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The Ubyssey Nov 14, 1963

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SUB—a matter of
Frosh—on council
or off?
-marks and discipline.
—don hume photo
WHEN RAIN  STOPS waitresses emerge from  confines of
Brock Hall to retrieve dishes, cutlery.    Above, Yoka Faber
carts  back  loaded tray.     Waitresses won't go outside in
rain,   leaving  students   without  eating   utensils   until  sun7
shines.    (See story. Page 2.)
Imported lawyer
chairs SUB debate
Former council head
to  handle  meeting
Student council has imported a downtown lawyer to chair
the controversial student union building discussion at today's
general meeting.
Don Jabour, a former AMS president, will handle the
SUB debate, expected to take up most of the meeting.
to charge
Charges will be laid against
students  identified   as   having
taken part in the Homecoming
Paul Fraser, discipline committee chairman, said he could
not reveal the names of persons to be charged.
"I think it's only fair to the
individuals that they should be
informed first," he said.
Fraser and the discipline
committee Wednesday heard
evidence against students who
participated in the Oct. 26
Homecoming football game
Twelve engineers were injured and a $120 set of goal
posts torn down after the
The engineers, armed with
pictures from The Ubyssey and
photos taken by an engineering
photographer, sought to have
ten persons charged in connection with the incident.
"But many of the pictures
didn't really prove anything,"
said Fraser. "So action will
have to be taken against those
identified in the pictures and
from   eyewitneses."
He said fines could be assessed    against    students    found
guilty  in  student court  of an
(Continued   on   Page  2)
was brought in because student chairman Malcolm Scott, who would otherwise act as chairman, wishes to
speak in favor of SUB, as do
the other members of the AMS
The meeting, which starts at
12:30 in the Armory, will also
discuss several minor constitutional revisions dealing with
eligibility and student discipline.
It is expected that the usual
motion to have Frosh removed
from the student council will
be put forth as well.
The big issue, however, is
SUB — a $3.8 million building
that will cost the students $2.9
million, plus as much as another $2.9 million in interest.
The general meeting will discuss the issues — site, facilities, and finances — and will
likely make a show of hands
on a motion to approve the
building  in principle.
The vote will be a crucial
indication of whether or not
the building will go up, but it
will not be a final decision.
Whether or not SUB sinks or
swims will be decided in a
double referendum to be held
Nov. 22, in which two-thirds
of the students voting must approve the building, and the
method of financing.
Quorum required is 1,472
students, 10 per cent of this
year's enrolment. (Twenty per
cent is required for the referendum.)
The   first   referendum   asks
approval,   of   the   building    as
(Continued   on  Page  2)
. . . wants to talk
Arts council
wants ban
on art fund
A motion calling for abolition of the $1,500 Brock Art
fund will be presented to the
AMS general meeting today.
The motion calls for using
the space in the Brock Link for
a display of student paintings.
Arts Undergraduate Society
executive approved the motion
The motion was prompted by
recent criticism of "Sun", a
controversial painting bought
for the Brock art collection.
Arts council also decided to
invite the committee responsible for buying the painting to
discuss their decision to buy it,
and to explain the policies of
the committee.
Arts president Mike Coleman said a student painting
will be hung in Brock link today.
See Page 3 Page 2
Thursday, November  14,  1963
. . . accident fund
Stake your
claim, says
The AMS accident fund is
an unknown quantity.
But every student contributes 20 cents to it.
According to Kyle Mitchell,
AMS assistant treasurer, every
student may claim from the
He said the students may
claim for expenses incurred by
accident during the regular
university session.
"Athletes collect most of
the benefits but it should be
pointed out that any student
may claim," he said.
Applications should be made
to the AMS secretary in Brock.
The student must then submit receipts for the medical
, bills to the AMS accountant
and sign the application form
signifying that this is the final
Students are urged to contact the University Health
Service for treatment, and if
this is not possible, at least
inform the Health Service of
the accident, Mitchell  said.
Girls protest
bachelor club
(CUP)—Women co-eds here
are banding together to fight
a chain of campus bachelor
Head of the group, Use
Zweig, 21, says in another ten
years there won't be a college
man  available  for  marriage.
A dozen other women have
joined her so far.
They asked the bachelor
club cat the University of Innsbruck what was wrong with
The answer: "What a man
enjoys is to be pampered,
fussed over and waited on.
"So he marries and forever
after .he must pamper her, fuss
over her and wait, wait,
Bring your manuscripts, stories,
articles, books, songs, poems.
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New York, Hollywood sales contacts. 1065 E. 17th Ave. TR 6-
4509 West 11th Avenue
Rev. Arthur J. Hadley, B.A., B.D.
9:4S a.m. Young- People's Class
11:00 a.m. "Operation Andrew"
7:30 p-m. "A Miracle for Today"
8:45 p.m. Young- People's
Two-handed  problem
in cutlery cache
What do you do with pie and no fork?
Or soup and no spoon?
You wait until the rain
That's when the waitresses
from the Brock cafeteria can
run over to the club rooms behind Brock and retrieve their
lost cutlery.
