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The Ubyssey Nov 8, 1979

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"That W5 program is out in left field,"
says International House coordinator Dick
His statement sums up the attitudes of
both administrators and students nationwide on the Campus Giveaway program
aired by CTV Sept. 30.
Shirran points out the program's
inaccuracies regarding the invasion of professional faculties by foreign students, particularly in the case of UBC.
"It's badly-researched reporting," he
And the statistics back up his assertion.
Of 750 students in the UBC law faculty, only one is a visa student. Of 320 medical
students, only one is on a visitor's visa, and
Shirran says that could be only a clerical error in definition.
The faculty of pharmacy has only four
foreign students. And Shirran says those
four are at UBC because their native country offers no training in their chosen field.
If anything, there is a shortage of foreign
students at UBC, Shirran says.
"We could do with some more foreign
UBC dentistry dean George Beagrie says
W5's assertions are nonsense. Foreign students are certainly not taking over the faculty
of dentistry, he says.
Quite the contrary. "There are no
registered students (in dentistry) that are
foreign students," he says.
And Beagrie says foreign students provide useful input to the education system.
"At the graduate level, you get the breadth
of interaction that is beneficial to education."
But he hastens to add there are few
opportunities for foreign students in his
"At the undergraduate level, the citizens
who are supporting the school should have
the opportunity for their children to get an
education," says Beagrie.
The faculty of medicine is in much the
same position, says dean Dr. William Webber. "We are admitting practically no
foreign students."
His faculty gives preference to B.C. applicants, says Webber, but he says he would
like to be in a position where he could take
some students from outside the province
and the country.
Webber agrees that having foreign
students has benefits. "It's educationally
advantageous for all students," he says.
Graduate studies dean Peter Larkin has
most of UBC's visa students in his faculty,
but he says he certainly doesn't think
they're invading it.
The graduate studies faculty has 504 of
UBC's 688 visa students. And Larkin says
although foreign students comprise 15 to 20
per cent of his faculty, there should be no
alarm. And he adds this figure is not extraordinary.
Larkin stresses the benefits of international input to the field of graduate studies.
"It's really important at the graduate level
to operate on an international level," he
And he says there is no evidence to suggest Canadians are suffering from the
number of foreign students. "There's no
displacement as far as I can see."
Larkin adds that although there have
been growing numbers of foreign graduate
students, general increases in UBC's enrolment have kept pace. "And most of the
people have been getting jobs," he says.
The   only   criteria   used   to   judge   a
student's application for graduate studies at
UBC is educational qualifications, Larkin
says. And the only limit to the number of
foreign graduate students is the amount of
money available for research work, he
Larkin quickly points out that the W5
program made a mess of interpreting the
statistics they used. "That ought to be
driven home," he says. "Those overall
statistics for Canada can be misleading."
Students are justifiably perturbed over
the W5 program's assertions. Valgeet Johl,
Alma Mater Society external affairs officer,
says misconceptions cause much of the concern over foreign students.
"The mistake that people often make is
that people that are visibly of different
ethnic origins than Anglo-Saxon are foreign
students," Johl says. "They could be landed immigrants. They could be born and
raised in Canada."
This is particularly true of the W5 program, where the statistics used included
landed immigrants, considered equal to
Canadian citizens.
See page 3: VISA
Kenny charges
report 'unfair'
A Universities Council of B.C.
report accusing UBC of inefficient
use of public funds is unfair and erroneous, administration president
Doug Kenny charged Tuesday.
The report said the council has
been presented with only slight
evidence that the university has efficiently used all its public funds.
But Kenny said UBC has provided the council with more than adequate evidence of efficient use of
"We should write to the universities council about what I view as a
serious factual error. An incorrect
statement like that could lead to unwarranted criticism of the university system," he said at a UBC board
of governors meeting.
The board voted Tuesday to send
a letter to UCBC pointing out the
report's erroneous statement and
asking   for   recommendations   on
how UBC could more efficiently
use its money.
Kenny said the council charges
could adversely affect the morale of
UBC's administration, faculty and
Council spokesman Lee Southern
denied the report's statement was
wrong. But he said UCBC will respond to the board's letter about the
UBC had requested a 14 per cent
increase in its budget last year, but
the provincial government only
granted 7.81 per cent. And the
council had recommended UBC be
given only a 9.1 per cent increase,
because it claimed the university's
current funds were being used inef-
But Kenny said: "There is a glaring discrepancy within the whole
system between what the univer-
See page 2: L'CBC
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Vol. LXM, No. 25
Vancouver, B.C. Thursday, November 8,1979      «jy^>48        228-2301
RCMP rape movie
misleads victims
An RCMP public service film on
rape attack survival is sexist and
misleading, spokeswomen for two
UBC women's groups charged this
UBC women's committee
spokeswoman Judy Lapadat said
the film enforces attitudes which
lead to rape. "The film encourages
women to be victims, and to think
of themselves as victims. The director doesn't oppose the attitudes of
society. The only way such acts are
going to stop is if we change our attitudes," she said Wednesday.
"I don't think all of the
director's techniques would really
work in reducing the violence a
woman would face."
