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The Ubyssey Nov 23, 1965

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Vol.  XLVIII,  No.  27
CA  4-3916
—norm  betts photo
ALBERTA'S JIM TENNANT kicks UBC forward Les Johannensen's shot right out of picture Saturday at winter sports centre. Hockey Birds hit the mark on 11 other occasions, however, to down University of Alberta (Calgary) Dinosaurs 11-2 in two-game
total-point series.
Vic College vote favors
$56 fee hike holdback
VICTORIA (UNS) — Victoria College students Friday
and Saturday voted 81 pei cent
in favor of withholding $56 of
their second-term tuition fee
Fees were raised by this
amount for the 1965*66 session.
The students voted on a student council referendum
which asked them if they were
willing to withhold fees if the
majority of students did so.
Fifty-seven per cent of Victoria College's 2,960 students
As a result of the referendum, student council decided
Sunday night to send a four-
point brief to the board of
governors at the next board
The brief will recommend:
• The board of governors
base its financial statement
for next year on the basis of
last year's fee level when it
presents the statement to the
provincial government.
• A student representative
be included on the committee
presenting the statement.
• The board of governors
make public the financial
• The board announce the
fee level for the 1966-67 session not later than March 11.
Victoria College Alma
Mater Society president Paul
Williamson said Monday students would withhold the $56
until student council gave
them the go-ahead to pay.
He said the crucial date
would be March 11.
"At that time we will say tc
the students 'go ahead and
pay' — or ask them to continue withholding the money," he
Williamson     said    students
would probably pay if the administration maintained the
present fee level.
"But under no conditions
would we accept a hike," he
Student council will circulate pledge cards for students
to sign.
UBC student president Byron
Hender said Monday he wished
Victoria College success, but
said the situation at UBC was
"Their board of governors
took part in National Student
Day," he said. "The political
situation there is different
from ours."
Indigestion is
a SUB dishwasher
UBC food czalrina Ruth Blair is causing indigestion in
more places than in her cafeterias.
Jolivet incorrectly quoted:
we retract Friday story
The Ubyssey wishes to correct a page one story
appearing in Friday's edition.
The story erroneously attributed to Lawrence Jolivet,
head of the B.C. Liberal association, statements expressing non-confidence in Prime Minister Lester Pearson and
the suggestion that Pearson should resign.
The attribution was a mistake on our part.
The Ubyssey retracts the story completely and extends
its apologies to Mr. Jolivet for any inconvenience or
trouble caused him.
In a report to council Monday night on UBC's future
Students' Union Building SUB
committee chairman Roger McAfee said a disagreement has
arisen between SUB architect
Ken Snider and Food Service
Head Ruth Blair.
The strife has grown out of
the placing of the SUB cafeteria dishwashing machine.
Snider wants to put it in the
basement   where   the   kitchen
will   be   located.   Missi Blair
(Continued on Page 3)
AMS wishes
Vic well'
in fee fight
Ubyssey  Councl  Reporter
A walkout and a wild dash were part of UBC student
council's reactions to Victoria College's fee referendum.
In a referendum held Friday ■■
Pink scourge
hits Brock
at Victoria, students voted to
withhold until March the $56
fee increase introduced this
Victoria College fees were
previously set at $372.
College students are also demanding an outline of fee
structure from their board of
Monday night, AMS first
vice president Bob Cruise called for a motion stating UBC
support of such a plan.
As discussion began, angry
AMS co-ordinator Graeme
Vance marched out of the meeting saying, "I cannot take any
more of this."
Law undergraduate society
president Peter Hyndman said
he didn't feel the AMS could
say it supported Victoria's
stand on withholding money
when UBC had rejected nonpayment of all second-term
fees by a referendum.
"I would suggest we entertain a motion to wish Victoria
college well," said AMS president Byron Hender.
A suggestion was made to
table Cruise's motion and after
much discussion Hender yelled:
*I'm not debating the motion,
I'm asking you idiots to vote
on it."
A motion was then passed
tabling the previous motion "to
table the motion to make any
statement until the issue becomes clear".
(Councillors felt they wanted
to hear Victoria president
Malcolm Taylor's view of the
situation before taking any
"And dynamic council
swings into action," said engineering undergraduate president Art Stevenson.
Hender then suggested a motion to withdraw the last two
Ubyssey editor Tom Way-
man then agreed to make a
wild dash over to the library
to check the Victoria college
calendar to see if it could shed
any light on Taylor's possible
"Where are you going?"
Hender asked Stevenson as he
rose to leave with Wayman.
"To the bathroom," Stevenson replied.
Council finally passed a motion wishing Victoria College
well in its endeavors.
The scourge of the twentieth century will hit UBC
Wednesday noon.
According to faculty members Leon Getz and Walter
Young, the resolution "Socialism is the Scourge of the
Twentieth Century" should
be upheld.
For the negative are students Peter Hyndman and
Rod MacKenzie.
The debate will be held on
Wednesday noon in the south
wing of the law building.
—norm  betts photo
the -- uh -- jerk at another
Friday night Lower Mall
-.- uh -- dance. frage 2
Tuesday, November 23, 1965
—powell hargrave photo
IT WAS A STUDY Monday as studious Roz Bufton, education I, gets studied by non-
academic   studiers   in   weak   winter   sunshine in front of library.
Mystery solution near
Ubyssey Phantom Reporter
I waited and I listened and
I waited and I listened and
then I heard it.
Early Monday morning,
after playing tag with the
Brock ghost all weekend, I
located the source of the
It seems to be coming from
the south wall of the north
Brock stairwell.
A weekend in Brock is the
most enlightening experience
a person can have. After settling down in The Ubyssey
offices with my sleeping bag,
fire axe and pot of coffee I
prepared to wait roughly forever, if necessary, to find the
The fun started Friday
night after many hours of nothing.
Suddenly, the most bizarre
screaching and scratching I
have ever heard started coming from everywhere.
I grabbed my axe, assumed
a karate stance and prepared
myself for the unknown.
Thump, thump it went.
Then started a hideous moaning and groaning. Being the
intrepid reporter I am, I set
out in search of the source.
It seemed to be coming
from up the stairs so off I went
with my sleeping bag for security and my axe for protection.
I slunk down the dimly lit
I seemed to be getting nearer the place.
Shadows danced on the
walls and the sound was
reaching a crescenlo.
I summoned all the courage
I could muster and burst
through a door.
I was standing face to face
with a group of equally startled    square dancers.
After that, I was determin
ed to wait for  the  ghost  to
come  to  me.
The real ghost made itself
known early Monday morning. The desperate moanings
groaning and pounding seemed to be coming from the wall
opposite the women's washroom in the north Brock basement.
Bad Boys
Ragge Shoppe
The Devil
Dresses Here . .
What A Way To Go
Shirley MacLaine
Paul Newman
The Amorous Adventures of
Moll Flanders
Kim Novak - Rich. Johnson
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Ian Hendry
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Our 'rights' could
alter U.S. policy
Canada will not get the
policy by staging marches or
Dr. John Conway, of UBC's
The best way to affect UJS.
policy is to say the right thing
at the right time to the right
person, he told a one-day extension department seminar on
American foreign policy Saturday.
