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Vol. LXVII, No. 21
Vancouver, B.C. Tuesday, November 20,1984
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300 students protest hour cuts
Three hundred law, medicine and
library science students marched
from the law library to Main library
Monday before presenting hundreds of petitions and a bag of coins
to UBC's president and university
In the first major protest at UBC
this year, students gathered at the
law library at 3:30 p.m. and a few
minutes later awaited George
Pedersen at Main libary, where he
holds his Pedersen exchange Mondays. When students were told
Pedersen would be late they began
chanting "We want George! We
want George!"
Students from law and medicine
presented Pedersen with two petitions demanding library hours be
restored to 1983-84 levels. The law
petition had 450 signatures out of a
possible 700 students.
And student law senator Peter
Kendall gave university librarian
Douglas Mclnnes a bag of nickels
and dimes from the Law Students
Association. The coins were donations from the association's
photocopying revenue intended to
help finance more library hours.
All UBC libraries except
Sedgewick faced extensive hour cuts
this year, especially in weekend and
evening hours, due to funding cuts.
Pedersen   addressing   the   pro
testers, said "I wish I could stand
here and say to you that things are
going to bet better next year. Unfortunately, I have to be able to
stand here and tell you they're
Pedersen added UBC is likely to
receive a second five per cent cut in
B.C. government funds next year.
Mclnnes also said he was not optimistic about finding funds to keep
the libraries open more, adding "If
any adjustment can be made to
library hours this year, there's no
guarantee that it can continue next
A library science student said,
"Library hours affect us. If the
library's not open, we can't do our
assignments. Besides, there's a
whole philosophy around a research
facility. It's got to serve its community, and if it's closed — well,
there's no access to that, right?"
LSA president Randy Klarenbach
said the protest was successful
because it conveyed publicly the
association's concern. "Some of
the members of the Senate weren't
even aware of the cutback in library
CFS calls for Ombudsman
The Canadian Federation of
Students has petitioned the B.C.
minister of intergovernmental affairs to speed up the proclamation
of the Ombudsman Act's schedule
which would give the provincial
Ombudsman jurisdiction in university disputes.
Tami Roberts, CFS pacific region
chair, said the Act went through
its due process of three readings in
the house in 1977 but the schedule
was never proclaimed by cabinet.
"The Ombudsman is prohibited
from investigating anything at the
university or college level because
sections seven and eight of - the
schedule pertain to universities, colleges, and public schools," said
Roberts. This means the Ombudsman is not an avenue available
to students, she added.
The Ombudsman Act, established in 1977, says the ombudsman
can investigate any activities according to a schedule.
"Students should have a right to
legal processes other than those
established by the university,"
Roberts said. These processes may
be fair, said Roberts, "but there are
always situations outside the
established norm."
The graduate student centre
takeover by the administration and
the continuing dispute is one such
situation, she said. The Ombudsman office was prohibited by
the act to conduct any investigation
connected with the university, said
"A publicly funded institution
should be subject to investigative
procedures outside the institution.
"It looks like they (the provincial
government) wants to get rid of the
Ombudsman altogether," she said.
Garde Gardom, minister of intergovernmental affairs, was not
available for comment, and an
assistant said he was not familiar
with the issue.
Michael Roberts, assistant to the
Lieu tenant-General, said he has no
idea why the Lieutenant-General in
Council hasn't proclaimed an Act
that has already passed three
readings at the legislator.
The Lieutenant-General in Council is a euphemism that refers to the
provincial cabinet, said Michael
Roberts. The Lieutenant-General
never stalls legislature but he does
give royal assent, Roberts added.
Gale Nash, registrar of regulations with the Legislative Council at
the attorney general's ministry, also
said she is not sure why the schedule
has not passed since 1977.
"Most of the people from 1977
are gone. Many acts are like that,
sometimes they just let it sit there."
Nash said the Act may have been
stalled because the legislation passed the house during the NDP
government. "It's a political move
which usually happens with a
change of government."
—eric eggertson photo
MAIN MALL SIGN is sooo beautiful that an admirer thinks it deserves a
hands on look.
Province should cut universities — Walker
The provincial government
should reduce funding to universities, the director of the Fraser Institute said Monday.
"Education   should   ideally   be
paid for by those who benefit from
it," Michael Walker told 80 people
in Angus 226.
Walker said most students who
benefit from public expenditure
come from above average income
Riot and reincarnation roll to UBC
A dead man will be resurrected in
the SUB plaza Thursday using a
That is not exactly true, but you
can be part of a mob scene protesting the resurrection of Mr.
White in Regeneration, a science
fiction movie being filmed by International   Heliothrope   Production
Company. The mob, which will include the Elvis club and some impersonators, wants to know why
Elvis cannot be brought back to life
instead of the unknown White.
Regeneration is one of four
feature films being shot locally
which will be on pay TV next year.
The crew is made up largely of re
cent Simon Fraser University and
UBC film graduates.
And this here is a chance for
UBC students to find stardom
without leaving the campus, by being part of the mob. If fame doesn't
entice you, International
Heliothrope is offering posters,
banners, pickets and a cash door
prize of approximately $300.
families. This transfer of funds is
regressive, Walker said, since lower
income families are supplying; the
higher income groups.
"People who are beneficiaries of
higher education are in the high income groups," he said. "You are
transferring income from the bottom 90 per cent to the top four or
five per cent of the population."
Walker said there should be programs available for gifted members
of the lower income groups, but
asked who should bear the burden
of education costs.
Walker said there is an economic
argument for cutting education as a
restraint measure. Walker said
restraint is "a political question"
and that he would only comment
where economic arguments can be
He said the B.C. government's
restraint program "is absolutely
necessary, and continues to be absolutely necessary."
Walker said he met with the
Social Credit cabinet, suggested
policies and advised the government
to "batten down the hatches"
before they released their controversial July 1983 budget. He said
the Socreds took some of his advise
and ignored other parts of it, adding he is against raising taxes and
"If we're going to throw money
away like that we might as well
throw it into the universities,"
Walker said.
CFS referendum must meet quorum challenge
In front of the table in SUB concourse the young man discusses the
pamphlet with a student in a long,
grey duffle coat. Another young
worker at the table with numerous
posters taped to it watches the few
passing students at 2:00 p.m. Monday afternoon.
The Monday Canadian Federation of Students information table
is one of the last public events
before the three day student
referendum starting Wednesday on
whether to join CFS and pay a
$7.50 membership fee per student.
Few student referenda reach
quorum at UBC let alone pass, but
CFS organizers say they will still
win the referendum which requires
10 per cent of UBC's student
population to vote yes.
Tami Roberts, CFS pacific region
chair, says it's still too early to say if
round table in SUB as she says
students still don't all know what
CFS is.
"I   think    UBC    has   such
potential," Roberts says, "But a lot
of Students
des etudiants
the students will support the three
year old organization in Friday's
vote count.
She taps her fingers on the small
of people don't seem to know the
channels they can work through."
She smiles when she says CFS can
provide a means for students to lob
by government at both the federal
and provincial level on education.
CFS has accomplished much this
year Roberts says, including making
presentations to provincial finance
minister Hugh Curtis's taxation
committee and the federal Mac-
Donald commission. CFS also provides students with the travel service
in SUB, the SWAP summer work
abroad program, and research on
UBC students don't know this
because the Alma Mater Society,
UBC's student society, has not
taken an interest in CFS although it
is a prospective member she says.
"An AMS representative once
came to a weekend CFS executive
meeting drunk for an entire hour
and three quarters," Roberts says.
The organization has both problems and potential, she says, adding UBC's representatives to CFS
can change the organization.
In response to UBC's No committee opposing AMS membership
in CFS Roberts replies:
• Yes, CFS' national budget
has a $68,000 debt, but CFS' provincial and services budgets have
the funds to make it up;
• Possibly the CFS' present
structure where each member has
one vote, including university and
college societies, is inadequate but a
workable alternative has never been
See page 2: VOTE Page 2
Tuesday, November 20,1984
Vote on CFS' worth up in air
From page 1
offered and weighted voting is illegal according to B.C.'s Societies
• CFS does have power when it
works in concert with other national groups including the Canadian Association of University
CFS is a "grassroots organization" she says, and UBC students
will get out of it what they put into
it. CFS is composed of colleges and
universities who each have a vote on
the provincial executive. All the
representatives meet twice a year at
the provincial and national level.
