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Array Montreal students want
Bremer for laureate prof
MONTREAL (Staff) — Students
at Loyola College here want their
school to hire deposed B.C.
education commissioner John
Bremer as a freewheeling
"teaching laureate."
Erwin Katsosf, co-president of
the Loyola Students Association,
said in an interview Thursday that
Bremer impressed several
students and profs with "innovative ideas" when he delivered
a keynote convocation address last
"It is our hope that with his
excellence and his experience and
knowledge within the area of innovative education that he will be
able to transmit this knowledge
and set newTaeas in motion,"
Katsosf said.
Katsosf said Bremer would be
like "a poet in residence; a
professor of the university not tied
to any place and able to cross
faculty and department lines."
Bremer would be hired by and
work for the college's learning and
development committee, which is
responsible for improving the
effectiveness of teaching and
course evaluations, Katsosf said.
He said the university plans to
bring Bremer to Montreal for
interviews late this month.
Loyola College is a component of
Vol. LVi, No. 36
JANUARY 10, 1975
—sucha singh photo
TRADITIONAL SALUTE greets passersby in no man's land of new mechanical engineering building.
However, concrete phalluses will soon be covered so truckloads of mechano sets can be installed for
instruction of thousands of like-minded toy makers of the future as they begin to explore each other's
pubescent little bodies.
Montreal's Concordia University
and has an enrolment of about
10,000 full and part time students.
Bremer spoke at Loyola about
the time he filed a writ m B.C.
Supreme Court charging Premier
Dave Barrett with libel and
slander. Bremer was axed by
education minister Eileen Dailly
last January shortly after Barrett
called him a "bit of a flop" on a
CBC television program.
Bremer still lives in Victoria but
was unavailable for comment
Thursday. He is reported to be
looking for work across Canada.
Dailly     appointed     Bremer
See page 6: BREMER
New housing
Student housing committee
president Stefan Mochnacki said
Thursday he believes the new
board of governors will give
student housing higher priority
than in the past.
"The priorities of the new
universities council and the board
of governors are different from the
priorities of the old council and
board," he said.
"Housing will hopefully be a
much higher priority than
previously if the need is shown to
The Ubyssey learned Wednesday
the administration is not considering building student housing
facilities in the near future despite
a severe accommodation shortage
for students.
Mochnacki criticized the
university for having neglected
student housing in the past.
University bursar William White
Thursday defended the administration's current policy of not
applying to the provincial
"government for student housing
"The board of governors wanted
to clean up the existing building
program before embarking on a
new program," he said.
Asked how long the current
building program would take,
White said it depended on funding.
"If funding is adequate it'll be
cleared up quickly."
He said the reasons UBC did not
apply for student housing help
from Victoria while Simon Fraser
University and the University of
Victoria did was that UBC was
"quite a bit ahead" of the other
universities in student housing and
thus could afford to put that lower
on the list of priorities.
White also said the other
universities did not have the same
See page 6: ANY
Ten of 15 new BoG members dubious of facts
By JAKE van der KAMP
This is the second of two stories
on the new UBC board of governors.
The reconstituted board of
governors is a new institution in
several ways.
It has 15 members now instead of
the previous 11 and these members
come from varied occupations. In
former times the board came
solely from the wealthier sections
of society.
But 10 of these members are new
and that in itself has some
drawbacks. Without exception
every one of the 10 new members
plead ignorance of the board's
"I'll have to see. I don't know
exactly what I will do until I get
some experience," is the standard
Board meetings have always
remained closed and it is natural
that the new members should feel
puzzled about their exact role.
That sense of not knowing
exactly what can be done is present
even among the faculty members
elected to the board by faculty.
They are the first to sit on the
board. Previously three members
were elected by faculty but it was
stipulated that they were to come
from senate members not directly
affiliated with the university.
One of the new faculty repre
sentatives   is   economics   prof
Gideon Rosenbluth, a member of
the economics department.
But for Rosenbluth it's not such a
major event that faculty members
are now allowed to sit on the board.
In an interview Wednesday, he
said he favors keeping senate as
Sex party
Ubyssey staffers, non-staffers,
hangers-on and anyone else we
have forgotten to libel are invited
to a party Saturday night.
However, since we know
thousands would stay away in
droves if the address were
published, only those who attend
today's two staff meetings will be
told of the secret location.