The film's sexist content totally
destroys whatever worthwhile advice it contains, a spokeswoman for
the UBC Coalition for Safe Campus said Tuesday.
The woman, who declined to be
identified, charged that the film
• Women should cooperate with
a rapist until they feel their life is in
serious danger;
• struggling excites rapists;
• women tease men whether or
not they intend to;
• and rape is only forcible intercourse if women put up a struggle,
after which it becomes a case of
The spokeswoman said coalition
members, who attended a special
See page 2: WOMEN
— stuart dee photo
EYES CLOSED in reverie of memory, student seeks within his mind for image of late movie star Marilyn Monroe
at SUB art gallery. Impressionable impressionist Marilyn does same, seeking image of late-for-class arts 2 student
Colin Rothery. Difference between the two was student could eventually open his eyes. Show, featuring works
by fine arts students, continues today and tomorrow.
Sign says, 'Don't park'
nucleus of hoax
Up until Wednesday nothing but B.C.'s
famous psylocybin mushrooms grew at the
corner of Wesbrook and I6th Avenue.
Now a new fantasy has popped up.
Commuters on their way to B-lot yesterday
morning saw a sign proudly proclaiming Biomedical Nuclear Research Ltd. as the first tenant of UBC's new research park.
The sign features an architect's drawing of a
laboratory with a multi-storey nuclear plant
cooling tower beside it. But no nuclear power
plant, for a research laboratory or for anything
else, is going to be built at UBC.
"If I were you, I wouldn't invest any money
in Biomedical Nuclear Research Ltd.," a UBC
information services spokesman said Wednesday.
Al Hunter said the company is unknown at
UBC and no such firm has yet made a bid for
tenancy at the research park.
"I think somebody's trying to cash in on opposition to discovery park," he said.
The sign, professionally done in the manner
of B.C. government highway improvement announcements, carried the logo of a non-existent ministry of science and education.
And the name of Pat McGeer, minister of
education, science and technology, is misspelled.
Biomedical research using the nuclear technology available at UBC's Tri-University
Meson Facility is one use currently proposed
for the park. But TRIUMF administrator
Mark Henkelman said he has not heard of the
"I saw the sign this morning on my way to
work and I'm very curious," he said Wednesday. "If you can find out what it's about,
please call me."
Biomedical Nuclear Research Ltd. isn't in
the telephone book so the hoaxers who put up
the sign apparently have not libelled an existing
Vancouver company.
Pat McGeer, however, might have a complaint. They could have at least spelled his
name right. Page 2
Thursday, November 8,1979
UCBC paints gloomy picture
From page 1
sities feel they need and what they
He said the budget increase did
not meet the rate of inflation, and
charged that the university is
.iiously underfunded.
"We're getting less and less for
our dollar and that affects the
university as a whole."
Kenny said a lot of evidence indicates UBC has used its public
funds efficiently and the budget
cutbacks will affect the quality of
"This undoubtedly will have a
serious impact on the funding next
spring. We're not getting the
monies to maintain the quality of
the library," he said.
Student board of governors
member Glenn Wong said the
university faces a different rate of
index and it makes the purchase of
needed equipment difficult.
"The purchase of scientific
equipment, books and library
material etc. run at a higher rate of
inflation and coupled with the
devalued Canadian dollar, the picture becomes gloomy," said Wong.
"If logical arguments don't work
and statistics aren't being taken into
account, there's nothing short of
public outcry that will give the
universities what they want."
Wong said students will welcome
anything the administration or the
board wants to do in approaching
the provincial government about increased funding.
1110 Seymour St.
Women slam rape film
From page 1
RCMP screening of the film Tuesday, were angered by the advice
women should not struggle.
And she said the film How to say
to to a rapist and survive did not
examine the problems of
psychological recovery from ripe
for a woman who had to live with
the knowledge she did not resist any
RCMP corporal Rod Derwin admitted the film displayed a
chauvinistic explanation of advice,
but maintained the ideas in the film
were still valid.
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NOV. 2nd and  9th - 12:30
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Nurses — regular full-time positions available, or join
our float pool.
Evening or weekend orientation can be arranged if there
are sufficient interested applicants.
If interested please contact
VIVIAN WALWYN 876-6767 loc. 491
or PAM McLAREN 876-6767 loc. 483
The Office of the Auditor General of British Columbia has been established with broad authority
to carry put an independent examination of
management controls, expenditures and
revenues, and the accounts of the Government
and various Crown Corporations and public
bodies. A comprehensive report on the results
of these examinations will be made annually to
the Legislative Assembly.
Creation of this new organization presents career
opportunities in Victoria with unique respon-
sibiities and potential for advancement in a
growth environment.
We require students with B.Comm. (Accounting
major), or a licentiate in accounting, wishing to
register as C.A. students with the Institute of
Chartered Accountants of British Columbia, to
join the Office as Audit Assistants. Interested
students majoring in other subjects are also invited to apply.
We offer a comprehensive and attractive compensation package to successful candidates.
Interested students should contact the Manager
at the Canada Employment Centre on Campus,
telephone 228-4011, for further information.