But UBC No committee co-chair
Donna Chow says the problems
with CFS are so numerous and so
important that UBC students
should not even consider voting yes.
"I have at least four main
reasons why we shouldn't join,"
she says.
Chow, arts 3 and student senate
caucus chair, with a group of five
students including the Inter-
Fraternity Council president have
organized a no campaign with $300
from an AMS special projects
Chow, speaking for herself, says
students cannot support any group
that runs a large deficit. "If they
can't manage money how do they
expect to evaluate government
economic policies," she says.
She adds CFS' publications appear to her to border "on the brink
of socialism" and CFS' entire approach is too anti-government to be
successful and gather student support.
Chow says three key problems
with CFS are that B.C. students
need only a provincial organization,
the fee is too high, and it is
ludicrous that UBC and colleges
should have the same vote in
plenaries and executive meetings.
"I'd agree to joining if it cost on
ly three dollars and if it was just a
provincial organization," she says.
But she says given the present offer,
she won't vote yes and is advising
others not to.
She adds the engineers and
science undergraduate societies
have taken a no stand and she says
commerce is unofficially adopting
a no stand.
But the Arts Undergraduate
Society and the AMS have both
voted to support the vote. The
AMS finance director, coordinator
of external affairs and the president
have supported the vote.
President Margaret Copping,
law 1, says the organization has
problems now. But with support
from student societies it could
become a powerful lobbying body
within 10 years, she says.
But the real fight at UBC is not
with the no campaign or amongst
different CFS, representatives, it is
against UBC's traditional apathy.
Few referenda reach quorum and
no one knows if this one will, let
alone which way people will vote.
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Student Representatives to serve on the Board of
Governors and the Senate.
This notice is a call for nominations for full-time students to
run for election for the following positions:
SENATE-SEVENTEEN students (five at-large
and one from each faculty)
Nomination forms giving full details of the requirements of nominations are available in the Registrar's Off ice, the A.M.S. Office (Room
266 S.U.B.), and in the offices of the Student Undergraduate
Societies and the Graduate Student Association.
Nominations must be in the hands of the Registrar no later
than 4:00 p.m. on Friday, December 7, 1984.
The   Ontario   College   of   Naturopathic   Medicine
(OCNM) is currently accepting applications for
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include 3 years of university with specific science
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The curriculum includes basic medical sciences and
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"Do you wish to join the Canadian Federation of Students at a fee of $7.50 per full-time
student per year?"
DAY POLLS: Wednesday, Nov. 21 to Friday, Nov. 23 as follows:
9:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
Computer Science
Grad Centre
Sedgewick Library
Woodward Lbirary
EVENING POLLS: Wednesday, November 21, as follows:
4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
Totem Park Common Block
Place Vanier Common Block
Walter H. Gage Common Block
Sedgewick Library
Pan Hellenic House
(Poll time and location subject to the availability of Poll Clerks)
BRING YOUR A.M.S. CARD Tuesday, November 20, 1984
Page 3
Mutual disarmament neccessary
It would take 400 nuclear
warheads to destroy 65 per cent of
the Soviet population and the U.S.
has 30,000 warheads, an expert on
the Soviet Union said Friday.
"And newly elected U.S. president Reagan plans to build 17,000
warheads," Dr. Jim Garrison told
70 people in SUB 205.
"An image of the world we have
created is that of being up to our
armpits in gasoline and being divid
ed into two teams, one possessing
20 matches and the other 30 matches, with leaders of each team telling their group that all that's needed for their protection is some more
matches," Garrison said in the
speech sponsored by UBC Students
for Peace and Mutual Disarmament. Russia has 20,000 warheads.
"People think we need these
weapons because the Russians are
so bad but it's actually the other
way   around,"   Garrison   said.
Because people have absolute
weapons, he added, there is a
psychological requirement for absolute enemies and so the weapons
have become the ends and the Russians the means.
"Before World War II, 'enemy'
meant a group that your group went
out and had combat with and you
either won or lost," Garrison said.
When the bomb was dropped on
Hiroshima things changed, and the
question of victory or defeat no
— rory a. photo
UBC PHYSICAL EDUCATION student Diane Rakiecki trains for upcoming race in Honolulu next month.
Peru woman
seeks Canada's
A Peruvian woman is in Canada
asking Canadians to pressure the
Peruvian military to respect Peruvian elections next March.
"We are expecting some sort of
military control in Peru," Gilma
Torres de Retto said Monday. She
said the fact the military are extremely visible in some parts of the
country today is a bad sign.
Torres de Retto said the fears of a
military takeover after the March
elections are only rumours. But she
said the opposition is very strong as
evidenced by the recent success
of an opposition candidate for
mayor in Lima, and if the opposition wins the military will likely
overthrow the government.
Torres de Retto said the opposition and people will be confused if
this happens, as Peru is supposedly
a democracy, and she does not
know how the people will react. She
added the military might use a high
degree of force to bring about their
desired ends.
Canadians can help the situation
by pressuring their government
and by providing medical and food
aid, Torres de Retto said.
She is speaking at the graduate
student centre on the murder of
Peruvian journalists, including her
son, in an apparent army-organized
attack. She will speak in the Garden
room at noon Thursday.
Tuesday November 20—Sub Auditorium
Jane Siberry
Wednesday, Nov. 21 — Commodore Ballroom
The Spoons/The Box
Monday, Nov. 26—UBC Memorial Gym
Dr. Helen Caldicott
Tuesday, Nov. 27 — Commodore Ballroom
Parachute Club/Bolero Lava
Wed. & Thurs., Dec. 5 & 6 — Sub Auditorium
Jonathon Richmond
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longer exists, he said.
"There is a new definition for
'enemy.' Now the people who we
used to want to conquer are defined
as the focus of evil on earth and it's
better that everybody dies before
you give this enemy an inch —
that's what 'better dead, than red'
means and this is the basis upon
which deterrence rests."
People think they need nuclear
weapons to defend freedom and
democracy but these deals mean little when they are protected with the
threat of extinction, he said.
The Soviet Union has a controlled
press and the U.S. supposedly has a
free press, Garrison said, adding he
feels as he visits the two he is in a
hall of mirrors. "What the media
says on one side is exactly the same
as what the media of the other side
says and the public believes it,"
Garrison said.
For people, nuclear weapons
mean annihilation but for governments they mean power, Garrison
said. "It must be a great
psychological rush for Reagan and
Chernenko to know that a move of
their finger can annihilate humanity," he said.
A lively discussion followed Garrison's speech. Asked about the role
the press plays in the East-West
relationship, Garrison said the
Soviets know they're being lied to
and so read between the lines but
Americans believe almost
everything they read.
"People in the West have a
peculiar reverence for the written
word," he said.
A member of the audience asked
if it is the role of the intellectual or
the professor to encourage
disrespect for authority.
"Absolutely!" said Garrison, "I
got thrown out of every school I
was in. I felt that what the government was doing and what professors were teaching me was crap
when compared to what was really
going on in the world."
Professors must put forward the
real issues or they will lose the right
to think because they won't be here,
he added.
Grad centre may
remain open
If the Graduate Student Society
cannot solve its labor problems,
UBC may still close the graduate
student centre, UBC's associate vice
president of student affairs said
Neil Risebrough earlier told the
GSS the administration might close
the centre after Nov. 1 if they did
not resolve the problem.
Risebrough said the GSS has
violated a contract with the union
workers at the centre. Risebrough
said this concerns him because the
university is legally responsible for
labor actions taken by the GSS.
"We're not anxious to close them
down but we don't want to be responsible for any actions the union
may take against the GSS,"
Risebrough said.
Risebrough said the GSS should
have both responsibility and control. "I have no interest in running
the grad student centre. It should be
independent like the AMS," he
GSS representatives were
unavailable for comment Monday.
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Tuesday, November 20, 1984
Protest needs greater aim
The Law Students Association
organized an action protesting
library hour cuts. They even
managed to get the medical and
library science students to join.