•      •      •
Conway said it is easy to denounce U.S. policy because it
is    based    on    possession    of
nuclear weapons.
"But we ought to remember
Canada's diplomacy might be
more effective if we had nuclear weapons ouselves," he
"If eight or nine nations had
nuclear weapons could Canada keep out of the N-club?
Conway said Canada's effectiveness in Viet Nam is not
felt because Canadians don't
know enough about the situation there.
U.S. to change its Viet Nam
making pronouncements, says
history department.
•     •
press still  calls
"Our local
Viet Nam the Far East instead
of the near West. I don't think
there are any Canadian correspondents in Viet Nam"
The historian said the best
way to get through to the
American is to cultivate them
and show that their attitudes
are not as much in their own
interest as the attitudes we
want them to follow.
Hender plans
campus tours
Alma Mater Society president Byron Hender is going
into the tourist business.
Hender said Monday he was
planning to sponsor a series of
noon department tours by
groups of up to 30 students.
"There are research projects
going on that no one knows
about," he said.
He said the tours would be
conducted by faculty members.
"The majority said it would
be very beneficial," he said.
"We are now looking for
interested  students."
Hender said he is also looking for a chairman to co-ordinate the tours.
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Page 3
—val zuker photo
UBC ACADEMIC ENVIRONMENT hasn't yet reached campus sign-makers. Composer
of this one managed to mis-spell three.words of three-word sign labelling old education building moved to new site between Brock and law building.
AMS summer employees
all for hiring themselves
Five Alma Mater Society executives strongly supported
Monday the hiring of AMS executive staff during the summer.
They were AMS president
Byron Hender, treasurer Mike
Sommers, co-ordinator Graeme
Vance, off-campus housing coordinator Kyle Mitchell, and
student union building chairman Roger McAfee.
Their support came after student court ruled Thursday that
retaining AMS counsillors in
the council capacities during
summer months is unconstitutional.
Hender and Sommers worked in their capacities as president and treasurer in the
summer of 1965, McAfee and
Mitchell held in the same positions in 1964.
The summer of 1965 McAfee
worked as sub chairman, Mitchell as housing co-ordinator,
and Vance worked for one
month investigating the advantages of an auditorium in SUB.
These last three positions
were not elected AMS positions
and their legality was not questioned by the court.
Court chief justice Barry
Slutsky, law III, said Monday
the decision against the hiring
was made in the understanding
that hiring was still desirable.
"The whole question is that
of legality," he said.
"Under the present AMS
constitution, councillors may
not legally remain during summer months as councillors."
AMS executives receive $400
a month for summer work.
Hender, who worked last
summer for four months as
AMS president, said it was vital
to retain certain students during the summer months to keep
the AMS operating.
"We can't run a million dollar business for eight months
of the year," he said.
"Legally and financially, we
are a year-round organization."
Sommers, who worked in
August as AMS treasurer,
agreed with Hender.
"The AMS budget alone
lakes at least a month to prepare properly."
Vance said the decision of
the student court "focuses attention on the need for staff
during the summer."
Accusations that summer
hirees have bloated salaries are
ridiculous, he said.
"In fact the salaries are often
lower than we would obtain
working elsewhere."
McAfee said it was impos
sible for the AMS president to
do his job without the major
events of the school year preprogrammed.
"If council wants to continue
to hire during the summer, the
necessary bylaws must be inserted in the AMS constitution," said McAfee.
The full student court ruling
on the summer hiring of executives will appear in Thursday's
Three-way forum
two groups short
A proposed labor-management-government panel to discuss automation in relation to the threatened B.C. general
strike will go short-handed at UBC today,
By late Monday, only labor
had agreed to send a representative to the open forum
sponsored by the academic
symposium committee.
The B.C. Federation of Labor
said it would send assistant
secretary Don McGiven to the
noon panel in Angus 104.
The department of labor in
Victoria refused to send a
spokesman, said committee
member Charlie Boylan.
Both BA Oil and Imperial
Oil have also refused, he said.
"Both expressed 'deep regrets' but said they were too
busy," said Boylan.
He said the committee is trying to get a chamber of commerce official to speak for
"We'll hold the forum even
if  only labor  shows up,"  he
Dr. Walter Young, of UBC's
political science department,
has been asked to moderate the
UBC nationalists
win debate crown
UBC's debating team took both sides of an argument
with Victoria College Friday, winning the right to represent
B.C. in January's McGoun Cup finals at Manitoba.
Both victories, on the topic
Nationalism is a Necessity,
were unanimous.
Jim Taylor and David Amor
took the affirmative at UBC
against Ken Birch and Stephen
Horn of Victoria College.
UBC argued that nationalism
and internationalism were not
incompatible. Amor said man's
basic needs are to himself, his
family, the community and the
UBC judges Dr. Walter
Young, political science, Dr.
Malcolm McGregor, classics,
and Dr. M. W. Steinberg, English, gave full points to UBC,
based on content, presentation
and rebuttal.
UBC debaters Wolfram Ray-
mer and Richard Watts in Victoria decided nationalism isn't
necessary and won another 4-0
decision. Collegite losers were
David George and Lewis Cap-
(Continued from page 1)
wants it  on  the   floor   above
with the cafeteria.
McAfee said the University
of Colorado had a highly successful setup like the one
Snider wants.
"But Miss Blair has not seen
any kitchens but her own so
she can't picture the system
working," he said.
McAfee said the dishwasher
was the only thing to hold SUB
up now. He said it was nothing
important, "like a roof falling
McAfee said the estimated
cost to the AMS for the building is now 3.4 million. He said
officially it is 2.8 as that is all
the existing referendum would
McAfee said he hoped to get
private loans to cover the difference in costs.
1963 commerce grad, topped 1,500 candidates across
Canada to win the coveted
Governor General's gold
medal of the Institute of
Chartered Accountants.
Cuba's  Americo
from Ottawa here
Fidel's man in Ottawa
visits UBC Wednesday.
Dr. Americo Cruz, Cuban
ambassador to Canada, will
address a noon meeting in
Cruz is in Vancouver for
Saturday's fifth anniversary
banquet of the Fair Play for
Cuba Committee.
Black and Blue
Preparation of the second
annual Black and Blue Review
is underway.
Sciencemen interested i n
helping wth the survty are
asked to apply to the SUS
offce, Hut 0-8.
■ itswiiis*   mr,   ninv —norm betts photo
LOOKING FOR RIDE on University Boulevard is second-year engineer Al Barclay who
became a hitchhiker Monday when his car slammed into a tree after being hit by
another car. Barclay and three passengers were uninjured, but had to kick battered
doors open to get out. mnrssn
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"Nobody shoots at a dead duck."
Bennett, Nov. 5, 1965
The palace
-W. A. C.
The wishing well
Bravo, Victoria!
Back in those radical October days when UBC
council was being goaded into taking part in National
Student Day, Victoria College moved swiftly to plan
a Legislature lawn rally.
And when UBC marched, Victoria marched.
And then when UBC student councillors went back
to sleep, their duty on fees done, Victoria councillors kept
thinking on ways to capitalize on what had been gained
' by their march.