We'd like to talk with you
about something that might not
have occurred to you...working
for us. Maybe you feel that banking is a business that hasn't
changed (or hasn't had to) since
your grandfather was your age,
and that the skills you've acquired in college or university
wouldn't be used in a career
with us.
That's just not true anymore.
The fact is, Bank of Montreal
has become the leader in an innovative movement that's seen
Canadian banking change more
in the past ten years than it has
in the past fifty. And we can offer you responsible, challenging
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We need special people to keep us out in
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The only common denominators with people who work
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days are the characteristics
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You can find out a lot more
by dropping by. We're not into
hard sell on a career with Bank
of Montreal. We'll just let the
facts speak for themselves.
We'll be at this campus on the
dates shown below.
Wednesday. Thursday and Friday,
November 21. 22 and 23
Information available at the Canada Employment Center on Campus.
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— Bank of Montreal Thursday, November 8, 1979
Page 3
Don't regulate universities—Vogt
Universities would cease to be intellectual bodies if they ever became
"a regulated public utility," UBC
vice-president Erich Vogt said
"As long as universities remain
free to pursue their paradoxical
functions our society remains free.
For a university to become 'a
regulated public utility' would
mean its intellectual destruction,"
Vogt said in an evening speech to
the New Westminster Canadian
"Freedom implies responsibility.
There is no question but that
citizens expect our universities to be
efficiently run while providing
academic excellence. Universities
will be in trouble if they ever forget
those two expectations."
Vogt said universities are responsive to the shifting needs of students
who are acutely sensitive in deciding.
how best to invest their time and
money to shape the direction their
lives will take.
"It is a delicate balance which
must be left untampered if the
university is going to fulfill its basic
function of educating people,
rather than merely training them,"
he said.
Vogt was speaking from a text by
administration president Doug Kenny, who was unable to speak
because of illness.
Demands for more professional
and vocational training present the
greatest challenge in the next decade
to the integrity of a liberal arts
education, Vogt said.
"We must have more scientists,
we must have more skilled technicians, more professionals, if this
country is going to compete in the
world marketplace of ideas," he
said. "Yet we must not allow our
young people to become duped into
believing success in life necessarily
comes through professional
Vogt said a liberal education is
essential to cope with the value
questions which society faces.
"The point 1 want to make is that
we need people trained in the liberal
arts tradition if we are going to cope
with questions involving fundamental values," Vogt said. "The fact
that we can't seem to get clear
answers to some of these questions
suggests that our educational
system has done a poor job of
preparing students to make fundamental value judgements.
"More attention to liberal arts is
needed. And those coming out of
the professional schools need this
grounding as well if they are to
make informed judgements on the
issues confronting society."
Vogt also said the research park
will force the UBC liberal arts community to focus on its activities.
"It may cause liberal arts people
to be more vigorous in defining
goals of society," he said. "If society does a better job of defining its
values and goals, then we can be
assured that technology will remain
in step.
"Environmental control is an example of how society is telling
technologists the route it wants
followed. The demands to sohe
pollution are coming from society,
not from the technologists."
College Probe a
white elephant
A new newspaper advertising student employment opportunities has
met with an unenthusiastic reaction
from UBC employment officers
and students.
UBC employment advisor Dave
King said Wednesday about 1,000
copies of Career Probe were shipped to the employment office in
Brock Hall, but few students have
looked at the paper.
"Normally when you put
something out that's free, it's gone
in no time. 1 don't know why
students aren't picking it up," he
King said he was disappointed
with the quality of the paper, "It's
not even advertising. It's just articles," he said.
Maureen Gilchrist, UBC's
Canada employment and student
placement centre manager, also said
she was disappointed with the
"1 was told by Career Probe that
the newspaper would be full of job
listings. I've only seen two in the
first issue," she said. "I'm in favor
of anything that will help students
find jobs, but so far I'm disappointed with Career Probe."
And Valgeet Johl, Alma Mater
Society external affairs officer, said
the newspaper's purpose is questionable. "When only two or three
jobs are within an eight page
newspaper, you have to begin to
wonder what the point is."
King said he was concerned that a
large portion of the newspaper was
written in French. "If a quarter of
the newspaper is in a language the
bulk of students in B.C. can'i
understand, it limits its value," said
But he added: "Maybe the introductory issue has got to contain
stuff it won't have in subsequent
Johl said she was concerned that
Career Probe might take away
advertising from The Ubyssey.
"That would be detrimental to
the AMS. The Ubyssey has the
responsibility to produce a
newspaper, and the only way they
can do it is through ad revenue."
But King said if Career Probe remains unpopular The Ubyssey
hasn't got a thing to worry about.
—stuart dee photo
WINNER DEMANDS PRIZE of half-eaten banana after correctly answering skill testing question in mid-term exam conducted outside SUB Wednesday. Women had earlier picked up orange and pencil in multiple choice section, then took the biggie by identifying four causes of late essays among Ubyssey staffers. Copies of answer will
be mailed to all profs in Buchanan tower.
CEGEP strike might give Quebec students early holiday
CEGEP (community college) teachers could be on a general strike next
week, giving more than 60,000 students an early Christmas holiday.