The protest was mild — a walk
from the law library to Main library,
followed by a presentation of petitions and coins to UBC's president
and head librarian.
The scope was narrow, allowing
law students to mobilize their own
faculty and gain support from other
students who rely heavily on the
But a library cut protest to the
president shrinks in importance
when one examines the many ways
decreasing governmental funds affect UBC.
This does not invalidate the law
students' march. Appealing to the
self-interest of students — in this
case the heavy workload and competition   —     is a positive way to
increase their involvement.
Most of us hold something
sacred in our education, whether it
be updated engineering or science
equipment, accessible libraries, or
at least a few small classes where
the professor can talk with you individually.
Hopefully, more students will
speak out for what they value most
before it is gone.
Vote CFS
The Ubyssey encourages
students to vote yes in a vote of
hope in the upcoming Canadian
Federation of Students membership referendum.
No one denies the organization
has structural problems but it is the
only attempt of Canadian students
to organize and present a consistent voice to government and other
social groups at the provincial and
national level.
Canadian students — and UBC
students-need this representation.
Most major groups in society have
such representation. Look to labor,
business and other groups which
have organized to support their interests.
Students, like these other
groups, have common interests,
education interests. Students
therefore require a united voice.
It's worth $7.50 a year.
CFS 'too confrontational9
In some ways, I suppose, it
doesn't really matter to me whether
the UBC Alma Mater Society joins
the Canadian Federation of
I understand that at least one
politician has already come up with
the idea of cutting arts programs at
UBC so that science and engineering   can   continue   to   flourish.
Oh, arts would still exist, in the
form of journalism, languages, or
perhaps political science, but
philosophy, history, sociology, anthropology, psychology, these
would all be dispensed with in the
name of more "productive"
faculties. So you see, as a science
student, I don't worry about the
kind of bogey-men the CFS try to
Bullshit. I may be in science, and
maybe arts people do take a lot of
abuse from science and engineering,
but arts is not expendable.
Anybody who seriously debates the
value of the arts faculty is not rational enough to accept reasoning,
so I will not offer it.
The CFS would be a wonderful
organization to join if it could truly
effect positive change on our educational system. Because its set-up
and personnel are of an antagonistic   and   confrontational
disposition, the CFS will never be
able to be a dynamic force in solving student problems. The
organization is static and reactionary.
Granted their faults, any group,
even the CFS, is better than trying
to stand alone. Right? Not
necessarily so.
Or does it make more sense to
work on an institutional level, making sure that students, staff, faculty, and administration of each
university agree upon its particular
The question is whether positive
action starts now, with an end to
static reactionary politics. I'm
voting "no" to joining CFS
because I don't want to see arts cut
while CFS finds out the hard way
that its methods are valueless.
I hope people get involved and
help generate the positive input
which will affect the necessary
changes to see that our artsie
friends still have a faculty to call
their own.
Lonn Myronuk
science undergraduate society president
November 20, 1984
The Ubyssey is published Tuesday and Fridays throughout the
academic year by the Alma Mater Society of the University of British
Columbia. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and are not
necessarily those of the university administration or the AMS.
Member Canadian University Press. The Ubyssey's editorial office is
SUB 241k. Editorial department, 228-2301/2305. Advertising
Welcome to this week's glorious masthead. (A masthead is the thing you are presently reading.I
Last Tuesday we said we'd bring you live coverage of the staff rollerball game, so here goes: "It's dog
eat dog out there folks. Charlie Fidelman, Ginny Aulin, Renate Boomer, Hui Lee and Steve Neufeld
have already been decapitated and removed from the game. Monte Stewart, Patti Rather, Rory Allen,
Victor Wong and Robert Beynon were all disqualified for using grenades. Eric Eggertson, Stephen
Wisenthal and Debbie Lo have just perished in a nuclear exchange. Oave Stoddart is the last person
alive, so he wins." Who writes this silly shit anyways?
Dietetics raising money for Ethiopians
An estimated six million people in
Ethiopia and one million in Eritrea (a
politically isolated area northeast of
Ethiopia) are threatened with starvation as
a result of drought.
People are not simply malnourished.
Many, including children are starving to
death. Ethiopia's government has asked
donor countries for 600,000 tons of grain
through 1985. Since next year's harvest is
expected to be even worse there is a need for
continued aid.
UBC dietetics students in conjunction
with health sciences and forestry are sponsoring a fund raising bake sale Wednesday,
Nov. 21 to generate funds for Oxfam.
Booths will be located in SUB, the Instructional Resource Centre and Forestry. Funds
will be used for relief assistance in Ethiopia
and Eritrea.
Funds will be donated to Oxfam because
Oxfam not only provides short term famine
aid but also is involved in long term projects
such as digging wells and providing
agricultural expertise. They also have personnel in the country to see that projects are
being carried out properly.
We are asking students and staff to support the sale which is non-profit. All funds
will be sent to Oxfam.
Seieda Williams
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Hunger group helps
At a time when many Canadians
and indeed many other people from
throughout the developed world are
compassionately responding to the
emergency in Ethiopia, alternative
means of crisis management should
be considered.
Sure, emergency shipments of
food aid are needed most urgently
in these drought torn areas, in
Ethiopia and in other parts of
Africa, but this air drop is a stop
gap response. Many, many people
had to die of starvation before the
wire services picked up on the fact
that there's a problem out there.
Building self sufficiency through
alternative technologies compatible
with the indigenous culture looks
beyond only symptoms. Self help
projects breed local self reliance,
and, while they cannot make the
rains come, they can increase people's capacity for tolerating natural
disasters such as droughts. Canada
is an organization trying to build
such a bridge between good intentions and practical help.
Canada describes itself as a nonprofit grassroots relief and development organization.
Many other organizations might
fit that description. Plenty
volunteers are different from most.
They'd fit most people's stereotype
of hippies — long hair, kinda
mellow, tie dye T-shirts.
When not in the Caribbean,
Lesotho, Sri Lanka or Guatemala,
most of them live on 'The Farm'
communes in Lanark, Ontario or in
Tennessee in the States.
Plenty volunteers preach through
their  action.  Programs  centering
around the use of soybeans to improve the protein supply, water
delivery systems supplying entire
villages, agriculture, and forest
management are aspects of Plenty's
work that address the levels of
malnutrition and unemployment in
their target areas.
While the work is in progress,
locals are trained in whatever skills
are needed so that they can carry on
when the Plenty volunteers leave.
Readers of The Ubyssey and
other UBC students alert enough to
catch on to a good thing when they
see it will most certainly drop into
MacMillan 158 this Thursday at
12:30. David and Mary Agnew will
be there.
So what? Well, they've just
returned from Lesotho in southern
Africa where they worked as Plenty
Along with other volunteers still
there, they initiated soy dairies,
drinking water delivery systems, irrigation and soil conservation projects, soybean and vegetable
gardens, and orchards and
This Thursday, David and Mary
will be showing slides and a video of
these and other self help projects in
the Caribbean and Guatemala.
Handicrafts from these countries
and from the commune will be
So if you see anyone walking
around preppyland UBC after
Thursday sporting a tie dye, you'll
know where they got it.
Rob Stephenson
SO WHAT if you can only print an 'X'? That's all that's needed, besides your AMS card, to vote In
this week's referendum on joining the Canadian Federation of Students. For poll times and locations, see page four of this insert.
What Is CFS?
The Canadian Federation of
Students is 450,000 students in
Canada working together on
issues of common concern. It is
the only way that students can
coherently represent themselves
to the federal and provincial
governments. It has been officially
endorsed by MP's from all political
parties. The Federation has been
accepted as the representative of
students by all levels of government and by all opposition parties.
Decisions in the Federation are
not made by individuals, but by the
representatives of member student
associations. This means that
delegates from the UBC Alma
Mater Society and Graduate Stu-
AMS, Grads
Support CFS
The Canadian Federation of
Students has been endorsed by
both the Alma Mater Society and
Graduate Society councils.
On October 17, 1984, the AMS
Council voted 15/8/2 to endorse the
YES position in the referendum.
Reasons for the endorsement
varied, but the common theme was
that only through unity could
students hope to preserve a quality
education system in Canada.
