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 THC UBYSSEY
Jolivet?
Vol. XLVIII, No. 26
VANCOUVER, B.C., FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1965
CA  4-3916
Summer hiring invalid
—norm betts photo
MUSES OF THE BENCH ponder evidence in student court before returning 6-1 ruling
Thursday that paying AMS councillors wages for society work during summer is unconstitutional.
B.C. Liberal head urges
liability  Lester to quit
A leading B.C. Liberal has
called for the resignation of
Prime Minister Lester Pearson
as leader of the Liberal party.
Lawrence Jolivet, president
of the B.C. liberal association,
said Thursday that Pearson
was a liability as a leader.
Speaking in a panel discussion in Brock, he said Pearson
"was damaged by the minority government he led before
the election.
"And as a result of the election, he should resign.
"It has been, in effect, a vote
of non-confidence in his leadership," said Jolivet.
He also criticized that his
party's platform of majority-
government was not a good
election issue.
"Only 18 per cent of the people could tell me what a majority government mean t",
said Jolivet.
BY CUS CO-EDS
Birth control ban
to be tested here
The Canadian Union of Students plans to test Canada's
birth control law. 	
Test cases on the ban on sale
of contraceptives were discussed at the western regional CUS
conference Nov. 12-13 in Calgary, UBC CUS president Ed
Lavalle said Thursday.
He said 50 druggists in Vancouver and Victoria are to be
approached by 50 single girls
and asked for contraceptives.
CUS will have asked the
druggists beforehand to agree
to the scheme.
"If there are any prosecutions, they will serve as a test
case for the contraceptive
laws," said Lavalle.
He didn't say when the plan
would be enacted.
Lavalle said the rest of Canada thought UBC's National
Student Day march was the
most successful and effective
thing put on in Canada.
The great thing that has
come out in the conference is
the growing awareness of students of all issues around
them," he said.
UBC CUS vice-president Terrell Popoff read a paper on the
forming of a provincial union
of student.
He said a meeting will be
held in Victoria between representatives from B.C. univer
sities, nursing schools and technical schools.
However, about 80 per cent
of the 150 persons he polled
were in favor of it, he said. .
The panel, sponsored by the
UBC Liberal club, conducted
a post mortem on the Nov. 8
federal election.
Panelist Dr. D. V. Smiley, of
the political science depart
ment, said he saw a further
weakening of the powers of
the federal government as a
result of the election.
"I think it was" an unnecessary election, and it was irre-
sponsibily called," said Smiley.
"It is hard to believe that
the Liberals will act any more
decisively now." he said.
Dr. Jean Laponce, also of the
political science department,
said he took an opinion poll
in the Vancouver Burrard riding that paralleled the errors
in national polls.
He said Conservatives who
punished the party vocally and
then voted for it and Liberals
who did not turn out were the
most probable reasons for the
errors.
Smiley said premier W. A.
C. Bennett probably interfered
in the election because the provincial premiers have the most
to gain by a minority government.
Jolivet said Bennett had
probably noticed an increase
in Social Credit support and
wanted credit for it.
He also warned that the increase in the NDP vote might
scare the Socreds into preparing for a provincial election.
"That is right.'
man.
said  Hynd-
":ETHICS VICTORY"
He went on to make a distinction between the work
done  during  the summer.
In an interview after the
hearing Coleman said: "It's a
victory for ethics in government. Student leadership is
unaware of ethics."
Coleman pointed out the
councillors voted themselves
the salaries with only the interested parties present.
"NO RAILROAD"
"Future councillors will
have to be made aware of the
court decision so that they cannot be railroaded into unethical resolutions," he said.
Hyndman said, "While I am
disappointed in the result, I
want to pay tribute to a fair
and competent court.
"It is interesting to see that
the court's decision represents
an interpretation of fact and
not law."
Paid councillors
stopped by court
By  PAT   HRUSHOWY
Student Court Thursday ruled unconstitutional the hiring of elected Alma Mater Society officers to do council
work in the summer.
The seven-member court
brought down 6-1 ruling after
15 minutes of deliberation.
Gordon Galbraith, graduate
studies III, cast the dissenting
vote.
COLEMAN CHARGE
The hearing arose out of first
year law student Mike Coleman's charge that the AMS
could not pay student executives to work in their elected
offices during the summer.
Five AMS executives have
been hired during the last two
summers at $400 a month each
— an estimated cost to the
AMS of $7,200.
In 1964 then-president Roger
McAfee, and treasurer Kyle
Mitchell worked for four
months.
In 1965, president Byron
Hender worked for four
months, and co-ordinator
Grame Vance and treasurer
Mike Sommers for one month
each.
NO REPAYMENT
McAfee was also paid for
four months in 1965 as Student
Union Building chairman.
The B.C. Corporation Manual makes provision for directors obtaining funds in an unconstitutional manner. The
directors are required to pay
back the money.
Student court ruled, however, that the executives concerned were not liable to pay
back  their earnings.
TWO-HOUR  SESSION
In a two-hour session, AMS
counsel Peter Hyndman, law
III, and petitioner Coleman exchanged arguments before the
court and 50 students.
Coleman argued against
Hyndman's contention that
AMS executives were not acting in their elected offices during the   summer.
He said executives were
elected for the whole year including the summer.
"OTHER  WAYS"
"In the past the president
has worked for buildings and
grounds so he would be available for AMS business," he
said.
"If the constitution needs
amendment there are ways to
do it other than by a council
resolution."
Chief justice B. V. Slutsky,
law III, asked Hyndman: "Are    AMS   CO-ORDINATOR  Gra-
you  conceding that  the  AMS    eme   Vance from
cannot hire the president to new stadium construcfion
act as president during the site presently covered by
summer? small  lake. Page 2
THE      UBYSSEY
Friday,   November   19,   1965
BOMBING BLASTED
California critic
kicks Viet policy
Three hundred and fifty students paid 25 cents each
Thursday noon to hear Michael Myerson blast U.S. policy
in Viet Nam.
PAT HRUSHOWY
.  . ghost hunting
Ubyssey to tackle
thumping stumper
The Ubyssey, defender of student interests, has decided
to step in and solve the mystery of the pounding noises in
North Brock basement.
Myerson, a Ph.D. student
from Berkeley University in
California, quoted from a pamphlet issued by a study group
of the World Federalists of
Canada.
He labeled the government
of South Viet Nam a creation
of the United States, a military dictatorship which does
not represent the people of
Viet Nam.
"The Viet Cong represents
a popular movement in opposition to American military
rule in South Viet Nam," he
said.
Myerson condemned American bombing of villages suspected to be sympathetic to the
Viet Cong.
"TThese raids are acts of aggression against a country with
whom the United States is not
at war."
If the U.S. really wants to
stop the war in military at-
stop the war, let the Vietnamese
negotiate a peace settlement
without outside interference."
Myerson's appearance was
sponsored by the Special
Events Committee.
The decision came Thursday
after Alma Mater Society officials refused to investigate the
noises reported by several coeds this week.
Ubyssey editor Tom Way-
man Thursday blasted AMS officials for not taking action in
the case.
"These poor girls have been
terrorized and yet the AMS, as
usual does nothing. Must The
Ubyssey solve everybody's problems?"
Intrepid reporter, Pat Hrush-
Java meet slated
for  frosh,  profs
A coffee party in Brock
Will bring together frosh and
faculty noon Thursday.
The frosh undergraduate
society is sponsoring the free
meeting of about 200 professors and 500 students.
The frosh executive will be
\ introduced and classics head
Dr. Malcolm McGregor will
speak.
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owy, was assigned to investigate the strange noises.
"I will stay in the North
Brock stair well until I have
located the source of the
noises," Hrushowy said.
Meanwhile, more reports of
the noises came from terrified
co-eds.
"We couldn't tell where the
thumping was coming from,"
said Mary Bell, science II, "it
seemed to be all around us."
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Mr. MacKay will speak on
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THE
UBYSSEY
Page 3
—Joe varesi  photo
SHEUA ENDERSBE AND TIM FORTY
. . . pinned and tanked
Rivals unite to cool
inter-faculty mixer
Science students and engineers joined forces Thursday
when each thanked a member of their own undergraduate
society in the library pond.
Acid incident
witnesses
still sought
The engineering undergraduate society is still looking for
evidence regarding acid throwing at Oct. 21 teacup football
game.
"As of noon Thursday, no
new information has been
forthcoming," said Peter Hyndman, chairman of the discipline committee.
"We have some information
including names," said EUS
president Art Stevenson, "but
we are still looking for witnesses.
Sheila Endersbe, science I,
was charged with "unscience-
like activities" and was thrown
into the pond twice by two
sciencewomen.
The unscience-like activities
included "being pinned to an
engineer and telling science
secrets to engineers."
The engineers then co-operated in'the stunt by tanking Miss
Endersbe's engineer friend,
Tim Forty, eng. III.
The sciencemen then added
Miss Endersbe to the pond for
the third time.
Amid clapping sciencemen
and engineers, Forty and Miss
Endersbe kissed, then walked
away arm in arm.
Science undergraduate president Dave Williams referred to
the incident as another step
forward towards friendly rivalry between the two groups.
U.S. foreign policy gets
UBC seminar once-over
American foreign policy gets the once-over at a one-
day extension department seminar Saturday at UBC.
Speakers include Dr. John Conway, professor Mark
Zacher, and Dr. K. J. Holsti, of UBC, and Dr. Laurence
Evans from Simon Fraser Academy.
Student registration fee is $3 at the extension department.
Gateway opens crusade
for advertising freedom
EDMONTON (CUP-UNS) —
The University of Alberta student newspaper, The Gateway,
launched its campaign Thursday for freedom to determine
its own advertising policy.
Editor Don Sellar presented
a brief to the university committee on student affairs asking support in his fight against
an Alberta Liquor Control
Board refusal to permit The
Gateway to carry liquor advertising.
• •      •
The ALCB turned down a
Gateway application earlier
this week, despite the recent
lifting of restriction on liquor
advertising in newspapers and
periodicals in Alberta.
The Gateway is a semi-
weekly of 8,300 circulation.
The application was refused
on the grounds The Gateway is
a publication designed primarily to serve student interests.
"Also, the Board of Governors of U. of A. have expressed
views against liquor advertising in The Gateway," said
ALCB chairman A. D. Elliott.
• •      •
At its Oct. 29 meeting, the
U. of A. student council passed a motion allowing liquor
advertising in The Gateway.