The Common Front of public unions, grouping teachers, hospital
workers and other public servants,
asked its members last week to give
them a strike mandate and the
teachers' union, La Federation Nationale des Enseignant du Quebec
has done so.
If other workers in the 190,000
strong Common Front agree with
the teachers' stand, Quebec's civil
service could grind to a halt as soon
as Nov. 12.
But the call for a general strike
has not received as strong a mandate as the Common Front hoped
for. While 72 per cent of individual
teachers' association are in favor,
only 56 per cent of the actual membership voted to go out, with some
of   the   larger   CEGEPs   voting
against a general strike at this time.
No decision has been taken yet
concerning the strike and will not be
made until all the membership votes
are tallied, probably within a few
days, a Common Front spokesperson said Wednesday.
Many students have expressed
concern that the semester will be
cancelled if the strike continues for
more than two weeks. A teacher at
Champlain college said she does not
think the government would risk
losing favor with students in view of
the upcoming referendum on sovereignty-association.
Teachers who voted against the
strike say they do not think this is a
good time for protest and think it
would have greater impact just
prior to the spring referendum vote.
At Vanier college teachers were
overwhelmingly against the strike
with 205 against going out to 89 in
And the teachers there also voted
Visa student invasion Ja bunch of nonsense7
From page 1
Johl says she can understand some people
getting upset that foreign students are displacing B.C. students — if it was true.
And she adds some people complain that
foreign  students  should  not  be allowed  to
study at our universities because they don't assimilate well into Canadian culture. But Johl
| says this is nonsense.
j    "Nobody can ever be considered a Canadian. Everyone came from somewhere."
UBC has only a three per cent contingent of
foreign students, compared to the national average of five per cent. It is easy to understand
, why they are difficult to find.
j     Fourth-year history student Kuldip Sapra is
a landed immigrant who came to Canada from
j Nairobi, Kenya. But he says being a landed im-
I migrant is not enough to convince everybody
| of his validity for being here.
j     "We go back there (Kenya) once every two
years. A lot of people confuse me as a foreign
student," says Sapra.
And he says Canada should open its arms to
embrace foreign students.
"We offer things they'll never be able to get
in their own country. It's very easy to facilitate
foreign students here."
Sapra adds that Canadians also travel
abroad to pursue their educations. "In the
University of Nairobi, a lot of Canadian profs
go to study there. And a lot of Canadian students go there — to study tropical medicine, African history."
Nazim Shirji, president of the Islamic Youth
Society, says he is also mistaken as a foreign
student. Shirji says he and most members of
the society were granted refugee status when
they escaped Uganda and were declared landed
"I would now visibly be considered a foreign
student," he says. "But I'm actually a Canadian citizen."
Shirji says there is some ill-feeling directed
toward foreign students.
"But once an individual proves himself in a
society, there's no question of whether the person's an immigrant or not."
not to abide by the decision of the
majority of their fellow teachers at
other colleges.
Vanier college teachers' association vice-president John Philpot
said he had expected teachers to at
least vote to rally behind the decision of other FNEQ members and
expressed dismay at the results.
Letters protest
Student reaction to a letter protest campaign is still underwhelming
Less than 2,000 students have
signed anti-cutback letters so far,
said Valgeet Johl, Alma Mater
Society external affairs officer. She
said most students do not realize
education cutbacks and tuition fees
will have a direct effect on them.
"I can't understand why they can
accept tuition fee increases so easily. It's not a one-time thing."
But she said more students are
now signing protest letters than on
"It's picking up a great deal. We
haven't managed to get quite the
number of letters we want, but the
boxes in SUB und Sedgewick are
doing very, very, well," she said.
Johl said she does not expect to
equal 6,000 signatures collected in a
similar letter campaign two years
ago because students are not yet
feeling the pincn of a proposed tuition fee increase. Page 4
Thursday, November 8, 1979
"It never fails . . . every time they start talking rapid transit
we have to upgrade these boats to last another 20 years."
November 8, 1979
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the university year by the Alma Mater
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Co-Editors: Heather Conn and Tom Hawthorn
It all started when Verne McDonald found the tiny little mushrooms under a sign. "Gee they're really cute," Heather Conn exclaimed as Tom Hawthorn gingerly fingered their caps. Then Geof Wheelwright, feeling adventurous, put one in his mouth and Kevin Finnegan then saw the leprechaun. Glen Sanford began to
gigle uncontrollably, as Terry Asseltine bent down and popped one of the plants into her mouth. Julie Wheelwright watched in amazement as Peter Menyasz
started for Wreck beach in search of a pot of gold. Peter Ferguson and Stuart Dee decided the whole thing was lunacy and went back to join the real world.
Dave Francis and Gary Brookfield went home to find something to put the picked 'shrooms in. "They'll be great fried in butter," exclaimed Gary Brookfield,
"but I've heard they're good as a dried snack too."
Oh Canada
UBC is a great place to be.
If you're a white, middle-class Anglo-Saxon student. But if
you're a foreign student, you're shit out of luck.
And if you're not Caucasian, people will assume you're a
foreigner, living off the poor, starving Canadian people.