Said Nancy Bradshaw, External
Affairs Co-ordinator for the AMS," I
support joining the Canadian
Federation of Students because
students must work together to improve the situation of post-
secondary education in Canada.
C.F.S. is currently the only national
framework to organize students on
common issues."
Director of Finance James
Hollis, who once served as the B.C.
representative to the national executive, also endorsed the Federation. "With the current state of
education, we cannot afford not to
On the Graduate Student Socie-
See page 2
dent Society participate in every
aspect of the organization — from
setting budgets and policy, to
directing staff. All member student
associations also have representatives on the Federation's provincial executive, so day to day work
has constant input from members.
The Federation serves as a way
for students to communicate with
each other. Update and Bulletin are
publications which go to each student society every few weeks. The
B.C. Student is distributed to all
students on member campuses. It
includes news on student issues,
and a special survival issue is
printed in the spring for those
students looking for jobs or applying for aid. The Student Traveller is
published twice annually, and contains information about various
travel deals and packages.
The Federation is not perfect.
There are some operational problems to be worked out, and ways
of increasing students' participation in the orgainization have to be
developed. The Federation has
come a long way, increasing
membership by over 150% since
1981, and boasting a level of
research, influence, and services
never before reached by a Canadian student organization.
The Federation offers the only
researchers working on post-
secondary concerns in Canada; the
only national discount program;
the only Canadian speakers
bureau; and the only comprehensive data bank on student issues
and services in Canada.
In order that the Federation improve, it needs to have a stable and
committed membership. On
November 21, 22 & 23, UBC
students have the chance to join
the Federation and improve conditions for students ail across
Read the following information
on the Federation (including the
'NO' position) and make up your
mind on joining. If you have further
questions, the YES committee can
be reached in the Graduate Student Centre for the duration of the
This will be the most important
decision UBC students make. Be
sure that your vote counts.
Why The AMS
Should Vote No
UBC students currently hold prospective membership in the CFS. If
this referendum passes, CFS will
take $7.50 from each student — an
aggregate sum of at least $210,000.
As prospective members for the
past 3 years, have you been aware
of any significant influence that
CFS has had on the quality of your
education? Have they, as they
claim, combined our political and
economic strengths to better serve
our educational system and us?
The CFS track record is, at best,
spotty. The Organization is
$128,000 in debt. By joining, UBC
will, in effect, be bailing them out.
Is it any wonder that the CFS is
working so hard to obtain our
membership? Furthermore, if UBC,
with a population in excess of
27,000 students, accedes to full
membership in the CFS, it is
unlikely that your interests will be
adequately represented. CFS
policy dictates that every member
of its organization receive only one
vote. This means that those col
leges with less than 500 students
will have the same amount of influence over CFS decisions as will
UBC. Is this fair?
Lastly, and most significantly, it
must be noted that very little of the
post-secondary education policy is
determined at the national level;
UBC's financial difficulties are the
result of the provincial government's actions, not those of the
federal government. Thus, money
given to a national organization
such as the CFS is wasted money.
Unless quorum is reached in this
referendum, the question of UBC's
membership in the CFS will remain
open. So, if you do not want
$210,000 of your money to go to the
CFS, you can only make your opinion known by voting 'NO', and settling'the question for good.
Because, unfortunately, there is
no good reason to vote 'Yes'.
Sponsored by the Vote 'NO'
Who Is The No Committee?
The Vote 'NO' Committee has
the support of the following AMS
organizations and AMS Students:
Inter-fraternity Council
Engineering Undergraduate
Science Undergraduate
The  Executive,  UBC  Progressive
Conservative Club
Donna   Chow,   Student   Senate
Caucus   Representative   to   AMS
Student Council.
Lai Lee, Commerce Representative
to AMS Student Council
Jonathan Mercer, Arts Representative to AMS Student Council.
James Petrovich, Science
Representative to AMS Student
Robyn Hunter, Nursing Representative to AMS Student Council.
Ginny   Balcom,   Engineering
Representative   to   AMS  Student
Steve   Harris,   President,   Inter-
Fraternity Council.
Robert   Sanazlone,   Public   Relations, Inter-Fraternity Council.
Ron   Finnigan,   Applied   Science
Suzie Phillips, concerned student.
Michael Bently, concerned, student.
Jeff Hierck, concerned student.
Dan Andrews, concerned student
and many others too numerous to
This issue of Itie CFS FORUM is being
I published in conjuction with the Alma Mater
Society's referendum on joining the Canadian Federation of Students. It is published
by the Alma Mater Society's publication of
fice by a decision of Students' Council as an information service. The
opinions represented herein are those of the Yes and No Committees
respectively; although members of Council may belong to either of these
committees, the official Council position is in favour of the referendum,
the Ubyssey student newspaper generously agreed to insert this publication, but made no editorial contributions. It is the intention of Council,
via CFS FORUM, to make available to students the arguments for and
against joining OFS in the confident hope that UBC students will make
an informed decision and vote accordingly. (Further information regarding poll times and locations is found on page four of FORUM). In addition to the contributions of the No and Yes commitees, the following
people helped make CFS FORUM possible: Nancy Bradshaw, Margaret
Copping, Cheryl Kaminsky, Nancy Campbell and The Ubyssey Graphix
file. Page 2 — AMS CFS Forum Supplement November 20/84
Federation's Services Meet Member Needs
Fiscal Death
A Myth
The Federation operates with
three budgets. Of the $7.50
membership fee, $3.50 goes to the
provincial budget, $1.00 to the services budget, and $3.00 to the national budget. These budgets are
set by the general meetings of the
Federation, and may only be
changed by agreement of a majority of member local associations.
Much has been made of the
Federation's current deficit. It
should be remembered, first of all,
that only one of the three budgets
is in a deficit position. The pacific
region budget ran a $20,000
surplus for the 83/84 fiscal year.
The services budget, which includes revenue from Travel CUTS,
is projected to run a surplus of
$50,000 in the coming year (this is
a conservative estimate).
The national budget has a current deficit of $68,000. The reason
for this is that the national budget
more than the other three was affected by the influx of prospective
members into the Federation. The
National Union of Students (the
Federation's national predecessor)
ran on a budget of about $135,000.
When the membership grew so
quickly, gathering new members
and prospective members, new
staff had to be hired, and more information produced and
distributed. This created an imbalance in the Federation's
budget. That budget deficit will be
fixed in three ways: 1) by the conversion of non-paying prospective
members into fee-paying full
members (see graph); and 2) by
following the five year financial
plan developed at the past general
meeting (November) which plans
to pay off the deficit in two years.
This plan is not contingent on
UBC's membership, but on current
membership fees.
So talk of the Federation's fiscal
death are premature. A full-time
financial coordinator deals with
the finances of the national
budget, and will ensure that the
fiscal plan is adhered to. In fact,
the Federation will be running with
the largest budget of any student
organization within the next two
Councils Support CFS
From page 1
ty council, the vote to join was
10/1/0. The grad's have participated
in the Federation since November
Even some representatives
voting against the Federation had
kind words for its work. "If CFS is
doing all this already, UBC
students will benefit. Why do we
need to join?" asked one representative.
The $7.50 fee wasn't an issue. A
survey done by Federation
representatives during UBC
registration showed that the vast
majority of' students felt the fee
was a pittance compared to the
good work being done and the savings available through the discount program.
As AMS president Margaret Copping said, "I think the real value of
the Canadian Federation of
Students is the potential lobbying
value of the organization ... C.F.S.
can lobby far better than UBC ever
The Federation offers a variety
of programs and sen/ices, designed to meet the needs of member
student associations and individual students.
The Canadian Programming Service, the only Canadian speakers
bureau, allows student associations and other groups to book major name speakers on block tours.
This service can be of assistance
to clubs and undergraduate
societies, and eliminates the need
for expensive American agencies.
The Information Resource Service operated for student associations to share information on
various aspects of their policy and
operations. This means that a student in B.C. can benefit from the
expertise of other students across
Canada when setting up on-
campus services.
Programs for individual
members include: the Student
Work Abroad Program (SWAP); the
StudentSaver  discount   program;
the International Student Identity
Card (ISIC); and Travel CUTS.
