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Array Davis report 'inexcusably wrong'
THE UBYSSEY
By NANCY CAMPBELL
Opposition continues to mount against a "totally inaccurate report" by
MLA Jack Davis which advocates differential fees for foreign students.
The report has already been accused of being racist, but now administrators and students are slamming the report for its blatantly incorrect
statistics.
Davis advocated the implementation of differential fees of up to $8,000 a
year against the "many thousands" of foreign students studying at B.C.
universities.
But his statistics are "inexcusably wrong" said student affairs vice president Erich Vogt Wednesday. "During 1979 there were 742 foreign students
at UBC," said Vogt. "Only one per cent of the undergraduates were visa
students — a number well below the Canadian average."
During 1979 there were 719 undergrad foreign students at Simon Fraser
University and approximately 220 at the University of Victoria, a total of
approximately 1700 foreign students attending all three universities.
"(Davis') inaccuracy is so bad we should send him a recall notice because
he was one of (UBC's) engineering grads," said Vogt.
UVic president Howard Petch said he felt Davis was not aware of the difference between visa students and landed immigrants. Landed immigrant
students are treated like Canadian students, he said.
In his report Davis said foreign students made up 20 per cent of the
typical engineering class. But he admitted his figures were not sound, and
obtained the 20 per cent figure by asking three UBC engineering students
what their classes were like.
"I find it amazing that this so called Rhodes scholar can use unsubstantiated statistics so irresponsibly," said Doug Fleming, SFU student society
external relations officer, Wednesday.
"Davis is not alone in attacking foreign students and immigrants —
there's the Ku Klux Klan as well."
Davis originally-prepared the report to be debated during the presentation of universities minister Pat McGeer's university budget. But there was
not enough time during the nine minute debate to introduce the paper and
Davis subsequently distributed it to university heads and boards of governors.
Davis said he developed the report out of concern for accessibility for
"our own people" at universities in B.C.
"I think our institutions should oppose the Davis report," said SFU Arts
Dean Bob Brown Wednesday. "I question the economic premises he has
made." There have been no cases of "reverse discrimination" at SFU, and
the administration actively encourages increased foreign student attendance at the university, said Brown.
There are no differential fees at any of B.C.'s universities, and the
presidents of UBC and SFU have both said they are opposed to their implementation.
The Universities Council of B.C. has "no intention of interfering" with
the controversy. "I feel a.reasonable number of foreign students is the best
See page 9: UCBC
No rebate for
Dene residents
Vol. LXIII, No. 11
Vancouver, B.C. Thursday, October2,1980 °^^>48       228-2301
By GAIL SHAW
Residence students in Totem
Park and Place Vanier are "disgusted" with the housing service provided them this year.
Students in Dene house have demanded reimbursement for their inconvenience during recent renovations, and Place Vanier residents
are upset over fumigation procedures carried out Oct. 1.'
Dene residents asked for reimbursement for the time spent in residence without the full facilities listed in the residence handbook at a
meeting with housing director Mike
Davis Sept. 25. Davis told them
"I'm not sold on (the idea of reimbursement)."
But Davis refused to comment on
the topic Monday and said, "we
have a committee that's going to
discuss that."
Residence administrator Mary
Flores said Wednesday "housing is
not considering reimbursement.
Our office is not going to charge the
students of Dene for their new and
better facilities," so students should
not expect to be credited for the
time spent on renovations.
The delay in renovations originally slated for the summer is causing
problems for several students at
Place Vanier. One enraged student
sent a letter to the senior residence
advisor at Vanier, Pat Chan, and he
will be forwarding the letter to
housing.
Susan.Briggs, classics 4, is disappointed with the housing department's handling of repairs and fumigation in Hamber house, Place
Vanier.
"Not only have the residents of
Hamber house been infringed upon
with regard to their privacy, due to
the decision to begin repairing the
roof and the water damage in various rooms at this time, and to the
impending lock change, but further
we are literally coerced into having
our rooms treated with pesticide for
silver fish," she wrote in her letter
dated Tuesday.
Flores said there were a number
of reasons for the delay in construction and extension of the Sept. 1
completion deadline for Dene.
"The renovations were contracted out to a construction firm
and they had to call in small trades
who were reluctant to come in and
work with a threatened labor strike
over their heads," she said.
"There were a number of building materials slow to arrive, such as
fixtures for doors ordered from the
east. The changes are an immense
amount of work and it takes a lot of
time," Flores said.
But Dene residents feel the renovations have been poorly managed
and not worth the trouble. "The
renovations-aren't worthwhile now
because they aren't completed,"
said Jennifer Mountain, arts 1,
Sunday.
Davis considers Dene to be a
"pilot project to see if, when completed, it satisfactorily meets students' demands. I'm concerned that
the renovations are taking longer
than expected," he said.
Students in Place Vanier are also
suffering as a result of summer students who left the houses in a state
of disrepair.
Commenting on the poor preparation and cleaning of Vanier following summer occupancy, Briggs
wrote, "this inefficiency and utter
disregard for the individual's privacy, choice, and welfare is clearly
manifested by housing's backward,
if not narrow-minded, attitude towards dealing with the silver fish.
These are extremely vulnerable
pests with predictable habitats; they
See page 9: INSECTS
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NOW WATCH closely everybody while I try to break the speed of light, shouts crazed runner on the last lap of accelerator track. Relatively speaking, Heinsenberg should be in picture somewhere, but trying to observe him is impossible as jean-clad scientist attempts to track down principal principle in mutated test tube. Bemused crowd just
stands in awe of it all — after all, nobody said science would be easy. Too bad it has to clash with nature though.
Gov f hit for UBC cutbacks
The provincial government's priorities do not emphasize people services and one of the effects is the
$2.1 million cutback at UBC, the
NDP education critic said Wednesday.
"The New Democratic Party is
not impressed with the
government's budgeting priorities," said MLA Gary Lauk.
Salaries at UBC must be cut by
$2.1 million over the next year because the provincial government
operating grant hasn't kept up with
inflation, an administration spokesman said Sept. 17.
The university received an effective increase of only 7.9 per cent in
the operating grant, after asking for
10 per cent. The provincial average
for operating grant increases was
12.5 per cent.
"The government's priorities do
not emphasize people services like
health care and education," said
Lauk. "(The NDP) has been vocal
in our opposition to education cutbacks, especially with the government planning to spend money on
questionable items like B.C. Place,
Transpo 80 and third crossings of
the Fraser."
But Lauk would not comment
specifically on the cutback faced at
UBC. He said he was critical of the
way UBC has allocated the budget
cut to salary costs, but he did not
want to interfere with the university's autonomy over budgeting decisions.
"I personally feel services should
be emphasized rather than capital
costs," said Lauk. He charged the
UBC administration with "monument building."
While $2.1 million is slashed
from the operating budget, the sod
has just been turned on a $2.5 million coal and mineral processing
centre — a capital expense which
administration president Doug Kenny said may not receive adequate
maintenance because of restricted
operating budget.
"The university's mentality appears to be a reflection of the gov-
ernment's with monument
building," said Lauk.
Lauk criticized the lack of involvement with the budget estimate
by university administrations and
students. The NDP had requested
the university communities to submit critiques on the budget when it
was first tabled in March but there
was no response, he said.
"The NDP is focusing its energies on a major debate on education
this spring," said Lauk. "Taking
on (universities minister Pat) McGeer is a task we're looking forward to."
Other groups on campus have not
hesitated to criticize the way the
UBC administration has allocated
the $2.1 million cutback.
"We don't want (the administration) to save their 1.7 per cent at our
expense," said Wendy Bice, coordinator of the UBC local of the Association of University and College
Employees, Sept. 24.
"AUCE totally opposes these
cutbacks which may result in reduction of already under paid and overworked staff." Page 2
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Page 3
Cross - burnings shock Alberta
RED DEER (CUP) — Three
lawn-burnings with racist overtones
have shocked this central Alberta
city in recent weeks.
The burning of lawns in the shape
of a cross at the homes of families
of Asian descent has corresponded
with an upsurge in activity of the
Ku Klux Klan in the area.
But local police have ruled out
Klan involvement in the incidents
which they prefer to call "willful
damage to lawns."
This despite the discovery by a
boy of a recruitment poster urging
"keep Alberta strong, join the Ku
Klux Klan" a block from two of the
homes where burnings occurred
There were three lawn-burning
incidents in all, causing fear and
disquiet in the quiet suburban
neighborhoods of this city of
42,000. All of the families have lived in Canada for at least six years.
The first two incidents occurred in early August early on a
Sunday morning. The two families
— one of East Indian and one of
Japanese descent — were away
from their homes when gasoline
was poured on their lawns in the
shape of a cross and set ablaze.
The East Indian family reported
earlier incidents in which eggs were
thrown at their car and house. On
one occasion someone jimmied
open the kitchen window and hurled eggs into the home.
A third burning occurred ten
days later at the home of another
East Indian family.
Police suspect the third incident
was the act of a "copy cat" but no
arrests have been made in any of the
cases.