Mrs. Janet Marsh, cafeteria
dietitian, explained that students with noon meetings
carry the dishes to the club-
"If the students would only
bring the dishes back again,
we would have no problem,"
said Mrs. Marsh.
But the students don't —
and the waitresses don't collect
them on rainy days.
"I wouldn't ask anyone to go
outside without an umbrella,
and the girls can't carry both
umbrellas and trays," said Mrs.
On days when the dishes run
low, more are brought up from
the storeroom.
One irate student waited 15
minutes Wednesday without a
fork for his pie and then
charged off into the Brock
kitchen demanding a  fork.
He was pacified by Mrs.
Marsh and later given a fork.
(Continued from Page 1)
planned, financed by a $10 fee
over 30 years.
The second asks a $5 increase in the AMS fee (to $29)
so that $15 per student goes to
SUB, thereby paying off the
building in 15 years.
Interest charges over 30
years are $2.9 million; but by
the 15-year method, interest
amounts to only $1.4 million.
SUB is the largest project
ever undertaken by UBC students.
"For that reason," Scott said
Wednesday, "We are making
sure the decision is in referendum, where a 20 per cent quorum and two-thirds majority is
(Continued from Page 1)
act unbecoming a university
Fines range from $5 to $25.
The court could also recommend expulsion from the university and removal of all AMS
If expulsion is recommended
faculty council will have to
take the action as the AMS
has no jurisdiction in the matter.
At the Wednesday hearing
engineer Art Stevenson accused a student of trying to
strangle him during the fracas.
And engineer Norm Dugan
said his glasses were broken
when another student punched
him in the  face.
Engineers also accused Kappa Sigma fraternity of sawing
the goal post half way through
before the game.
But Fraser said the fraternity would not be charged as it
is outside the jurisdiction of
the AMS.
"I have turned the matter
over to the Inter-Fraternity
Council and they may take
some action themselves," said
Fraser said there is no student court yet but after tomorrow's general meeting
there most probably will be
"There was a mixup last year
when it came time to constitute it," he said.
The student court usually
consists of five judges; the
chief justice must be a law
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Phone  CA  4-3504.
The September 28, 1963 edition of The Toronto Daily
Star carried a half page article titled, "Tongues: Anarchy
or a Sea of Liquid Love?" with the sub-caption "Here
is a look at this 'new Pentecost' which has already
swept across the U.S. and is now blazing forth in Canada."
The article sets forth the nature and proportions of
the "sweep" in the traditional churches, and cites examples of those who claim to have personally experienced
the new Pentacost. Included in this list are ministers
from the traditional churches in Canada, and the U.S.,
college professors, a brain surgeon, a University of
California atomic scientist and "at least 20 students at
prestigious Yale Divinity School."
Interest in this phenomenon is wide spread. There at the
UBC, the Associated Full Gospel Students are sponsoring two services, November 19th and 20th, at noon in
Bu. 212, at which The Reverend John Watts will speak
on "The Demands of Discipleship," and "The Pentecostal Experience." Everyone is welcome.
Arts body votes down
$5 increase, okays SUB
Arts council has voted against the principle of raising
AMS fees by $5 to pay for the new Student Union Building, but they want the SUB.
Council Wednesday passed the motion by a 16-4 vote.
"While Arts council does not reject in principle the
Student Union Building, it does reject in principle the idea
of raising fees $5 per student for the SUB," the motion
The move will not bind Arts students or Arts president
Mike Coleman in the referendum vote Nov. 22.
The $5 fee raise would cut the 30-year payment period
to 15 years and reduce interest charges from $2.9 million
to $1.4 million on the money borrowed.
On and off campus, DON PARKER TRADS fill
the bill. Slim and Trim - perfectly tailored for
the well-dressed young man. Look for the
authentic "TRAD" hang tag. Trads available
in fine worsteds and long-wearing blends.
Popularly priced at your favorite man's shop.
If your young man's shop does not stock DON PARKER SLACKS, write to:
10355 ■ 105 Street, EDMONTON, Alberta rhursday, November 14, 1963
Last week I mounted my
dauntless steed Indignation,
took verbal lance to hand and
proceeded to have a tilt at a
very real  windmill.
A $1,500 windmill. That
atrocity presently marring a
nice white wall in the Brock
link—a painting <sic) entitled
"Sun"  (retch).
Well, friends, we bounced,
Indignation and I. Right off
the overwhelming gelatinous
mass of your apathy.
Indignation bent his nose.
I lost my best second-hand
lance and became quite willing to forget the whole damn'
issue and look for another
outrageous windmill upon
which I might vent my angry-
young-c olumnist spleen.
(Have spleen, will vent?)
But Indignation won't let
me. Nothing daunted, the
miserable little trouble-maker
is off and lurching on another
The spavined old fool was
spurred to renew the joust
by two letters about "Sun"
printed in our redoubtable
student newspaper, The Ubyssey.
A self-appointed aristocrat,
using the pseudonym 'Guy,'
said such paintings ('art' he
called it) are created by the
elite for the elite's appreciation.