The Student Work Abroad Program is designed to help Canadian
students find jobs overseas. The
program operates in Britain,
Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand,
and will soon open in France and
Australia. The program has been
open for over 10 years, and has had
many happy participants. Federation members receive priority for
spots in the program.
The national discount program
is available to all members of the
Federation. In September,
membership cards are distributed
by the local student association (to
full members only). Along with the
card, a guidebook listing all of the
discounts in the country is
distributed. This pocket-sized book
can be a student's best friend,
pointing the way to thousands of
discounts at clothing stores, book
shops, restaurants, and even some
food stores. This is the largest program of its kind in Canada.
International Student Identity
Cards are available free of charge
to students from full member campuses. They are useful for discounts outside of Canada, and for
travel abroad. ISIC cards cost $7.00
if purchased by prospective
members or by non-members of
the Federation.
Travel CUTS
Travel CUTS is the Federation's
wholly-owned travel company.
CUTS has offices on many campuses across Canada (including
here at UBC). CUTS runs charters
for student travel at break time,
which provide a good price for
students going home for the
holidays. As well, CUTS is privy to
special youth fares that other
agencies don't have. The profits of
Travel CUTS are used to fund other
student services across the country.
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AMS External affairs co-ordinator Nancy Bradshaw and student Patrick Bruskiewich participate in a recent CFS campaign planning session. Universities
and colleges work co-operatively together to solve mutual problems.
CFS Sensitive To Members' Needs
In November of 1981, the UBC
Alma Mater Society council voted
to take out prospective (or trial)
membership in the Canadian
Federation of Students. This committed the council to participation
in the Federation and to the running of a full-time membership
referendum within three years.
Under the Federation's constitutions, prospective membership
guarantees all of the rights and
privileges of full membership, except for the distribution of
membership cards and the accompanying discount program.
In January of 1982, representatives from the UBC Alma Mater
Society participated fully for the
first time with representatives from
other B.C. universities and colleges to form the Pacific region of
the Federation. The fees were set
at $3.50, bringing the total cost of
membership in the Federation to
$7.50 per student per year.
In the intervening period, the
Alma Mater Society has sent
delegates to every provincial and
national meeting of the Federation. As well, the Society now has a
representative on the provincial executive, which meets about once
every six weeks.
The road to working in a permanent coalition with other student
associations has not been an easy
one. At the end of the May, 1982 na
tional general meeting of the
Federation, two of the Alma Mater
Society's delegates, Dave Frank
and Bill Tieleman, presented to the
AMS council a list of 'major problems' with the Canadian Federation of Students. The following
items were on that list: the fee is
too high, the executive committee
is too large and costly, there are no
elected, full-time officials, the split
between the sen/ices and the national components of the Federation was too wide, there is poor
communication with and among
members, and there is a lack of
research data.
While the fee is still $7.50
(referenda must happen on every
campus to change the fee), the
members of the Federation, including the UBC Alma Mater Society and Graduate Student Society
have taken steps to eliminate most
of the other complaints. For example: the executive committee is
down to 13 members (from 28);
there is a full-time chair, and soon
there will be a full-time deputy-
chair; the two national executives
are now amalgamated; the Federation has established a regular
paper for members, and the new
provincial executive means that
representatives from all campuses
meet together on a regular basis;
and not only is the data bank in
Toronto functional, but the provin
cial office has hired a researcher.
In May of 1984, Nancy Bradshaw
attended the national general
meeting of the Federation. One of
her criticisms of the meeting was
the lack of a large institutions
caucus, to allow students from big
campuses to discuss their common problems. At the most recent
general meeting (November 1984),
such a caucus was successfully
These changes show that the
Federation is flexible, and that it is
possible to make improvements in
the way it operates. UBC representatives have a big effect on the
Federation, improving it for the
better. It would be a long wait for a
perfect organization to come
along. But when UBC representatives are willing to put their
criticisms into constructive alternatives, change has happened and
will happen.
How Decisions Are Made
All of the Federation's policy
and campaign decisions are set by
members. Each member student
association is entitled to send as
many delegates as possible to the
four general meetings that happen
each year (2 national and 2 provincial). Associations each have one
See page 4 AMS CFS Forum Supplement November 20/84 — Page 3
des etudiants
of Students
October 3rd.
Dear  Dr. McGePr:
The Canadian Federation of Students, in conjunction with the UBC
Alma Mater Society, is organizing a panel discussion entitled
"Education, Science, and Technology:  Visions for the Future", to
be held on Wednesday, October 24th, 1984.
We would like to invite you to be a panelist as your position of
Minister of Universities, Science and Technology is integral to
the development of education, science and technology in  British
Columbia .  We have also invited  Tom Siddon, federal Minister of
State for Technology, Pauline Jewett, NDP Education Critic, and
John Turner, Leader of the Oppostion  to sit on the panel, and
hope for a lively discussion of the future in these important
The panel discussion will last for approximately 45 minutes
(giving each speaker about 10 minutes for a presentation).  A
question period for the students in attendance will follow.  The
session will begin at 12:30 p.m., and end at 2:00 p.m.
We hope you will be able to attend, as the discussion will give
you an opportunity to present the policies of the Social Credit
Party regarding education, science and technology.  Also, it will
afford you some contact with your constituents in the Point
Grey area.
If your schedule cannot accomodate the panel discussion, please
feel free to suggest a substitute.  We can be reached at the
above telephone number and address.
Nancy Bradshaw,
External Affairs Co-ordinator,
UBC Alma Mater Society
Tami Roberts,
Pacific Region Chair,
Canadian Federation of
Fed Has No Clout
One of the arguments put forth
by the "YES" committee suggests
that the CFS is responsible for the
establishment of the Canada Student Loans and the B.C. Student
Assistance Programme. Rubbish.
Governments extend aid to
students when they think they are
able to attract the youth vote in an
upcoming election. No other factors are significant when considerations are made. Since the
amount of money involved from
the government's point of view is
small, the decision is a political
one, and not an economic decision.
$128,000 Deficit
Not Just
Cheap Talk
The CFS is currently $128,000
in debt. We will let you decide
whether or not this is the primary
reason for their wanting us to join
their organization. Our $210,000
dollar contribution would clear this
up rather nicely, wouldn't it? The
$128,000 is a figure quoted by Andrea Demchuk, a UBC delegate to
the CFS national convention in Ottawa last week, and a pro-CFS supporter.
According to her, the deficit is
divided into two parts. The first
part is structural, and is listed at
$68,500. The second part, listed at
$60,000, is being referred to as a
"cash flow deficiency". We have
no intention of engaging in a
discussion of just what a cash flow
deficiency is, but would suggest
that you treat it with the same
scepticism as we do. Finally, Ms.
Demchuk claimed that the
delegates adopted a resolution to
eliminate the deficit over the next
two to five years. We would suggest that promises to get their act
together in the future should be
considered once they are accomplished and not before.
Remember talk is cheap.
In 1963, the Diefenbaker government was looking for ways to attract the youth vote, which it felt
was needed in order to win the
election. The best way to gain the
support of students was by
establishing the Student Loans
Programme, which they did. The
fact that Canada has had a national
student organization since 1927
which did not succeed in receiving
aid until the Diefenbaker government decided to allocate funding
for students, clearly indicates that
the predecessor to CFS was not a
very strong lobby group.
In 1972, the B.C. Student Loan
Programme was established by the
New Democratic Party because it
had promised to do so during its
election campaign. In 1982, the
provincial government, under Bill
Bennett, increased student aid by
8.7 million dollars because it was a
promise made during the election.
In 1983, the federal Liberal Party,
with an upcoming election in mind,
attempted to shape up their student support by increasing the
amount available under the loan
programme. In none of these cases
did the input of the CFS, or any
other student group for that matter, influence the governments'
decision to provide financial aid to
If the CFS had any real clout,
then it would have been able to do
something when the provincial
government eliminated the grants
programme and instituted loans in
its place last year. As well, CFS
has not been able to get the
$27,000 million that the provincial
government diverted away from
post-secondary education a year
The letter sent to Dr. McGeer
(see insert) and his political
counterparts indicates that neither
the present provincial government,
with no election until 1987, nor the
federal government, with no election until 1988, is interested in
listening to the CFS at the moment.