And then UBC's council was forced into holding
a silly referendum on withholding second term fees.
After 1,100 students indicated they were concerned
enough about the problem to take even this action,
council took the wishes of the other 1,900 who voted
as a mandate to do nothing.
Which they then proceeded to do.
But in Victoria, this weekend, a carefully thought
out plan was put into effect.
That campus' voters approved by 85 per cent a
referendum to withhold last year's fee increase of $56
until such time as they get a committment on fees for
next year from their board of governors.
How simple. How clever. Nothing irresponsible; just
pointing out that most students will not consent to
continue to pay fees which increase from year to year
at the whim of some other group.
With guts and determination, the students at Victoria have made it clear that they do not want a
repetition of last year's sneaky announce-the-hike-after-
everybody-breaks-for-the-summer policy.
Victoria said they want to know if there is going
to be another raise, and if so, why there is going to be
anther raise. In shoi^t, they have asked their board to
consider student ability to pay next spring's probable
fee hike.
And they have hit upon a far more positive way of
making sure their administration does consider it than
the usual pieces of paper circulated between our own
Brock Hall and UBC's administration building.
Meanwhile, back to our own action-packed councillors, i
In past meetings they have refused to consider an
Education Action Program committee suggestion for a
referendum on the establishment of a. trust fund for
students to pay fees into until some tangible idea of
our board's fee plans are released.
And Monday night, they conducted a heated debate
ori whether AMS' council's alternative to a sensible
fee withholding referendum — next Tuesday's Face the
Facts rally involving the board of governors — was not
perhaps inopportune at this time.
Then, the AMS unveiled its secret weapon.
A wishing well.
Unable to applaud Victoria's action because they
felt they wanted to hear what Victoria College's president might have to say about it first, UBC's councillors
launched into a hassle about how to say they sort of
agreed with the principle involved.
And finally, they settled on the formula:
Victoria, UBC's AMS council wish you well.
While the three B.C. university presidents can get
together to make sure the province's fees go up to the
same amount everywhere, B.C.'s students can't seem to
actively support one another in battling this spring's
probable fee hike.
But go ahead Victoria. Fight like hell for all of us.
Remember, we're behind you.
Even though we're a long way behind you, we're
here someplace.
"Think I'll just pop in here and see them about a summer job.'
Should we strike too?
Editor, The Ubyssey, Sir:
This Thursday and Friday
the labor unions in British
Columbia are tentatively staging a "union solidarity" general strike.
Might I suggest, in view of
recent activities on campus,
that the students' "union" join
the strikers, to support the oil
workers' demands for higher
wages, so THEY may pay
greatly increased income
taxes, so THEY may pay for
more of OUR education.
Comm. Ill
Editor. The Ubyssey, Sir:
Like "Grad Studies", who
wrote in last Friday's
Ubyssey, I too have heard
loud noises at lunchtime coming from loudspeakers on
However, I found these
noises nearly always incomprehensible, due to a combination of overmodulation,
echoes, intermittent absorption by obstacles, Doppler
effects and movement of the
So thank you, "Grad
Studies", for telling us what
these guys were trying to
I guess I didn't miss much.
No  moral  here
See? Already you notice
something bare about a Monday editorial page.
Moralman, The Ubyssey's
embryonic cartoon strip, is in
Credo today, pages 6 and 7.
Taking a break from the wonderful world of Brock, Moral-
man today discusses a less
controversial issue — sex.
Editor, The Ubyssey, Sir:
Would you please grant me
space in your letters column
to enquire about an acquaintance of mine?
His name is Mr. J. Hillel
and although I am not certain
as to his connection, if any,
with UBC, I understand that
he has friends on the campus.
He may not recall my
name and I am therefore
forced to include a paragraph
of self-identification.
We met briefly at a literary
circle in the dept. of Islamic
studies where he presented
a short talk on his new novel.
At the end of the evening a
terrible mishap was found to
have occured — his manuscript was missing. A general
investigation followed but the
novel was not found.
I am happy to report, however that it has finally been
I am unable to disclose the
details of its disappearance,
but the manuscript, slightly
damaged, is in my possession.
Would anybody who knows
Mr. Hillel please ask him to
write to me at the department of Islamic studies, McGill  University,  Montreal.
EDITOR:  Tom  Wayman
Associate   George Reamsbottom
News       Ron   Riter
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Christians are self-righteous
And liars, and hypocrites,
and perpetrators of an irrelevant, incoherent, dead faith
that nobody ascribes to anyway.
The United States is a
Christian nation. The Bible
preaches pacifism, one U.S.
council of churches has damned the Viet Nam conflict.
Christ himself was somewhat
of a pacifist.
But the West merrily goes
to war, shrouded in napalm
and hellfire, with God and
Mom on its side.
To be anywhere near true
to their professed Christian
beliefs, Americans would have
to be a nation of conscientious
objectors, sitting on the pavement en masse and refusing to
have anything to do with killing people.
That's just a major example
— the roots of such large
scale hypocrisy are entrenched in Canadian society.
They're evident in our total
disregard for human beings,
our complacency, our many
faces pasted over each other
with the uppermost showing
the Christian image we'd like
to project and the bottommost
indicating our real feelings.
Our bottommost face, the one
nobody sees, always dictates
our behavior.
Now, this is all windmill
tilting—Christianity has been
dead these good many years.
It doesn't relate to life as it
is lived; Christianity is removed from anything which
actually concerns living
We wonder about Rev. Alan
Jackson, who says God is
dead and the church is irrelevant. We wonder more because we rather forfcefully
agree with him: in fact, we
say God never lived.
Then there was the Primate
of Canada Archbishop Clarke,
who, at the Anglican General
Synod in Vancouver last summer, said the real Christians
are the youthful idealists with
their heartfelt and actually
practised ideas of brotherly
love, peaceful co-existence
and their activist way of going about it.
People like CORE-ers,
SNCC-niks, UGEQ-eurs.
People with a rigid code of
ethics and a highly developed
sense of what is human and
what is not. And an activist
philosophy backing it up, so
they live their ideas and try
to make others live by what
they know is right.
Young Christ was one of
the greater social reformers,
and he was an activist too.
Not that an activist would
try to join today's church —
he'd know a dead duck when
he smelled it.
So would Christ.
It'd be nice to have a lot
fewer Christians and a lot
more human beings.
In todays church, you can't
be both.
So to hell with churches.
Managing       Ian   Cameron
Features        Mike   Bolton
CUP       Don    Hull
Covering the campus like an
electric blanket Monday were Anne
Balf, Gordon McLaughlin, Bob
Wieser, Stu Gray, Vivian Gigum,
Phantom Hrushowy, and Claudia
Slaving for Betts in the dark
were:   Powell,   Dennis,   Kurt,   and
Val.  Greetings to  Sheila	
please come back. Tuesday, November 23, 1965
Page 5
Student day
affected AUCC
for Canadian University Press
National Student Day is
over; the Bladen Report has
been received; and Canada's
university presidents managed to avoid the whole question of student aid by establishing a comjnittee to study
the problem.
Across the country on Oct.