Tearlach Macpherson, Alberta
leader of the Klan, denies the group
47 had anything to do with the incidents and said the organization
may begin its own investigation if
the RCMP are unable to find the
culprits.
Macpherson said the burnings are
giving the Klan a bad image. It will
sue the culprits for misrepresentation since the fiery cross is a Klan
symbol, Macpherson said.
The Klan has two chapters in Red
Deer and plans a public rally in the
city this fall, he said.
The group's literature says the
Alberta Klan is separate from all
other Klan organizations. It has
been legally registered with the provincial government under the name
of the Invisible Empire Association
of Alberta, Knights of the Ku Klux
Klan.
Klan membership is open "to all
men - and women of all races,
religions and colors," says the
literature.
The lawn burning incidents have
sent shock waves through the city.
Mayor Ken Curie, who received
Klan recruitment letters two months
ago, says he "deplores racist attacks.
"There is a certain element of
people who say 'they (immigrants)
are taking my job away'," says
Curie.
"I guess we are still a WASP
society, and some people think
that's all we should be," Curie said.
Canada dragged
into socialism
Prime Minister Pierre TrudeaVs
policies of wealth distribution between Canadian provinces is
dangerously leading the country
toward communism and mediocrity, a Conservative MP warned
Tuesday.
"If we overly equalize, that's
socialism in the most extreme form.
That's communism. If everybody
shares exactly the same standard of
living, we'd become a mediocre
society," Tom Siddon, MP for
Richmond-South Delta, told 23
people in SUB 205.
"A socialistic unified government is what Mr. Trudeau is trying
to create," Siddon said.
He attacked Trudeau for trying
to take too much power from the
provinces in his version of constitutional reform, and was particularly
concerned about control of natural
resources.
"There must be individuality
allowed to emerge by allowing provinces to control their Own natural
resources," he said.
He condemned Trudeau for providing central Canada with cheap
gas at the expense of Western provinces. He said Canada has borrowed tremendous amounts of money
abroad,  using  Western  Canada's
natural resources as collateral.
"We're financing a life style
beyond our present means to pay.
Sooner or later people are going to
call the loans," Siddon said in an
interview after his speech.
He added, "What we're doing is
trading off your future for polities'
sake so we can promise the people
of central Canada cheap energy."
Siddon said he is worried that
Trudeau is not politically concerned
about Western Canada because
there are no Liberal MPs from this
area.
"We have been told that Trudeau
told premier Bennett he 'couldn't
give a damn about B.C.' They (the
Liberals) have written off the
western provinces," he said.
Siddon said he wasn't a Western
separatist but added, "Anyone who
believes in individuality must act
with a certain degree of self-
interest."
"We're generous in that we feel
we should foot the bill (for subsidizing cheap gas in central Canada).
But only within the framework of a
national energy policy," he said.
He warned, "As soon as you
start to subsidize everything, then
you may as well have nation-wide
socialism."
AMS president
'railroading'
By GLEN SANFORD
Alma Mater Society president
Bruce Armstrong was attacked
Wednesday night for railroading his
own $2 million pet project through
students council without seeking
adequate student input.
Armstrong's plans for renovating
SUB and constructing a plaza on
the south side of UBC were criticized by school of social work
representative Marty Lund following the student council meeting.
"Now that the aquatic centre has
been paid off, Armstrong has taken
it upon himself to do all the planning. The priorities (on how to spend
the extra money) have been set by
Bruce Armstrong," Lund said.
He said the plans in themselves
are questionable, but he is primarily
concerned that they "are being
railroaded and council is being
pressured into accepting them."
Armstrong said the plans are
designed to meet students needs.
The plans entail expansion of SUB
to include a plaza mall and court
yard renovations which would
make way for bars and office space.
The proposed south side centre
would primarily feature a combination bar/conversation pit, Armstrong said.
He denied he is trying to rush
council into accepting the proposals.
"I definitely want it to be discuss
ed in council.  It's an important
issue," Armstrong said.
But Lund said "council will be
asked to approve the plans next
week. Council has had little opportunity to examine the plans in
detail, and we cannot be expected
to make rational decisions on the
three major proposals in a single
meeting."
. He added that $15,000 has
already been spent on architect's
fees for drawing up the construction and renovation plans.
— atuart dav'a photo
COMMERCE WEEK explodes upon campus population as students lose control in excited anticipation. Balloon
throwing is through until next year, but the semi-annual golf tournament takes place today and pancake breakfast,
featuring president Doug Kenny as cook, occurs tomorrow morning. Commerce week concludes with a beer
garden at the Commodore.
Alberta the place for students
EDMONTON (CUP) — The Alberta government left critics of its
post-secondary education policies
awestruck with its announcement
Rents down in Quebec
MONTREAL (CUP) — In at least one part of the country tenants aie
not plagued by perpetual rent increases.
In fact, a new law entitles some Quebec tenants to retroactive rent decreases.
The law benefits people living in buildings with more than eight apartments or buildings owned by corporations.
The legislation came about as a result of a 20-40 per cent tax cut given
to landlords earlier this year to help preserve housing in Montreal and
Quebec City.
An article of the new law empowers the Quebec Rental Board to order
retroactive rent decreases for tenants of buildings that have experienced
rollbacks.
Montreal community groups have praised the new law but have been
critical of its implementation.
The Notre Dame de grace tenants' association believes the government has not done enough to publicize the law.
Even the clerks at the rental board didn't know about the law until
recently. Finally, the government has gotten its act together and the
»«rental board has put out an information sheet.     ^
Tuesday of a $100 million Heritage
Scholarship Fund.
The scholarships will be financed
from the interest on investments in
the Heritage Savings and Trust
Fund.
$5.3 million will be awarded in
1980-81, the first year of the new
program. But advanced education'
minister Jim Horsman said the individual awards and the total
amount are flexible.
Horsman claimed the scholarship
fund will be the only one of its kind.
"This scholarship and awards
program will be unique in the western world," he said.
The 1980-81 program will include
$1,500 scholarships for first year
students, $3,000 scholarships for second, third and fourth year students and $10,000 and $15,000
scholarships for graduate students.
In addition, $1 million will be
available in 1980-81 for athletic and
recreational scholarships.
The $1,500 first year scholarships
apply to all students who maintain
ed an 80 per cent average in grades
10, 11 and 12.
In addition, first year students
who did not maintain 80 per cent
through all three grades will be paid
separately for each: $300 for grade
10, $500 for grade 11 and $700 for
grade 12.
Five hundred $3,000 undergraduate awards will be offered to second, third and fourth year students.
These awards will be given on the
basis of academic standing.
Twenty masters and post-graduate professional students will be
eligible for $10,000 awards. In addition, up to 20 people in Ph.D. programs will receive $15,000 scholarships.
Both the masters and doctoral
scholarships may be used to study
abroad as well as in Alberta.
Ten more awards of $10,000 and
$15,000 will be given in 1980-81 to
members of the labor force who return to school for post-graduate
training. Page 4
THE   UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 2,1980
Don't spend it
While quality of education at UBC suffers, the
administration allows the provincial government
to start useless monuments to technology like
Discovery Park and the mineral processing plant.
And at a time when the Alma Mater Society is
doing less for students than it ever has, AMS
president Bruce Armstrong comes up with a
ludicrous idea: blow up to $2 million on bars and
other unnecessary recreation facilities.
If you need an idea of how much good this will
do for us all, you only need take a walk
downstairs in SUB and view the $80,000 worth
of bad taste that has transformed the Pit.
Other than a new sound system in a place
which already is one of the nosiest echo
chambers on campus, not one thing has been
done for the customers: the students who footed
most of the bill.
That is, unless the AMS really thought the
thing we'd most hungered for in our deprived
and desperate lives was a black rubber floor.
Two million dollars is a lot of money. Several
times the AMS' annual budget, in fact. Yet student council is being given the equivalent of a
few hours' time for consideration and discussion
of the largest expenditure in years.
If they had any respect for the students they
represent, and the depleted wallets of those
students, student council would turn Armstrong
down flat. Then they might have a chance to
think about what they should really do with all
that money.
Armstrong and his cohorts in the AMS seem
to work much better during times like the summer, when there's no students around to raise
bothersome questions about what's being done
with their money. They try to make up for it in
the fall by railroading anything that might draw
some thoughtful criticism or require lengthy consideration.
The AMS, last we heard, is a non-profit
organization. Why this obsession with competing in the business world?
And we wonder why they want so badly for us
to get insensibly drunk in no less than three full-
scale bars. Are they hoping we won't notice
something even worse that will follow?
Let's fight
Have you wondered lately why your classes
are so large, why your residence is run-down,
why your prof is so grumpy on the days when
research funding allocations are announced?
The answer is simple. The provincial government doesn't give a damn about education in
B.C. It has created a new law of diminishing
returns, and what is diminishing is our university.
Ifs a shame you can't point to the damage being done by keeping the universities in the province three steps behind inflation.
Administration president Doug Kenny meekly
submits and sends a letter around to his department heads that they have to trim. Though he
talks of opposing the government's tight-fisted
attitude, he takes no real action, such as, for example, running the university into debt and daring the govenment to leave it that way.