At the meeting provost A. A.
Ryan, an administration
spokesman, said: "The board of
governors is not anxious for
liquor advertising to appear in
the paper.
"However, the board has not
exerted any pressure on the
ALCB to make such a decision." Elliott, Liquor chief,
said, "This is our own decision.
According to the Liquor Advertising Code the manufacturer
may advertise in daily newspapers, weekly papers, magazines, and periodicals."
• •      •
"We are seeking legal advice—we do not intend to accept a decision which has no
legal basis," said editor Sellar.
"This newspaper falls under
one of the categories listed in
the advertising code and I see
no reason why we should not
be allowed to carry liquor advertising.
EVEN AD HOCCERS
Critics eligible
for valedictorian
UBC's valedictorian can
president John Macdonald —
hoc committee.
All he has to do is look good
and impress the audience, grad
council chairman Keith Brima-
combe said Thursday at the
council's first meeting.
Discussion was sparked by
William Soon, social work's
representative, who asked if
candidates might be ruled out
because of participation in "unorthodox" activities like the ad
hoc committee.
"He can even be a Communist," said Brimacombe.
"He can slam the president
and the board of governors if
he likes," said Robert Harris,
engineering representative.
"We don't really care."
Candidates are proposed by
faculty deans and screened by
a grad council committee.
Final choice is made by a
vote of the entire grad class.
be a  Communist,  a  critic  of
or even a member of the ad
BIRDS' AL MEMO, will lead
UBC's defence tonight and
Saturday against U. of Alberta (Calgary) Dinos in
first inter-collegiate hockey
series of season at Winter
Sports Centre at 8:30 p.m.
each night.
McGill may or may not,
hop in with UGEQ group
MONTREAL (CUP) — An open meeting of the McGill
Students' Society voted Nov. 16 to hold a referendum
Dec. on whether to support the council's decision to join
the Union Generale des Etudiants du Quebec.
The meeting, attended by about 450 students, de-
feaated a second motion inviting the executive to stay on
should the referendum go against them.
Sharon Sholzberg, president of the council, said in a
telephone interview she is not sorry the second resolution
was defeated.
She said she has every intention of resigning should
the student body vote against joining UGEQ.
"If I have misjudged student feeling so completely
I would have no choice but to resign," she added.
UBYSSEY CLASSIFIED ADS GET  RESULTS mmnsir
Published Tuesday, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the university
year by the Alma Mater Society, University of B.C. Editorial opinions
expressed arc those of the editor and not necessarily those of the AMS
or the University. Editorial office, CA 4-3916. Advertising office, CA 4-3242,
Loc. 26. Member Canadian University Press. Founding member, Pacific
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Winner Canadian University Press trophies for general
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FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 1965
"Nobody shoots at a dead duck"
-W. A. C.  Bennett, Nov. 5, 1965
The AM mess
That noise you are hearing is us eating our own
words.
In this corner was Goliath Hyndman, the AMS'
golden-tongued counsel, and president of the law students association.
And in that corner was David Coleman, lowly ex-
wheel and first year law student (albeit for the second
time).
But when the smoke cleared, there we were eating
up all those nasty things we thought about Coleman's
chances for success.
And there was Coleman, clutching the student
court decision that the hiring of AMS officials for the
summer was unconstitutional.
And carefully avoiding saying "I told you so."
For, indeed Mr. Coleman pointed out as early as last
April that hiring that potential bridge hand of Messers.
Hender, Sommers, McAfee, etc. was not quite cricket.
And, ducking the scorn that was heaped high on
him, he has finally plunged through to a smashing vindication of his belief in legal redress for a wrong decision
by a government.
' The only question is, what does it all mean?
Student court says that the unconstitutional freeloaders won't have to put their loot back into the AMS
treasury, which is probably a fair decision since these
unconstitutional free-loaders might have been able to
get a constitutional summer job if they hadn't been
working for the AMS.
All it means to us, then, is a shake of the head with
hindsight over the organization's failure to somehow
or other decide about hiring before the summer, and a
shudder for the future of the AM mess.
JFK: 2 years
For Nov. 22, 1965: >
"... "It will be confessed by all men, that this
one man's example and personal respect did not only
encourage Learning and Honour in the Schools but
brought the affection and true use thereof both into the
Court and Camp ...
"... For to this active spirit of his, all depths of
the devil proved but shallow fords; he piercing into
men's counsels and ends, not by their words, oaths, or
compliments, all barren in that age, but by fathoming
their hearts and powers, by their deeds, and found no
wisdom where he found no courage, nor courage with
out wisdom, nor either without honesty and truth . . .
"... Neither am I — for my part — so much in
love with this life, nor believe so little in a better to
come, as to complain of God for taking him, and such
like exorbitant worthiness for us: fit — as it were by an
ostracism — to be divided, and not incorporated with our
corruptions:
"Yet for the sincere affection I bear to my Prince
and country, my prayer to God is, that his worth and
way may not fatally be buried with him."
— from Sir Fulke Greville's eulogy for
Sir Phillip Sidney, 1652.
"Let me only say that experience is a great teacher."— Byron Hender, from his report
to council outlining his actions this year.
LETTERS  TO  THE   EDITOR
Down with nasty, noisy campus
EDITOR: Tom  Wayman
Associate George Reamsbottom
News Ron   Riter
City        Al    Donald
Photo       Norm   Betts
Spor';s   Ed  Clark
A»3't  News    Dan   Mullen
       Richard   Blair,   Robbi   West
Ass't City    Danny Stoffman
Page   Friday       John    Kelsey
Managing Ian   Cameron
Features Mike    Bolton
CUP Don    Hull
Working types Thursday were
Derick Blackie, Anne Balf, Sue
Oranxby, Bill Graff, Karen Wet-
more, Pat Hrushowy, Doug Hal-
verson, Dick Taylor and Fearson
(hi there) Whitney. If there's anybody missing, blame your bloody
slack  city editor.
Editor,  The   Ubyssey,   Sir:
What all sensible city and
municipal councils vigorously
prohibit on their noisy cluttered streets, we the inhabitants of a supposedly intellectual and sensitive community, apathetically permit on
our campus boulevards and
malls.
The most repugnant form
of commercial huckstering
rears its shameful head every
day at noon and issues forth
its obscene gutteral noises.
Pimply-faced boys with
long greasy hair and old
beat-up cars have found that
they can raise cigaret money
by mounting a loudspeaker
on  a car roof.
They imlpose themselves
from behind windows on all
those students who wish to
enjoy our incomparably
beautiful campus from outside  the  classroom.
Their message is usually
clumsily phrased and is always shrieked at an audio
level which would be offensive to all but the most insensitive living things.
These inconsiderate b — s
befoul the air every day with
information of interest to
only a very small segment of
the campus population.
They advertise anything
f-om mediocre hypnotists to
dance-parties at the student
residences.
It is hard to imagine that
our very potent AMS council
would condone this activity
if they were aware of it.
One can only assume that
they are too busy opposing
past and future fee increases
to be concerned with campus
se renity.
At the same time, President
Macdonald, who is forever
setting a responsible example
for the student body, is prob-
ebly so busy trying to find
a   responsible   means,   other
than expedient fee increases,
to finance his grand design,
that even he cannot find time
for concern over silence during that part of the day when
even his jack-hammers are
stilled.
So it's  Tuum Est.
Either the students make
their feelings known on this
blatant infringement on their
right to freedom from offensive noise or soon the hucksters and peddlers will have
loudspeakers in every itree
and billboards at fifty-foot
intervals along the malls.
GRAD STUDIES
PLUTOCRATS
Editor, The Ubyssey, Sir:
Shall we take it, then, that
the pro-fee plutocrats will
double their second term fees
in protest?
MR. & MRS. DENNIS KREBS
Arts III, Education III
Poor, but rational
•      •      •
FREEDOM NOW?
Editor,  The   Ubyssey,  Sir:
I was shocked to discover
the influence totalitarism has
had on parliament procedure
and democracy at UBC.
Has the secret ballot gone
by the boards? True, no-one
noticed the shocking display
at the polling booths last Wednesday, but it is just that sur-
reptitiousness which makes
the act more repulsive.
At the poll at Brock South
constituency, the numbered
ballots were being matched
with numbers on the voting
list, so that all a member of
the ruling Brock junta needed
to do to find an offender was
consult the name beside the
corresponding ballot number
on the list.
Is freedom to go unlament-
ed? Are we students to remain
silent on this important issue?
Students of UBC, unite. You
have nothing to lose but . . .
FREEDOM FIGHTER
•      •      •
TSK, TOILETS
Editor,  The   Ubyssey,  Sir:
The campus clowns have
done it again.
This time it's collecting
toilet seats. How peculiar.
Such radical tendencies must
surely be indicative of the
character of EUS members.
There are only two reasons
for collecting toilet seats:
1) There is something on
the seats that is worth the effort of taking them from
every campus toilet.
2) They want to make sure
everyone else is as full of it
as themselves.
DEREK STUART
Science IV
YAY,  TODAY
Editor, Thee Ubyssey, Sir:
Congratulations! You've produced a readable editorial on
"tygers".
I must admit it's a trifle
shattering to be considered a
senile "man of yesterday" at
the tender age of 22, but
nevertheless, your editorial
was coherent, which was more
than I'd expected.
Perhaps I shouldn't ask for
more—indeed, it is only with
utmost timidity that I humbly
point out that the said editorial unfortunately missed the
point entirely.
For I heartily agree with
you that "tygers" fighting for
honest and effective government are vital to the democratic process on campus.
I see no purpose in destructive personal criticism which
offers an alternative in the
area of policy, but I greatly
favour constructive criticism.
As long as the tiger's wrath
is vented for a constructive
purpose, I'm for the tiger!
MIKE COLEMAN
Law I ^^.^^k^'^^^j
INVIDIOUS: — Forty
cars parked in Marine
Drive's two-hour zone
above Fort Camp were littered with $5 blue slips
Thursday. Culprits were
the campus RCMP, but our
traffic office informant disclosed the deed was done
at Ouvry Robert's instigation.
Traffic czar Robert's
hunger for parking power
over UBC serfs and vassals is exceeded only by
the administration's hunger for their cash. Marine
used to be free parking
until an eager-beaver admin type noticed UBC was
losing about $200 revenue
EVERY YEAR because
sneaky students parked on
Marine rather than in
UBC's 75-cent-a-day pay
lots or the $5-a-slot swamps
in the campus hinterlands.