•    •    •
The other writer, one Mr.
Whittaker, pointed out that
criticisms of "Sun" were
made on materialistic rather
than aesthetic grounds.
He further suggested boorish materialistic critics of
"Sun" (myself and the indomitable Jimmie Ward) spend
$1,500 on a course entitled
"l'art pour soi."
To the haughty 'Guy,' I say
"yea." Fly at 'er buddy—but
spend your own damned
elite-ic cash on your elite art
for youse elites.
Don't spend our dirty proletarian money to indulge
your superior appreciation of
things artistic.
Mr. Whittaker, you also
have my agreement. (Don't
trample him, Indignation, old
My criticism of "Sun" was
based on materialistic
grounds. Materialistic in that
I object to a committee spending my money (and that of
^ome 14,000 others) on an object  of  questionable  worth.
But I fear, Mr. W., I shan't
be able to take a course in
l'art etc.
I'm too busy trying to keep
enough cash around to get
through this great hamburger
machine of a university and
come out with a degree useful in conning a pay cheque
from some poor sap in the
outside world—far, far away
from Ivory Womb-land.
And what do you think
about "Sun" and your $1,500?
Yes, you, sitting here eating
your lunch and/or thinking
beautiful UBC-student-
If you like "Sun," say so.
If not, object—throw eggs
at it, tell your student leaders, throw eggs at them.
Do something, for your
own sake.
Indignation, I think we bounced
again.    Let's   go   home.
Page 3
Says Webster
'Bennett's Socred
cow a bum steer'
The Socred government is giving B.C. a bum steer.
It costs too much to die, legal
.  . baits Socreds
Suns okay
says TV's
money man
Television actor Marvin
Miller thinks the controversial
painting "Sun" is okay.
Miller played Michael Anthony in the TV show The Millionaire and has been throwing money around in Vancouver as part of a radio promotion  stunt.
"You are buying the experience of a painter, not just the
painting itself," he said.
"Don't .judge harshly, in
fact, don't judge at all," Miller
told the  students.
"People first thought that
Van Gogh's painting of the sun
was ridiculous befcaupe the
sun had rings around it."
"Is this the painting?" he
asked the crowd. "I like it; the
colors are great."
The students jeered.
Miller has recorded descriptions of paintings for several
U.S. museums along with another actor, Vincent Price.
Studying curbed
GENEVA (CUP) — Nearly
1,000 students were rejected
last month by the Geneva University, which is curbing
studying there.
aid is too hard to obtain and
rehabilitation facilities for
neurotics are inadequate.
Controversial radio broadcaster Jack Webster lashed out
Wednesday at the Socreds in
"These things are serious
scars in our communities, that
the newspapers don't print,"
said Webster.
• *    •
He described the case of a
10-year old girl from a broken
home, who was finally placed
in Woodlands School for the
mentally retarded because of
lack of government facilities to
handle her.
He talked about the case of
a deaf-mute who appeared in
the B.C. Court of Appeal without legal help.
"I never thought I would
see this happen in Canada," he
"The B.C. Attorney General
and the Law Society both refused this man legal aid.
"It was only through the intervention of the John Howard
Society that he got out of a
second three-year jail term.
"If a man has a criminal record in the past five years he
can't get legal aid and often
he is the man who needs it
• •    •
In the cost of dying, Webster
said anyone with a terminal
illness is forced to bankrupt
himself before he dies.
"If you are poor, the welfare
looks after you, and if you are
rich you can afford it, but for
the others look out.
"They are turned out of
hospitals to die in nursing
homes costing from $150-$800
per month."
Meanwhile a private ward
pavilion at the Vancouver General Hospital has been unused
for two years he  said.
Webster   said  the   only  ans-
csa NEWS
Despite our remarks last
week regarding the
disheartening Madison-
Avenuewise Christmas-
ization of the late Fall, we
take this opportunity for
the timely announcement
of the forthcoming
Children's   Chrislwas
Party. This happy event is
planned by your executive
for the enjoyment of the
children of Graduate
Students. The date is
Saturday, December 21st,
in the afternoon. Each
group of children must be
accompanied by an adult.
Anyone willing to assist
in arranging the party
should contact the Office.
Your help woul dbe
B.C.'s highest peak, Mt.
Waddinglon wil lbe the
subject of a talk by Byron
Olson in the Lower Lounge
this Sunday, the 17th, at
8 p.m. Byron took part
in this first all-Canadian
ascent of tre mountain,
and will illustrate his      .
discussion with fascinating
slides portraying the
scenic beauty of the area.
The programme for the
remaining Sunday nights
this term has not yet
been finalized. It is hoped,
however, that we shall be
able to present further
talks and concerts of the
caliber which have to
date brought an encouraging number of members
to the Center on Sunday
evenings. If you are
not doing anything'vitally
important, come along and
be a GSC Sunday
This year the GSA is
once again sponsoring a
bowlinq league. Lanes
will be reserved  at the
Gymnasium as soon as
we  know our requirements.. Let's have the
names of those interested
at the Office as soon as
possible. Wives or
girl-friends are invited
to participate.