Whether you are or not doesn't matter.
The university's policy is not to accept undergraduate
students from foreign countries unless the education they
seek is not available to them at home. Some exceptions are
made in special cases, but those require money or political
connections, and not many foreign students have either.
And the number of foreign graduate students is severely
limited by the availability of research funding.
So the university's administrators are feeding us a line.
They all say how wonderful it is to have international students to give our educational atmosphere a varied flavor. But
it's all talk.
Dentistry dean George Beagrie says he thinks foreign students provide a beneficial interaction. But in the same breath,
he says there's little opportunity for them in his faculty. There
has only been one dentistry student from outside the province in the last three years and none from out of the country.
Some interaction.
Dean of medicine William Webber says foreign students
are "educationally advantageous." But the faculty of
medicine doesn't have any either. And they won't as long as
there are local students to fill up all the spaces. Some advantage.
Graduate studies dean Peter Larkin says he'd like to see
more foreign students in his faculty. But he's hampered by
inadequate research funding.
Maybe that's why UBC has about half the national
percentage of foreign students in its population. We're interested in having some around, but somehow we can't
seem to fit them in.
And some people complain there are too many non-Caucasians on campus. Those lousy foreigners are eating us out of
house and home, taking our jobs and preventing taxpaying
Canadians from getting a proper education.
But most of them are Canadian citizens. Remember that.
We're all immigrants. Some of us are just more recent than
others. Those foreign students we're keeping out of our
country could have been our relatives a few generations ago.
Then where would we be?
Only the mindless fear a little nukie
The harm done by a little Nukie
may all be in your mind.
The article written by Susan Kennedy was such a poor piece of scientific reporting that I feel I simply
must answer it to point out the
numerous errors, innuendos, and
misinterpretations which it contained. Indeed, one can question the intellectual integrity of such presentations when the political context in
which they are written is taken into
Susan infers that somehow or
other I am involved with the AECL,
since some experiments on electric
breeding of nuclear fuels have been
done at TRIUMF. I can assure her
that no TRIUMF based scientist is
being paid by the Atomic Energy of
Canada Ltd. to do this work.
TRIUMF is a research facility
having an international reputation
used by scientists from all parts of
Canada and many countries around
the world, England, France, Italy,
Israel, Japan, and the U.S., to
name a few. The work on electrical
breeding makes up about one per
cent of its program at the present
time. Since the purpose of the program is to eliminate the requirement
for breeder reactors to produce
plutonium for nuclear fuel, and
hence aids in solving the problems
of nuclear power rather than adding to them, perhaps more effort
should be put into this area.
Let us now look at some of the
Karl Erdman is the associate
director of TRIUMF. Perspectives
is a column of opinion open to the
university community. .
ways that statistics are distorted by
the anti-nuclear lobby to raise fears
in the uninformed public. As an example of the kind of information
that arises as a result of statistical
studies, I enclose a summary of the
results of the largest statistical study
ever undertaken, involving more
than one million subjects and
68,000 volunteer workers, which led
to the warning about the dangers of
cigarette smoking. Among the interesting data uncovered that ran
contrary to conventional medical
wisdom was that it was more
healthful to eat fried foods, go to
university, and to be married if one
wished to increase one's chances of
living to a ripe old age. Bachelors
die at a 30 per cent higher rate than
married men, and the death rate of
divorced people is twice as high.
The data was obtained in an
open, honest, statistically significant way, but what can one make of
it. Should we immediately begin to
eat fried foods, get married, and
make sure we do not sleep more, or
less, than seven hours per night.
It is a fact that the great bulk of
statistical data shows no significant
correlation between any of the effects cited by Susan in her article
and low levels of radiation; Susan's
"experts" being the exception. It is
a fact that there is no significant
difference in chronic diseases in the
population of Denver, who receive
many times the cosmic ray dose
from the sun due to their altitude,
and of Vancouver where people live
at sea level. It is a fact that the large
population in the province of
Kerala in India, who have been liv
ing for centuries in a highly radioactive environment (10 times the levels
found in Vancouver) of high LET
radiation, have no significant differences in mortality rates due to
their situation than populations in
other areas that do not inhale these
radiogenic gasses, and no other effects have been detected.
Susan talks about the International Committee on Radiation
Protection, and how they issued
guidelines in 1940 which were
lowered by a factor of three in 1954.
This committee did not even exist in
1940. It was constituted in 1950
from among the various experts in
the areas of radiobiological effects
and produced its first report in
1954. The levels recommended in
that report have not been altered,
contrary to Susan's inferences; the
report was a very careful, detailed
study that she would do well to
read. Various countries of the
world set their own standards based
on the levels of risk that they consider acceptable. Some countries accept higher risks than those recommended by the ICRP, and some set
lower risk levels. These decisions
are political ones based on the acceptability of certain risks in certain
countries, and it is not helpful to
distort the political process by
creating an atmosphere of hysteria
about imagined dangers.