Sure, he might be risking his job, but at least
he would be retaining some of his principles as
an educator. As it is, he is aiding and abetting
universities minister Pat McGeer's rape of the
quality of education in B.C.
Ah yes, Pat McGeer, who, as a Liberal MLA in
opposition, demanded massive increases in
education spending and advocated the abolition
of tuition fees and who now, as minister in
charge of education, fiddles with satellite
receivers on the legislature building while univr-
sities dwindle away.
The future is arriving every minute. The time
will soon be here when whole departments will
be cut, when you will be asked to pay the price
of Socred short-sightedness.
It's time we got angry.
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THE UBYSSEY
October 2, I960
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the university year by the Alma Mater
Society of the University of B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and not of the AMS or
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Editor: Verne McDonald
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of Gray McMuUin'a cheek with har truaty knife. Gene Long complained about being tortured in Bolivia while Nancy Campbell wondered if Doug Kenny really
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'Capitalism creates racist violence'
David Malloy of Librarianship
recently wrote a letter (Sept. 23) in
which he insulted me at length, and
in a pompous manner.
Apart from the torrent of personal and gratuitous abuse, he
made on objection, so far as I can
see, to the letter I wrote on Sept.
18: he dismissed as preposterous the
proposition that the rich and their
state are the source of racist and
fascist violence against the people.
But there is no other valid conclusion that can be drawn from Canadian history.
The Canadian state was founded,
in part, on the genocidal subjection
of the native people, and this
genocide continued to this day. The
British colonizers murdered the entire native population in Newfoundland; they swindled, brutalized, and imprisoned the Metis and
native people, they created concentration camp style reserves, and the
parliaments of the rich passed
statutes such as the Indian Act,
which put the stamp of legality on
these outrages.
The immigrants from many
lands, driven from their homelands
on account of ruthless exploitation,
made their way to Canada where
they have been attacked, exploited
and oppressed, and subjected to the
threat of deportation when they
raised their voices against their oppressors.
The present Immigration Act,
and the barrage of anti-immigrant
propaganda which accompanied it,
singles out for attack immigrants
from Asia, Africa, and Latin
America. The various "studies"
commissioned and released by the
government focussed on these immigrants, citing them as the sources
of social and economic problems in
Canada, and provided justification
and inspiration to racist gangs to
beat and murder innocents.
The criminal record of the rich
and their state is overwhelming.
The evidence is in the statutes, the
regulations, and the public pronouncements of the various
parliamentary representatives of the
rich at every level of government.
The anti-Asian immigration acts,
the wholesale confinement of
Japanese-Canadians without any
compensation or reparation, the
"friendly" attitude of the state to
many nazis, war criminals and reactionary generals, the wholesale and
summary deportation of immigrants during the Depression
whose only "crime" was to oppose
their oppressors — these and many
other facts show that the Canadian
state, the state of the rich
monopolists and bankers is racist to
the core.
Small wonder, then, that when
the American fascist and head of
the KKK arrived in Canada last
winter, he was feted by the local
radio stations and not arrested and
deported by the immigration men.
Instead, he was asked to "leave
voluntarily" so that he would not
be   barred   from   returning   to
Canada.
At the cost of many millions of
lives, including those of tens of
thousands of Canadian people, the
events prior to and during the Second World War showed that in
order to really defend democracy,
one must not allow the racists and
fascists to organize. Here, they cannot be permitted to lay hold of an
abstract "right to speak and to
organize" so that they can terrorize
and attack the people.
A conservative estimate is that
over 50 million people lost their
lives fighting against the nazis. We
know that the present day nazis
have the same murderous and
genocidal plans in the wings. To
permit them to speak and organize
is therefore to abdicate one's
responsibility to defend the rights
and freedoms of the people.
One further point: the sentiment
and anger of the ordinary people
against racist and fascist violence
alone won't stop this violence. It is
necessary to build organizations
which are the embodiment of this
sentiment and anger, organizations
which can mobilize the people to
take action against racists and
fascists whenever such cut-throats
dare to come up from the
underground.
The UBC Committee Against
Racist and Fascist Violence is such
an organization, and we call on all
progressive and democratic people
at UBC to join and build this
organization.
1 assume Mr. Malloy of
Librarianship wants to respond. In
closing, I challenge him to a public
debate, to be held at UBC, on the
ways of dealing with the evils of
racist and fascist violence. If Malloy
is serious about being concerned
with the problem, he'll welcome a
chance to present his views in a
public forum.
Allan Soroka Thursday, October 2,1980
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How can the finite grasp the infinite?
Kurt Preiusperger's essay, "A
Logical Look at the Church Cult"
(Sept. 25), so far from delivering
the coup de grace to the Christian
God in particular and
"religionism" in general, is a
morass of unsupported assertions
and bald prejudice; its scanty logic
is mainly faulty.
I would ordinarily disregard such
a paper, but there is something annoying and perhaps even pernicious
in Mr. Preiusperger's lopsided,
near-fanatical observations which
impels me to point out the grossest
of his errors.
His essay lacks a recognizable
theme. Mr. Preiusperger begins
with some patronizing remarks
about campus Christians and then
summarily dismisses the existence
of God with an argument in which
logic plays no part. The remainder
of the paper is devoted to desultory
attacks on various aspects of
religion, such as belief, the church
and Christian morality.
Since his opinions are predicated
on the nonexistence of God, an examination of his rejection of God
will determine his right to hold
them.
". . . . It is fair to say, I think,"
writes Mr. Preiusperger, "that
Christians generally conceive of
'God' as a personal and benevolent
creator, infinite, immaterial, immutable and immortal, omnipresent, omniscient and
omnipotent ..." What does this
tell us? Only what Mr. Preiusperger
thinks is fair to say of what Chris-
RCMP support erodes
With regard, to your story Friday
about the towing of vehicles parked
on Chancellor Boulevard, I was sufficiently surprised by this story that
I had to go and see for myself that
no signs were there.
Throughout the summer session,
the two blocks fronting the theological colleges were constantly full
of parked cars. There were, initially, signs prohibiting parking between 4 and 6 p.m., but these were
removed by the highways department one afternoon in- late July, 1
believe.
For the remainder of the summer
season there was no apparent attempt to restrict parking there, and
indeed no need to.
I would be curious to know who
initiated the change in the RCMP
policy. The RCMP appear to have
no legal grounds, and certainly no
moral grounds for ticketing or towing cars parked there.
The Motor Vehicle Act permits
parking on highways in front of
residences or business if it is practicable to do so, not restricted by sign,
and not contrary to laws'regarding
stopping (e.g. driveways).
Chancellor Boulevard is thus in
the same category as any ordinary
city street in any residential neighborhood.
It should not be necessary for the
citizenry to acquaint the constabulary with the statutes but it seems
officer Derouin could use a short
course.
He is quoted as having said "you
don't put up 'no parking' signs on
freeways." He is of course correct.
The signs placed alongside the freeways by the highways department
read 'Emergency Stopping Only'
which he might note the next time
he is illegally parked beside a freeway.
The highways department apparently felt it was necessary to post
'No Parking' signs along Marine
Drive from Chancellor to Spanish
Banks where parking is far less
practicable. I believe I also missed
the notice of the designation of
Chancellor as a freeway.
I also agree with him that students should be aware that they are
not to park on a highway and "interrupt traffic," but since interrupt
means to stop, I hardly see how it
applies. It could be reasonably argued that the obstruction of one
lane of Chancellor between Marine
and Wesbrook does not even impede the flow of traffic since Marine which feeds it is only one lane
wide.
In any event the impediment
caused by the highways department's flight of fancy on the South
campus is infinitely greater.
Ms. Baker appears to have every
right to costs and damages because
of the action of the RCMP and if I
was a victim I would surely attempt
to collect same.
If the highways department feels
it necessary to restrict parking on
Chancellor, let them erect signs indicating that restriction and their
lack of common sense. And let us
have no more of these idiotic acts
by the RCMP which only serve to
further erode their public support.
Daryl Cockle
technical wizard
computing centre
tians "generally" conceive God to
be.
He then, confusing his list of attributes with God Himself, goes on
to say, ... I have come to reject this God-idea (the one he has
just defined himself) on five
grounds: that it is largely
unintelligible, unsupported by
evidence and partly contrary to it,
partly self-contradictory and wholly
non-explanatory.
"Christianity, to anyone who
dispassionately considers the
arguments against it, is a clearly
refutable and refuted
superstition ..."
Let us say that Mr. Preiusperger
is talking not about his own "God-
idea" but about God, and look at
his five grounds separately:,
1) "(God) is unintelligible." This
is a self-evident condition for God's
existence; how can the finite grasp
the infinite?
2) "[God] is unsupported by
evidence." To believers God is evident. This assertion points to one of
the major flaws of the essay: Mr.
Preiusperger stridently insists on
having "evidence" of God, when
he himself provides nearly none for
his own argument. He also fails to
define "evidence" (scientific?
legal? sensory?), and thus leaves the
question of its existence open.