27 students responded — or
failed to respond — to a
somewhat misconceived Canadian Union of Students' program of "abolish the fees."
The Bladen Commission
issued a report that said, in
effect leave things the way
they are.
• •     •
The Association of Universities and Colleges of Canada, meeting in Vancouver,
endorsed r e c o mmendations
that would make the corpor-
This is pari two of a two-
part assessment of National
Student Day.
ate universities strong, but
stemmed a rising tide of rebellion over student financing by setting up a vaguely
defined  committee.
In attempting to evaluate
the recent and present situation it is valuable to begin
with a look at the Bladen Report, for it contains, in one
neat package, many of the
assumptions and views basic
to the problems of educational financing.
The internal logic of the
commission's arguments on
fees and student financing reveals some of the reports
Bladen bases his financial
projections on the Sheffield
figures and urges that these
projected enrollments be
taken as desired goals.
(Edward Sheffield's projects
that by 1967-77 Canada's universities would have 479,700
students enrolled.)
• •     •
He argues against eliminating tuition fees or vastly increasing student aid because
it would add too much to the
bill, which might have the
consequence of creating a
reaction that in the end
would mean not enough
money would be provided —
an "ask for less and you'll
get what you want" rationale.
But examination of the
Sheffield report reveals the
following statement:
"We have taken no account
of the possibility that . . .
vastly increased provision
may be mlade for financial
aid to students."
In other words, Sheffield's
projections were based on a
maintenance of the status quo
and Bladen, in accepting the
projections as a goal, accepted the status quo as his goal.
The commission also tended
to separate the quantitative
and qualitative questions
about education.
Without questioning the
present qualitative aspects, it
argued   that   if   the  present
quality is to be maintained,
increased enrolments must be
carefully handled.
But this argument misses
the point entirely.
• •      •
For some reason the commission neglected to quote
the Dominion Bureau of Statistics figures which show that
in 1961-62 about 60 per cent
of Canada's students came
from the 21.8 per cent of families with incomes of $5,000
or more a year.
So, while education is qual-
itatetively restricted to those
economically established families who can afford to finance their children in university.
The delegates to the AUCC
meeting were also concerned
with the quantity-quality problem, but for different reasons
many of them developed a
concern for student aid that
threatened the usual surface
unanimity of the organization.
Judging by the remarks
made during the meeting,
some delegates developed a
genuine concern for the financial situation of students.
But others appeared to be
moved more by fear of the
UBC marchers and a desire
to avoid conflict with an increasingly aroused and aware
student community.
• •     •
As the situation stands now
the delegates to the AUCC
have returned to their respective universities confident
that the whole sticky question will be handled by the
student aid committee; CUS
appears to be in the process
of re-evaluating its strategy.
What the vaguely defined
committee will do is anyone's
guess, but those with any
knowledge of how committee's operate will place little
faith in its final results.
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Tuesday, November 23,  1965
An Editorial
In this issue of Credo, we are proud to present our
very own baby: Moralman.
Who is Moralman?
Well, he can be you when you try to convince yourself
that to believe in God is wrong. Or he can be you telling
your girl friend that pills are a step in the right direction.
Or he can be you explaining why we should get out of
Viet Nam.
In truth, Moralman is the embodiment of all people
at all times in all places who try to rationalize their actions
on moral grounds.
• •      •     -
The creative germ that grew into Moralman was conceived in an article by Reverend Jack Shaver of the United
Church in last month's Credo.
. "Why not have a whole series of Moralman cartoons?"
Shaver suggested.
Arnold Saba, one of our artists, took it from there and
very cautiously presented Moralman to us in the Nov. 9
issue of The Ubyssey.
At that time, Moralman had gotten off to a flying start
but we still didn't know where he was going.
Ideas began to trickle in. Gordon Fiddler, our photographer, suggested having pictures of the UBC campus
for background scenes.
• •       •
Alan Hughes provided some topics to work on.—
Shaver was frequently consulted for advice and ideas.
And for this issue, Saba labored a full sixteen hours to
produce the synthesis of Moralman as we had originally
envisaged him.
In other articles, Edward T. Rand, writing for the
Christian Science Association for Publication in B.C., gives
us his opinion on where Heaven and Hell really are.
And finally Gabor Mate gives his reply to Mr. Jackson's view on God which was presented in last week's
Page Friday.
Mate's sorry:
God's still alive
It is with an acute consciousness of the absurb that I
begin to write these words.
For here am I, an atheist, telling a Christian minister and
theologian that the God he
considers dead is still alive.
I wish I could share your optimism, Reverend Jackson,
but God, unfortunately, is not
yet deceased.
The reverend stated in his
recent Page Friday interview
that God is dead in the sense
that man no longer expects
divine direction in the solution of earthly problems:
"The responsibility is ours."
If only we would accept
that responsibility! But society does not comprise Death
of God theologians. It is made
up mostly of people who, if
they heard of the Death of
God school at all, gain their
knowledge from the erudite
pages of Time magazine.
For these people God is
very much alive as the Supreme Director of the terrestrial comedy. For them the
waters of the Red Sea parted,
for them Jonah served time
inside the whale, for them
the Magi journeyed to Bethlehem, and for them Jesus
was resurrected.
It is enough for them to believe this much, and to call
themselves   Jews   or   Christ-
You can't beat
the taste of
Player's... the best-tasting cigarettes.
lans, to ensure their peacee of
mind. That these biblical
events may have some deeper
significance is a thought unheard of, or at least soon
buried in the catacombs of
their conscience.
That perhaps their profession of faith commits them to-
concrete and damanding responsibility rarely occurs to
As long as they have observed the ceremonial requirements of r e 1 i g i o,n
God will take care of the rest.
What matters the injustice all
around us as long as Christ
ascends to Heaven every Easter? What matters that I
make no conscious effort to
carry out in practice a single
one of Jesus' teachings as long
as I believe he was born in
a manger as the Son of God?
Or what matters that I pay
little attention to the teachings of the Hebrew prophets
as long as I can put my finest
suit and pray for forgiveness
on the Day of Atonement?
What matters?
It is not suggested that such
attitudes are nurtured deliberately by either Judaism or
Christianity. Truly, if the professed adherents of these religions actually lived by their
avowed beliefs, there would
be no need for the desire to
see God die.
Unfortunately, however, two
of ten religions merely provide a mythology that people
accept eagerly and an ethical
system that they accept halfheartedly or not at all. For
people do not wish to accept
the responsibility to act with
justice, God is too convenient
a peg upon which to hang
one's conscience for him to be
allowed to die.
So, Reverend Jackson, God
is not yet dead. And society
is not prepared to shoulder
the responsibility that God's
death would thrust upon it.
But let us keep hoping. And
let us keep working, sir, each
in our separate way. Perhaps
some day we shall attend together the happiest funeral
ever held.
Heaven, hell
in man's mind
Heaven on earth is a startling idea, and hell on earth is
even more so. But neither are
impossibilities for they can be
experienced in our present
state of existence.
Heaven and hell are not
places. They are conditions
of thought. It is often believed
that they are geographical
locales to be reached after
death, the one promising everlasting happiness and the
other penances and punishment.