For the mentally energetic, a Chess Tournament
will provide many hours
of gruelling entertainment for those registering
with Mrs. Chapman
before  November  25th.
A prize will be awarded
to the winner.
wer was a medicare scheme
from the cradle to the grave,
paid by the state.
Webster commented on a
number of other subjects,
mostly Social Credit government activities.
The Peace River scheme,
The P.G.E. and the government's financial juggling all
came under fire.
"I always like to come out
and shout at you," he said,
"because you don't seem to
shout back much."
Left is only
a little left
NEW YORK (Staff) —
When students shift their
political views around here,
they are careful not to shift
them too far.
Columbia University's student newspaper Spectator
carried a headline to the effect that campus political
views had shifted toward
the left.
The story didn't make it
clear exactly how far left
but it did mention that a
majority of students were
becoming more liberal.
That's left?
New Jewish union
three-building student union
complex has been opened at
the Hebrew University here.
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Nothing is so useless as a general maxim.
—Thomas Babington. Lord Macaulaj
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the university
year by the Alma Mater Society, University of B.C. Editorial opinions
expressed are those of the editor and not necessarily those of the AMS
or the University. Editorial office, CA 4-3916. Advertising office, OA
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excellence, news photography, editorial writing
Back SUB
The AMS is asking for the students' support today
for the biggest project they've ever  undertaken — the
student union building.
We think students should give their support to SUB
—today at the general meeting, and next Friday in the
We are convinced, as most students are, that Brock
is no longer able to serve the functions it is supposed to.
We are convinced, also, that Brock is not, and never
was, a student union building. It serves at most 20 per
cent of the students, and does that poorly.
There is a definite need for a social and cultural
student centre at UBC—and we are convinced that the
proposal that will be outlined to you today is the answer.'
There are presently no facilities which cater to commuter students—and 90 per cent of UBC students live off
You can't buy a magazine in Brock—you've got to
wander over to the bookstore or the Village, if you've got
time between classes.
You can't get a cup of coffee after 5, nor a lunch after
about 1:30 (they're always "sold out"); you can't read a
book, listen to records, watch a movie, lie down on a cot
or have a shower, or any of countless other things we
think students should be able to do in a union building.
We support SUB because we are convinced it will
fulfill these functions, and provide vital conveniences in
one central, easily accessible location.
We also support the fee-raise referendum. By enabling the building to be paid off in 15 years, this will
save future students $1.5 million in interest, and allow
them to carry on with the second and third stages of the
With regard to finances, students must also keep in
mind the likelihood of extra revenue from the federal
government's winter works' scheme, the Canada Council,
tihe Central Mortgage and Housing Corporation, and
various private foundations.
None of these people can be asked for commitments
until they know whether or not the students want the
building. That's your job today, and in next Friday's
These outside donations should easily cover half the
cost of the SUB—the winter arena got $75,000 from winter
works, and $100,000 from the Molson Foundation alone.
Several other things should also be remembered when
you vote today and Friday.
Two and a half years ago, UBC students endorsed,
witih an overwhelming 80 per cent in favor, a smaller
version of SUB.
Since then, planners have found that a larger building—and more money—would be required for a building
which could adequately serve a campus of 17,000 students.
Their recommendations are those which will be put
before you today.
Something else: The SUB plan and financing is backed
100 per cent by the 26 student councillors, the people you
voted into office to act on your behalf.
SUB has been endorsed overwhelmingly by the University Clubs' Committee, which is composed of representatives of all clubs on campus. These people represent
the major interest groups.   And they're for SUB.
Every undergraduate society, at general meetings
called for the purpose, has backed SUB. You're a member of one of those societies.
You should remember that the facilities and plans
are based entirely on a scientific questionnaire sample of
average students—not Brock-types or clubsters or pubsters. What the average student asked for is the basis
of SUB.
Remember these things at today's meeting. Think
about the things SUB could do for you.
We are sure that if you've considered all the facts,
and thought about your interests, that you will support
Say "Yes" at the general meting today, and on the
referendums.   And smile.
Miss Plunlcett, I don't care if you ARE in phyz ed . . . that
does not give you licence to refer to me as "Hey, Buddy!"
Library's the biggest
social club on campus
In yesterday's edition we
all read a page of garbage
telling us why the SUB
should not be built.
One of the more interesting
things there, to me at least,
was the statement that we
have no place to study on
I wonder why that is?
Could it possibly be because the library, the proper
place to study, has turned
into the biggest social club on
campus? Could it possibly be
because students use the library as, the one place they
can meet during the evening,
get in a bit of study and
quite  a  bit   of "socializing?"
In short, is it not possible
that we do have a SUB of
sorts already? It's the library.
•    •    •
Anyone who walks through
the place one or two nights
in a row gets quite a shock.
The     main    reading    rooms
sound like beehives.
"Cripes she's stacked."
"He's cool-looking, wonder
if he's married."
"Look at the boobs on that
Even the stacks are now
out for studying. The other
day I went into the stacks
for the first time in two years.