3) "(God) is partly contrary to
the evidence." What evidence? If
Mr. Preiusperger considers the
presence of evil in the world as
evidence against God, he has made
the best point of his paper, and one
that has troubled Christianity since
its inception. I can only say that to
many Christians evil is not an
obstacle to faith, and in most
Eastern religions it is taken  for
granted that good and evil, as op-
posit es, are inseparable. Could one
have high without low, or light
without dark?
4) "(God) is self-contradictory."
Mr. Preiusperger is here referring to
his own list of God's attributes,
which contradicts itself insofar as it
includes both "personal" and "infinite."
5) "[God) is wholly non-
explanatory." This is what, I
suspect, really irks Mr. Preiusperger
about "the hypothesis of God:" its
imperviousness to logical, scientific
experimentation and analysis.
His writing oozes the tacit certainty that scientific method can
render comprehensible every corner
of the universe:.physical, intellectual, moral.
That someone can believe in God
and declare Him to be superior-
dinate to reason is blasphemy
against the Holy Ghost of logic,
which, to Mr. Preiusperger,
however scarcely and poorly he uses
it, is much more than a useful, if
limited, mental tool: it is a transcendent principle in the same sense that
God is, and Mr. Preiusperger's
religious ardor is something to
make most Christians' faith seem
lukewarm by comparison.
But what, when it comes down to
it, can reason explain? Can any
scientist, any logician, truthfully
and confidently answer the question, "Why?"
The schism between "faith" and
"reason" has become irreconcilable
over the centuries, but the dilemma
exists only inasmuch as the
defenders of each principle declare
the two to be antithetical; in their
proper places, they are not inherently so.
Mr. Preiusperger seems to have a
Cartesian desire to possess only true
beliefs, and thinks that these truths
will be drawn to the transcendent
magnet of logic, which he deifies
uncritically.
Unlike Descartes, to whom God
and reason were not incommensurable and who used logic as a
clarifying tool, Mr. Preiusperer is a
priest and tool of logic, the
sacredness of which he feels must be
defended at all costs, even that of
his own rationality.
His argument, despite the fact
that he drags in (by the hair) a
number of topical political issues —
abortion, fascism, separatism (!) —
is centuries old; better minds than
his have failed to rob the "God-
idea" of its numinous potency, its
attractiveness.
Lastly, I think Mr. Preiusperger's
essay is severely undermined by his
erroneous conception of belief.
Religious relief is not hypothesis,
theory, or conclusion in the scientific sense; it is certainty which one
person possesses as the result of experience and cannot be communicated to another through the
abstract medium of words.
"Belief" is a word used by non-
believers, people whose experience
has not led them to knowledge of
God. Once "believers" and "non-
believers" have grasped this point
further argument is useless.
Mr. Preiusperger, no doubt with
the best intentions, has written an
inept essay. His garbled thinking
and lack of criticality seem to have
infected The Ubyssey and you must
be blamed for the essay's publication.
Even if the essay's sole purpose
was to stir up responses such as this
one, a(t least it could have been done
with a lucid and truly provocative
paper.
It is one thing for a student
publication to dabble in the
playground of politics but
-transcendental issues call above all
for clear thinking and discretion,
and therefore should be avoided in
a paper where these are in short
supply.
Paul Vitols
Faith over reason please. Kurt
In his article "A logical look at
the church cult" in The Ubyssey
Sept. 25, Kurt Preiusperger starts
his attack on "the religious sects on
campus" with five proofs for the
non-existence of God.
If this conjures up a deja-vu image in the unsuspecting reader, let
me remind you of the five ways that
Thomas Aquinas put forward in his
Summa Theologica to prove the existence of God. If one were inclined
to  prove  the  existence  or  non
existence of God through
philosophical reflections, one
would be in excellent company indeed.
But let us not confuse logic or
philosophy with faith here, for logic
has at best had an uneasy relationship with metaphysics in the last
two centuries. In fact, "modern"
logicians have found it necessary to
dispense with metaphysics
altogether.
Dangerous decor depressive says Pit patron
I'd like to take a few more
whacks at a dead and decaying corpse and make a comment concerning our new Pit facilities.
The primary problem with the Pit
is not, as seems so obvious, merely
an orgy of bad taste, though to
deny that would be impossible. Nor
is it something so simple as an effort, by people who can barely chew
their own food, to burn us for a few
more bucks.
No, it is something infinitely
more subtle.
First of all, there is a problem in
that there is a conflict of architectural styles. There are several influences present, but by far the most
aggressive are two known respectively as Reichsfuhrer Bunker and
Goodyear Tire Plant.
These two styles are not necessarily incompatible and with the
right touches can work successfully.
Unfortunately, the designers showed no restraint whatsoever, and
chose a Manic Depressive color
scheme.
This particular combination of
interior decorating, known colloquially as Auschwitz Modern, is not
as popular as it once was, and is
now used almost exclusively by the
KGB and chartered accountants.
Why did they choose to renovate
in a fashion that has been shown to
cause suicide in laboratory rats?
God only knows. However it is obvious to me that the Pit has become
a particular dangerous place and
patrons should take heed of the
warning signs.	
If you find yourself wishing to    in the corner, you had better leave.
strangle your waiter merely because
he's taken an hour and forty minutes to bring your drink or if you'd
like to take a chainsaw to the five
guys with greasy hair and red jackets who keep singing and chanting
Go home, take a Valium, or better yet, open up one of your texts.
The feeling will pass.
David Halpenny
commerce 3
Prices slammed too
The management of the Pit
should be treated like the strongarm
thieves that they, are and have their
piggy bank smashed or be dangled
by their toes from the clock tower.
I took math and I know that the
difference between 90 cents and a
buck fifteen is a lot of money, especially when you drink like I do. If
I drink only a dozen beer a day then
the difference in eight months is
more than my tuition. Somebody's
gotta do something!
I can only do so much by not paying for my Ukrainian dogs and taking a dozen out the back door now
and again. Damn those suckers!
Chuck "Thirsty" Celeryhead
science 1
But back to Kurt P. and his
justifiable claim that "his (God's)
name has inspired countless
atrocious wars, witch-hunts, colonialism, etcetera." Let me remind
Kurt P., however, that those crimes
were committed through human
and not divine folly.
The next point Kurt P. raises is
even more reasonable, for he says
that "there is not the faintest rational basis for accepting the alternative to faith — reason and its offspring technology that brought
upon such devastating disasters as
Hiroshima and Nagasaki."
Let us remind ourselves, lest we
forget, that the exclusive cult of
reason is potentially more threatening to humanity than all the
crusades and witch-hunts
throughout the ages combined.
Moreover, from Kant to
Heisenberg, philosophers and scientists alike have demonstrated the inadequacy of pure reason and the
potential paradox pure logic is
capable of.
The alternative to faith, reason,
does not look that attractive from
close range. So help us keep the
faith, Kurt P., for the worship of
pure reason is potentially more
dangerous for humankind than the
worship of the divine paradox —
Jesus.
Brigitta O'Regan
grad studies Page 6
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Thursday, October 2,1980
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Nature not simply a tool for man's use
On Sept. 25 there appeared in
The Ubyssey an article by Kurt
Preiusperger entitled "A logical
look at the church cult." It implied
that most of the* world's problems
have been primarily related to religion, rather than to deficiencies in
human character, and that only if
reason (rational behavior included)
would triumph everything in this
godless world would be saved.
An attack on religion in this form
is really an attack on man's spiritual
nature, that is, his essence and his
purpose i and it can only lead to
great misunderstandings about
what being a human being is all
about.
I have no religious training, and I
was not raised to go to church. The
author, therefore, shall not be able
to claim that I was brain washed or
that I am some sort of religious fanatic; in fact, I am in many ways an
atheist.
It is this that allows me to say that
Preiusperger's arguments are based
on a misunderstanding of what religion is all about and of human nature.
If understanding tells us anything, it is that the religion question
is simply not a case of truth versus
superstition. The traditional way of
seeing truth as an empirical study is
no longer considered to be valid.
Therefore, to decide whether
something is true or not has a lot
more to do with our preconceived
notions about man and nature than
previously thought. This in a very
real sense reduces the question
about   'religion  versus  truth'   to
ic -demolishes'
atheist's argument
The perspectives page by Kurt Preiusperger (Sept. 25) rocked me
from my fog of superstition (and my studies) to write to The Ubyssey. I
had foolishly believed (oops, there's that word) that members of a
university community would feel obliged to present facts (and
references) when "stating and demolishing the position" (religious or
otherwise) of others.
I will state in advance that I am a Christian. I realize that this will immediately cause me to be dismissed as a "fanatical bigot,"
"believing ... not because (I) seek truth, but because (I) need a crutch'
to live." Still, perhaps, some will be interested in the ravings of a mind
in a "state of self-deluded torpor."
Mr. Preiusperger is very fond of making universal generalizations
without reference to the state of the real world. This serves his case well;
he is able to make appeals to authorities which sound very convincing to
those who have little experience with, or understanding of, religious
philosophy. The fact that such authorities may not exist does not even
cause him to break stride.