I think of them as subjective states of consciousness
brought about by right or
wrong thinking. Mary Baker
Eddy, the discoverer and
founder of Christian Science,
writes in Science and Health
with Key to the Scriptures
(p. 226), "The sinner makes his
his own hell by doing evil,
and the saint his own heaven
by doing right."
Hell is destructive evil
thinking, a self-imposed
agony. Right thinking and doing constitute the Kingdom of
heaven in man. The olden
opinion that hell is fire and
brimstone is yielding through
enlightened thought from a
material place of flames and
torture, to the recognition that
sinful thinking produces a
state of mental anguish. Hate,
selfishness, fear, envy, jealousy, and bad traits of character, produce an offensive
disposition and constitute the
miasma of hell on earth.
As our thought is transformed through pure motives
and spiritual desires, the kingdom of heaven becomes practical in our experience. When
the Pharisses questioned Jesus
concerning the Kingdom of
heaven, he said (Luke 17:20-
21), "The kingdom of God
cometh not with observation:
neither shall they say Lo here!
or lo there! for, behold the
kingdom of God is within
It is within our ability to
think and act rightly, and this
is the path to heavenly harmony. Heaven is attainable
through righteous God-like
thinking here and now. It is
health and holiness. Heaven
comes down to earth in proportion as -we become conscious of the divine presence
and of His goodenss, power
and love.
Heaven is within our reach.
But like the Israelites (Deut.
1:8) we must "go in and possess the land." It is not an outside attainment but an inner
awareness. To posses the land
requires discipline of thought
and devotion to a high purpose. Tuesday, November 23,  1965
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The most important
questions you could ask about
a career with IBM
...answered here
Last year's graduates said that the four
most important considerations to them in
evaluating companies where they might start
their careers were challenging work, advancement opportunities, educational opportunities, and the use of ingenuity on the
Here  is  how
critical factors:
IBM  rates  on these four
Is there an opportunity
to do challenging,
exciting work at IBM ?
There is naturally a greater sense of participation and involvement when the field you
work in is as young, vigorous and growing
as data processing. IBM is at the centre of
what has been* called an industry without
bounds. Here you will find the diversity and
continuing challenge of a pioneering industry. IBM machines are assisting in atomic
research for industry, in space exploration,
in the compilation of Olympic Games results.
They are helping where steel is produced,
where ships are built, where oil wells are
drilled. They are at work in transportation,
in agriculture, in real estate, in medicine,
in education, in advertising, in construction,
in banking, in manufacturing, in government.
The climate for innovation, new ideas, and
for talented new people is unusually good.
Challenges abound. Knowledgeable people
with a broad range of talents and abilities
are needed, and IBM takes special pains to
keep you from being cornered in confining
or restricting jobs. The company finds it good
business to help you—and every other employee—to discover everything you can do.
The excitement of working where you can
actually see the future emerging is here.
Whatever your chosen area in this field, IBM
can offer you a broad spectrum of stimulating
Are there real
opportunities for
advancement at IBM?
A person entering IBM now is still on the
ground floor with respect to the growth
potential of the data processing field. There
is room for steady advancement. It's up to
you. but everything possible is done to help.
The company has been built on the proposition that we constantly improve our products and our technology while providing a
maximum degree of satisfaction on the part
of our employees, in their assigned tasks.
IBM has a reputation to maintain and only
by moving promising new people along can
the company fulfill its own promise for the
future. The individual's quest for opportunity
is welcomed and encouraged. Bigger jobs
await those ready to take on bigger responsibilities. Promotion from within—based on
ability and performance—is traditional IBM
practice. Many of I BM's more important positions are held today by people in their thirties
and forties who have steadily moved ahead
from their first job with the company. For
those who seek a real sense of job satisfaction, an IBM career presents stimulating intellectual and material rewards.
What about educational
The real assets of IBM lie in the potential
of its people. IBM considers your university
background only a beginning, just as you do.
As you feel the need to review, up-date and
advance your education, IBM provides a
wealth of opportunities at every stage of
your career. Here, education is a continuing
process. In fact, each year IBM as a company
spends more on education than do all but
a handful of the world's largest universities,
and there are a number of voluntary programs
in which employees may participate with
company financial support. At IBM. progress
is the result of human inventiveness, talent
and skill. Through extensive education, training and management development programs,
you are aided in preparing yourself to move
ahead, by acquiring a well-rounded business
background and making yourself eligible for
many kinds of professional as well as management positions.
Is ingenuity important
at IBM?
Today there is scarcely a form of human
activity in which data processing cannot play
some useful part. IBM's rate of growth has
created many opportunities for young people
with outstanding initiative, imagination and
competence. Because of the continuing need
to expand and move ahead, you will find a
remarkable readiness to accept change. You
will find that your ideas count from the first
day you come to work. And whether working
independently or as part of a team, you will
have IBM's resources to draw upon for technical and administrative assistance.
At IBM there are a remarkable variety of
starting points and paths to advancement.
You start with the assurance that a satisfying
and rewarding career is available to you in a
dynamic, thriving industry. Make it a point
to discuss what IBM's "room for achievement" could mean to you with the IBM representative who will be visiting the campus
November 29,30, December 1,2,3
Your placement officer can make an appointment with our interviewer. If you cannot
attend the interviews, write or visit the IBM
office in Vancouver at 1445 West Georgia
Street. Tuesday, November 23,  1965
Page 9
—norm  betts photo
UBC'S RALPH LORTIE (number seven) swoops in on Qino's
net after rebound in Saturday's 9-1 Thunderbird victory
over U. of Alfa. (Calgary) Dinosaurs. Birds won two-game
total-goal series 11-2 to win John Owen Memorial hockey
UBC's Mosher hot
soccer win
Dick Mosher scored two goals and set up two more
as the UBC soccer Thunderbirds downed St. Andrews 4-0
Saturday at Callister Park.
The win moved UBC into
sole possession of second place
in the Pacific Coast Soccer
League, and Mosher's two
goals moved him into first
place in the league scoring
race. Mosher tops the loop
with seven tallies.
Owen Memorial trophy
won by hockey 'Birds
Dinos beaten
11-2 in total
goal series
Ubyssey Sports Editor
UBC Thunderbirds won
the first annual Intercollegiate Hockey Classic for the
John Owen Memorial trophy
'Birds overpowered University Dinosaurs from Calgary 11-2 in the two-game
total point series at the Winter Sports Centre before
more than 700 fans.
UBC won the first game
Friday 2-1 on Miles Deshar-
nais' power play at 16:08 of
the third period.
UBC's Ken Broderick was
sensational in the nets Friday, displaying the talents
which rates him one of Canada's best amateur goalies.
Dinosaurs had grabbed the
lead with seven minutes gong
in the opening period when
Don Jordan beat Broderick
from a goal mouth scramble.
But Keith Klements tied
the game midway through
the second period
Saturday UBC romped
over the Dinos 9-1.
'Birds scored five times in
the opening period and added three more in the third.
They traded solo goals with
Alberta in the second.
Other. UBC triggermen
were Ralph Lortie, Jack Littler, Len Bousquet, Fenton
Doyle, Al Merlo, Klements
and Desharnais.