I remembered the area as a
dingy, quiet, intellectual
Now it looks and sounds
more like Union Station in
High heels clack, men guffaw, and whistle and girls
Don't get me wrong. I'm all
in favor of these activities.
But in the proper place at
the proper time. Like in the
proposed student union building.
Who says there's going to
be no place in the building
to study? I'm quite certain
that if students profess an in
terest in a study hall, one of
the lounges or meeting rooms
will be set aside.
In short, let's get the SUB
up and hope that many of the
"social studiers" will leave
the library to the people who
want to use it for the purpose
it was intended.
The type who promoted
the page of dissent says we'll
look stupid building a SUB
when the university is so
hard up for funds.
At least part of this point
is valid with the general public, being what it is, we could
never hope to get any tax
money for what the downtown plumbing association
might call "a $4 million playpen."
Most of us realize the SUB
is not that at all, but also
realize the futility of trying
to convince downtowners of
that. This is one of the reasons the building should be
erected entirely with student
It is a necessary building,
necessary enough for us to
pay for it.
Club space. The abysmal
ignorance of the dissenters
shows up here. We are unique, they would have us believe.
•    •    •
At the University of Washington, there are 265 registered student clubs and interest groups. They have 16
club rooms plus meeting
rooms, etc. These rooms are
being cut to eight at the request of the clubs.
There are only eight club
rooms left in Brock Hall. The
rest are committee rooms, Totem, etc. The huts at the back
of Brock will be gone in two
I will agree with one point
the dissenters make. It costs
too damned much to borrow
Seedy moppet
Editor. The Ubyssey:
Fight it as we may, our
smiles are wearing thin. That
cute little guy, the ubiquitous
Jim Ward, is getting less cute
every day. It's not that Jim
as bad or has some tragic
flaw; he's just not very
Maybe if we made Big Jim
president now (God knows
that chubby Scott has shot
his wad) instead of next September, he would put an end
to his publicity campaign.
If we have to listen to that
extrovert, with his tweedy
jacket and seedy moppet, for
the remainder of the academic year, many of us will be
driven to SFA. Then on
whose behalf would that self-
styled Quixote tilt at windmills?
For my own part, I would
rather have opponents than
advocates like intrepid (as in
insipid) Boss Jim; so let's kick
him further upstairs in Brock
heaven, where he obviously
wants to go, with the rest of
the emasculated nits on council.
Education IV
Editor. The Ubyssey:
On the second page of the
Nov. 1 edition, you printed a
photo of the controversial
painting "Sun."
I saw it today in Brock,
but it isn't the same. In the
photo, the green and white
spectrum, or flag ,or whatever it is, is in the upper
right-hand corner. But the
one I saw in Brock had it in
the lower right-hand corner.
What gives?
You're nothing but a Philistine, so why should we tell
Muffled cry
Editor. The Ubyssey:
A couple of days ago I
was driving out of "C" lot.
It was dark at 5:30 p.m. and it
was raining very hard—needless to say I was going very
The road in front of me was
a quagmire and it was difficult to see, let alone to thread
my car between the gigantic potholes. Many times I
was forced to drive into potholes, since there were larger
ones blocking other routes. In
one of these potholes, the
muffler on my oar was
smashed. The bill was thirty
I'm mad.     What   the   hell
are   we  paying  parking  fees
for; to park in that cesspool?
EDITOR: Mike Hunter
Associate Keith Bradbury
News   Dave Ablett
Managing George Railton
City   Mike Horsey
Photo     Don Hume
Critics      Ron Riter
Sports    Denis Stanley
Asst. News   Tim Padmore
Senior Donna Morris
Senior   Maureen Covell
Asst. City Richard Simeon
KGV), Alb, BH, SFA, HMc, TWu,
NSF, .IK, LMN, JFK ("freedom
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^r   Money from the government not crossed-out
The man on Granville will say that the students are not only
willing to go to the government for money but are willing to do
something for themselves.
The point of not getting money from the government to build
the Union building is in complete agreement with the Back Mac
campaign. The government of British Columbia refused to give
a direct grant to the AMS for a Union building in 1962, but said
that we would have to get the money from the direct grant given
to the University. If we were to get money from the Administration we would be going against the Back Mac principle.
Mr. Ricker's statement, referred to yesterday, was $1.5 million
on hand because the $880,000 was not considered to be enough.
There is no need to doubt that other help from Provincial and
Federal governments will come once the students have shown
confidence and worth of the project by throwing their own money
into it.
The Government is definitely not crossed out as an added
source of reducing the burden to the student. The Winter Works
program which helped us build the Winter Sports Arena is a joint
Provincial-Federal project.
^   Study facilities were considered and included in SUB
Another argument was that we could put study facilities into
the new building. The students could ask the Board of Governors
to increase our fees another ten dollars and put it into the Library,
but it is doubtful that this would pass the general  consensus.
There are nearly 12,000 classroom seats available at any
day where students can go to study. There is no conceivable need
for study facilities in the new Union. Present Library expansion
includes another 600 study seats in the cell.    The Library will be
extended a great deal by the time the SUB is functioning.