No One Is Listening
The CFS claims that it can provide benefits to students by virtue
of the fact that it has access to prominent politicians both provincial-
ly and federally. We suggest otherwise. Opposite is a copy of a letter
sent to Pat McGeer, Tom Siddon,
Pauline Jewett and John Turner to
attend a conference held here
three weeks ago. Note the
speakers were asked for ten
minutes of their time to speak on
issues, we would hope, they are
already familiar with. The speakers
were also invited to send an alternate. How many came? How many
sent an alternate? Zip-0 and Nil.
The point is that the CFS carries
very little influence and our throwing an extra 200,000 dollars at them
won't change anything. The letter
sent to Dr. McGeer and his political
counterparts would indicate that
neither the provincial government,
with no election until 1978 or any
of the federal parties, with no election until 1988, are interested in
listening to the CFS at the moment.
Even if either government or any
of the opposition parties were interested in students views on
issues they would be more likely to
directly contact the A.M.S. We do
elect an External Affairs Coordinator whose budget comes out
of the fees we pay to the A.M.S. A
decision to join the CFS would
severely undermine this position.
Our Alma Mater Society here at
UBC is generally well run and efficient. It can easily look after our interests on campus and off. You can
lead a horse to H2O, but you can't
make it drink. Similarly, you can
CFS Won't Cut CUTS
talk to a government. But if it
doesn't want to listen, you're
wasting your time. Our officers
here will look after our interests to
our satisfaction or we'll vote them
out, RIGHT? Too bad we can't say
the same for the CFS.
The CFS will undoubtedly point
out that it has a full-time researcher who compiles information on
accessibility to education. That
this can not be accomplished by
the AMS is false. Two years ago
the AMS commissioned student
Board of Governors Representative
Dave Dale to compile a report on
accessibility to UBC. 6,000 dollars
was payed for it. Seems like a bit
less than 210,000 does it not?
Look Who's Leaping
Full-paying members who have
withdrawn from CFS:
* St. Mary's University
* University of Calgary Graduate
The CFS referendum has been
defeated at these campuses:
* University of Toronto
* University of Calgary Undergraduates
* University of Victoria
* Fanshawe College
University  of   Alberta  student
council has voted to hold a pull-out
referendum in February 1985.
—The largest university in Canada
is not a member.
—The third largest university in
Canada will be holding a pull-out
referendum next year.
—UBC   is   the   second   largest
university in Canada.
Let's look before we leap into
full CFS membership.
Saver Card Not Worth Joining For
One of the central issues concerning membership in the CFS
has to do with the services they
provide. In its literature, the CFS
claims that membership will bring
students a whole raft of benefits,
most notable In the form of the student saver card and the Travel
CUTS service.
With regards to the student
saver card, the question must be
asked, "W4II it really benefit the
student?" "Will I really get a
chance to use all of these discounts?" Most students would feel
oblicated to seek out the discounts in order to get their
money's worth of services. We've
all seen a wide assortment of discount cards and coupon books
making all sorts of claims, seeming almost too good to be true.
Also, it should be noted that many
businesses offer student discounts regardless of whether the
student is a member of CFS or not.
If fact, you can purchase a student
saver card from the Alma Mater
Society Box Office if you wish to
obtain some of these discounts.
Simply stated, businesses want
student patronage.
As far as Travel Cuts is concerned, it has had an office at UBC
since 1972 — long before UBC
became a prospective member of
CFS in 1981. It would be highly
unlikely that the defeat of this
referendum would bring about the
closure of this agency. If the campus travel agency did close, CFS
maintains a Travel CUTS office at
Granville Island, which still would
be within easy access of UBC
With respect to both the student
saver card and the Travel CUTS service, then, it would seem that there
are no real gains to be made by
joining CFS. These services are offered to us irrespective of whether
Do YOU want YOUR $175,000
to patch THEIR problems?!
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Because there is NO good reason
to vote 'Yes'!
we are members or not. And,
$200,000 is an awful lot of money
to lose. The question is, "do we
want to join CFS just for the student saver card and Travel CUTS
when it can be obtained without
CFS membership?". And, $200,000
is an awful lot of money to lose.
YES or NO we'll bet you'll still
get a free burger at PJ's next year. Page 4 — AMS CFS Forum Supplement November 20784
What Is A Referendum?
A referendum is a decision made
by all the members of a community. You have the obligation and
privilege of contributing your opinion, and it counts as much as
anybody else's.
By the Constitution and Bylaws
of the Alma Mater Society, ten per
cent of the day students must vote
"yes" for the referendum to pass,
and of course "yes" votes must exceed "no" votes. (Evening
students can vote, too; the quorum
requirement is for calculation purposes only). A failure to reach
quorum would result in the A.M.S.
not becoming a member of C.F.S.
regardless of the ratio of "yes" to
"no" votes.
The Graduate Student Society,
as a prospective member of C.F.S.,
is also eligible to become a
member of C.F.S., independent of
the A.M.S. Graduate students will
vote on one ballot, but that ballot
will be considered in two questions:
1) Will the A.M.S. join C.F.S.?
2) Will the G.S.S. join C.F.S.?
and it is a possible outcome of this
referendum that these two questions are answered differently. If
the G.S.S. decides to become a
member of C.F.S. and the A.M.S.
doesn't, then graduate students
will be the only U.B.C. members of
C.F.S. But, if the G.S.S. decides
not to join, but the A.M.S. as a
whole votes in favour, then
graduate students will be C.F.S.
members anyway, as A.M.S.
If both A.M.S. and G.S.S. decisions arc in favour of joining,
graduate students will not pay a
double fee.
9:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m.
Wednesday, November 21 to Friday, November 23 as follows:
Angus MacMillan
Buchanan Scarfe
CEME Sedgewick Library
Computer Science SUB
Grad Centre       Woodward Library
Law Hebb
4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.
Wednesday,   November   21   as
Totem Park Common Block
Place Vanier Common Block
Walter H. Gage Common Block
Sedgewick Library
PanHellenic House
Poll times and locations subject
to the availability of poll clerks.
Fed Not 'Democratic
At the CFS forum on Thursday,
Tami Roberts, Pacific Region Chair
of the CFS, referred to the
organization she represents as being far from perfect. Nevertheless,
she urged students to vote in favor
of joining the Federation, claiming
that we can only change it from
within. Nancy Bradshaw, AMS External Affair Co-ordinator, is also
quick to point out the CFS's flaws.
In her opinion, however, any and all
of the Federation's difficulties can
be overlooked in light of the fact
that the CFS is our only national
student voice.
What these and other supporters
of CFS are saying is that, although
the organization is not up to
scratch, we have no choice but to
join first and ask questions later.
With respect to any organizational
problems, their solution is that we
join, and then correct the problems. However, it makes infinitely
more sense to stay out of an
organization that even its members
call inadequate. Furthermore, if we
did take the advice of Tami
Roberts, Nancy Bradshaw,
Margaret Copping, James Hollis,
and Lisa Hebert, can we really expect that UBC can effect any mean
ingful change?
The answer is, probably not. According to CFS voting rules, each
student association member has
only one vote. The voice of UBC,
then, can only be as strong and effective as that of small colleges
and institutions. For example, the
Emily Carr College of Art and
Design has 480 students. The
University of British Columbia has
27,000 students. How does CFS
justify that UBC can only have one
vote if we decide to join? Can UBC
represent all the interest of its
students to the same degree of effectiveness as compared to that of
Emily Carr? Is this a truly
democratic organization? The
'Vote No' Committee feels that only by having proportional representation can CFS become a more effective and respected student
voice. This principle is widely
recognized as a fundamental element of any democratic organization — as exemplified by the
Parliament of Canada, and by our
own Alma Mater Society Student
Council — and for a good reason.
The fact that UBC has more
students means that this university has a greater stake in the issues;
it also means that there are more
opinions that need a voice.
Tami Roberts and Nancy Bradshaw are right about one thing —
the choice is simple. Organizational weaknesses and unfair
representation make voting 'NO'
the only rational choice.