• •      •
INTREPID: —  The   Ad
Hoc Committee lives on
and multiplies at its Tenth
and Alma Advance Mattress headquarters. A dozen
Ad Hoccers (there used to
be only seven) rented the
premises to start a think
club and coffee house.
• •      •
INSIGHT:    —    Ex-UBC
Liberal Club prexy Ron
Basford, now Vancouver
Burrard MP elect, is on
another foreign mission for
the PM.
This time Basford
is off to the Commonwealth Parliamentarians
Conference. When Pearson
finally hangs up his baseball mitt, External Affairs
Minister Martin is a likely
for PM. We think Basford
is being groomed for the
foreign post. That'll be a
lot of grooming — Bas-
ford's so bald his head
shines in the dark.
• •      •
IN PAYOLA: — Campus'
rock 'n rollers Guy Sobell
and the Chessmen are big
stuff again. Their latest
cut, Love Didn't Die, is
threatening to be an even
bigger hit than their last
smash The Way You Fell.
The new hit is a C-FUN
twin pick hit and is rapidly
moving up the C-Funtastic
50 charts. Funny thing, C-
FUN D-J and program editor Red Robinson is producer for the Chessmen's
local cuts.
•      •      •
INFANCY: — After last
Friday's Totem tippler, a
campus mover asked the
girl he was taking home
if she was a frosh. After
being told she didn't know
what a "frosh" was, the
mover decided she was still
in high school. Are you in
grade XII?" he asked,
somewhat unnerved. She
innocently replied that she
was in grade X.  Campus
movers should tread lightly at dorm bashes — and
stay out of jail.
•     o     •
INCEST: ►- Warped
members of the grade
three law group are furnishing their lounge with
pictures of distorted women. Seven femmes for 300
guys, it's a frustrated faculty.
Also Worped are frosh
lookers Ursula Shaffer and
Linda Hamilton, both 18,
who were cover girls on
Weekend Magazine last
week.
• •       •
INPOLITICO: — Remember that secret scoop
dished out by Arts Pres
Chuck Campbell? It was
lifted from The Ubyssey
office by shifty Presidential Aspirant I and was
shown to Elder Statesman
Ed Lavalle. And while
Presidential Aspirant I was
begging Campbell to retract his statement before
press-time, Elder Statesman
was busy photostating the
scoop. Elder Statesman
needs it to expose Campbell if he decides to run
against Presidential Aspirant I. Looks like Chuck
really threw himself to
the snakes.
• •      •
INTOLERANCE: Special
events whiz kid Murray
Farr had a hopping mad
French-Canadian folksing-
er on his hands Wednesday.
Jean-Pierre Ferland took
exception to his advertising posters being jestingly
footnoted with expressions
alluding to little green animals that grow up from
tadpoles and the dispute
over (lack of) Eskimo
rights in Quebec.
After Ferland stopped
hopping and did his show
he and his three Canadian
confreres had made $11
each on their agreed split
of the gate receipts.
Word is out that their
Western Canada tour is
flhopping all over.
• •      •
INTIMATE: — Housing
authorities decided to loosen restrictions on love-
making at Lower Mall.
Now girls can enter men's
lounges for necking sessions. But with one pro-
vison — two boys must be
present, the partner and
a chaperone.
• •     •
INCAMERA: — Science
Prez Dave Williams went
on the rounds with a couple of buddies before Monday's council meeting. Between 4 and 8 p.m.,
Dave allegedly sloshed
down 41 beer. Despite an
effort by his buddies to imprison him, he finally staggered into the meeting. Nobody even noticed . Too
bad Dave — all for naught.
Friday, November  19,  1965
THE      UBYSSEY
Page 5 pi
Where IS God, Mr. Jackson?
NOV.  19, 1965
ON THE COVER: a plug for
Larry Kent's new movie, When
Tomorrow Dies. Kent says it's
sexy. He also says there are
no campus showings scheduled
as yet — so far, it opens for at
least two weks at the Lyric
on  Nov.  24.
Editor:   John Kelsey
Current affairs  -   -  Steve Brown
Science, the   arts Al Francis
Drawings-
Arnold   Saba,   Brett   Smaill
Jeff   Wall
Some things we
thought we'd mention:
The men's can at
Primo's is a gas/ so far
this year, there's been no
new restaurants opened
on campus/ our laundry not only puts too
much starch jn our shirt,
it keeps tearing the right
cuff off/ Wesbrook hospital cuisine is known
throughout the gourmet
world for its excellence
and for its extravagance.
We recently sat three
tables away from Howie
Bateman. impressario, in
the Sportsman cafe. Also
present were several
members of the fourth
estate and several rising
young lights in the Van-
c o u v e r entertainment
world whom Ave think
you should keep in mind
for your next blast/
watch this space for further revolting developments about the Chessmen/ we live at home
and our mother hates us/
we don't understand hippies because they don't
work for a living and
only perhaps wash.
Robson is a great street/
especially the pasta at
Jerry Di Salvo's Italian
Village/ I was getting
fresh with a friend (girl)
there and got pastad in
the mouth/ we like oysters raw/ when we were a
kid, we shined shoes outside Alex Louie's Marco
Polo/ where have the
bootblacks of yore gone?/
the new in-thing is taking
your girl for a bus-ride/
we're sending our secretary to see the Rolling
Stones with our cartoonist.
We're in love with our
art critic, who tells us
big words to say about
paintings all the time/
billiards at the YMCA
downtown is becoming almost like corned beef,
milkshakes and singers
like the Animals/ that
is how it is to be 22 and
"bald  .  .  .
pf 2wo
Rev. Alan Jackson has
been UBC's Anglican chaplain  since June,  1964.
Previously, he held six
parishes in Saskatchewan
and B.C. and has studied
theology at St. Chad's and
Harvard.
Here, Mr. Jackson talks
with Page Friday's Pat Hor-
robin.
PF: Father Jackson, we'd
like to start off by discussing
your statement that there is
no supreme being. What do
you feel God is, or is there a
God at all?
JACKSON: Well, it's very
difficult to answer this sort
of question,
"Is there a
G o d ?", because there
are inherent
kinds of difficulties in the
wording o f
I the question
HORROBIN itself. As a
Christian, I would say we
only know God as he reveals
himself. For the Christian,
of course, this supreme revelation is in the person of
Jesus  Christ.
PF: And yet you say there
is no supreme being.
JACKSON:  Yes.
PF:   Well,   what   do   you
mean    by    supreme    being
then?
JACKSON: That Jesus
Christ didn't play the part
of a supreme being and if
he is the revelation of God,
as Christians believe him to
be, he in no sense had control of everything.
He didn't speak and behave as if he had the whole
of the universe and everything in the universe connected to himself with a
series of strings. He didn't
have control of everything
in the universe and it would
seem to me to mean that
God is not a supreme being.
I think the view of a supreme being is that God has
control  over  everything.
And to me it's perfectly
obvious any view of God
that's ever been held leaves
big holes all over the place,
inasmuch as it seems that
God doesn't have control of
everything.
So if there is a God, we
can't speak of him as being
a  supreme  being.
PF: This leaves quite a
bit of responsibility up to
the individual as to what he
does in the world, since
there is no-one to whom he
can pass on the blame, there
is no overseeing God who is
responsible.
JACKSON: Right. The
French writer Albert Camus
was an atheist, and the reason he was an atheist was
because he felt traditional
Christian theism robbed man
of the responsibility and
freedom which was man's
lot in the world.
PF: You have said that the
father figures, the authoritarian figures are dead in this
area. What implications do
you think this has in politics,
in the family — how would
you expand on this?
JACKSON: I would say in
those areas the implication
is the development of political and social awareness
among students in the universities.
PF: You say political and
social. What types of social
awareness do  you  see?
JACKSON: It seems to me
that students no longer are
prepared to allow adults to
structure society, that they
want to have something to
say about the structuring of
it themselves.
Students are, I think, rebelling against the kind of
social attitudes a lot of
adults have and I think the
rise of the beatniks, the hip
group, the far-out left, the
new left, are all indications
that students feel there are
other quite valid social attitudes besides those which
adults regard as safe.
After all, the pressure of
students is becoming much
more apparent in social life
and why shouldn't there be
a vast variety of social attitudes which we can tolerate
and which we can look upon
with sympathy. There's
nothing inherently wrong,
immoral, about people growing beards, wearing different styles of clothing. As a
matter of fact, there's nothing inherently wrong about
people going without clothes
at all.
It's highly questionable
whether a lot of social attitudes really have any moral
basis at all. They're a part of
*■*> $**•"
"Christ
represents
the death
of God"
custom, wont, tradition; but
in themselves are really
quite relative.
PF: You don't feel, as
some people might, that any
change in the status quo will
lead to anarchy, to lawlessness?
JACKSON: No, not at all.
For instance, someone recently made the comment
that if a present-day Conservative from England were
to come across to Canada he
would probably find that the
New Democratic Party was
much more representative
of where he stoo d politically
than the Progressive Conservative Party. This can
actually lead to a deeper and
wider sense of responsibility
rather than anarchy. I think
that science itself would
have- never progressed in
any way if someone had
said, "Well, now, this is
dangerous."
JACKSON
PF: It WAS said for a
while.
JACKSON: Yes — you
see? It seems to me there
are just as great varieties of
political awareness, of political structures which are
possible and the same thing
applies to society.
Now if we could just go
back for a moment to this
business of the father figure
—I don't think we in any
sense now see ourselves patterning ourselves on what
our fathers were like. Or
necessarily on what adults
are like.
I think students in particular see themselves developing new styles of life and
the styles of life which they
are, I think, developing is
one which arises in a certain
situation and has a certain
validity for them in the
situation.
But they don't intend to
make any kind of ideology
out of their style of life, nor
to look for an ideology to
back it up.
PF: Do you think that
society in general, the larger
adult society, is going to accept them on their own
terms?
JACKSON: Well, I think
there are some (adults) who
will because there are some
adults who see students as
part of the adult world.
There are some who—whenever students begin to express an opinion or to do
something which adults don't
regard as being safe — put
pejorative statements out,
such as, "Don't be infantile,"
or "Learn to be responsible."
PF: "Responsible" to
whom, is always an interesting question.
JACKSON: Exactly. That
is, should students be responsible so adult attitudes
will in no sense be questioned, threatened, or disturbed? It's not that fathers
are no human beings and not
worthy of respect. But they
are only worthy of the respect which should be accorded to all human beings.