I do not have time to attack each of his claims in detail. If I could
distill the essence of religious thought into a form that would fit within
an issue of The Ubyssey, I would be a rare individual indeed. That
Preiusperger's personal encounters with "believers" or on events from
history.
No one is likely to argue that there have not been atrocities committed
in the name of religion (or communism, love, the good of
humanity, . . .), but there is a fundamental fallacy in believing that an
"idea is responsible for those (or the actions of those) who believe in
it."
(For example, we should not adopt the position that atheists are, in
general, incapable of presenting an intellectually acceptable defense of
their beliefs simply because of Preiusperger's inability to do so.) One
must make a careful distinction between ideology and practice.
The article contains several seemingly irrelevant tangents, such as
blaming religious stands on abortion for the population crisis, which
seem to serve only to bring in broad emotional issues in the hope that
they can be used to galvanize the uncritical into swallowing the rest of
his treastise whole. (The idea that abortion is a solution to the population problem is either ridiculous or an advocacy of genocide ... I am
not sure which he intends).
The article even lacks internal consistency: near the beginning, God is
accused of allowing 700 million children to suffer starvation (therefore
he does not exist); near the end we find condemnation for "religious
sentimentalists (who) continue to advocate the madness of food
shipments to overpopulated countries. (Shall we reduce population by
starving everyone but ourselves from the face of the globe???)
In closing, Preiusperger says that believers are committed to "the
unexamined life." I agree with Plato that the "unexamined life is not
worth living." I do not agree with Preiusperger's unexamined propaganda (is not worth reading?).
I am inclined to censure The Ubyssey for allowing such a fabrication
to occupy a page of newsprint that could have cheerfully remained a
tree, but — before I am charged with the same atterrfpt to prevent "people of every persuasion, even intolerant people (like Preiusperger?) from
having their say" — this is only the pursuit of TRUTH (like the caps?)
should require the presentation of supporting evidence/documentation.
David Etherington
grad studies
which thing is going to make us live
better lives.
I personally believe that religion
makes us, both as individuals and
as members of a community, better
people, that it enhances our lives,
and that it gives us reasons to respect each other in more than just a
hedonistic and utilitarian sense.
Preiusperger's arguments are as
follows. Religion has added nothing
to our lives, so we would be better
without it; it is unnecessary. That it
has deformed the role of science,
women, sex, etc., and has really
caused many useless and senseless
wars. That religion is responsible
for nasty things such as colonialism,
and overpopulation in poorer countries. That religion is a crutch,
which I guess means that it makes
men humble and makes them feel
they need help, which I guess Preiusperger thinks is a bad thing. And
that in the end religion is just "silly" (my word) superstition.
I do not wish to deny all these
claims, and I may even be willing to
agree with some. But I do not think
that the reasons mentioned are
good reasons for suppressing religion.
The idea that religion is superstition because it does not have facts is
invalid. If modern philosophy
teaches us anything, it is that facts
can only have real value when they
are laden with theoretical assumptions (Kuhn, Feyerabend, Rorty).
The question of which set of assumptions we are going to accept as
true does not really have much to
do with what is really out there, but
more with which 'what' we want;
therefore, any choice is really on the
form of which is better for us to believe: ethics precedes knowledge.
With regards to the statement by
Preiusperger that religion is a
crutch, I might be willing to agree;
but as regards to it being a bad
thing I cannot.
If a man has trouble walking
(perhaps because his leg is broken),
do we give him an aid to help him
walk, or do we tell him that there is
nothing wrong with him? A crutch
shall help him walk better, it shall
stop him from doing further damage to the way things should be.
Maybe, according to Preiusperger's logic, we should just let him
fall and tell him that nothing is
wrong with his condition. I think
that religion fills the role to the
spirit of humanity, that a crutch
does to. a man with a broken leg. It
assumes that things are not for the
best and that there can always be
improvement.
The conflict between modern
physical science and religion is a
very interesting one. The two in
their most potent forms offer incommensurable views about human
nature and nature; to combine the
two is almost to destroy both.
Religion's purpose is to explain
man's place in nature and why it is
special; that is, what is special
about the human condition which
can not be found to have any other
bearing on any other animal.
Modern physical science says that
man has no special place; that he is
just an accident, a freak of nature;
that his existence is not eternal, but
only something which occupies an
almost infinitely small piece of
space and time.
To illuminate what I mean I shall
draw an example from my own life.
I have a grandmother who is now
about to die. She is an old lady
whose life has been rather well lived. Her understanding of religion
was small, but her devotion to it
was great. In the end it gave her a
humble spirit, and a profound sense
of purpose.
Yes, perhaps she was ignorant of
science, of the modern truths. Yes,
perhaps she even had those prejudices that the author mentioned
(and the hypocrisy).
But her religion not only illuminated her life, but those of the people
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around her, her family, her friends,
and even the community. If this
sounds self-indulgent, just remember that the author wishes to live a
life free from sin.
To think of a woman whose life
was full of emotion, both love and
hate, strife and struggle, as just a
piece of dust, just a random assortment of atoms spinning on a planet,
is to me not only very horrifying
and frightening, but also very sickening and sad.
I am not talking about how she
feels about herself at the end of her
life, (as the author probably
thinks), but how it makes us see
ourselves, not as individuals but as
human beings.
If we think of ourselves as meaningless, it is bound to affect how we
see and treat each other. That is,
that it does not matter, that everything is fucked up so why bother.
I do not think that this is or can
be healthy. Man does need a crutch
to turn his interests away from the
flesh to the spirit. If there is anything wrong with saying that man
should be humble because he is not
the Creator, and that he should
cherish his home with the greatest
reverence, please tell me.
To see ourselves as molecules is
to destroy our nature, and like the
old cliche, we shall not be able to
return to our rightful home. Nature
is not simply a tool for man's personal use.
It is for these reasons that I do
not think that the question of whether modern physical science has
truth or not is important. If something kills purpose, drives us to desperation, makes our lives meaningless, can it be good? Can it help?
It is for this reason that we
should state Preiusperger's problem
is a moral and ethical one rather
than an epistomological one. If we
are kinder to our brothers, and love
our neighbors, why does it matter if
we believe Aristotle rather than Einstein?
William S. Clark
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Friday, October 3, 1980
5:30 p.m.
The Garden Room — Graduate Student Centre
FOLLOWED BY VINE AND CHEESE
PARTY IN BALLROOM Thursday, October 2,1980
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Bolivian democracy replaced in
The following interview was conducted with a Canadian who recently
returned from a tour of Latin America. Because the information given here
may threaten the security of people who were contacts for the visit, the interviewee has requested to remain anonymous. Given the scope of the information networks operated by certain Latin American regimes, The Ubyssey has
respected this.request.
Q—You've recently returned from Latin
America. Which countries did you visit and
for how long?
A—I began my trip in February and had
three months in which I visited Peru, Bolivia
and Chile, with about a month in each country.
Q—So you were in Bolivia a couple of
months before the July coup. Was there any
indication then of what was to take place?
A—Yes, definitely. There were rumours
every day. Most of the people I talked to
knew a coup was on the way and were planning their resistance to it. There was an air of
instability throughout the country. The
military were making various moves indicating they were planning to intervene in
the democratic process.
Q—And the people were preparing to
resist? How?
A—They were planning various ways to
prevent a coup. In March a number of
groups formed a Committee in Defense of
Democracy. The two major groups involved
were the Permanent Assembly for Human
Rights in Bolivia and the Bolivian Workers'
Association. These were joined by Church,
civic and various political groups and a
number of individuals. They agreed on a
strategy that if. there was military intervention, they would call a general strike and
blockade of transportation to shut down the
country.
Q—Did they get a chance to call a general
strike?
A—Yes. On the morning of the 17th of July, the coup began with a takeover of a
military garrison in the north. The committee
immediately called a meeting in La Paz and
decided the strategy should be employed. It
was 90 per cent effective — the same day of
the' coup there was massive participation by
the people throughout the country in staging
a general strike.
While that meeting was in progress the
coup arrived at its doorstep. The paramilitary surrounded the trade union headquarters and began firing shots at the
building. There was no way to escape and all
the leaders were rounded up.
Q—Was the military able to consolidate
the coup right away?
A—All the means of communication inside and outside the country were controlled.
They didn't take long to remove the government — they went direct to a cabinet meeting
and arrested the entire cabinet. But it took
days to put down the resistance in various
parts of the country, especially in mining
areas where the strike lasted up to ten days in
some places.
Q—Has there been any form of resistance
since?
A—They were able to consolidate the coup
only in a military sense. On June 29th, three
weeks before the coup, there was a general
election in which the people clearly showed
they wanted a democratic government.
Thirty-eight per cent of the vote went to
elect a centre-left coalition, the Popular
Democratic Unity. The next closest party
received twenty per cent.
The people will continue to find ways of
resisting a military government they did not
want and do not agree with.
Q—Is this coup any different from the
other military interventions that Bolivia has
had?
A—This coup will have more effect on
Latin America as a whole and on the internal
conditions in the country. The coup was aided and abetted by an outside power —
Argentina.
The reasons were ideological. The national
security mentality could not tolerate even a
moderate left government next door. There is
evidence that Argentinian officers helped
stage the coup.