With CFS
Working within the Federation,
students have had many successes.
In the area of student
assistance, work of the
Federation's predecessor
organization established the
original program. Later, in 1972, the
work of students in B.C. saw the
start of the B.C. Student
Assistance Program.
In 1982, the concerted efforts of
Federation members in B.C. (including UBC) resulted in an additional $8.7 million being added to
the student aid budget when a
short-fall threatened to leave many
students stranded without
In 1983, work within the Federation nationally saw the federal
government institute a loan program for part-time students, and
almost double the amount of student loan available.
As for post-secondary financing,
the_Federation lobbied the Federal
government to cancel plans for
massive cutbacks in 1981. Currently, the Federation is working with
the Canadian Association of
University Teachers (CAUT) and
other allies both provincially and
federally to propose reasonable
alternatives to the current situation.
The Federation also makes
representations on a variety of
topics: from the Federal government MacDonald Commission on
the economy, to the provincial
government's Commission on the
economy, to the provincial government's Commission on Taxation.
The Federation also serves as a
way for students to work with other
groups. An example of this is the
Defend Education Services Coalition (DESC), which includes faculty
groups, taching assistants, public
school teachers, support staff, and
students (via the Federation).
DESC has been responsible for
much of the publicity done around
educational issues.
Students across Canada have
the same basic interests — a quality education system, and a decent
standard of living. Through the
Canadian Federation of Students,
we can work more effectively to
reach those goals.
Co-operatively Made Decisions Best
From page 2
vote, and it is at these meetings
that all major decisions are made.
This ensures that actions are
decided on by the people who will
•be carrying them out, and that all
policy is representative of
students, not of a few leaders.
Interim decision-making is done
by executive committees. The provincial executive committee is
made up of one representative
from each campus, along with an
elected chairperson, treasurer, and
a representative to the national executive. (Note that the past
chairperson came from UBC).
The national executive is made
up of one representative from each
province, and of several at-large officers.
delegates and local representatives are responsible to students
on campus, at-large executive
members are responsible to the
local representatives and
If any decisions are being made
that UBC students feel are contrary
to their interests, it is the responsibility of the UBC delegates to
general meetings to propose alternatives and to argue against
unrepresentative decisions.
The Federation is a co-operative
of students. It is not in the best interest of the members if there is
strong disagreement over decisions, so usually the best compromise is found when there is
disagreement over an issue. Tuesday, November 20, 1984
Page 5
Natives trek in protest
OTTAWA (CUP) — Some 100
native people have been walking
across Canada since May in protest
of the Canadian Constitution,
which they say amounts to genocide
of native people.
The action — dubbed the Red
People's Spiritual and Educational
Long Walk — "is a spiritual walk,
not a protest, to object to the corporate constitution," said participant John Graham.
During the 18 month trek, the
walkers have stayed in over 60 communities, depending on other native
people for food, shelter and information.
"Through the constitution
they're trying to terminate all hunting and land rights, make taxpayers out of us by 1987," said
Graham and Jay Mason, another
walker, said they fear the already
threatened Indian way of life will be
annihilated under the terms of the
new constitution.
"What they're trying to do is
remove us from our land base,"
said Mason.
Mason, a Mohawk, said he is
concerned about erosion of Indian
culture and the forced integration
of natives into white culture.
He said he is angry native
children are being taught
Christopher Columbus discovered
America and that many natives are
being forced to move into
metropolitan cities to earn a living.
The native trekkers have been
joined by people from Norway, El
Salvador, Chile and Ecuador, and
supporters in Ireland staged a
24-hour fast in solidarity with the
More than 200 natives and their
supporters gathered on Parliament
Hill Oct. 12 at a rally to celebrate
International Day of Solidarity with
the   indigenous   Peoples   of   the
Although several media representatives were present, the event got
almost no coverage, said Mason.
"The same people who are making the corporate constitution are
the ones who own the media," he
The walkers plan to continue
their march until they reach Six Nations reserve, which is their spiritual
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Tuesday, November 20,1984
Bible study, noon, Buchanan D202.
Colloquium on ChtkJrens Perception of Nuclear
Threat, 7:30 p.m., lecture hall A,  School of
Social Work, Graham house.
Aerobics class, 4.30-5:30 p.m., SUB 212.
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till Nov. 30, Partyroom/Ballroom/SUB 207-209.
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Regional must attend staff meeting, noon, SUB
Classics lecture — "The Archaeology of
Greece", by professor Anthony Snodgrass, chair
of Classical Archaeology, Cambridge University,
12:30 p.m., Lasserre building, room 105.
Time out, newcomers welcome to meet in SUB
237a, 4:30-6:30 p.m.. Gallery lounge.
Rehearsal clinic with Keith Ditto, 1:30-4:30 p.m.,
SUB 125.
Free salami lunch, noon, Hillel house. Torah portion   of  the  week,   study   group,   noon,   Hillel
Literature table and club information, 10:30-2
p.m., SUB concourse.
Registration, noon, SUB 216e.
Travel talk, China: On your Own or With a Tour
— a film and slide presentation by Russell Jennings of Western Treks, noon, SUB 205.
Bake sale, fundraising event for OXFAM, Ethiopian drought relief, 12-2:30 p.m., Instructional
Resource centre, SUB and McMillan buildings.
"Rural Development in Bangladesh" — a film
and presentation by Gilles Latour, director of
Overseas programs of the USC, 7:30 p.m., International house, UBC.
Forum: Speaker, Hardial Bains, noon, Buch.
Two films; Size Ten and Killing Us Softly, which
deal with women's body image and advertising,
noon, SUB 215.
A talk by Vancouver Shaliach Ami Ruzanski,
"Kibbutz — the experiment which did not fail",
noon, Hillel house.
Conversation meeting, 1:30, International house.
Very important planning meeting, noon,
Buchanan D352.
General meeting, noon, Hennings 302.
Karen Jamieson Dance Co. — noon hour performance, free, noon, SUB auditorium.
General meeting, open to all members and interested people, 12:30 p.m. to 1:30 p.m., room
358, Brock extension.
Lecture on sexual assault — women only, 12:30,
Women students lounge. Brock hall.
Presenting, Men of Ideas, every Thursday at
noon, Buch B214.
Filming a mob scene for their SCI-FI movie:
Regeneration, noon, outside SUB by the pool,
cash prizes awarded.
Meeting, noon, St. Marks, Newman club room.
Discussion: Christianity and the human sciences,
noon, Scarfe 204.
Film,   "Acid  Rain   —   Requiem  of  Recovery",
noon. Geography building, room 212.
Conversation   meeting,    noon.    International
Registration, noon, SUB 2l6e.
Social gathering, 3:30 p.m.. International house.
Canada West league match vs conference
leading Alberta Golden Bears, 7:30 p.m.,
Thunderbird arena.
Women's  Canada West  tournament,   UBC vs
Victoria, 8 p.m., War Memorial gym.
Hear newly elected Van East
MLA Bob Williams speak Friday at
noon in Buchanan Penthouse.
Williams, the former resources
minister in the Barrett government,
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OTTAWA (CUP) — More students
than ever are crowding into
Canada's post-secondary institutions as they flee a student
unemployment rate of nearly 15 per
Early estimates indicate full-time
university enrolment will reach
465,000 this year, an increase of
about 2.4 per cent over last year.
Researchers said another 300,000
full-time students will attend community colleges and 300,000 will
study at universities part-time.
A preliminary phone survey of
university enrolment conducted by
the Association of Universities and
Colleges of Canada has revealed
that greater numbers of students
who already have some post-
secondary education are returning
to school.
The numbers of first year university students, mostly responsible for
the dramatic enrolment increases
noted in the past two years, have
dropped substantially in every province except Newfoundland and
Prince Edward Island.
Both Canadian Federation of
Students and Statistics Canada
researchers said the upsurge in
returning student enrolment is likely due to the impact of a long,
drawn-out recession and this summer's especially bleak job market
for young people.
"People are perceiving that there
are benefits to post-secondary
education and they will be increasingly marginalized if they don't
have any," said CFS researcher
Jean Wright. "They know they'll
probably be without a job and
wouldn't be foregoing any wages by
going to school."
