If people don't make their pitches now
(while the taskforceis working) then they'll
have lost their chance," he says.
So far, student input has been limited to
individuals who come in and discuss the
UEL with task force members. The Alma
Mater Society has asked two council
members, arts rep Bev Crowe and forestry
REPORTER    WALKER
...    on   UEL trail
rep Jim Stephens, to prepare a report for
council on the UEL.
But so far the two have not come up with a
report, although arts rep Dave Van Blarcom
said Thursday he had expected them to
present their report at last Wednesday's
council meeting.
Stephens says the report should be ready
within two weeks. "We didn't have a
deadline for it — we're going to work on it
this Tuesday."
Stephens says he wants to see the whole
area used as a "walking-type park with no
commercial developments" such as concession stands.
Horwood says almost all plans suggested
for the area favor using it predominantly or
completely as a park.
This trend contrasts with past plans for
the area. Until the NDP designated 1,066
acres of the UEL as the Frank Buck
Memorial Park by order-in-council shortly
after their defeat by the Socreds, plans for
the land consisted almost entirely of using it
for residential and/or commercial development.
The concept of endowment lands first
evolved in 1908 when 750,000 acres of forest
and agricultural land were set aside near
the Lytton and Merritt area to be leased or
sold by university administrators to bring in
money for the university.
But in 1923, the provincial government
decided these lands were too remote to
produce much money, and traded them for
2,500 acres of land adjacent to the UBC
campus.
This acreage has since been reduced to
1,700 by the residential area on and around
Chancellor boulevard, the university golf
course, the land used by TRIUMF and B.C.
Research and some land occupied by
churches and schools in the area.
But none of it has generated revenue for
the university, as development of the land
has always been too expensive.
UML site unique
The Vancouver park board recently
presented a report to the task force asking
that the whole area be used as a multipurpose park, with the bulk of it left in as
natural a state as possible.
Parks board commissioner Bowie Keefer
envisions the park as complementary to
Stanley Park.
"The park will be as important as Stanley
Park, and will attract the same large
number of people," he says.
Keefer says an endowment lands park
would be unique because of its large forest
area, its proximity to the sea and the mouth
of the Fraser river, and its location near
UBC.
Keefer says a park and the university
would complement each other through their
recreational and educational functions.
He said UBC facilities such as the
Museum of Anthropology, the library, the
botanical gardens, and recreational
facilities such as the gymnasium and the
swimming pool would enhance the park.
The park, he says, could be used for
educational purposes through wildlife interpretation centres, which would be places
for public education on B.C. wildlife. And
areas such as the ecological reserve in the
southwest section of Frank Buck park and
Camosun bog, between Sixteenth and King
Edward at the eastern boundary of the UEL,
could also hold smaller "wilderness
classrooms."
Keefer says he saw the endowment lands
as divided into three main sections, which
could be developed in different ways.
The ecological reserve and Camosun bog
would be areas for maximum conservation
and very little development, he says. The
ecological reserve contains a blue heron
nesting ground, one of three remaining in
the Lower Mainland. The bog is an example
of post-glacial bog, and contains several
plant types not found elsewhere in the area.
The majority of the park would be used for
recreation, including hiking, bicycling and
horseback riding, he says. The area used for
these types of activity would include most of
the area currently designated  as  Frank"
CAMOSUN  BOG
—John mclellan i
site   of   wilderness classes?
Buck park, as well as the foreshore park
which extends around Point Grey as far as
Spanish Banks and Jericho Park.
In fact, this section of the land is already
used for these kinds of recreation. Trails
through the woods are constantly in use by
riders and bicyclists, as well as people
walking through the woods.
A third section could be used for "more
intense recreation," says Keefer, such as
tennis courts and a possible expansion of the
golf course.
Keefer says the area along Sixteenth
would be most suitable for this purpose.
The more intensively recreational areas
of the park would be the most expensive,
says Keefer, along with improvement of
beach facilities.
Development of other sections of the park
would be quite inexpensive, he says. There
are already almost 30 miles of trails in the
endowment lands, and these need very little
improvement.
Otherwise, the areas would need fire
protection and what he calls "low key forest
management," as well as, eventually, park
wardens who would protect more sensitive
areas, including the heronry.
In a brief interview Wednesday, Nielson
said he had as yet no plans for the endowment lands. He says using the entire
area as a park appears to be a "simple
solution, and could or could not be the best
solution."
"There are obvious advantages to using it
as apark, but thereare also responsibilities.
You need fire protection, because if you
encourage people to use an area, you increase the danger of fire."
Nielson says the UEL is not yet
adequately protected against fires, unlike
Stanley Park, which, he said, is well serviced by hydrants.
UEL park to stay
In spite of the possible problems in
developing the land as a park, Nielson said
the Socreds are not considering reversing
the NDP decision dedicating a large section
of the UEL as a park.
But, he said, it is part of the task force's
job to decide what kind of park it will be.
Horwood says the task force examines
proposals it receives and makes recommendations on them. For example, a
proposal may say the area should be used as
park, but not include details on how the park
should be administered, he says. In that
case, the task force includes various administrative possibilities.
Keefer says the 600 acres of the UEL
between Tenth and Chancellor Boulevard,
and between Chancellor and Spanish Banks,
are the areas most affected in the decision
on the endowment lands.
He says many people think this section
consists mainly of scrub alder "because
that's what you see from the road, but after
you go through the alder, you come to a
Douglas fir forest area."
He says this area , is unsuitable for
development because it's close to the
eroding cliffs. "The erosion is mainly from
run-off water, which used to be absorbed by
the forest."
Nigh
plan
Architect Roger Kemble, who presented a
proposal to the task force, wants to see this
area used for six high density communities,
each with a population of about 5,000 and
containing a shopping centre, elementary
school and a community centre.
Horwood criticized Kemble's proposal
because of the erosion problem. And, he
adds, transportation routes to the area
probably would be inadequate for so great
an increase in the area's population.
Horwood says the task force hopes to hear
what the community wants to see in the
endowment lands at Wednesday's public
forum. He said members have interviewed
between 200 and 300 people since the office
opened in August.
"We've gotten to the point where a
number of people have outlined
possibilities," he says. "Now we need more
active work from the community as a
whole."
The forum will present data on the endowment lands, then have group
discussions, reports on the discussions and
questions from the floor.
After the group evaluates the forum,
Horwood says, it will hold another forum to
present its findings, and finally will report to
the government.
Four months is not a long time for a task
force to gather reports from the community.
In fact, it is an extremely short time for
groups to present thorough, carefully
thought-out plans — and Vancouver
residents would have been better served by
a task force operating for a longer period of
time.
The four month time limit places severe
restrictions on groups preparing reports.
But 54y ears is a ridiculous amount of time
for a succession of provincial governments
to decide not to decide on the endowment
lands. It can't go on forever.
In 1973, 4,000 students voted 93 per cent in
favor of either leaving the endowment lands
in their natural state or developing them as
parkland and recreational land. These lands
are just as important to students now as
they were three years ago when that
referendum was held.
Yet there has been almost no student input
so far into what is probably the final
decision on their future. Students have their
last chance to provide input on Wednesday.
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