PF: You have said, we
understand, that God is what
is inside a person and What
is between you and other
people. Would you elaborate?
JACKSON: That is difficult to say in so many
words. Certainly God as we
see him in the Bible is the
god of a people. They are
called a chosen people. Now,
this doesn't mean they are
a favored people because I
think the Old Testament
pretty well indicates they
are anything but favored.
They were his people and he
was known in and by his
people — and he was known
by what he did.
PF: If he's not supreme,
how far does he stretch?
JACKSON: Right. Exactly.
If he's not supreme, how far
does he stretch . . . Now this
is a very difficult area, to
talk about God, and there
are some people who think
that the language about God
is so difficult that we can't
talk about him at all.
This is one of the difficulties of the theologian today,
and particularly that group
called the Death of God
theologians — whose basic
question is "How can we
talk about God at all today?"
PF: Would you put your-
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self in that school?
JACKSON: I am not a
professional theologian, and
the only way I could describe myself would be that
I'm a student of theology
and theological concerns. I
think I would say I have
considerable sympathies for
this particular school of
theology.
PF: What becomes the
status of Jesus Christ in this
school of theology?
JACKSON: To some extent, Jesus Christ represents
the death of God, in that he
died forsaken on a cross,
outside the city walls, on the
city's garbage heap. The person who was seen by some
as being the son of God dies
an ignominious death. He
dies forsaken by God, because the words attributed
to him while he is dying are,
"My God, my God, why
have you forsaken me?"
Well, this cry of dereliction from the cross seems to
indicate that he was completely forsaken by his God.
Does not the crucifixion indicate that in this sense, in
human experience, there is
a death of God?
PF: And yet what Christ
did was offer himself up for
his fellows. Anyway (JACKSON: Yes.) in spite of the
fact there was no one behind
him ot make good his hope
of being salvation for all of
us. He took this step anyway. Now how would you
extend this to what the
ordinary person should do in
in this day and age who also
does not have a god behind
him?
JACKSON: When you say,
"God behind him" what I
believe you're Saying is that
God is seen as some kind of
substance underlying things
or beyond things or giving
meaning to the world.
PF: Taking the responsibility.
JACKSON: Taking the
responsibility   —
PF: Away from you.
JACKSON: Away from
you — Well, in this sense
God IS dead.
PF: The responsibility is
yours —
JACKSON: The responsibility is ours. And perhaps
man's secular understanding
is really freeing man to accept his responsibilities more
deeply all the time.
PF: And you think this
will have definite reverberations in contemporary life,
in political and social life?
JACKSON: Well, I would
hope it would. The difficulty
I see is the development of
technology, of our scientific
self-understanding and of
the scientific way of looking
at things — the ernormous
number of things which we
are able to do — is going
ahead at such an enormous
speed, but our political and
social awareness seems to be
lagging so far behind.
The difficulty I see is that
we may take flight into
some mythological understanding of man as the Nazis
did in Europe in order to
deal with the situation because the situation was so
threatening and so incredibly complex.
This tribal understanding
of man sees man as finding
the meaning for his life and
existence in his tribe and in
his tribal function. We live
in a pluralistic society —
we must recognize that our
understanding of ourselves
and our commitments are
diverse, that it is not now
possible to have one single
kind of commitment which
gives meaning to all other
commitments.
We have to be prepared
to accept responsibility in
many and diverse areas and
we, I should like to suggest,
"the Church
is mostly
irrelevent"
are being called away from
the kind of god who is seen
as giving absolute validity
to commitments we make.
None of the commitments
we make are absolute or
ultimate — they are provisional commitments only.
They are very diverse.
PF: Do you think the
church today is relevant to
people's lives? Your church?
JACKSON: A great deal
of what the church is doing
today is irrelevant to the
social and political develop'
ments which are taking
place in the human enterprise. There are small areas,
small pockets here and
there, where there is some
relevance an d this relevance
is seen in the parts where
both laymen and clergy are
entering.
I could mention, for instance, the novelist Alan
Paton (Cry, the Beloved
Country) of South Africa
who is an Anglican Christian and who has opposed
apartheid; the archbishop of
South Africa, Joost de Blank
has been a committed and
ardent supporter of racial
equality.
There are clergy like Martin Luther King — he's not
an Anglican, but a Baptist—
who have given dynamic
leadership in the Christian
community. What I would
like to say is that the
church, like most institutions, is extremely conservative and it has been very
paternalistic.
My suggestion is that the
church will have to radically change in order to be at
all meaningful to the way
man is understanding himself today.
PF: Will it have to change
in doctrine or in approach?
JACKSON: The approach
to man, I believe, will have
to be different.
PF: But is the old doctrine valid? To get back to
the Christian Church idea of
Christ as divine — is this
still relevant?
JACKSON: I think it's
relevant. As soon as a person
makes a statement, 'Does the
Church believe that Jesus
Christ is divine?' one then
has to examine what one
means by divine.
As soon as we sort out
the meaning of the word
divine, we can begin to talk
intelligently about this. I
would say orthodox Christianity is incredibly relevant but it has to be related
to the situation in which
man is, and this is what the
Church is failing to do. The
Church could be relevant.
PF: What aspects of North
American life do you see as
aspects of a possible growing tribal interpretation of
society?
JACKSON: I would see
this as portrayed in Life
Magazine, and in publications like Life, which seek
to undergrid the traditional
tribal view of women, for
instance.
Barry Goldwater is another example of an attempt
to develop a kind of tribal-
What may be described
as the American Way of
Life is an indication of this
type of tribalism.
PF: Would you put a value
on this tribalism—is it good
or bad?
JACKSON: My opinion is
that to revert to tribalism
in an atomic age is simply
to revert to the past, to deny
the human enterprise in
terms of the development
of the scientific tradition and
I am not prepared to do this.
Silent in Peking,
by eye and camera
By AL HARVEY
Sign language, coupled
with facial expressions,
seems universally understood. The appropriate gestures enabled me to find a
cheap boarding house in the
ghettoes of Peking. It was a
drab grey, three-storey building filled to capacity with
transient laborers and permanent cockroaches.
People were extremely
friendly though somewhat
suspicious — Europeans are
rarely seem on the streets in
China. "Canadians" are almost unheard of.
This hovel
was only a
ten minute
walk from
the immense
city square.
E x travagant
rallies are
HARVEY p e riodically
held there with the government leaders addressing the
masses from Tien An Men—
the gate of heavenly peace.
This gate leads into the
Forbidden City, so named because these palace grounds
were forbidden to all but the
high  officials  until  Libera-
Farewell Angelina
By WARD FLETCHER
"o. 0,0,0
Folk Pop
it is too mundane, so plain"
said the man
you have addressed yourself
to.
he has sugar carmel sickness
the record man
the dead record man
the "poison pellet"
who understands dogma
reports sent from
library congress of americr.
forget him
I will."
Farwell Angelina, Joan
Beez's latest release has a
powerful moving effect. So
that anyone who is ignorant
enough to call it folk pop
had better get ready to take
his Time magazine with him
and prepare his own house
where he can live with dogma and definition.
In the space of six years
BAEZ
Joan Baez has moved from
complete child-like innocence
through protest to a state^
ment in Farewell Angelina,
a statement terrifying and
terribly important. Like
other things which became
fashionable she now will suffer from being rejected or
misunderstood by those who
blindly accept the fashionable, make a cult of it and
who do hot understand it.
The photograph on the album, a picture of Baez, reveals her as a person who
has the vision of a saint.
Some songs in No. 6 should
not have been included because they express a sentimental viewpoint which she
has moved beyond. But all of
Dylan's songs are handled
with a driving rhythmic intensity.
Farewell Angelina, Its AH
Over now Baby Blue and
Hard Rains Again Fall combine terror and beauty in an
organic way; Baez brings this
organic growth in the song
out through the shifting
^changes which her voice can
handle.
These ballads are important statements and should
be accepted as such.
To those people who wish
to accept folk music in the
insipid way most artists present it, I say:
"water down your life
throw in dogma and classification
e~t the sugar carmels
until your teeth begin to rot
Christ and Baez
are riding
alone
they need no one."
tion. Now is it open to everyone and soldiers, workers,
and school children together
marvel at the buildings, statues, and general layout.
Most spectacular was the
throne room, majestic and
lavish  in its decor.
From the top of Coal Hill
Park is an impressive view
of Peking surrounded by the
smokestacks of heavy industry in the suburbs.
Early to bed and early to
rise in China.
Just after sunrise the
parks abound with old men
gracefully exercising the motions of Tai Chi Chu'uan (unarmed self defense. After
watching this it was always
breakfast time — deep fried
biscuits with bean curd and
hot   water.
At meal times I would
point to something a nearby
worker was eating and hold
out a handful of money. Only
the necessary change was
taken. This procedure is not
advised elsewhere.
Main streets and side
streets are both fascinating
to walk.
Idle men in untucked shirts
loiter around fruit stands
spitting the seeds of yellow
watermelon as others pick
them up. Pigtailed women
go about their shopping similarly clad.
Six girls in the red scarves
of Young Communist Pioneers tackled the job of scrubbing   a  single   wastebucket.
Traffic picks up early in
the morning. The countless
bicycles never seem to stop.
Buses are jam-packed by
seven. Trucks haul a losd of
workers to the factory, while
tired donkeys pull cart-loads
of produce and building supplies.
The two or three department stores in Peking were a
surprise to see but as always,
the best bargains and most
interesting shops were found
on side streets.
Primitive dentists operate
their drills with foot pedals
as clients squirmed uneasily.
Curio shops sell ivory and
jade carvings at ridiculously
low prices as do the wig-
makers.
One of China's best bargains is beer — a 25 ounce
bottle for 20 cents.
After supper is the time of
rest. Streets and squares are
dimly lit and full of people
quiely talking in the shadows and enjoying another
warm night. The paradox of
militant revolution and tranquility is especially evident
after dark.
Every night the smiling
hostess met me with, a thermos of hot water, most of this
was used for laundering, the
rest for drinking.
By ten the joking in the
courtyard had died down and
the only noise was donkeys
in the alley.
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Vancouver   hits
jazz  circuit
By  ANGUS   RICKER
What odds that Vancouver will become a major
modern jazz centre?
That's right — on the
west coast circuit with Los
Angeles, San Francisco and
Seattle.