People go to the Library to study because there are books
available. They probably wouldn't use the space in SUB, if it
was provided.
But the planning committee has recommended that the SUB
be turned into large areas for study at peak exam times. They
have included areas which can be booked for study purposes.
The reading lounge will be a quiet room used for that purpose.
^   Surveys updated when final facilities drawn up by Butts
The outspoken critics of the proposed SUB have stated that
the student survey is outdated. The fact remains that the surveys
were compiled on March 16, 1962. When Porter Butts received
the survey he was given additional information which included
the administration plans for such things as the Ponderosa and the
Freddy Wood Theatre, as well as the new facilities in the Education
The survey results and the facility lists were drawn with all
these factors in mind.
The Education building facility is run on a different basis
than the university health services, because the building is owned
and  operated   by the   Provincial   government.     Freddy  Wood   is
not available for student use.
The criticism indicates that we already have adequate facilities
and with these latest additions there is no need for the new Union.
This is wrong because in the very near future many of the present facilities will be gone. For example, the Cafeteria-Auditorium.
It was the insight of the Administration which put the huge food
service in the SUB because they knew as well as the planning committee that there would be a definite need for such in the campus
of 1967.
^   Selfish attitude is stalemate to 'Tuum Est' motto of UBC
The selfish attitude which seems to be a favorite argument
of the opposition to SUB must be checked at this time.
There are two streams to this argument. They say that the
planners are building themselves a little castle for their own
selfish interests. Facts show that none of the present administrators or the planners will be around when the building is completed.
Then there is the selfish opponent who says that he isn't
going to use it so why should he spend money on it. This is not
necessarily the feeling for his whole group, many of his colleagues
might have use for the building. It is not a question of individual
use, but a question of whether or not the majority of the campus
will use it.
When students of the past built the Stadium, Gyms, Fields,
and Winter Sports Arena they didn't hold the selfish attitude that
only 18 per cent of the campus athletes would use the facilities.
Do you think the commutor students considered the fact that they
wouldn't use the residences when the students built them? This
attitude is a indefensible selfish stand.
^   Railroad charge undefended: students can  say 'NO'
Charges of a referendum railroad must be dispelled immediately. Any time a person gets an opportunity to vote "NO"
there can't possibly be a railroad.
At the General Meeting students will be asked to vote on
nothing. It will simply be a full hour of discussion and education.
Students wishing to become more informed or raise an objection
should come to the meeting for that purpose. The referendums
will come on November 22 and at that time students will have a
chance to vote accordingly. Both referendums will require a
two-thirds majority to pass.
Simple economics show that it will save the AMS money to
go for the short-term finance scheme. With construction cost ever
increasing, it would be wiser to borrow the money now and build
rather than get the money first then build.
» The cost of SUB has not been kept a deep dark secret. The
cost has been stated over the years as being in the neighborhood
of $3 million plus the interest. Mr. Bradbury conveniently worked
out the total for you yesterday in The Ubyssey.
The planning committee figured the interest at maximum
rates. These could be reduced by a number of means. First, the
market is flexible and the financers could get the best initial deal.
As additional funds are received the loan principle could be reduced and the rate of interest appreciably decreased. By re-discounting loans at a lower rate and making judicious application
of funds the burden on the students could be lowered. But the
committee had to be realistic and allowed for the outside cost.
They also based these figures on a population of 17,500 and
university officials are estimating a campus of 20,000.
^   Club executives are satisfied with proposed facilities
Criticism based on supposed fact that the clubs would disappear because of the Student Union Building are completely false.
The Club executives met and worked out the proposed
Disenfranchisement is not the inevitable outcome of the SUB,
for clubs. Some of the largest clubs and most active clubs at UBC
have not built up their membership through their clubrooms, but
through imaginative programs. The loss of clubrooms would
cause a hardship to the few habituees, but not to the general
clubs' memberships.
The larger clubs which inhabit the huts behind Brock were
under the misconception  that a  vote for SUB  would  be a  vote
against the huts. They can keep the huts. But the huts have been
condemned and could be torn down tomorrow.
With this inevitable hardship the clubs asked what their alternative would be. Ideally speaking, they could all have clubrooms. This would cost $1 million as a conservative estimate.
Only 14 clubs at present of the 68 have special facilities. This
proved to be impracticable and impossible, so a compromise was
worked out.
The major interest clubs noted that it would be better to have
anything they could get in the new SUB than be left with nothing
when the huts are gone.
UCC, at their general meeting on October 31, approved, in
principle, the SUB.
Thursday,  November   14,   1963
Students needy
Ross asks for
COMOX   —   UBC   Chancellor   Phyllis   Ross   Wednesday
called for more scholarships to aid needy students.
Opening   a   province- wide
speaking tour here, the Chancellor said it is becoming more
and more difficult for students
to pay their way through university.
Government and private financial aid is increasing, she
"But this is not enough, for,
if but one student is denied an
education for financial reasons, society is guilty of robbing him of some of his power
and potential."