Also, this coup was a much more brutal,
thorough and systematic operation. Different parts of the country were
simultaneously besieged and the repression
was incredibly heavy. The level of cynicism
by the perpetrators reached absurd proportions. There was no attempt to justify the actions and abuse of human rights.
There is another reason why this was different. In this case it is difficult to distinguish
between politics and delinquency, in that this
government's ties to the drug trade are widely
established. It is basically financed by earnings from cocaine exports.
It was the first time that a para-military
was so well organized. Civilian armed gangs
were at the service of the regular army.
Q—What is the significance for the rest of
Latin America and how have other governments in the region reacted to the coup?
Interview by
Gene Long
A—There are major geo-political implications for the entire continent. It is one more
country that has fallen to military fascism
and removes the buffer between Argentina
and the democracies of the north. It is similar
to Rhodesia, or Zimbabwe, in relation to
South Africa. This is an important analogy
because of the efforts of Argentina to form a
South Atlantic Treaty Organization for the
express purpose of defending the dictatorships that exist, including South Africa.
The Andean Pact here is in trouble. The
governmentst of Venezuala, Equador, Columbia and Peru are very worried about
Bolivia and none have recognized the military
junta.
Q—The events are reminiscent of Chile in
1973. When you visited the country, what
was your impression of the conditions and
the nature of Pinochet's rule?
A—The Chilean junta is completing the
process of institutionalizing its concept of
law and order. It has gone through a perios
of several years where it has placed legal
restrictions on education, social services,
unions and the economy as a whole, not to
speak of formalized repression and abuse of
human rights. The recent plebescite, held on
Sept. llth, the seventh anniversary of the
coup, was a culmination of this process.
When you go out into the streets of Chile,
you don't see many signs of repression. It appears like any other Latin American city,
there are no tanks unless there is some form
of open resistance.
The most important type of repression currently it the legal form and the main part of
this is in the economic system. Chile's
economy is being transformed into one based
on export of raw materials. There is complete
freedom for the import of manufactured
goods, investment from abroad and the
repatriation of profits outside the country.
The consequences of this are that national
enterprises are forced out of business,
unemployment skyrockets and poverty increases. All this along with a user pay program of social services. With the majority of
the population in a difficult economic position, these services simply are not available.
Q—How do you react to the junta's
reports that a large majority of the population voted in favor of the new constitution?
A—I haven't had a chance to see much on
the vote, but in the last plebescite in 1977
people were obliged to vote with identity
cards. The ballot had a Chilean flag over the
yes box and a black flag over the no box
representing anarchy or something. There is a
lot of intimidation and a lot of tricks are used. Their campaigns are mostly window
dressing for the international community.
Q—Are the people mounting their own
resistance campaigns?
A—Resistance is increasing but it is very
hard to consolidate new forms of organization after peasant and union associations had
been smashed.
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developed. It's amazing how people can
adapt their techniques. People are organizing
to support mass organizations and are trying
to provide education and training as an alternative to the military domination of those
areas.
There is not very much armed resistance
although there recently have been attacks on
banks to get finances for the people's operations.
Q: Would you say there is much of a threat
being posed to the junta?
A: No, not at this point. The government
is solidly in power for some time to come.
But the people are not giving up. It won't be
a quick struggle but the people will continue
to challenge the military dictatorship in
whatever ways they can.
Q: How do you see the role of Western
governments in relation to the stability of
Chile's junta or other similar regimes in Latin
America?
A—With certain exceptions, there is direct
or indirect support from the West to all of
these regimes. With Chile, the U.S. has to
bear a large measure of responsibility. But
they are changing their line — they now don't
want this type of government as it is not good
for their prestige.
But business goes on as usual. None of the
Western governments have cut off commercial ties. Canada has continued to push
nuclear power to Argentina. There is no embargo on Chilean products appearing on our
grocery shelves.
Q: What sort of position do you think the
Canadian government should adopt toward
these repressive regimes?
A: They are in a tough position because of
trade ties and Canada's efforts to play the
role of arbiter in the international community. But this is a choice they have made (not to
come out boldly against these governments)
and we don't have to agree with it.
Because of its position, Canada could exert
a lot of influence demanding respect for
human rights. But there are too many interests at stake. I doubt we'll see any major
changes in policy.
Q: Are the economic ties the major factor
in preventing Canada from taking a stronger
position?
A: They are one factor. Our standard of
living, our whole environment depends on
the supply and' flow of resources from the
Third World. But it is not only economics involved. There is an international balance of
power and situations like Cuba or Zimbabwe
threaten that balance.
The West is determined to maintain its
position of strength and is not happy with the
fact that these countries might not share our
type of political systems and our political
concepts. Page 8
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Rationality refused
Many atheists are kind, tolerant
people who try very hard to be reasonable. Kurt Preiusperger is not
one of them however.
He is the author of the inappropriately titled article, "A logical look
at the church cult." In this article,
which claims rationality as its authority, the author proposes that
Christianity, and belief in God, is a
clearly refutable superstition.
What he subsequently offers is
hatred, intolerance, fanaticism, and
one of the most profoundly ignorant contributions to the issue that I
have ever read. He clearly has no
understanding of logic, as the major omission from his "logical
look" is anything which actually resembles a logical argument.
The content of the article itself is
beneath contempt but I feel that it is
necessary to point out to those with
open, inquiring minds where
counter-evidence may be found.
Let us consider an example given
by the author of that article. "No
religious apologist, by any stretch
of the imagination, has ever been
able to reconcile the concept of a
good creator with a creation so permeated with evil." The imagination
that needs stretching is that of Preiusperger!
There is a substantial body of literature which addresses this point. I
suggest that he inform himself by
consideration of the work of, for
example, Professor Swinbourne,
professor of philosophy at Keele
University.
To briefly state one such argument: There is purpose to human
existence and we must choose between good and evil. In order that
we can make this choice we need to
be able to see the consequences of
both good and evil and therefore
both must exist.
I am not a philosopher and Swinbourne states these arguments much
better than I can, but I hope that
the point is made.
I would just add that God created
us with freewill but for at least 2,-
000 years the majority of humans
have exercised this gift by choosing
the low over the high, the petty over
the profound, and materialism over
spirituality.
It is this which has led to today's
degenerate and valueless culture in
which science, art, and large parts
of religion are mainly at best trivial
and at worst a coarsening influence.
One of the few correct statements
in Preiusperger's article is his pointing out that self-deception is a neurotic defence mechanism which is ultimately damaging. He aims this little barb in the wrong direction however.
The atrocities carried out in the
name of Christ, such as the Spanish
Inquisition, have nothing to do with
the teachings of Christ. In the same
way, the atrocities committed by
the Khomeini regime have nothing
to do with Islam nor those committed by Stalin with the Communism
of Marx.
The examples given us in the lives
Amen to atheists
I wholeheartedly applaud the
views of Kurt Preiusperger as expressed in last Thursday's Perspectives column.
In an age when the merchants
of eternal salvation hawk their
wares with unparalleled fervor,
it is refreshing to hear the clear
and articulate voice of reason.
Like Mr. Preiusperger, I have
often wondered how supposedly
intelligent "believers" can keep
a straight face while leaning
upon such a groaning crutch of
irrationality as is religion.
You know, they're the types
who wrap themselves in the
Shroud of Turin and quote with
much reverence from that amusing exercise in literary gymnastics known as the Bible. They are
very proud of the fact that they
are True Believers, but never
question whether or not what
they believe is based on fact.
They just Believe.
It's nice to know that there are
other card-carrying atheists out
there. Thanks Kurt, and to your
article I say again, er, ahh . . .
Amen!
Jeremy Thornburg
arts 4
Damn good
Contrary to "all those" people who sent in letters rebutting
Kurt Preiusperger's article on
Thursday the 25th, I do not wish
to "damn him." In fact his article, in my mind, is a work of
art, and deserves none but the
highest respect.
I'm with him all the way.
David McDonald
science 1
of such men as the Buddha, Christ
or Mohammed are the clearest antidotes to such madness that I know
of.
I will not dignify Preiusperger's
other "arguments" with replies although I could.
I will however, provide pointers
to the open-minded in answer to his
question, "Would a supreme being,
if it existed and if it cared that we
know it exists, fail to make its presence known in some unmistakeable
way?" The answer is "No, He
would not fail."
Nor does He. We are surrounded
by evidence of God's existence, but
only the conditions set by those at
low levels of existence prevent it being seen. It seems unlikely that evidence for angels would be found in
a dustbin!
Evidence for God is implicit in
such things as the teachings of the
Buddha, ESP, the music of Beethoven, and in the perfect symmetry of
astrology. I do not mean here the
astrology of newspaper horoscopes
but the astrology described in an excellent book by Rabbi Joel Dobin
"To rule both night and day" in
which it is used to understand
God's will, and which a few brave
scientists are now proving to be
true.