Doubtful ? Maybe — but
it's no longer a matter of
hypothetical speculation.
Ready and waiting on the
Vancouver scene right now
are alto saxist Byron Pope
and trumpeter Warren
Gale. More jazzmen are
waiting for the word to
move here.
Pope and Gale chose Vancouver after a two year
jazz odyssey stretching from
Los Angeles to New York.
Why Vancouver ?
"Primarily for the chance
to be heard," says Pope, an
articulate avante-garde jazz
man.
"Los Angeles is dead for
new talent trying to be
heard.
"Vancouver is a sophisticated city and yet there is
nothing really happening on
the local jazz scene.
Pope's assessment is
essentially correct. Since
Don Thompson and Terry
Clarke left Vancouver with
John Handy, there has been
little  local activity.
Pope and Gale could
spark a jazz renaissance in
Vancouver, for these are
two musicians that any per-
BYRON POPE
son interested in music must
hear.
Deeply committed to the
ideas of John Coltrane, Pope
and Gale represent the
new wave of jazz.
During a six month stay
(in New York they were
closely associated with the
Jazz Composers Guild, an
organization made of younger musicians who stand for
more than just avante-garde
music.
The guild is promoting a
new deal for the often subservient and exploited role
usually shackled on the
emerging musician. The
guid has freed its members
through its own record
label—ESP Records—concerts and clubs.
A somewhat less vindictive—but still a co-operative
organization between musicians and audience — could
readily fit in Vancouver
right now.
Things   are   moving   and
the university community is
actively involved:
• A UBC professor is providing rehearsal facilities to
Pope and Gale as they
search for a suitable local
rhythm section.
• Special events chairman
Murray Farr has booked a
noon hour concert featuring
the group on Nov. 30.
• Interested people are
talking about an organization similar to the Arts Club
Theatre, but featuring jazz.
Make no mistake: this
development is long overdue.
Month in country—
a  weak  vacation
By MICHAL ST. JOHN
Turgenev's masterpiece
seems to have suffered in the
translation. Evelyn Williams,
the translator and himself
the author of several plays,
should know better than to
present a play full of cliches.
Saddled with a cliche
script, Joy Coghill does not
seem to  have  been able  to
Month in the Country by
Ivan Turgenev; English version by Evelyn Williams:
directed by Joy Coghill, at
the Playhouse.
overcome it. This is a cliche
performance.
The end of act one is almost high melodrama. We
can do without people (in this
instance Shirley Broderick)
running around the stage,
looking up at the gallery and
wringing their arms in front
of their faces, crying "What's
happening to me? What shall
I do?"
The play took until the
third act to really start rolling.
A rather unfortunate side
effect of this slow opening
was that many of the actors,
noticeably Edward Green-
halgh as the doctor, tended
to rush through their lines.
Robert Clothir did a good
job as the country bumpkin
neighbor. But everytime I
looked at him I thought his
beard was about to come off.
Shirley Broderick as the
major female lead gave a
stylized and unbelievable
performance.
Susan Ringwood gave a
sweet performance as the
young girl; cloying like too
much sugar in tea.
Neil Dainard as the tutor
was rather mediocre for a
young man with so much
ability. He, too, fell a victim
to the cliche script.
And now Derek Ralston.
I wish to God someone would
cast him as a bum or a young
lover or something. For
while Mr. Ralston turned in
a creditable performance as
Rakitin, a friend of the
family-, one saw him once
again stuck in his role of
philosopher.
Technically the show was
almost flawless, though I
found some of the blackout
slow and long. Following two
of the backouts there was
also a long pause while no
one was on stage.
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THE      UBYSSEY
Friday,   November   19,   1965 Snake in grass
lost its fangs
books
By SEYMOUR MAYNE
Snakes have enjoyed an
enviable position in the history of art and literature.
They have lorded it over
all the other creeping,
crawling or wriggling things.
One such viper has sneaked its poetic way into the
bosom of Rona Murray, and
spewed forth her first book,
The Enchanted Adder.
I have nothing against
snakes, save that one forced
my great-grandparents out
of Eden as such, I have been
put on my own, set in a university with the obligations
of earning my own grain
and fruit rather than snatching them from attendant
trees.
The Eden myth, the paraphernalia of Paradise and
the usual psychological and
symbolical shrubbery
abound in this book. But
myth must be felt and formed out of one's own experiences and self. One can rely
on an accepted or traditional frame of reference but it
must be immediate — it
must be a here and now.
The Enchanted Adder:
Rona Murray; Klanak
Press; pp. 61; $2.50 soft
cover, $7.00 hardcover.
Typography by Charles
Morriss.
And  is  it felt  at  all  in
Miss Murray's poems ?
In the garden of the flesh
the enchanted adder lies,
curled in the grasses
of that singing place;
and the children who play
with the wild rose spray,
sleepy in the honeysuckle
noons,
do   not   see   the   bright
bracelet beneath
the white tree.
The crude conceit, garden
of  the flesh,  sets up  this
jpoem.     But     encharttment
must   be   felt,   not   merely
named.
Aside from the "bright
bracelet" there is no enchantment here. It is all too
easy.
And if we ask the "what"
and "why" — well, children
are the usual characters in
a world of innocence, and
therefore even such a thing
as an adder transforms itself in such a "singing
place".
This is a poetry of statement, but statement made
by manipulating symbolic
counters. A game of symbolic checkers, really.
A poetry of equations:
Eden equals innocent paradise, children equal innocence. Gardens are rank in
the poems, woods crop up
everywhere. Angels and Eve
and love greet one in turns
of phrase, in paths of stanzas,  in groves of poems.
The literary sense of the
characters and the landscape of these poems is
second-hand. It is not really
an enchanted world. The
poems don't rise up in their
lengths and curl and sway
to the magic sounds of language.
Poems are too often explicit, ^here are too few
significant darknesses between shrubs and water to
move in. It is as if one
wanted so much to show a
wonderful butterfly in a jar
that the cover is lifted to
see it — and the insect disappears before we have
even a fleeting glance:
It's $2.50 to get into this
little snake den. The book
is printed with the hallmarks of a Moriss book:
off-white paper, fine lay-out,
adequate  typography.
But the conservatism of
the format results in the fading of the type into the
paper with no snakes rising
out, their metaphoric fangs
dripping with printer's ink.
I was not bitten, or smitten.
Not with venom, but what
about that numbness of enchantment ?
Ronapoems stream on
By DENNIS WHEELER
Many people believe a
poem to be an entity unto
itself, able to withstand
criticism or crumble on its
own. Rona Murray chose to
give    explanations    of    the
Poetry Reading by Rona
Murray. Bu. 219. Thurs.
noon.
techniques and cricum-
stances involved in her writing.
There is a trend in poetics
emanating from the Black
Mountain poets of the 1950s,
including Robert Duncan,
Robert Creely and Charles
Olson, which states that
poems suggest their own
form and sensibility. That is,
the  mind  senses  the  word,
the pattern comes through
the physical conception of
thought and the length is
indeterminable.
Rona Murray feels this
and is involved with the concept. She appears to move
around a structure of style
which is usually evident. ,
At times, in her reading,
the impression of reality was
vivid. A precise capture of
mood was achieved. The aim
of her poems seemed to be
rhythmned with an intent,
but in some cases the intent
would not have been clear
without the explanation she
provided.
As Wordsworth, with his
feeling for morality being
inherent in natural things,
brought his poems to the
medium of the ordinary man,
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Give Japan the bomb
William F. Buckley Jr. is
foremost spokesman of the
intelligent right in the U.S.
He's editor of New York conservative weekly, the National Review (circ. 95,000) and
writes a thrice-weekly column carried by 150 U.S.
newspapers.
He garnered some 354,000
votes in the New York mayoralty conteis last month —
his first try at politics.
Those pictures are Buckley.
PF current affairs editor
Stephen Brown interviewed
him when he was in Vancouver recently.
pf: What is your verdict on
Lyndon Johnson?
Buckley: He's a terrific
politician. He doesn't know
the national limits of politics.
His attempt to build political
power through state interference is an example of
some of the excesses of the
late Roman period.
pf: In what way?
B: Government is taking
over our life in education,
manners, literature. It's the
old heresy that government
can fill out your life for you.
pf: What about the U.S.
policy in Viet Nam?
B: I agree with it as far as
it goes but it ought to go
further. There is no strategy
of victory . . . There are odd
"sancturaries" in Viet Nam
which we don't bomb.
pf: Is Hanoi one of these
odd sanctuaries, to you?
B: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
pf: Would you carry the
war to Red China? How far
should the U.S. go?
B: I've been in favor of
pre-emptive strikes on Red
Chinese nuclear facilities for
some time.
The only alternative is to
give the atom bomb to Japan.
Chinese nuclear striking
power will render Viet Nam
irrelevant.
We     could     give    Japan
-■"*"■*<?'"
cnbugh A-bombs to deter
Red Chinese nuclear imperialism. The Chinse ought
to be able to elect their own
leaders —- so anything in this
line is in the Chinese's
people's interest.
pf: How far should Japan
be allowed to go against
China?
B: As far as necessary.
The superstition of spreading A-bombs to more nations
is  being rapidly discredited
. . The whole thing could
be addressed in terms of endorsing Japan's sovereignty.
pf: Is the UN effective?
B: No. It ought to be a forum where nations exchange
bribes, conciliations and
whatever else nations do.
But the U.S. should boycott the use of the vote in the
U.S. because we cannot accept
that restraint on our might.
pf: What should
the U.S. do about
Cuba?
B: We should liberate Cuba. Restore
the Monroe Doctrine.
But there's a technical problem —
pf: Getting rid of
Castro?
B: Yep. If it could
be accomplished by
international insurrection, so much the
better, but it ought
to be accomplished
that's the main point.
Anyone with eyes
to see recognizes that
the population of Cuba is
miserable — that it's a hideous state. It is as imperative
morally as the liberation of
France from the Nazis and
much easier to do.
pf: Are you a John Birch-
er?
B: No, I'm opposed to it.
pf: why?
B: Because they're crazy,
pf: They epitomize the U.S.
conservative to Canadians.
B: Why don't your papers
send correspondents down to
the U.S. and find out (the
facts)? Send them 'collect',
pf: What is your own philosophy?
B: I'm a radical conservative: I try to make conservatism move constantly toward
relevancy.
pf: How do you account for
Canadian parties being a
large step left of their U.S.
counterparts?