As a result of the hysteria
generated about radiation leaks into
the water systems from nuclear
reactors, political pressure is being
brought to bear to lower permitted
levels in water; many streams in
Canada  alreadv contain  levels of
dissolved uranium above the
presently existing "safe" levels in
areas where no uranium mining is
occurring. This is particularly true
in B.C. where even the drinking
water from some natural springs
contains levels which should cause
Susan to carry her own bottled
water, purified by ion exchange, if
she is serious about her fears of low
level radiation.
The topsoil in Summerland contains uranium at the rate of one
pound per ton. The deposit is rich
enough to mine and many
householders, using only spades
and wheelbarrows, could make
several thousand dollars profit by
digging over their back gardens to a
depth of about five feet, if there
were some sort of extraction plant
installed in that city. Summerland is
not the only community with
uranium in its water supply.
The people of Vancouver live in
an area in which the low level
background radiation fluctuates
wildly. At the time of the bomb
tests I was engaged by the Kodak
company to try to determine when
it was optimum to buy the wood
pulp used in making film and film
containers. Fallout particles containing fission fragments would
produce black specks in film if they
were incorporated into the celluloid
or the paper packing, and ruin the
film if kept for some time. To ascer
tain the levels I had to make some
very careful measurements on the
background levels due to natural
If there was a breeze blowing
from the ocean and fresh air from
the sea covered the city, the
background rate was 50 counts per
minute in my apparatus. If there
was an inversion layer, capturing
the emanations from the rock in the
bowl formed by the coastal mountains, the count increased to 30,000
counts per minute. If low level
radiation is so dangerous perhaps
we should declare evacuation days
when the levels are high. No
demonstrable differences in the
average health of people in Vancouver and cities where this effect
does not occur have ever been
found. Perhaps they really are
there, in which case Susan would do
the citizens of Vancouver a service
by advising them to move out. It
would make more room for us who
want to stay.
It is, indeed, unfortunate that
Susan has not read more widely
about the comparisons of various
risks that we accept as a result of
our industrialized societies. The Inhaber report is but one of many and
a latecomer to the scene. It is the
only one ever quoted by the anti-
nuclear lobby because it is the only
one that has tried to make some
See page 5: RISKS Thursday, November 8, 1979
Page 5
'Risks are known1
American students go to Paris...
The less they study the more they learn.
From page 4
estimates of the safety levels of
"soft energy technologies." As a
source of data it is one of the poorer
reports written and, of course, is
suspect because Herbert Inhaber
works for Atomic Energy of
Canada Limited. There are,
however, numerous excellent articles which one can read. In
Volume 35, 1978 of Health Physics
is an excellent article by C.A.
Kelsey of the University of New
Mexico, that lists numerous papers
by independent experts on radiation
and other risks in its bibliography.
An excellent article on how
statistics are distorted when
political points are made is found in
the Proceedings of the Sixth Annual
Health Physics Society. It was written by Andrew P. Hull and Ferdinand Shore. To quote from the
abstract, "most effects appear to be
insignificant variations about long-
term trends." The article was prompted by a small statistical fluctuation in infant mortality rates leading
to their increase. It was seized upon
by the "lobby" as a demonstration
of the deteriorative effects of low
level radiation releases from nuclear
plants. The subsequent steady
decline over the next 10 years in
those mortality rates, which dropped again this year, could equally
well be described by the pro-nuclear
lobby as a demonstration that low
level releases from nuclear power
plants were good for you, an equally fatuous statement.
Away back in 1972 a very fine
study was done by D.B. Yates of
the department of medical
biophysics at the University of
Toronto, Dr. Abraham S. Goldin
of the department of
radiochemistry at the Harvard
School of Public Health, and by
Dade W. Mueller of the Kriese Centre for Environmental Health, entitled, "Natural Radiation in the
Urban Environment." This is a
beautiful piece of scientific work including some 48 references, some of
which may be germane to Susan's
problems about uranium mining in
B.C., and which she should read.
People in our society accept risks
of various kinds as they perceive
certain benefits, or simply because
they derive some pleasure from
what they are doing. Every person
driving a car has a chance in 5,000
of being involved in a fatal accident. Every person who rides a
motorcycle has one chance in 500 of
being killed. If he smokes 20
cigarettes a day his chances of dying
by cardiovascular disease or carcinoma of the lungs drops to 1 in
200 per year. On the other hand, using contraceptive pills only increases your risk of death per year
by 1 in 50,000, and yet we are continually told about the risks of
breast cancer from using them.
People clamor to do many hazardous jobs such as mining. The other
day I noted that the first woman
miner in the U.S., who only succeeded in getting a job underground
Thurs., Nov. 8, 12:30-$1.00
Sat., Nov. 10, 2:00-Sub Aud
An hilarious spoof of the 1930's
Gangster Films
by sueing in the courts of the land,
was killed by falling rock after having worked for two years. She was
35 years old.