More explicit evidence is to be
found in the experiences of expert
yogis; the teachings of Jesus and
Mohammed (you don't.really suppose that an illiterate trader could
write the magnificent Koran without Divine inspiration do you?); the
nature spirits, devi, elementals and
other, even higher, electrical beings
seen by sensitive, but otherwise perfectly ordinary human beings; and
the religious experiences had by
those who perform sacred dances
such as the Tibetan temple dances
and those taught by Gurdjieff.
The sheer beauty of such experiences would be sufficient on its own
even if it were not of vital importance. It is certainly preferable to the
kind of mind that can look at some
of the highest achievements, of humankind and talk of "minds befogged by superstition," "fascists,
separatists, and religionists" and
"organized nonsense worship."
The attitude of Preiusperger is
comprehensibe. I was brought up
by socialist-atheist parents and had
similar attitudes myself for many
years. I now know however, that
such attitudes are very limited and,
as I have subsequently discovered
through personal experience, they
are quite simply wrong.
Peter Forster
department of psychology
Peat, Marwick, Mitchell &Cq
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!    I    I    I    I    I Thursday, October 2,1980
THE    UBYSSEY
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Man cut in knife attack
A Place Vanier man who was attacked with a knife Sunday night
has criticized the shortage of
RCMP patrols on campus.
Harry Peterson, education 3, was
walking towards the education
building Sunday night at 11:00
when he was surprised by an attacker hiding in the bushes between
two huts near L-lot.
The attacker was wielding a
knife, and after knocking Peterson
to the ground, cut him above the
eye.
Peterson holds a green belt in
karate, and managed to push the
man off and fight his way free.
Night patrols should be increased
"especially for girls," he said,
"There should be more patrols and
more police awareness."
Peterson could not think of a
possible motive for the attack. "I
guess I can only think he was after
money. I'm not a short person, and
he was quite a bit older," he said.
He descibed the attacker as
"quite a bit older, maybe around 30
years old, with black hair and a
dark complexion, wearing a T-shirt,
jeans and no jacket."
After incapacitating the man,
Peterson ran to a nearby washroom
to wash the blood out of his eye.
When he returned to the scene of
the attack, the man was still on he
ground, so Peterson returned to his
room.
He said he did not report the attack to the police because he
"couldn't think of a logical
reason" to do so.
UCBC chair is 'ashamed
From page 1
thing that can happen to a world
trading country like Canada," said
UBC chairman William   Gibson .
"Personally, having had part of
my education in the U.S. and Great
Britain, I would be ashamed to try
to prevent foreign students from
getting some of their education in
Canada," he said.
Insects doomed
From page 1
thrive wherever there is garbage."
Briggs feels the extermination of
the insects is doomed from the outset because of poor sanitary conditions. "Not once have I heard of or
witnessed the cleaning or disinfecting of the garbage chute in the hall,
and have never known it not to
smell foully. Even our washrooms
are so minimally cleaned at times as
to be sickening."
She also objected to the style of
living of summer students, who
were allowed to cook in the residences, because of lack of summer
food service, and felt this played a
major role in the pest infestation.
But Mary Flores said, "the silver-
fish have nothing to do with stay-
through and summer students.
They thrive in old buildings and eat
glue and paper in books," not rotting food.
A complaint was not made to
housing about the insects during the
summer, but when the complaint
was submitted this fall residents
"were given a can of Raid," said
Linda Truant,, home economics 2,
"then when we asked for more,
none was available."
"I had to. spend all of Tuesday
night packing my things, then today
I'll have to spend two hours cleaning up," said Lillian Meneguzzi,
arts 2. "We were only given one
day's advance notice, and we didn't
know what to expect," she said.
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Mackenzie and Hamber houses
were tarred in September, four
months behind schedule. Replacement of locks, much needed shower
repairs and general maintenance requests such as replacement of poor
mattresses are piling up as students
complain.
"I'm sorry to see somebody who
owes a significant portion of his
education to foreign universities, at
the expense of the British taxpayer,
attacking foreign students," said
Gibson. He was referring to Davis,
who was a Rhodes scholar and
studied at Oxford.
NDP education critic Gary Lauk
said the report should not be taken
seriously. "It's the report of a
backbench MLA," he said
Wednesday. "It's not an official
government statement and the
NDP is not going to respond officially."
The lack of research Davis had in
the report shows it should not be
taken seriously, Lauk said.
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INVITES YOU
TO WATCH THEM DO IT ON TV
Get your free tickets at the SUB box office
now for the taping of Thursday. Oct 9
at CBC. 700 Hamilton Street .come down
and be a part of the madness
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THE    U BYSSEY
Thursday, October 2,1980
'Tween classes
TODAY
EL CIRCULO
Noch.  tipanola/Spanish   convsrsstion,   7:30
p.m., IntsrnationaJ Houaa.
ANTH/80C
Fna farm: Saul AHnaky on Indian Act, Maaaet
Poytatch, Immigranta' firm fiv. ystrs in Canada,
noon, Anao207.
ROCKERS CO-OP
Naw club baing formad for muaiciana irttsrsstsd
in rock muaic to maet, .xchangs idaaa and jam
uaing svaHabts apse, on campua. intaraatad p«o-
pia ahould call Mark or Roman « 228-5440 bs-
twaan 9 a.m. and 5 p.m.
CAMPUS CAVAUERS
Laat chanca to join up with tha aquara dance
dub, 6:30 p.m., SUB baflroom. For mora information caU Paul at 224-0178.
GRADUATE REPRESENTATIVE ASSEMBLY
BudgM maating with fraa cotfaa, 5:30 p.m.,
graduate cantra commrttaa room.
TOASTMA8TERS
Maating, 7:30 p.m., MscMMan 278.
AQUA SOC
Ganaral maating. noon, SUB 117.
FINE ARTS
SHdea with muaic and diicuaaion,  anti-nuke
paintinga from France and Tahiti, noon, Laaaerre
102. Paintinga diaplayed in lobby.
DEBATING SOCIETY
Training eaaelon in Buch. 204. For time cell John
Miller et 524-9281.
CAMPUS CRUSADE FOR CHRIST
You and the local church, noon to 2 p.m., SUB
206.
PSYCHOLOGY STUDENTS' ASSOC.
General meeting, noon, SUB bedroom.
GAY PEOPLE OF UBC
Eighth anniveraery perry and general election.
with refreshments snd music by David Sereda,
noon, Cecil Green lounge.
EAST INDIAN STUDENTS' ASSOC.
Meeting end elide presentation, noon, SUB 125.
AMS POTTERY CLUB
General meeting, noon, SUB 251.
LSLAP
Free legal advice from UBC law students, noon,
SUB 111.
CCCM
Jsmee Packer apeeks on Evil, noon, SUB 215.
ISMAIL! 8TUDENTS' ASSOCIATION
First general meeting, noon, SUB 119.
AMNESTY UBC
Letter writing workshop, new members taught
how to write letters for Prisoners of Conscience,
noon, SUB 224.
LE CLUB FRANCAIS
General  meeting,  noon.   International  Houae
lounge.
PRE-DENTAL SOCIETY
First general meeting, plus Dr. Johnston lecturing on general dentJetry and fixed proetho-
dentics, noon, IRC 1.
FRIDAY
CANOE CLUB
Jump in, eepecieHy kayekera, 5:30-7:30 p.m..
Empire pool.
GAY PEOPLE
Film: La Meilleur Facon de Marcher, noon, SUB
BudHorium.
SLAVONIC CIRCLE
Wine and cheeee perty. Bring some cheese, 4
p.m., Buch. 1258.
WOMEN'S COMMITTEE
Women in Focus preoentstion, film and diecue-
sion on women in the media, noon, women'a
centre In SUB 130.
DEBATING SOCIETY
General meeting, noon, SUB 215.
Evening meeting, 7 p.m., SUB 213.
CANADIAN STUDENT PUGWASH
Organizational meeting, noon, SUB 205.
DEPT. OF POLITICAL SCIENCE
(There ia some kind of event which they forgot to
teH us about, but we're sure it's worth
attending), noon, Buch. 104. For more information cell Paul Marantz st 228-4669.
SATURDAY
EAST INDIAN STUOENTS' ASSOC.
"Welcome" dance, 7:30 p.m., SUB 207.
MONDAY
WARGAMING SOCIETY
Grand Prix suto racing simulstion organizational
masting, noon, SUB 224.
WU8C
Coast of Cotton, fHm about the cotton industry
in Guatamals snd the workers' role, noon, Buch.
206.
HISTORICAL DANCE CLUB
Rensisssnce dsnes cans, noon, SUB 113.
TUESDAY
PRE-MED SOCIETY
Dr. Blsnchsrd speaks on family practise, noon,
IRC 1.
CHARISMATIC CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP
Singing, prayer snd fellowship meeting, noon,
SUB 211.
WEDNESDAY
GATHER 'ROUND KIDDIES
Bob Dylen's Don't look back, 7:30 snd 9:30 p.m.
todsy, again at noon Thursday, SUB auditorium.
Trainer needed
for CMIBear
There are no bears hiding in this
announcement. There was a bear
running lose amongst the hot
flashes wreaking havoc and overturning trash cans, but he isn't
here.