Ken Broderick had an easy
time in the nets having to
make only 16 saves, seven
less than the night before.
Team captain Al Merlo received the trophy from Mrs.
John Owen, wife of the late
UBC trainer who died Jan. 1,
of this year after serving 28
years on the campus.
The trophy was donated by
the University District Lions
Club for annual competition.
• •      •
Kirby Carter opened the
action with a goal ten minutes
into the first period, taking a
cross-pass from Mosher and
ramming the ball past St.
Andrew's goal keeper Don
Mosher scored his first goal
of the afternoon at the 32
minute mark of the first half,
when he deflected a rebound
from a penalty kick.
• •      •
His second goal came 22
minutes into the sceond half
off a pass from Ash Valdai.
Mosher's pass to Paul Beckow
gave 'Birds their final score in
the closing moments.
The 'Birds meet Victoria
United Saturday at 2 p.m. in
UBC stadium.
The Ubyssey's
Cuban Ambassador to Canada
Speaks in Brock Hall Lounge Nor. 24
Sponsored by SCM, AAC, UN  CLUB, SCFC, SCOCA
—norm   betts  photo
TWO JUDO BUFFS make with grunt and groan effort in
the fourth annual UBC judo tournament at the Memorial
Gym Saturday. UBC's Yosh Okita won the coveted black
belt  championship.
List No. 73 - Nov. 17, 1965
Abstract  Painting.  Seuphor.  (Dell).   _     .95
Africa in the Days of Exploration. Oliver. (Spectrum.)  2.25
American   Revolution,   1764-1788.  Morison.   (Oxford.)     2.50
Articles of Confederation. Jensen. (U. of Wisconsin.)  2.00
Asia  on  the   Eve  of  Europe's  Expansion.  Loch.   (Spectrum.)     2.25
Bell for Adano.  Hersey. (Bantam.)    .60
Benito Mussolini;  Rise & Fall of  II Duce.  Hibbert.  (Penguin.)  1.35
Canada in World Affairs: Oct. 1955-June 1957. Eayrs. (Oxford.)     . 1.95
Change  &   Innovation   in   Elementary   School   Organization.   Hillson.
(Holt,  Rinehart.)   .       4.35
Chemical   Energy.   (Reinholt.)     2.10
Fall, the.  Comus.  (Vintage.)    ^  1.80
Five Families, lewis. (Mentor.)  -    __.  .95
Framing of the Constitution of the U.S. Farrand. (Yale.)  1.95
Gene   Concept.   Barish.   (Reinhold.)                               . _   _ 2.10
God's Country and  Mine. Barzun. (Vintage.)  1.55
Goodbye to All That. Graves. (Penguin.)    .85
Great Contemporaries.  Churchill.  (Fontana.)           1.50
Great  Political Theories,  Vol.   I.   _  .75
Great  Political Theories, Vol.  II.    .75
History of the English Language. Brook. (Norton.)  1.55
Indonesia.   Legge.   (Spectrum.)     2.25
Italy, Salvador!.  (Spectrum.)  _     --     	
Jazz  Story;  from the 90's  to   the  60's.  Dexter.   (Spectrum.)     3.00
Johnson, S: A collection of critical essays. Greene.  (Spectrum.)       2.25
Jordi,  Lisa  &  David.  Rubin.  (Ballatine.)   _      :  .50
Mayor of Casterbridge.   Hardy.  (St. Martin's.)    1.35
Moveable   Feast.   Hemingway.   (Bantam.)     .95
O'Neill.  Gelb.  (Dell.)                       -     -       .95
Pareto and Mosca.  Neisel. (Spectrum.)  2.95
Physical Methods for Determining Molecular Geometry. Brey.
(Reinhold.)       2.10
Political Awakening of Africa. Emerson. (Spectrum.)  2.25
Portrait of a Decade: the Second American Revolution. Lewis.
(Bantam.)         _     ..     _        .95
Road to Xanadu.  Lowes. (Sentry Ed.)               2.85
Shakespeare:  the Comedies.  Muir.  (Spectrum.)   _           2.25
Shaw: A Collection of Critical Essays.  Kaufman.  (Spectrum.)           2.25
Shelley: A Collection of Critical Essays. Ridenour. (Spectrum.)  2.25
Shorter Novels   of  Herman Melville.  (Premier.)  .60
Ten  Modern American Short Stories. Sohn. (Bantam.)  ' .50
Three  Jacobean  Tragedies.  Salgado.   (Penguin.)  1.25
Tutankhamen.  Desroches-Noblecourt.   (Doubleday.)    3.25
War for Independence.  Peckham. (U. of Chicago.)  _     _     _     1.75
Water  Beetle.  Mitford.  (Penguin.)                _     ^  .85
World's Best Contemporary  Short Stories.  (Ace Books.)  __ - .75
Wouldbegoods.   Nesbit.   (Puffin.)                                                       _ 1.00
Tuesday, November 23,  1965-
Intramural grid final
goes Thursday at noon
The final game of the 1965-66 football final will be
held Thursday noon in the stadium.
The semi-finals are to be held today with Alpha Delts
and Ramblers II playing off in one game and Law and
Fijis in the other.
The winners of these two games will meet in Thursdays final.
The final Intramural sport for the first term, tennis
singles, is also nearing an end, with games being held
every noon hour in the field house.
Policy not wrong?
Last weeks winners in Duplicate bridge were Dr. and
Mrs. H. Warren. Bridge will be played at 7:30 p.m.
Tuesday in the G.S.C. Lower Lounge.
The G.S.C. Dining Room will close one-half hour
early this Wednesday at 6:00 p.m., November 24.
Remember, Christmas cards with a picture of the
center on them are available at the Center office for
10 cents each or 12 for $1.00.
Recently there has been
much discussion concerning
the philosophy of the extramural sports program at UBC.
The present philosophy is
that facilities should be made
available whenever possible
for all those who wish to
If a reasonable number of
individuals are interested in
a sport it is included within
the   athletic   program.
This philosophy Is now being questioned.
fThere are those who advocate the elevation of one or
two sports to a level beyond
that of participation. They
seek what might be called
Basically they feel increased amounts of money will
tend to ensure better teams.
This position is taken, perhaps, without due consideration of what can be done with
sport operating within the
philosophy of participation.
Rugby is such a participant sport. The laws of the
game are designed to give the
player and not the spectator
maximum satisfaction even
though it is an exciting game
to watch.
As a result of the University's far-sighted maximum
participation program the
rugby team has been provided
with four full sized pitches
and excellent changing facilities.
The annual cost of this
sport is very low relative to
the numbers who participate
throughout both school terms.
Increased monies for such
things as boots for the players,
scholarships for promising
young players, and training
tables would not substantially
increase the calibre of the
Sport provides a pleasant
interlude in the otherwise
serious job of gaining an education.
Professionalism demands a
new orientation towards athletics,   and   that   orientation
Challenging positions for university graduates and summer
students are available in Western Canada.
Openings exist for graduates interested in the marketing
field and for summer students preparing for production
and marketing careers upon graduation.
Company representatives will be conducting interviews
On Campus on November 29th and 30th.