No risks should be accepted if
something can be done without
them. When risks have to be accepted because the benefits are
perceived by people to outweigh the
risks, we must still choose the paths
that minimize those risks for us. It
is ridiculous to believe that we will
ever have a society in which the
risks are zero, and there are sound
psychological and anthropological
reasons to believe that such a society will become unhealthy and will
perish. When making decisions
about future actions the facts upon
which those decisions are based
must not be distorted due to
political or emotional bias, or we
may be choosing a path along which
the risks are far greater, and the
benefits far less than what we had
anticipated in our nightmares, or
our dreams of paradise. Articles
such as the one by Susan Kennedy
do little to shed the light of day on
an extremely complex and difficult
decision that lies ahead of us all.
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Height might hurt 'Birds
The greatest threat to the UBC
Thunderbird basketball team will
come from the prairies and the
island, according to coach Peter
"The two strongest teams in the
Canada West University Athletic
Association are the University of
Calgary and the University of Victoria this year, with Calgary the
favorite,"    said    Mullins.    "Both
MULLINS . . . short end again
teams have added extra strength to
their forward lines with Calgary absorbing three transfers from the
Canadian national team."
UBC is up to the challenge, he
added. The team has a lot of good
jumpers and has proven its shooting
ability in pas: seasons, he said.
"The 'Birds were 10-10 last year
and fourth overall in the conference. We fully expect to do as
well this season," he said.
The greatest drawback facing
UBC this year is lack of height.
"We are a smaller team with an
average height of 6'l". At the collegiate level, if you've got an
average of 6'4" or over, you've got
a good team," he said.
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The varsity team has eight returning players including centres Bob
Forsyth and Gil Puder, guards John
Stark and John Doughty, and forwards Rob Cholyk, Burt Demis,
Brad Finley and Jim Coady. Coady
last played for the 'Birds during the
'77-'78 season.
Mullins said that he will have a
better overview of the conference
after the scouting reports come in
next week.
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The 'Birds have four conference
games before Christmas which
Mullins said will give him an idea of
what to expect. The 16 games after
Christmas will give the team plenty
of time to develop strategy, he added.
UBC plays two dogwood teams
this weekend, meeting Puccini's
Friday and Gary Taylor's Saturday.
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Thursday, November 8, 1979
'Not my due-ty to support new TA union'
Currently there is a movement
afoot to unionize the graduate
teaching assistants at UBC. Pro-union articles frequently appear in this
newspaper. Bulletin boards and circulars constantly expound upon the
virtues   of   unionism.   Apparently
this is a popular cause as I have yet
to see a student article taking the
opposing viewpoint.
As a reasonably contented graduate student, 1 would like to question the wisdom of this move toward unionism, especially in light of
the ensuing loss of individuality and
freedom each TA would experience.
The first item which I feel the necessity to clarify is the fact that we
are students. My reasons for being
here are to increase my knowledge
and hopefully to obtain a degree.
AMS HACKS . . . fail with bus pass bonanza
Students fill AMS coffers
On the back of this crazy stationery it says, "It's Your AMS." Poor
student that 1 am, it's not lack of
paper but rather to make a point
that, I'm driven to typing on posters. The Alma Mater Societv comes
in for a lot of flack, from this paper, from students, from damn near
anyone that's heard of them. And a
lot of it is only too well deserved.
But when they came out with the
bus passes Ihis poster is hyping, !
Footnote to your letter
Bravo Eric R. Young for
"Nuclear expertise is only a few
readings away" (Ubyssey, Oct. 19).
At last, an unbiased letter! This is
what I would expect to see in the
editorial columns. We need more of
However 1 think it would have
been even better if Eric had provided his reader with more information
on the documents he mentioned.
For    instance,    a    complete
"bibliography" with the edition
date and place, the number of
pages, and so on would have been
welcomed. Furthermore, the price
and the place where the documents
can be obtained would have been
worthwhile additional data (We are
so lazy . . .).
Thanks  very  much,  anyway.   I
will look for them!
Gabriel J.M.P. Tuzel
unclassified 4
was ready to give a cheer. Granted,
it's not the best offer that I've ever
been made, but that they could coerce Hydro into any savings at all,
not to mention the convenience, is
much to their credit.
But somewhere 1 heard the awful
rumor that "my" AMS is raking
over a buck a pass into its coffers.
Now surely "my" AMS wouldn't
capitalize on my dependence on
public transportation to make a
profit? Surely "my" AMS
wouldn't reduce the already bare
savings just for a little revenue? Tell
me it isn't so.
So, great dispenser of the
Printed Message, Campus Guru,
and student newspaper, tell me it
just isn't so. Please?
S. Shellabarger
arts 2
Personally, I am grateful for the
opportunity to support my studies
through a teaching assistantship.
The job is interesting and a reasonably remunerative way to practise
one's craft.
Assuming the organizers are successful and we become a branch of
the Canadian union of public employees, what lies ahead? The monthly deduction of union dues comes
to mind. We will have a contract
which will be regularly renegotiated. Therefore, periodically, we will
live in terror of going on strike.
What if another campus branch of
CUPE should go on strike? We may
be asked to picket and we would
most certainly be asked not to cross
the lines. Are we really that unhappy with the present situation to
invite such potential disruption?
The working atmosphere for
teaching assistants (in zoology anyhow) at UBC is casual and generally
quite pleasant. Should we start increasing our demands, will this congenial atmosphere remain or are we
courting a tightly regulated and impersonal future relationship? 1
would also like to remind you that
full-time technicians would be a
more efficient means of teaching
science labs.