B: I don't know
enough about it — I
have some ideas but
they are too half-
baked (to expound).
pf: Do you think
the universities' left-
ness is passed down
— from professor to
student, who later
may become a professor and pass the
same ideas to his
students?
B: There is a lot of
that. The most quintessential liberalism
is in the academy.
Any movement with
i n t e 11 ectual substance will be exemplified in
the academy — look at quintessential Catholicism.
The preponderantly-liberal
intellectuals of America are
evangelistic. Professors feel
they must present the biases
as well as the ideas of liberalism.
pf: What's you view of
Communists being able to
run for office in Canada?
B: I believe Communists
don't have any rights. It's all
what you consider tolerable
... Communism intends genocides, mass warfare. I can't
tolerate error.
pf: Could a Communist
ever run as a Communist in
the U.S.?
B: One did, in Los Angeles,
two years ago. He got 225,-
000 votes.
pf: Do Canadians have a
misconception of U.S. politics?
B: Yeah, a tremendous
one. There's a tendency in
all   nations   to   believe   the
worst of larger powers.
pf: What's an example of
a Canadian misconception?
B: Your remark earlier
that John Birchers epitomize
the U.S. conservative to Canadians.
pf: How strong is the Republican Party now?
B: It has a rough time. It
may never get the presidency in our lifetime
pf: Why?
B: To get a Republican
elected president would require tremendous co-operation from Democrats — so
our main job is to pressure
Democrats.
The Democrats have won
popular approval by perpet-
nating an economic fallacy
and the Republican Party is
losing intelligibility. Only 22
per cent of Americans are
registered Republicans.
pf: Did Goldwater consolidate the Democratic
core?
B: No. A liberal Republican would have been beaten
worse. Goldwater got more
grass roots support, who is
supporting him did some
hard thinking about conservatism and liberalism.
pf: Are you going to take
another crack at politics?
B: I shouldn't think so.
I've done my duty. It's a
pressure party, cultivating
thought against the liberals.
My running in New York
has forced Democrats left, it
drove Republicans back to
take a stand.
If I hadn't run, Lindsay
would have won by a landslide. He wouldn't have been
identified as a phony, schis-
matio Republican.
pf: Did you figure you'd
get as many votes as you got?
B: God no. Thought it
would be about 160,000.1 got
340,000.
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THE      UBYSSEY
Friday,   November   19,   1965 Camel driver pales before dolls
By JACK  KHOURY
Women drivers — bah!
Who else but a woman
would suddenly make a left
turn from a right lane?
Who else but a woman
would stop her car at an intersection to let some dumb
mutt cross?
Who else but a woman
would drive 20 mph in a 40
mph zone with her car smack
in the middle of the road,
neatly tying up traffic behind her until some poor nut
gets so nervous he smashes
up his car trying to pass her?
The only vehicle a woman
can drive safely is a baby
buggy.
Strangely enough, although
they're definitely the scourge
of the highway, women drivers rarely are involved in
car accidents.
That's only because they
avoid accidents by causing
others to have them.
I have statistics to prove
By GABOR MATE
Why is everyone mad at
Eyron Hender? He hasn't
done anything ...
Such a question might be
valid but for the unfortunate
circumstance that Mr. Hender happens to be the AMS
president. Inaction on the
part of our chief executive
would be inexcusable any
year, but in the situations
that have arisen this year, it
has been almost criminal.
My criticism of Mr. Hender is based not on a disagreement over politics, or a
divergence of opinion on
what we each advocate. The
lamentable fact is that Mr.
Hender has no policies and
advocates nothing.
It is difficult not to have
disrespect when that opponent proves his existence
only by what others can say
about him, not by what he
hirr-elf  says   or   does.   The
that behind every man who's
had a traffic accident, there
was a woman somewhere.
Take my car for example.
She used to be a beauty until the day one rammed into
her right front and busted
the fender. (I refer to my car
in the feminine gender because I derive great Freudian
satisfaction from mauling
her gears and viciously
abusing her.)
Who did it? A woman
driver who had seen me a
mile off but didn't use her
brakes until our cars had
smashed.
After the collision, I went
out to see whether the lady
was all right.
"Oh dear me," she said. "I
haven't had an accident for
such a long time!"
Once in a while you meet
a reckless woman driver. This
variety is the most amazing
because they're likely to do
almost anything.
I was on my way to classes
a few days ago when an
elderly lady in a small foreign job zoomed past me.
Cartesian "cogito ergo sum"
could be reversed, in Mr.
Hender's case, to say "he
doesn't think, therefore he
is."
In substantiation of these
criticisms one could cite the
failure of Mr. Hender to provide a reasonable alternative
to the proposed march on National Students* Day. (The
abortive Fuller Brush campaign idea came only at the
last minute, as a panicky reaction to the MCC's decision
to hold the march regardless
of council.)
There existed, it must be
admitted, reasonable objections to the march, just as
there were justifiable arguments for it. But surely, there
is more to the function of
AMS president than merely
to raise objections. Surely it
is his duty to provide leadership in a positive manner, on
positive policies.
Mr. Hender failed to live
up to this duty at the time of
the march, and he failed once
again with the recent referendum. Most people would
agree that, as it was worded,
the referendum had not much
value.
"So you wanna drag,
lady?"
I applied pressure to the
gas pedal.
Soon we were on University Boulevard with my car
in the lead. In the rear-view
mirror I saw her weaving in
and out of traffic.
"Well, that lady sure has
guts," I told myself.
She quickly caught up, and
we were driving neck and
neck when she swerved into
my lane to complete her victory.
Thinking of my deflated
male ego, I suddenly noticed
she was coming to a stop.
Tires loudly squealed as I
immediately braked. My car
stopped one foot behind
her's. A little dazed, I started
slowly, watching the lady
tear off at 50 mph.
I didn't give chase.
Today, my only word of
advice to hubbies who want
to give their wives a little
Volkswagen is don't do it!
If she insists, give her a
camel.
But why did he not propose an alternative line of
action? Again, his role wns
purely a negative one.
Now we have been told
that the Board of Governors
Will not increase fees if the
Bladen report is implemented. They might as well have
said they will increase fees,
for the Bladen recommendations will not be implemented within the next year.
Although it is too late to
worry about the past, UBC
students should ask themselves if the time has not
come for action.
Let Mr. Hender rest peacefully in the catacombs of
Brock. But perhaps students
should think carefully before
electing another president,
and another council, about
whom it could be asked:
Why is everybody mad at
them? They haven't done
anything ...
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We Always Take Care Of
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for purpose, for meaning,
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We always Take Care Of
Our Own (McClelland and
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rings a bell, you're right,
but if it seems passe and
overworked, Newman's presentation is not.
The young man, Meyer
Rabinovitch (Hebrew for
Stephen Dedalus), revolts
against the superior attitude
and complacent values of
the wealthy Montreal-Jewish
community,  and,  in  search
ing for his own values and
self, becomes the first and
only Jewish beggar in Montreal.
The desparate efforts at
dissausion and coercion
which are perpetrated by
his horrified family, and by
the Jewish community en
masse, are related with the
sly, wry, slightly self-deprecating sense of humour
which Newman posseess to
an extraordinary degree.
But this is only a minor
aspect of the book which is
really a tour de force of
technique, devices, sources.
In fact Newman's extensive
and formal literary training
is clearly evident in his competent use of the apocalyptic
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arche-type and his clever,
delicately balanced juxtaposition of the Christian myth
on the Jewish heritage.
The book makes an honest
attempt to solve the almost
universal problem "of how
to assent to what is useful
and good in that which binds
you to the past and to the
other members of your inherited community, while
remaining open and indeed
reaching out to a larger and
more vital community in the
making." (WATCOOO, p. 45)
That Meyer fails in his quest,
that Newman refuses to
compromise his standards in
order to contrive an apparently satisfactory conclusion,
is simply an expression of
the degree to which he is
morally and personally involved with the problem he
presents.
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Meyer's failure is fruitless.
Newman's vision is rich, if
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named Rachel. In fact the
sexy scenes are about the
only places in the book
where the symbolic or allegorical aspect of the work
comes a little too close to
the surface—becomes almost
obvious.
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THE      UBYSSEY
Friday,   November   19,   1935" Friday,   November   19,   1965
THE
UBYSSEY
Page  13
FOREGROUND
NATIONAL STUDENT DAY
RETROSPECT
Status quo fighters met
by AUCC, platitudes
By KENNETH DRUSHKA
for Canadian University Press
The 1965 CUS congress
adopted a policy supporting
the abolition of tuition fees
as the first step in equalizing
educational opportunity.
At the end of the congress
the idea of the Oct. 27 National Student Day was
approved and the student
councillors returned to their
largely unconvinced campuses.
Ken Drushka was editor of
Toronto's Varsity 1963-64. A
sometime reporter for the
Globe and Mail, this year he
is on staff of the Student
Union for Peace Action, and
the Canadian Union of Students.
This is part one of a two-
part assessment of what National Student Day meant.
On Oct. 6, the Bladen Re-
port was released, recommending increased spending for
university operating and capital costs, but advocating the
retention of tuition fees.
CUS publicly labelled the
report a "status quo report"
because it did not advocate
abolition of fees and student
councils across the country
began debating National Student Day programs.
But on campus after the
vision of a nation-wide manifestation of student concern
began to fade as council after
council watered down local
programs and, in many cases
rejected the abolition of fees
policy.
•     •     •
As National Student Day,
and the AUCC meeting in
Vancouver approached it became clear that Canadian students were not going to rise
in a body, denounce Bladen
and their university presidents and force the country
to face the problem of student
financing .
The most dramatic student
action occurred at the University of British Columbia.
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. . . status quo
dent council rejected a plan
of a special committee to
stage a march of concern to
the Bayshore Inn where the
AUCC was to meet. Immediately an ad hoc committee —
the March of Concern Com-
mtitee ranging from communist to conservative in political affiliation — was formed.
•      •      •
The MCC forced the council to hold a referendum on
the proposed march, which
was supported by two-thirds
of the 5,000 students who
voted.
On Oct. 27 more than 3,000
students marched two miles
through the rain and confronted the AUCC in the person of its president, Dr. J. A.
Corry.
The latter made a few in-
nouclous remarks about believing in the ideals expressed by the students, who responded by asking when action would be taken.
A small delegation met
with the AUCC directors, and
the students.