For further information please contact the student
employment office in the .       Personnel Building.
Molson's Western Breweries Limited shares in the
national Molson tradition — almost two centuries of
active involvement in the economic and social growth
of Canada.
MOLSON'S '^f^m^im^^i^m^/
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does not seem to be in the
best interests of this university.
Does a university become
known only by the number of
fans one or two sports can
draw? Does the university
'benefit' from these large
numbers of spectators?
I think not.
Universities are only benefited by direct and vigorous
student participation.
Apparently those in favor
of professionalization are
frightened by what our fledgling 'rival' from the hills,
Simon Fraser seems bent upon
Simon Fraser is setting to
out-Yank the Yankees.
Perhaps they will succeed.
I can only ask, so what?
So they may devolop 'American class' football and
basketball teams: again, so
They will have several
dozens of players and hundreds  of spectators.
I think it better that we
have hundreds of athletes and
dozens of spectators.
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Page Tl
Calgary's Dinos
upset hoopsters
UBC loses opener 69-64
to come third in tourney
CALGARY — The Thunderbird basketball team returned from Calgary's Dinosaur tournament with a disappointing third place finish.
A 66-45 victory over the
Golden Bears from Edmonton Saturday was little consolation after suffering a
69-64 overtime upset 'Friday
at the hands of the Dinosaurs from the University
of Alberta at Calgary.
The most distressing aspect of the loss was the way
it happened.
With 15 minutes remaining,
the 'Birds held a comfortable
17-point lead. Thereafter,
nothing went right.
• •      •
UBC gave up the ball continually mostly from bad
passing and shooting.
Bob Barazzuol, S te v e
Spencer and John Olsen
fouled out at the 16, nine
and five minute marks respectively.
With a minute left, UBC
was still clinging to a three-
point lead, but Calgary out-
scored the Birds 6-3 to tie
the game 61-61 in regulation
In the five minute overtime it was all Calgary.
Saturday, Birds, after
holding a 26-22 half time
margin, won going away.
* •     •
Alex Brayden was the only
standout, scoring 11 and 13
points in the two games
while at the same time rising
from his guard position to
out-rebound most of the forwards.
Carroll College defeated
Calgary to win the tournament.
On the home front, Jayvees looked very impressive
in rolling to a 119-39 victory over Royal Roads in a
Friday game at the Memorial Gym, and then securing
their hold on second place
in the Junior League with
an 86-61 victory over YMCA
. . . two men short
lose 8-3
The rugby Thunderbirds
were beaten 8-3 by the Kats
in the Tisdale Cup final at
Brockton Point Saturday.
Play was even throughout
the first half.
Each team scored an unconverted try, and both teams
relied on fine defensive play
to stop scoring drives.
In the second half, a bruising attack by the Kats forwards left the Birds reeling.
At one point Coach Brian
Wrightman's Birds were playing two men short.
Led by Ted Hunt, a former
UBC star, the Kats were constantly threatening. In the last
minute of the game Hunt's
up and under kicking resulted in a try under the goalposts.
The loss was the Birds' first,
in seven games. They have
tied one.
Braves meanwhile got into
the winning column by downing Richmond 31-0 on Richmond's home ground Saturday.
Totems handed Meraloma
Hi's their first defeat.
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—norm betts photo
HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL took over Varsity stadium Saturday when Killarney defeated Britannia 7-6 in the annual Vancouver and District inter-high championship.
UBC scouts and an unidentified trench-coat-clad type from The Hill were on hand to
give the potential college~~stars aTiard look.
Lifters throw
keep-fit meet
The UBC weightlifting
team will sponsor the UBC
keep-fit meet Sunday.
Weigh   in   at   12:15   p.m.
with the meet beginning fifteen minutes later.
All spectators and amateur lifters are welcome.
Any UBC student is eligible for a UBC meet record.
Coach Andrew Hinds will
be making his farewell appearance in the 148-pound
Feel left out?
Are you too light for football ?
Too short for basketball ?
Too weak for wrestling ?
Well,   then,   halfpint,   why
not come out as a coxswain on
the UBC rowing crew ? If you
weight less than 130 pounds,
coach Waynne Pretty wants
For details, contact crew
captain Bruce Jacks at AM 1-
8469 or manager George
Horwood at AM 1-4906.
Junior Year Abroad & Graduate Studies
at Sorbonne
Includes round trip flight New York-Paris Departing
Sept. '66 returns June '67. Share lovely apartment, two
meals daily plus all university fees.   Offer limited.
Write W. Mcintosh, Blaklocksvagen 20, Lidingo —
Stockholm, Sweden.
Alma Mater Society
CUSO Application Forms
Application forms for a position next September
through Canadian University Service Overseas are
now available at International House for anyone who
plans to graduate or receive some other degree or
diploma this year.
It is recommended that these should be filled out at
the earliest convenience in order that processing can
be facilitated and selection or placement made sooner
for the applicants own benefit
What do you want in a
company after graduation?
Graduates who've been out a few years say the important things to look
for in choosing a job are good training, an unrestricted chance to grow
in a solid, recognized company, income, early responsibility and a
stimulating environment where intelligence and enthusiasm are recognized. The points are not always in that order, but these are the main
ones. What, then, can Procter & Gamble offer you?
1 An outstanding record of individualized, on-the-job training.
2 Responsibilities and promotion based on a man's ability —
not seniority.
9 A growth company which controls 30% - 65% of all the major
product markets in which it competes; at least one of our
brands is in 95% of all Canadian households.
A Among other benefits, highly competitive salaries and profit
Obviously, you need to know facts before making an excellent choice
of your career. We'd like to tell you more about us. Descriptive brochures
are available at your Placement Office and company representatives will
visit for interviews on:
Monday, November 29th
Tuesday, November 30th
Wednesday, December  1st
for positions in
Tuesday, November 23,  1965
Frosh take on faculty
Frosh-faculty coffee party
sponsored by FUS, noon today
in Brock. All first-year students invited. Dr. John Macdonald will be guest of honor.
Compulsory general meeting
plus films on Italy. Bu. 204,
Wednesday noon.
• •      •
General meeting Wednseday
noon in Wes. 201. Course planning semiar Thursday 12:30 to
2:30 in Woodward Library Conference Room for those who
signed up.
Urgent. Return last year's
equipment, Wed. 7:30 at Women's Gym.
Dr. William Bahan on Human
Beings Incorporated, Wednesday noon in Bu. 221.
• •      •
Career Counselling Program,
Thursday noon in Bu. 201.
Panel discussion and seminars
covering all branches of engineering.
Spanish speaking today at
IH from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. Experts and coffee available.
Free film The city and the
Future in Lasserre 102 noon
• •      •
Esther Glazier, violin, and
Frances Adaskin, piano, play
Schoenberg's Phantasy and
Hofman's Sonata for Violin
Alone. Wednesday noon in Bu.
Cuban ambassador, Dr. Americo Cruz, speaks Wednesday
noon in Brock.
599   Seymour   -   Brentwood
and Park Royal
Ask about your student
Game    session    Wednesday
7:30 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. in Brock
T.V.   room.  Chess   lessons  for
beginners. Chess tournament.