She said it costs $1,500 a
year for the average UBC student.
"There are remarkably few
jobs where he can earn that
during the summer."
She said the situation is
even more difficult for women
students, who find it harder to
find jobs and get paid less.
The Chancellor said large
impersonal universities must
not sacrifice the individual.
, • "Universities breed a race of
commuters, commuters who
disappear immediately after
lectures and so miss the rich
life of the academic community."
She said all students should
live in residences, but it is
impossible to build them fast
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She said the idea that students are rich good-time char-
lies is a myth.
"I know few undergraduates
who drive Alfa Romeos between classes, winter in Mexico, or do their Christmas shopping at Tiffany's," she said.
"Far from having superficial or flippant attitudes towards social needs and social
problems, the Canadian student
of 1963 shows depth of interest and concern for the course
of world events which even
those who dream of the golden
age of universities do not
Profs to go to Russia
for education  hints
... to Russia
Vandals deface
Manitoba statue
WINNIPEG (CUP)—Vandals with pots of paint defaced a valuable statue at
the University of Manitoba
The vandals painted over
the statue, a pair of nudes,
covering the breasts, loins
and, on one figure, the nose.
Two  UBC  professors  will  make   a  two-week
educational facilities in Russia early in December.
C. E. Smith, from the Faculty
of Education, will learn about
research work in education
and new devices for teacher
training  in  the  Soviet  Union.
The two UBC professors and
four other professors from
Eastern Canada will be guests
of the Ministry of Education
in Moscow.
They will observe psychological research in the classroom
in Leningrad and visit schools
using new educational techniques.
"Teacher training is particularly different in B.C., and I
believe this is why we were
invited," said Dean Scarfe.
tour   of
Literacy campaign
nation-wide literacy campaign
is being sparked by university
students who have volunteered
as reading teachers.
gives okay
to lecture
Special Events contract for
a lecture series on East Germany, Hungary, and Central
America has been approved by
Rick McGraw, Special
Events committee chairman,
said the three lectures consist of a movie accompanied
by a talk given by the narrator.
Following each lecture, the
speaker will answer questions
and carry on a discussion with
the student audience.
McGraw said the cost of the
series will be $500. Projected
dates are: East Germany, Nov.
28; Hungary, Jan. 9; and Central America, Jan.  19.
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Page 7
Basketball  Thunderbirds   formidable  fire
. . 6' 7" returnee
long way from Broders
Collegiate All-Star
. . McGavin's bred
bill Mcdonald
great guard—a Broder
Basketball returnees
include famous  stars
The defending WCIAA basketball champions, UBC Thunderbirds, start their quest for
a fifth consecutive league
title on November 22 and 23 at
University of   Manitoba.
Coach Peter Mullins has announced his   first string   line-
EDITOR: Denis Stanley
Grey Cup
Grey Cup festivities this
year will have a new sport.
The Canadian Five Pin Association decided to have an
east-west Grey Cup final on
the bowling alleys.
Western representatives for
the match were decided last
weekend at UBC.
Bowlers representing 29
bowling alleys throughout the
Lower Mainland and Vancouver Island competed for
the honor of bowling in the
east-west classic.
The Thunderbird Bowling
team were not eligible for this
Ralph Smith, from "Skyway
Lanes" averaged 329 in his
last four games to beat out
Mike McDermott of "Deluxe
Lanes". Smith's average for
the ten games was 282.9 while
McDermott came second with
271.9  average.
R u s s Baird of "Legion
Lanes" finished third with an
average of 260.7.
Ralph Smith will compete
with the eastern finalist in
the "Lougheed Lanes" Grey
Cup weekend.
The eastern representative
has  not been determined yet.
Students fight
SEOUL, Korea (CUP) —
More than 100 med students
from Yonsei University in
Seoul have been sent to rural
Korean areas to combat an
outbreak of cholera.
up. The two post-men are 6'7"
Ron Erickson and 6'5" Dave
Erickson played last season
with the Birds, and, according
to Peter Mullins, is improving
steadily. Hs greatest improvement is the accuracy of his
hook shot.
Last year Way played with
the Lethbridge Broders, Canada's National team. The previous year he starred with the
Thunderbirds, capturing the
WCIAA scoring championship
as well as the "Most Valuable
Player" award.
John Cook and Dave Osborne will man the forward
Cook, who stands 6'4", is a
returnee from last year's
Thunderbird squad. He was the
only basketball player west of
the Great Lakes to be selected
as a 1962-63 collegiate all-
Osborne, who is also 6'4",
played last season with the
New Westminster McGavins.
It is Osborne's outstanding
basketball ability that has persuaded coach Mullins to employ four forwards this season.
(The convential approach is to
use three forwards, and two
The first string guard for
the Birds is Bill McDonald.
Last year Bill played with the
Lethbridge Broders. The previous season he was with the
B.C. champion New Westminster McGavins.
The upcoming series at the
University of Manitoba is the
only regular league activity for
UBC Olympians
rob Millionaires
•The Canadian Olympic hockey team overcame a 1-0 first
period lead to post a 6-1 victory against the Melville, Sask.,
Millionaires, Tuesday night in
the Prairie city.