During the next two days
it became evident to observers that a split was developing within the AUCC over
the issue of student financing.
• •      •
When the student aid resolution came up Dr. Corry
rose to speak and there was
an audible gasp when the
delegates realized what he
was saying.
He admitted that he had
delivered a series of platitudes two days previous
when he spoke to the marchers and said he had been terrified that he would have to
answer their questions because he would have been
forced to deliver the AUCC
line.
• •      •
Dr. Corry continued to talk
about the seriousness of the
students, which he said he
would never forget, and ended by urging that the whole
matter of student aid be referred to a committee for
further study.
The delegates relaxed and
hastily passed the resolution.
Once again Canada's university presidents avoided
the necessity of confronting
an issue head-on and resolving it openly and honestly.
CHALLENGING
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CAREERS
. . . for 1966 graduates in Arts, Commerce, Business and
Mathematics, with one of Canada's leading international
life insurance companies. Outstanding opportunities in
the following fields.
• Actuarial Trainee • Electronic Data Processing
• Group Products • General Administration • Agency
Staff Trainee    • Branch Office Administration
To arrange an interview please make an appointment
at the Placement Service. Mr. Colin A. Smith of our
Toronto Head Office will be on your campus on November 25.
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These positions will afford opportunity for career development to graduates with potential.
Professional salary scale and increases based on performance as well as excellent employee fringe benefit
plans.
Contact the Placement Office for detailed informatoin,
brochures and interview appointment. Page 14
THE    UBYSSEY
Friday,   November   19,   1965
POEMS
by the Senior Poetry Workshop,
Creative  Writing  Dept.,
University of B.C.
1964-65
Featuring:
• Owl by Wayne Nyberg
• Letters to Gabriel by
David Dawson
DfL AcdiL now
at
UBC bookstore
SFA bookstore
Duthies
(limited edition)
IN BASKETBALL
Injuries hit
Mullins' men
Injuries have struck the
another blow.
Judo belts
tangle here
Black, brown and blue belts
tumble at UBC Saturday.
The fourth annual judo invitational tournament is being held in the Memorial gym.
One of the organizers, Dr.
John Scott-Thomas of the
mathmatics department, said:
"It is one of the largest tournaments in the Pacific Northwest.
"There will be between 30
to 35 c-lubs from B.C. and
Washington competing and for
the first time there will be
a junior tournament for persons   under   18-years-old.
"We hope to have Dave
Sawyer, last year's champ, returning to defend his title.
Broadway Gym Ltd.
Special Student
Rates
Broadway at Kingsway
TR 9-9987
UBC basketball Thunderbirds
Promising rookie forward Ed
Suderman broke a bone in his
right hand during a battle for
a rebound in Wednesday's practice session, and will be out of
action for at least three weeks.
Coach Peter Mullins' 'Birds
have also lost the services of
first string guard Ken MacDonald. He has a back injury
and is sidelined indefinitely.
Suderman's broken bone, in
his shooting hand, will keep
him from making this weekend's trip to Calgary for the
Dinosaur Invitational Tournament.
UBC meets the host University of Alberta (Calgary), and
the' University of Alberta tangles with the Carroll College
Saints from Helena, Montana.
Winners of tonight's games
clash for the tourney championship Saturday .
On this side of the mountains, the Junior Varsity takes
on Royal Roads at 8:30 tonight
in Memorial Gym. Saturday
at 7 p.m. the Jayvees play a
YMCA squad at Lord Byng
High School.
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Suits Altered
and Repaired
Tuxedos Remodelled
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FOR
THE
BIRDS
By ED CLARK
Six years ago last July, I first met Lenny Sparks.
He was sitting on the sands of Sunset Beach tossing
stones into the quiet waters of False Creek.
Two weeks earlier, he had lost his Canadian middleweight boxing crown to a half-breed from Lethbridge. Eighteen days before that, he was at ringside when the Swede
with the thunderous right hand, known as Ingemar Johansson, floored the man with the china chin, Floyd Patterson,
for the seventh time in the third round to win the World's
heavyweight championship in Yankee Stadium.
Sparks, a native of Nova Scotia, is a personal friend of
Paterson. They are of the same religion, race and box in a
similar style.
• • •
Sparks was nearly in tears when he told how Paterson
refused to stay down even though he knew he lost the
fight. "He has a lot of heart and loves the game," Lenny said.
"He doesn't fight for the money, cause he has enough, he
boxes for the love of boxing. He is what you would call
"a nice guy."
"That's how many guys make it big in this sport," he
said as he picked a pebble from the multi-million on the
beach. "One in a million, if he doesn't get his brains scattered, make the big money before it is too late, A guy
should quit while he is ahead, but not Floyd — he just wants
to fight for fighting's sake."
Sparks had no chance for an education. The only schooling he learned was with his fists and as everyone rightly
knows, Canadian fighters, whether champions or not, don't
have it easy, because the pay-off isn't big.
How many fighters made the money and retired with
it, he asked?
• • •
I named only one, in Rocky Marciano. "Yeh, that's right,
Lenny said, and look at the guys that had it, and what have
they got now? Namely Joe Louis, Walcott, Dempsey. And
what about Max Baer? He spent a million in one year and
retired broke."
That is one of the big reasons fighters get beaten financially, Sparks said, as he pointed to a shapely brunette
sway past us in a undercut bikini." "That and booze."
"Nope, the ring ain't the place for nice guys unless you
want to get your brains beat out. When you make enough
to invest for a suitable business, then that is the time for
retirement. Because as you get older, you slow down and
become a target for a big punch which could finish you for
good," Lenny said with a Maritime drawl.
• • •
"Floyd might get that title back, maybe he won't but
when and if he does will it be worth it?" he queried.
That was the last time I saw Lenny Sparks. And today
he is a happier man, because he won the middleweight
championship last month.
Is that a good omen for Floyd who goes after the Heavyweight title Monday in Las Vegas against Cassius Clay?
Hardly, because those words of advice that Sparks' told
me six years ago are a boxer's words of wisdom: "The ring
ain't the place for nice guys."
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THE
UBYSSEY
Page 15
CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING will be on display Saturday
from 1 p.m. on, in the Women's Gym. UBC, provincial
champion, is hosting top American schools in the invitational  tournament.
UBC wrestlers
tackle Yankees
Thunderbirds
The UBC Thunderbird wrestling team hosts the third
Annual UBC Invitational Wrestling Championships Saturday in the women's gym.
Eliminations start a 1 p.m.
with finals in all divisions beginning at 8.
The UBC squad, current B.C.
senior and WCIAA champions, will be headed by Bruce
Green who is Canadian and
WCIAA champion and was a
member of the Canadian National team.
stalk rugby Kats
UBC's rugby Thunderbirds
face Kits in an unofficial
playoff between the two section leaders of the first division at Brockton Point Saturday.
Kick-off is at 2:30.
Saturday the Braves will
go against the Richmond club
at the Richmond grounds
starting at 12:45 p.m.
Totems and Tomahawks
will host Meralomas III and
Ex-Gladstone respectively at
Wolfson Field.
Both games begin at 1:00
Saturday.
'Birds will have added
strength from Parker Okano
and Bruce Murrary as well as
from several outstanding former high school wrestlers, including Chris Nemeth, B.C.
high school and novice champion.
UBC faces strong competition from several strong American colleges.
THE SKI BUM
By LEIGH BROUSSON
Are  you   looking for   six .
days of powder skiing, miles
of   downhiU   skiing,   professional ski lessons and hours
of apres ski?
The Thunderbird ski team
is offering this complete package ski week including lifts,
meals, lodging and transportation to Rossland, leaving
Vancouver Dec. 26 and returning Jan. 2nd.
Rossland, the ski training
home for the 'Birds ski team
is incidentally the skiing capital of Canada.
Just recently completed is
the new 8,800 foot chairlift,
giving Granite Mt. a vertical
drop of 2,800 feet, fifth highest in North America.
The skiing facilities should
appeal to everyone—from a
beginners rope tow and noma
to advanced chairlift.
The UBC team guarantees
in six easy lessons, your advancement to the expert
runs.
Rossland also boasts the
oldest and quaintest peaks
for apres ski — so watch out
Schweitzer basin.
Another highlight of the
Thunderbird ski season is
the first sponsorship of three
Warren Millar Ski movies
including the renowned "Ski
de France".
There are three ski movies
each noon hour in the auditorium, starting Nov. 22 and
continuing to Nov. 24th.
Don't miss Europe's best.
Also, next Thursday noon,
the team is holding a preseason used ski sale — metal
and woods at bargain rates
—  in  the  Buchanan   Plaza.
The Varsity Outdoor Club
with its 400 odd members,
has been typically active this
year with the preparatory
developments on its new
club cabin at Whistler Mountain, one of the former potential sites for the Canadian
Olympics.
They expect to have the
$25,000 cabin completely
closed in by this weekend.
This is a trail blazing project for VOC, being the first
club cabin owners in the
new area.
The carlift will begin operation this winter — watch
this area grow.
For more information contact Gary Taylor 224-5266;
Wayne Scott 261-2714 or the
UBC Athletic office.
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THE      UBYSSEY
Friday,   November   19,   1965
'TWEEN CLASSES
Cain raises Beowulf
NOON LECTURE
Dr. Alexander Cain from the
British Museum on "The Beowulf Theme and Germano-
Celtic Religion", Bu. 100 Monday noon.
PHRATERES
All-Phi meeting noon today
Angus 104. Special speaker.
PRE-LIBRARIANSHIP SOC.
Dr. Hegler on "Evolution of
the Modern Book", noon, Library south, room 863.
ARCHAEOLOGY CLUB
Meeting, talk and slides noon
today, Bu. 204.
ALPHA OMEGA SOC
^ General    meeting     Monday
noon, Bu. 223.
UN CLUB
Current affairs dicussion
Monday noon, Internationa]
House.
CHEER LEADING
Tryouts for soccer cheer-
leading Monday noon, Hut L-6
PRE SOCIAL WORK
Mr. Chud on "Mental Health"
Monday noon, Bu. 202.
MARDI GRAS
Auditions    for   floor    show
11:30  today,  Brock  252.  Male
and female.
EL CIRCULO
Dr. Kobbervig on the ancient
civilizations of the Mayas and
Aztecs noon today.
DEBATING UNION
B.C.   McGoun  cup   competition   finals    Friday    noon    in
Brock. "Nationalism is a Necessity".