Wright said educated people in
today's economic climate are more
likely to find work. According to
Statistics Canada, the September
unemployment rate for those between the ages of 20 and 24 with a
university degree was 12.6 per cent,
compared with 13.8 per cent for
those with only some post-
secondary education. While high
school students and graduates suffered a 17.7 per cent rate, the worst
prospects faced those with only up
to eight years of schooling — a 25.3
per cent unemployment rate.
Returning students weathered an
average summer unemployment
rate of about 15 per cent. The
numbers of unemployed returning
students peaked in July, with
180,000 without a job. Wright said
she is surprised so many managed
to scrape up enough money to go to
school, at a time when they also
face spiralling tuition fees, rising
textbook costs and increasing rents.
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Hockeyf Birds find new emotional energy
The men's varsity hockey club
has found new energy of the emotional kind.
The 'Birds split their series with
the Dinosaurs in Calgary last
weekend, a result which could prove fatal to either team when the
play-offs arrive.
Saturday, UBC scored what
would have been the tying goal just
as the final buzzer sounded. The
disallowed tally gave the 'Dinos a
"Unfortunately, the timekeeper
had a quick hand," said head coach
Fred Masuch about Saturday's contest. "But, we didn't deserve to be
in (the game)."
The Dinos led 4-0 at one point
but the 'Birds quickly rebounded.
Craig Angus, Paul Achtem, Daryl
Coldwell, and Renzo Berra notched
goals for the 'Birds.
Despite the loss, Masuch was
glad to see his team come back from
such a hefty deficit.
the single victory over Calgary, the
'Birds swept a pair from the
Lethbridge Pronghorns. Consequently, the 'Birds find themselves
in the upper echelons of the Canada
West league, only six points behind
the first-place Alberta Golden
Although  Masuch  was  pleased
with his team's regenerated energy,
he left no doubt that the club's
goaltenders have some work to do.
Newcomer Randy Beers was in goal
for the victory Friday and then
replaced Brian Bowen after the first
period Saturday.
"Average — and that's
generous," was the way Masuch, a
former netminder with the 'Birds,
described the duo's play.
UBC will need to make some cut
backs in the goals against department this weekend. The Golden
Bears who boast the highest scoring
team in the league visit Thunderbird
arena. The Bears have scored an
average of 6.40 goals per game
while giving up an average of only
The games take place this Friday
(broadcast live on C1TR FM 102)
and Saturday at 7:30 p.m.
Volleyball nets mixed results
5-4 victory, their first over UBC this
season. Friday, the 'Birds prevailed
The UBC swimming and diving
team completed a highly successful
road trip to Washington last
weekend, beating Central
Washington University and Pacific
Lutheran University in successive
dual meets.
Friday, the women's team overwhelmed the CWU 94-19, placing
first and second in all three events.
Double winners were Fiona Wad-
dell in the 1,000 yd and 500 yd
freestyle, Ronda Thomasson in the
100 yd butterfly and 200 yd
freestyle, Anne Martin in the 50 yd
and 100 yd freestyle and Nancy
Bonham in the one and three m diving.
The men's team won over CWU
in a close competition 58-54. Top
performers for the T-birds were Ian
McMillan, who won the 100 yd
breaststroke and 100 yd butterfly,
Dave Young who won the 1,000 yd
and 500 yd freestyles, and Steve
Church, who won the one and three
m diving events.
The next day, the Thunderbirds
continued their winning ways, with
the women beating the PLU team
91-21 and the men also defeating
their counterparts 81-31.
* *       *
Washington proved to be a
woesome state for the men's basketball team last weekend.
Saturday, Seattle Pacific University lambasted the 'Birds 107-70.
The team had opened the weekend
road trip with a 74-61 loss to St.
Martin's University at Lacey the
night before.
Leading scorer Ken Klassen was
absent for both games in an effort
to rehabilitate his ankle which
underwent surgery in the summer.
Fourth year guard Pat West took an
unexpected hiatus Saturday after
suffering a charley horse the night
* *       *
So much for high expectations.
After starting the season with a
second place finish in the Huskiette
tournament and an improved
outlook a week ago, the women's
basketball team opened their home
season with a convincing loss.
University of Winnipeg
Weswomen blasted the 'Birds 78-37
in an exhibition contest at War
Memorial gym.
Beth Cochrane paced the
Manitobans with 21 points and 13
rebounds while Delia Douglas and
Natalie Johnson managed a paltry
eight points to lead the 'Birds.
The 'Birds, hopeful for a play-off
berth for the first time in several
years, were soundly beaten by the
Weswomen, competitors in the
Great Plains Conference.
This weekend, the Thunderbirds
host the Women's Canada West
Classic at War Memorial gym.
"We added some life back to our
game," said Masuch. Friday, Bill
Holowaty and Graham Kerr each
netted a pair of goals while recording assists on a pair of others. Rick
Amann and Bobby Hull Jr. scored
the other UBC markers. Three of
those goals came while the 'Birds
were shorthanded.
The 'Birds have not played at
UBC since they opened their season
with a two game sweep of the
Dinosaurs back in September.
"I'm glad we played on the
road," said Masuch. In addition to
UBC's women's and men's
volleyball teams faced action
against the University of Alberta
and the University of Saskatchewan
last weekend during regular season
Canada West action with mixed
The UBC women's team needed
only 45 minutes to dispose of the
University of Alberta Pandas in
three straight games Friday.
The T-Birds scored 15-4, 15-5
and 15-6 victories. Alana Kurz
earned most valuable player
honours for UBC. She was credited
with eight kills and five stuff
But in Saskatoon, the UBC
women   were   defeated   by   the
Huskiettes, last year's Canada West
champions. The Huskiettes recorded a tight 3-1 win over the visiting
'Birds after an hour and a half.
UBC Coach Petr Neveklovsky said
inadequate blocking against the
strong offence was a factor but added the team played well.
Friday evening the men played a
close but losing game with the
Golden Bears in Edmonton. After a
nervous first game, the UBC squad
settled down to register close scores
of 14-16, 15-12, and 13-5 in a three
games to one losing cause. UBC's
Shane Bellman was named
"player" of the match.
Saturday night in Saskatoon the
Huskies proved to be too much for
the Thunderbirds. In what was probably their best playing performance to date, UBC succumbed
three games to none to their more
experienced opponents. UBC's
Greg Solecki turned in a fine attacking performance on both nights
with nine and seven kills respectively-
Coach Dale Ohman said he was
pleased with his team's efforts. He,
expects to implement some system
changes before this weekend's matches against Lethbridge and
Calgary to produce some winning
Both UBC teams are on the road
to Lethbridge and Calgary this
weekend to close out the 1984 portion of the Canada West schedule.
CFS has a way to help you
cut travel costs and earn
valuable work experience in
Britain, Ireland, Belgium or
New Zealand. You owe it to
yourself to find out about:
Mail completed coupon to:
Student Union Building
University of British Columbia
604 224-2344
Granville Island   1516 Duranleau St
604 687-6033
The travel company of CFS
Tomorrow — Wednesday
12:30 p.m.
Friday, November 23, 7:30 p.m.
Saturday, November 24, 7:30 p.m.
Friday Night — Special Low-Priced Carbohydrate
Diet at Winter Sports Centre Lounge —
$1.49 Night from 6:00 p.m.
Prizes Drawn at 7:15 p.m.
Saturday Night — UBC Banner Night
Win cash prizes for best banner and
best cheering support
for info
UBC Students Free with AMS Card
We're pleased to announce the opening of our
new branch at UBC. Now you can take advantage
of the wide range of financial sen ices TCI* offers
without even leaving campus.
Savings and chequing accounts, registered
plans, insurance, two Automatic Teller Machines
and many more services are now right on vour
The emphasis is on quick and easy at student
loan time too. That's why TCI' will process and
advance government student loans right on campus. In fact, at TCU, we've had a lot of good ideas
to make your life on campus a whole lot easier.
Drop into our new branch in the Student Union
Building and ask for more details and find out
how you can benefit, starting today. We're open
Monday-Thursday fO a.m.-4 p.m. and Fridav 10
a.m.-6 p.m.
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