Greg Norman
graduate studies
Women's asininity
begets trivial tripe
An article which appeared in the
Nov. 6 Ubyssey illustrates, the
asinine attitude of some of this
university's feminists.
In the article a women's group
member stated that her committee
would have picketed the Thunderbird Shop to protest its sale of
novelty toothbrushes had there not
been more important issues to occupy their time. I would suggest
that the real reason for not picketing is that a person would feel exceedingly stupid standing in front
of a shop waving a placard simply
because that shop was selling
toothbrushes with handles in the
shape of female figures.
Admittedly this novelty may be
of poor taste but there is a difference between bona fide advocation of rights and equality and the
half-wit noise making which some
of UBC's feminists are engaged in.
It is increasingly evident that
some so called women's rights activists whose views are represented
in this paper fall into one of two
groups. The first is a troupe of
clowns who make waves for no
greater purpose than the sheer
delight of making waves and the second is a clique of female
chauvinists, almost lesbian in their
outlook, who find any expression
of male sexuality, however
harmless, offensive (recall the
ridiculous guff over a previously
printed article concerning a male
student mistakenly assigned to a
women's residence).
The cause of sexual equality and
social reform would best be served
if these people would think before
they acted and save their deluge of
trivial tripe for the washroom wall,
where it best belongs.
Mike Fahey
science 1
Down, set
Hut 0-16. . .
Yes, those sounds that you hear
issuing forth from room 20 of Hut
0-16 (6388 Old Orchard Rd.) between 4 and 6 p.m. on Fridays do indeed come from bagpipes at practice. Any pipers on campus
(students, faculty or staff) who
would like to join the group are encouraged to appear at our practice
or contact me personally at room
206 in Buchanan Tower, local 5140.
Edward Mornin
germanic studies
Liberal cavalry riding in from the west
Lloyd Axworthy has the most impressive credentials of the three
Liberals to have survived the
slaughter that befell the Liberal party in western Canada in the May 22
general election. But what is even
more remarkable is the rumor that
Axworthy (Winnipeg-Fort Gary) is
seeking or is thinking of seeking the
CLARK . . . hoping Liberals
won't look west
Liberal party leadership. One is
forced to ask the question, how can
a western Canadian hope to become
leader of a party which depends
upon the French-Canadian vote for
its survival?
What would be Axworthy's opposition apart from the fact that he
is from the west? In the first place,
Axworthy has to face the reality
that Trudeau does not, at the present time, wish to relinquish his
hold on the leadership, even#though
there is a loud cry among many
Liberals for a new leader. Secondly,
another name looms large on the
horizon: John Turner, who is the
favorite among the right wing,
English-speaking element of the
■ If the leadership battle comes
down to Trudeau, Turner and Axworthy, Axworthy has the advantage for two reasons. First, in order
to prevent a split in the party between the Trudeau and Turner factions, the party will have to'compromise. And what a better compromise than Axworthy, who is not
only completely bilingual, but also
served as John Turner's executive
assistant and as a functionary in the
prime   minister's   office    under
Axworthy's second advantage is
that the Liberal party is ready to
have a leader from the west. The
Liberals realize that they need
western seats if they are again to
form a government. Furthermore,
the economic base is shifting from
east to west giving western Canada
a new and greater importance in the
federal structure. Consequently, the
Liberal party must attempt to create
a solid foundation for itself in the
west. For this to occur, a greater say
in party policy and strategy must be
given to western Liberals. It is this
reality and its slow recognition
among the Liberal party hierarchy
which gives Lloyd Axworthy a
chance at the leadership if he should
desire it.
Axworthy's main problem,
though, is his lack of reputation due
to his limited parliamentary experience. But his record as an MLA
in Manitoba is impressive. Axworthy introduced a freedom of information bill, he introduced ammend-
ments to the Human Rights Act, he
called for a resolution on equal pay
for work of equal value, he introduced a resolution on shelter
allowances for housing that would
benefit home-owners and tenants
alike and, finally, he was responsible for introducing ammendments
governing rent restraints.
But Axworthy's most impressive
achievement came just two weeks
ago in the House of Commons committee investigating interest rates. It
was during this investigation that
Axworthy lived up to his reputation
as an international authority on urban affairs by his questioning of
Gerald Bouey, the governor of the
Bank of Canada. Axworthy's questioning prompted the Vancouver
Sun's Ottawa correspondant,
Micheal Valpy, to conclude that
Axworthy was the only committee
member to effectively question
Indeed, Axworthy is impressive,
intelligent and dynamic, but could
he be the next leader of the Liberal
party and, of even greater concern,
would he be a good leader? We will
have the opportunity to assess
Lloyd Axworthy, the Liberal critic
for housing, on Friday when the
UBC Liberal club, in their efforts to
emerge from the depths of the
unknown, will present him to the
university community at noon in
Buch. 100. It will be a rare and interesting opportunity to hear and
question a western Liberal with
possible leadership aspirations.
TRUDEAU . . . waiting
for the Ax-worthy


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