LSM
Fireside Sunday Lutheran
Student Centre, 4608 W. 10th,
at 5:30 p.m.
Pastor Llano Thelin on "Pan-
"*'    ning    Pornography"    Monday
noon, Bu. 104.
ALLIANCE FRANCAISE
General meeting noon today,
Bu. 1221 to discuss future of
club. Air attend.
UNIVERSITY QUAKERS
Meeting Sunday 11 a.m. Bu.
Penthouse.
PRE-SOCIAL WORK CLUB
All   going   to   Jericho   Hill
School for the Blind Nov. 25
sign list in Brock Ext. 361 before Friday noon.
GAMMA DELTA
Pastor  G.   Reritz  on   "Holy
Scripture  as  Authority"  noon
today Bu. 2201.
AIESEC
Meeting noon today Bu. 104
for   economic   and   commerce
r*tsc*imoM
EYEGLASSES
All Doctor's Eyeglass Prescriptions filled. Only first
quality materials used. All
work performed by qualified
-Opticians.
GRANVILLE  OPTICAL
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NEW YORK
COSTUME SALON
WHITE   DINNER   JACKETS
TAILS, TUXEDOS
MASQUERADE     COSTUMES
Special Student
Rates
4397 W.  10th AVE.
CA  44034
students interested in summer
work in foreign firms.
MUSSOC
General meeting about show
noon today, Bu. 102.
CLASSICS CLUB
Reading  of  the Hermotima
— a dialogue  from Lucian  8
p.m. today, Bu. penthouse.
TOTEM PARK
University Symphony plays
Brahms, Mendelssohm, Purcell
and Mussorgsky in Totem Park
Ballroom tonight, 8 p.m.
CLASSIFIED
Rates: 3 lines, 1 day, $.75—3 days. $2.00. Larger Ads on request
Non-Commercial Classified Ads are payable in Advance
Publications Office: Brock Hall, Ext. 26. 224-3242
ANNOUNCEMENTS
Lost & Found
11
FOUND ADS inserted free. Publications office, Brock Hall. Local 26,
224-3242.
LOST ON MONDAY vicinity Brock
man's black billfold.1 If found
please  call  Pierre,   738-6771.
LOST. A leather covered pipe, Brock
Extension, last Tues., Nov. 16.
l'hone 879-1387,  Rick.
LOST.  Man's gold ring.  Will  finder
please call 988-1488.
LOST. Kng. 200 notebook containing
mark books. Last Monday. Desperate.   Call  Garth,   738-9797.
LOST. Black purse Wed., 9:00 p.m.
Stack level four. Very important
documents within, please return
those! Ubyssey Adv. Office, Brock
Hall.
FOUND. A ladie's wrist watch. Ro-
dania, between Armouries and
Auditorium. Phone Jim, RE 8-2623.
FOUND.   Girl's   wrist   watch   (gold),
l'hone AM 6-6850.
FOUND in Augua 104, Friday, Nov.
5th. Text claim by identifying.
Call CA 4-9790, 6-7 p.m., Harv.
LOST. One Voit football during
Monday's internmrals. Please return to Alpha Delta house. Reward.
offered.
WOULD the person who took the
brown lightweight size 46 carcoat
from Freddy Wood Theatre Thur.
between 9:30-10:30, please return to
Ubyssey Adv. Office. Car and
house   keys  urgently   needed.
Special Notices
13
WHY PAY high auto insurance
rates? If you are over 20 and have
a good driving history you qualify
for our good driving rates. Phone
Ted Elliott,  224-6707.
DANCE to The Rogues in the Lower
Mall Ballroom, Friday, Nov. 19,
9 p.m. - 1 a.m.
TWO THINGS can't be bought with
money alone — love and life insurance. Get CUS insurance now. Enquire 12.30, rm. 258, Brock Hall or
phone TR 9-2924.
POWDER skiing, professional racing: See how it's done in Warren
Millar's best. 3 ski movies each
noon hour, Mon., Tues., Wed.,
Nov. 22-24. Aud. Coming soon —
Mammoth USED ski sale — Thur.,
Nov.  25,  Buch.
ANYONE witnessing accident, winding section Marine Drive involving
Volkswagon approx. 5 p.m.. Tues.,
Nov.   16.  please  phone  434-3797.
RHODA. Meet me at Lower Mall
Sat. nite (the organization is playing).  I'm  desperate!  Harv.
Wanted
15
USED   JUDOGI    (JUDO   OUTFIT).
Phone 435-6470 after six.
Transportation
14
URGENT! RIDE NEEDED for two
from Fraser and Marine, 8.30's
every day Mon.-Sat.  327-7105, Ron.
RIDE WANTED from Rossland back
to Vancouver on December 27 or
28. Will pay gas cost. Call Sheila
after 11.00 p.m., RE 3-5588. Must
have place for my skiis.	
RIDE wanted by 2 students 'from
49th & Oak. Ask for Pete, AM 1-
4604.
RIDE urgently needed from vicltlny
of Boundary and Marine or 45th
(alternative: Drive one day per
week).  HE 4-4326.
AUTOMOTIVE & MARINE
Automobiles For Sale
21
'53  ZEPHER  SIX  for  sale.  Rebuilt
clutch, trans., steering, new tires.
Priced   low  for  quick   sale.   Doug
or  Al  at  261-3595 after  six.
GOOD TRANSPORTATION, 1952
Nash Rambler. City tested. Winterized, snow tires, $100. Phone
mornings, RE 3-3097, or after 6
p.m.  or  Sunday,  RE  8-6666.
1962 B.M.W. 700 SEDAN. Leaving
Canada, must sell, $450. Phone KO
733-1664  or   228-3872.
1956 PLYMOUTH 4-dr V8. Reliable,
good mileage, excellent for highway. Best offer. Phone 224-6107
after 6 p.m.	
1957 TR 3. Excellent mechanical condition. $695. Phone 261-103* anytime.
FOR SALE. 1950 Dodge, reconditioned motor, new tires, metallic
paint.  $90.  Phone 731-5415 after 6.
MUST SELL! 1957 PLYMOUTH.
Good condition, radio. Sacrifice at
$115.   Phone   263-6264  after  6  p.m.
1960 NSU PRINZ. Good condition,
low mileage, new tires. $200. Phone
325-5826.
Motorcycles
27
1964 HONDA 55 CC. SPORT. Like
new. Only 2350 miles. Sacrifice.
AM 1-6279.
BUSINESS SERVICES
Typewriters & Repairs 42
GOOD CLEAN TYPEWRITERS, $20
up. Also Typewriter repairs at
60 percent savings. Poison Typewriters, 2140 W. 4th. Phone RE
1-8322.   •
Typing
43
TYPING. All kinds. Mrs. Wood. 985-
5086.
THESES,     essays,     book
notes. Phone 263-4530.
reviews,
STUDENTS — TYPING DONE, my
home. Essays, reports, etc. Low
rates. Phone 261-2996.
STUDENTS! Let a professional
stenographertype your essays,
theses, or reports. Very reasonable
rates. Phone 926-1382 or bring your
work to 4327 Erwin Drive, West
Vancouver.
EMPLOYMENT
Help Wanted
SI
PIZZA PATIO IS CONTINUING
with its policy of making employment available to students for part
time evening work—one or two
evenings a week. Students considering applying must have clean
driving record for use ot Company
cars and be 21 years of age or
older. Contact Manager at the
Pizza Patio most convenient to
you after 5 p.m. Locations in Kerrisdale, South Van., Downtown
and West Van.
PS:   New outlet  coming  close  to
U.B.C.
FRIENDLY home offered to female
student In return for baby sitting
and light duties.  261-6105.
WANTED — 2 males to work with
groups' of children in afternoon and
early evening week-day programs.
Experienced in recreation or youth
work desirable. Salary $3 to $5
per 2 hour session. Phone 683-2554.
Mr.  B.  Watt.
MISCELLANEOUS
FOR SALE
71
VOX AMPLIFIERS, CLASSICAL
Guitars, Gretch & Guild & Isabella Nylon Strings. Ward Music
Ltd. 412 West Hastings MU 2-
5288.
HIGH DENSITY desk lamps, $6.95
and $9.95. Drafting lamps, $14.96
(why pay more?); Calvert-Craft
Hardware & Gifts (Post Office).
Interesting selection. 3209 West
Broadway, 738-2311 (Opposite
Peter's Ice Cream and Super Valu).
FOR SALE. Science jacket. Only one
month old, price, $10. Enquire 224-
9880. Ask for Pat McGill, room 33.
FLUFFY  white  Samoyed  pure-bred
female puppy.  CA 4-5905.
KLASSEN'S USED FURNITURE
Mart takes pleasure in announcing
a greatly enlarged store to serve
you. Also beer bottle depot at rear
of store. (25c per doz.) Across
the street from Peter's Ice Cream.
3207   West   Broadway.   RE   6-0712.
Rooms
81
LUTHERAN STUDENT CENTRE,
4608 West 10th Ave. Vacancy for 2
male students willing to share
back cottage with third student.
$25 per renter per month. References. Regulations. Phone 224-3328.
Immediate occupancy.
Room & Board
82
DEC. 1 OR AFTER XMAS if preferred: Attractive bedsit, rm. for
male student. Share bathrm. and
kitchen facilities with 2 other students. Use of laundry and TV. $45,
all incl.  AM 1-5059
COMFORTABLE DBLE. RM. NEAR
"gates" for 2 males. Pvt. ent.,
shower, phone. Kettle & frig, for
snacks. Use of rec. room $30 each.
CA 4-3648  (after 5).
ROOM AND BOARD CA 4-5906.
Close to Gates.
ROOM AND BOARD for male Student, $80 — 315 West 39th Ave.
Phone   261-1570.
ROOM AND BOARD FOR MALE
student. Good meals like home $75
— $65 without lunch. Kitsilano
Beach RE 8-0655.
Unfurn. Houses
84
UBC CAMPUS — 2 BR. UNFURN-
ished s x s duplex. Full Basement,
auto gas heat. $105. 224-6912 evenings.   Available  Dec.   31st.
LAST CALL
To Pre-Sale Ticket Holders
UNIVERSITY     OF
ISH    COLUMBIA
STUDENT  TELEPHONE  DIRECTORY
1965 - 1966
The supply of directories
will soon be exhaused, SO
PRE-SALE TICKETS
MUST BE EXCHANGED
at Publications Office, Brock
By NOVEMBER 30
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