Brian Conacher turned the
hat trick to pace Olympic
Other goals came from Henry Akervall, Dave Merrifield,
and Roger Bourbonnais. Richie
Broadbelt was in the net for
the winners in place of first-
stringer Ken Broderick.
the Birds  until  mid-January.
During the intervening period, the Birds will host the annual Totem Tournament, and
partake in an extensive road
trip south of the border.
The highlight of the southern
swing is a meeting with Oregon
State, the number three ranked college team in the U.S.
Golfers close with a win,
have vacation 'till spring
The final' match of the season proved profitable for
the UBC golf team, as the squad took a one-sided victory
from members of the Pitt Meadows club on the weekend.
Despite a stiff breeze and soggy turf, the scores of the
college boys were better than average.
Ian Muter led the team again with a stellar 73 over
the long par 72 course.
John Cavalec with 76, Jim Stevens, John Morgan and
Don Cannon with 77, and Graham Zelmer with 78 were
mainly responsible for the win.
The team will play eight matches next term before
embarking on a journey south in May.
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Thursday,  November  14,  1963
Constitutional revisions
General meeting considers
eligibility, appointments
(4) (a) A student to be a candidate for a Student Council
office in the Alma Mater Society must be eligible in one of
the following categories:
(i) If his immediately previous Christmas examination
n^arks have been registered
with the Registrar he must
have passed the equivalent
number of units required by
the Registrar for the attainment of credit at sessional or
supplemental exami nations
and a 60 per cent average for
15 units and more, 65 per cent
for less than 15 units. If he did
not pass his immediately previous sessional examinations he
must in addition to the unit requirement stated above achieve
a 65 per cent average.
• •    •
(ii) If his immediately previous Christmas examination
marks have not been registered with the Registrar or if his
election is in the fall, he must
have passed the number of
units required by the Registrar
for the attainment of credit at
his immedately previous sessional examinations and a 60
per cent average for 15 units or
more, 65 per cent for less than
15 units.
(iii) If he is not eligible as to
his immediately previous sessional examinations and his
Christmas examination marks
have not been registered with
the Registrar he may demonstrate eligibility by presenting
a letter from the professor of
each of his courses to show that
he is passing the equivalent
number of units required by
the Registrar for the attainment of credit at sessional examinations and a 65 per cent
(Changed from all students
to student councillors, only.)
• •    •
(4) (b) A student to be a
candidate for an Alma Mater
Society office other than Student Councillor must be eligible in one of the following
(i)   If  his  immediately  pre-
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have passed the equivalent
number of units required by
the Registrar for the attainment of credit at sessional or
supplemental exami nations
and a 55 per cent average for
15 units and more, 60 per cent
for less than 15 units. If he did
not pass his immediately previous sessional examinations he
must in addition to the unit requirement stated above achieve
a 60 per cent average.
• * *
(ii) If his immediately previous Christmas examination
marks have not been registered
with the Registrar or if his election is in the fall, he must have
passed the number of units required by the Registrar for the
attainment of credit at his immediately previous sessional
examinations and a 55 per cent
average for 15 units and more,
60 per cent for less than 15
(iii) If he is not eligible as
to his immediately previous
sessional examinations and his
Christmas examination marks
have not been registered with
the Registrar he may demonstrate eligibility by presenting
a letter from the professor of
each of his courses to show that
he is passing the equivalent
number of units required by
the Registrar for the attainment of credit at sessional examinations and a 60 per cent
(Changed  from all  students
except student councillors. The
previous   averages   have   been
lowered by 5 per cent.)
(4) (a) There shall be a Disci
pline Committee which shall
be responsible to the Students'
(b) The Discipline Committee
shall consist of:
(i) A chairman who shall be
a Students' Councillor appointed at the discretion of the
President of the Alma Mater
(ii) Four members at large
who shall be appointed by the
last joint meeting of the incoming and outgoing Students'
Councils or by a two-thirds
majority of Students'   Council.
(5) A Clerk of the Court shall
be appointed at the last joint
meeting of the incoming and
outgoing Students' Councils or
by a two-thirds majority of
Students' Council.
•    •    •
(6) (i) The Court shall consist of five judges and two alternate judges to be appointed
by majority vote of the last
joint meeting of the incoming
and outgoing Students' Councils or by a two-thirds majority of Students' Council.
(Occasionally unforseen
events, business and lack of application leaves no time for a
joint Students' Council Meeting to make the appointments.)
McMaster frosh
'shun' election
—Freshmen at McMaster
University were criticized
for a poor turnout at recent
Frosh elections.
The turnout was 45 per
At UBC's frosh election
12 per cent of eligible frosh
General meeting scrubs
AMS - backed activities
All AMS-sponsored activities scheduled for noon to
2:30 p.m. today have been cancelled.
The cancellation is required because of the general
meeting, to be held in the Armory at 12:30 today.
Under the AMS constitution, activities may be held
after the general meeting is over.
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