A volunteer is needed to read a
psychology text to a student between classes. Contact Lois Craig
of the Canadian National Institute
for the Blind, 321-2311.
And I'll bet you were expecting
something about bears I ROARI
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Have you ever wondered how
Henry VIII, Napoleon, and Joan of
Arc danced? Have you ever cared?
If your answer to either of the
preceding questions was yes, there
is probably someone that can help
you look     under
"psychoanalysis" in the yellow
pages.
There is also another option. The
Historian Dance Club is presenting
a variety of activities on campus for
students interested in learning
dances from the 1400s to the 1900s.
Renaissance Dance classes are
offered on Mondays at noon Sub
Hot flashes
113. Learn the Michaelangelo
rhumba or the Columbus crew-
step.
Baroque Dance classes are offered Sundays at 7:00 Sub 207-209.
Many strange dance forms will
demonstrate the evolution of such
classic dances as 'the rococco'.
Interested students should contact Ken at 6626 or Elizabeth at
266-4020.
Hove a ball
There are many strange happenings in this world, but none quite so
strange as observing the habits of
inebriated mice.
The graduate students' association should know better than to
have a wine and cheese party following their annual general meeting. This will be occurring where
else? The Grad centre ballroom this
Friday at 5:30.
By the way, all mice will be
breathalyzed after the meeting.
Atreud ef RSA?
Come in. Relax. Lie down on the
couch. Now, tell me . . . where did
it all begin?
We understand why people
might want to become involved
with   the   Psychology   Student's
Association. The first general
meeting is today at noon in the
SUB ballroom.
. . . Don't worry, that's perfectly
normal. A lot of people fantasize
about Godzilla.
Take the plunge
Are you a group looking for a
roof to put over your head to
replace that soggy newspaper
you've been under for the past
month? If so, room bookings for
SUB for Jan. to April, 1981 should
be discussed in the AMS business
office, Rm. 266.
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SUBhuman.
Kayak yak
Thinking about taking your
sweetheart for a paddle in the
moonlight? Does the gentle sound
of lapping water soothe you?
Here's your opportunity! Just
show up with the canoe club at the
Empire Pool Friday, Oct. 3 between
5:30 and 7:30 p.m., and hop into a
long hollow floating thing with a
hole in the top.
But hey — aren't those things
single occupancy? How can you go
for a "roll" alone? Maybe a kayak
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Career Opportunities upon graduation,
we're interested in you — NOW..Procter
and Gamble is making a Brand Management presentation to students of all
faculties, on Wednesday, Oct. 8, I960 at
12:30-1:30 p.m. in Henry Angus 221. Take
the time to explore your Careers futurel
GRADUATES: Careers for graduates
from all faculties will be discussed with
representatives from Proctor and Gamble
on Wednesday, 8th Oct. at 4:30 p.m. in
S.U.B. 205. Refreshments will follow. All
graduating students are invited.
10 — For Sale — Commercial
OCT. 4. SATURDAY. 10 a.m. - 12 noon.
Rummage sale at University Hill United
Church, 5315 Univ. Blvd.
11 - For Sale — Private
1969   ALFA    ROMEO   1760   BERLIA.
5-speed, fuel injection, D.O.H.C, 4-wheel
disc brakes, 74,300 miles, $1300. 9264928,
Mike.
5 MONTHS OLD TABBY kitten in area of
Dalhousie Rd. U.B.C. white nose, chest,
paws. Short bob tail greatly missed.
Reward after 5:30 p.m. 228-1782
40 — Messages
50 — Rentals
66 — Scandals
"TALL BLONDE MAN with one black shoe"
meet me in SUB Aud. Wed. Oct. 1, 8:00
p.m. Thurs., Oct. 2, 12:30 noon. $1.00.
Love and kisses C. West.
70 — Services
DRY CLEANING - ALTERATIONS: UBC
One Hour Martinizing. 2146 Western
Parkway, 228-9414 (in the Village). Reasonable rates. Student rates.
80 — Tutoring
86 — Typing
16 — Found
20 — Housing
25 — Instruction
STUDY GROUP for students of the
URBANTIA BOOK meets weekly Wednesday nights. Call William, 7360086.
EXPERT TYPING.   Essays, term  papers,
factums   $0.85.   Theses, manuscripts,
letters,   resumes $0.86 +. Fast accurate
typing. 266-7710.
TYPING. $.80 per page. Fast and accurate. Experienced typist. Phone Gordon
873-8032.
ESSAYS, these, manuscripts, including technical, equational, reports, letters, resumes.
Fast accurate. Bilingual. Clemy 226-6641.
TYPING SERVICE for Theses, correspondence, etc. Any field. French also available.
IBM Selectric. Call 736-4042.
30 — Jobs
90 - Wanted
PIANIST for BALLET Classes on campus. Information: 683-5073 or 224-6691 evenings.
99 — Miscellaneous Thursday, October 2,1960
THE   UBYSSEY
Page 11
No bucks for brains
The future of young Canadian researchers is jeopardized by a lack of
research funding, a UBC scientist
said Monday.
And several other scientists here
are far from content with the recent
increases in funding available for
research at the university, observing
that quality Canadians are seeking
greener pastures in the U.S.
"I'm worried about our future
scientists," said pathologist James
Hogg. There isn't enough funding
to start new research projects, he
said.
Hogg has been awarded $90,000
by the federal medical research
council to learn about the cancer-
causing effects of pollution. "There
seems to be only enough funds to
keep the established projects
going," he said.
UBC health scientists received
more than $4 million from the
council, an 11 per cent increase over
last year. Basic and applied scientists received $9 million from the
federal natural sciences and engineering research council, a 17 per
cent increase.
"The problem with federal funding is that inflation in the scientists'
fields is higher than 20 per cent,"
physics researcher Hannes Barnard
said. "New researchers find it frustrating because they spend a lot of
their time looking for funding."
Barnard will have to share with
five other physicists a $146,000
grant to study the use of lasers in
nuclear fusion.
Biochemistry researcher Michael
Smith said there should be more
start-up funding. "The really best
new people are getting appointments in the States because they
find better funding," he said.
Smith received $147,150 from the
medical research council to study
how DNA in genes is organized, but
considers himself lucky. "There is
so little money that though I did
very well, many others did not," he
said.
"Quite a few of our Ph.D.s are
working down in the States because
of better funding," admitted Roy
Nodwell, head of the physics department at UBC. But he thought it
reasonable that unproven researchers don't get as much as proven veterans.
UBC research director Richard
Spratley said Canada is well below
Job* go to rich
OTTAWA — Rich students, find
summer jobs quicker than poor students, says an Ontario Federation
of Students report.
And the jobs they find usually
pay better than the jobs poor students find, the report added.
A survey at the University of
Western Ontario in London indicated 42.8 per cent of students from
families with incomes of more than
$40,000 found jobs through personal or family contacts. That compares with the 29 per cent of all
other students who get jobs through
contacts.
A survey at Carleton University
in Ottawa showed that women students had a tougher time finding a
job than male students. Most
women took four weeks to find a
job, while the average for all students was 2.S weeks.
And if the statistics from the
summer of 1979 are any indication,
women look longer to get lower
paying jobs. Female students, averaged $3.71 an hour compared to
$4.90 for male students.
The report also strongly condemns Canada Employment Centres as the least efficient way of fin
ding a summer job. Jobs found
through the centres are also usually
the lowest paying, the report added.
Government job creation programs are also ineffective, the report said.
The students federation recommends the government create year-
round, community-run projects so
students can find meaningful summer employment.
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the level of other developed countries in starting up and funding new
research, but the problem doesn't
affect everyone. "Only some fields
can't find funding," he said. "It
certainly isn't an over-all
problem."
Biology chairman Alfred Acton
said research money is unimportant. "Sheer inspirational breakthrough does not rely solely on research funds," he said. "More
money means more facilities and
faster results."
Spratley said funding sources include the provincial government,
industry, the university and private
donations in addition to grants
from the two federal councils.
Research money is made available throughout the year, he said.
PANGO PANGO (UNS) - A
new wave of religious fervor has
swept this tiny island kingdom in
the past week following the announcement that one or two hairy -
puce blorgs had renounced Bokon-
onism.
"We're being persecuted by that
filthy atheist — or those filthy
atheists, all two of them — for our
beliefs," said Snore Her-man's-
son, leader of 20,000 Bokononists.
HONG KONG
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and you've got one heck
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THE
SUICIDE
By Nikolai Erdman
An M.F.A. Thesis
Production
Directed by John Cooper
OCTOBER 6-11
8:00 p.m.
Tickets: $4.00
Students: $3.00
Box Office: Room 207
Frederic Wood Theatre
DOROTHY
SOMERSET
STUDIO
DR. PETER K. CHUNG
wishes to announce the opening of his practice in Dentistry
in association with the
Wesmor Dental Group
4433 W. 10th Ave. (near UBC)
Vancouver, B.C.
Tel.: 224-3514
Appointments: 8 a.m.-5 p.m., Mon.-Fri.
8 a.m.-12:00 Saturday
Additional languages spoken:
Cantonese and Mandarin dialects
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THE    UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 2,1980
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