Important meeting in Council Chambers, Brock Hall at
•     •     •
Constitutional meeting noon
today in Bu. 221.
Vancouver Symphony Orchestra under the direction of
Meredith  Davies   Thursday
noon.    A    contemporary    and
classical program.
Meeting noon today in Bu.
204. Miss Kaufmann and Miss
Young speak on the duties of
a dental assistant.
Meeting Wednesday noon in
Bu. 2205.
•      •      •
Meeting Wednesday noon in
Bu. 218 to organize Christmas
cocktail party.
Socialism is the Scourge of
the 20th century. Student-
faculty debate in Law building south, Wednesday noon.
Rales: 3 lines, 1 day. $.75—3 days, $2.00. Larger Ads on request
Non-Commercial Classified Ads are payable in Advance
Publications Office: Brock Hall, Ext. 26. 224-3242
Lost & Found
FOUND ADS inserted free. Publications office, Brock Hall. Local 26,
FOUND—Sterling silver ring (girl's),
made in Thailand, found near the
Geology Building. See Richard,
634   Salish   house,   Totem   Park.
FOUND—Broach in Bu Extension,
No. 19. Apply Ubyssey Adv., Brock.
.LOST—Brown briefcase with essential notes, area of 41st and Col-
lingwood. Finder please phone
Rex Eaton, AM 6-5022.
LOST—Wednesday, gold bloodstone
engraved ring. Please return to
Publications Office, Brock Hall.
Reward, case of ale.
LOST — Commerce 322, green Key
Tab notebook. Reward. Finder
call AM 1-4154 or come to Angus
LOST—A Croydon raincoat, brown
gloves in the pockets. Reward.
Finder call AM 1-4154 or come to
Angus   475.
„OST—Would the person who has
Doreen Tenerell's wallet please return the most urgently needed
identification! Ubyssey Adv. Office or return by mail.
FOUND—In Hut M10, slide rule and
lady's umbrella, Monday, November 22. Apply to Janitor, Aggie
is smoking my
leather-covered pipe. I lost it in
Brock Extension. It's my security
symbol.     Rick,   879-1387.
Special Notices
WHY PAY high auto insurance
rates? If you are over 20 and have
a good driving history you qualify
for our good, driving rates. Phone
Ted Elliott,  224-6707.
long on good health? Get our low
cost life insurance now. Enquire
12:30 Rm. 258 Brock, or phone TR
POETRY WANTED—Enclose stamped env. Idlewild Publishing Co.,
333 Frederick, San Francisco,
PLAN AHEAD. Dance to the Accents Friday night at Totem Park
from 9:00 to 1:00.
go to Totem Park Friday night for
a great dance with the Accents,
9:00 to 1:00.
POWDER skiiing, professional racing: See how it's done in Warren
Millar's best. 3 ski movies each
noon hour, Mon., Tues., Wed.,
Nov. 22-24. Aud. Coming soon—
Mammoth USED ski sale — Thur.,
No.  25, Buch.
DESPERATE! Skis, poles and
boots, pigmy size, cheap, wanted
immediately. Call Maryann, 684-
7797   evenings.
RIDE WANTED from Rossland back
to Vancouver on December 27 or
28. Will pay gas cost. Call Sheila
after 11.00 p.m., RE '3-5588. Must
have place for my skiis.
RIDE WANTED FOR 8:30 from 3616
Oxford near P.N.E. CY 8-5216,
RIDE WANTED from Deep Cove,
8:30 classes Monday to Friday,
starting in second term. Phone
Brian after 6:00 p.m.    224-1996.
RIDE WANTED for three girls,
Capilano Road area, after 8 p.m.,
Wednesdays. Contact Choral Society, BE 360, or leave message in
A.M.S.   mailbox.
RIDER WANTED for carpool leaving Ninth and Grand Boulevard.
2»orth Van.    Phone S88-8757.
Automobiles For Sale
1962 B.M.W. 700 SEDAN. Leaving
Canada, must sell, $450. Phone KO
733-1664  or  228-3872.
Call Nicky, 736-0762.	
1927   NASH—Vintage.      Phone    AM
1-2544 after 6 p.m.
1965 SUZUKI 80. 2000 miles. Windshield, 2 helmets. accessories.
Terms possible.    263-6370.
FOR SALE—1965 Volkswagen, 8000
ml., still as good as new. Ivory.
$1565. Mech. inspec. and test
drive  okay.    224-6867.	
1957 TR3, excellent mechanical condition, $695. Phone 261-1063 anytime.
1953 VAUHALL, excellent mechanical condition; new tires an* radio.
Low mileage. Best offer to $200.
Phone AM 6-6856 after 6 p.m.
Typewriters & Repairs 42
up. Also Typewriter repairs at
50 percent savings. Poison Typewriters, 2140 W. 4th. Phone RE
Help Wanted
with its policy of making employment available to students for part
time evening work—one or two
evenings a week. Students considering applying must have clean
driving record for use of Company
cars and be 21 years of age or
older. Contact Manager at the
Pizza Patio most convenient to
you after 5 p.m. Locations in Kerrisdale, South Van., Downtown
and West Van.
PS:   New outlet  coming  close  to
coaching in French at all levels.
Acadia Camp area. Phone 228-
Guitars, Gretch & Guild & Isabella Nylon Strings. Ward Music
Ltd. 412 West Hastings MU 2-
as    a    sideline    for   any    student.
Phone TR 6-6362.
Author's   agency.     767   Kingsway.
TAPE RECORDER: Phillips lall
transistor, eight reels of tape, accessories, carrying case, $90, an
excellent buy as the same set costs
$145 in town without tapes, case
or accessories.    RE 1-2270.
FOR SALE: Almost new Royal
Portable, pale blue; leather case.
Pargain at $65.00.    731-1730.
4608 West 10th Ave. Vacancy for 2
male students willing to share
back cottage with third student.
$25 per renter per month. References. Regulations. Phone 224-3328.
Immediate occupancy.
Room & Board
DEC. 1 OR AFTER XMAS if preferred: Attractive bedsit, rm. for
male student. Share bathrm. and
kitchen facilities with 2 other students. Use of laundry and TV. $45,
all incl.  AM 1-5059.
(limited supply only)
.-only 17.95
Popular popcorn knit. Reg. 19.95, reduced to 15.95
All purpose UBC sweater. Reg. 19.95, only 17.95
Tennis sweaters. Reg. 11.50, now only 8.50
Arts sweaters. Reg. 15.95, now only 13.95
PURSES reduced to 4.00
CARRY ALL BAGS now only 2.49
Plus these many ideal Xmas gift suggestions:
* Cuff links at the low, low price of 1.95 per set
*k Campus tie __~ . 2.50
-k Beer mugs, all sizes and colours 3.50-4.25
•k  Pewter Beer Mug only 8.49
^r Crested Zippo lighters 4.95
* UBC cuff links 3.95
* New UBC crest; olive, black, white, navy 2.95
* Umbrellas, both men's and ladies 3.65-6.95
College Shop will remain open until
December 15th to facilitate students'
Christmas shopping. ''
Remember this is YOUR College Shop. Come in and browse


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