News side staffers (current and
especially new) should wander in
by 1:30 p.m. to hear the results of
the holiday pilgrimage to the CUP
conference at Saskatoon.
Page Friday staffers will meet at
noon in the office to discuss the
Canadian literature theme issue.
the major governmental body of
the university.
"I think the university should be
run by the people who know it well.
That is by the faculty and also by
the students. I favor the board
doing as little as possible."
But Rosenbluth said the board
has a role in approving the
university's finances, in lobbying
for more money and in demanding
proof of efficiency in the university's ancillary services.
The new board, because it has a
larger membership and because
some of its members come directly
from the university, can have more
effect in seeing that the bookstore
See page 2: THREE rage   x
m\m\ IUUI '
Three labor leaders on BoG
From page 1
and food services operate well, he
Rosenbluth stressed the
procedure of setting the budget and
administering it as one of his
major concerns.
He noted that senate has a
committee dealing with the budget
but said the committee should be
made up jointly of senate and
board members because there is
still too little common knowledge
of the financing of the university.
He said he is concerned about the
university's growth and expansion
into the community but wants
these issues left to senate.
Rosenbluth said he favors
opening board meetings to the
public but wants to discuss it with
other members of the new board.
But while Rosenbluth works
within the university and has at
least some idea of what he would
like to see, some of the new board
members who do not work on
campus have • as yet only the
vaguest opinions on the role of
university and of what their job
Bing Wing Tom, an architect
employed by the Vancouver firm of
Arthur Erickson, said he would
like to see UBC have a downtown
campus and extend opportunities
for part-time students.
But Tom admitted he has little
familiarity with the university and
promised to spend time on campus
in activities not directly related to
his job to gain some knowledge of
the university's workings.
He said he wants to see faculty
and students at the university take
the initiative in effecting changes,
not the board.
Tom said his occupation as an
architect will help him on the
board because it has given him
experience in "relating physical
forms and social structures."
But he said one of his major
interests is ensuring community
involvement in the university.
"I think the university is too
isolated. I want to see the community reaching into the university and the university reaching
out into the community. I don't see
that it will be done quickly, but I'll
work on it," he said.
Among the people the NDP
government always wanted to see
on the board were union representatives.
The old board was heavily
weighted toward employers with
Clive Lytle, assistantv B.C.
Federation of Labor secretary, the
only representative of organized
labor. Lytle is one of the three
former members who has retained
his seat on the board.
There are now two additional
labor leaders: P. M. Chubb, a representative for all locals of the
Canadian Union of Public Employees in the Greater Vancouver
area and Ken Andrews, a physical
plant electrician and president of
CUPE, local 116.
Chubb was appointed by the
provincial cabinet and Andrews
was elected by UBC staff.
But the university is a complete
unknown to Chubb who promised
only to familiarize herself with
university affairs as soon as she is
She said her work in labor unions
may be of some value in regulating
university affairs but when asked
to be specific she said, "I'm afraid
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Friday. January 17. 1975
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Eligibility is based on a First Class undergraduate degree in the field of study the student
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Candidates are not required to submit application forms for the Killam Memorial Scholarships,
but should apply for admission to the Registrar,
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Canada, as early as possible.
On the basis of the information supplied in the
application, the graduate department concerned
will nominate the scholar to a selection board for
consideration and nomination for a Killam award.
I can't answer that right now. I just
hope to get acquainted with the
Andrews said he is concerned
with limiting the size of the
university and organizing its
centre as a pedestrian area.
He said he wants to see the
growth of the university limited
but would like to see part-time
education extended for all those
who want it.
The pedestrian core of the
university should be expanded, he
said and there should be further
limits on car traffic within the
"I think the idea of slowing the
pace by having people walk
through campus is a good one," he
Andrews said he expects the
board to function as any committee
functions but said he hopes his
colleagues will not use the board to
promote their own ideologies.
Also serving on the board for the
first time is anatomy professor Dr.
William Webber who was not
available for comment Thursday.
Continuing to serve on the board
besides Lytle are: Thomas Dohm,
a judge of the B.C. supreme court
from 1966 to 1971 and Charles
Connaghan, president of the
Construction Labor Relations
Association and a former AMS
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Something fo"cheers"aboui:
Now the glorious beer of Copenhagen is brewed right here in Canada.
It comes to you fresh from the brewery. So it tastes even better than ever.
And Carlsberg is sold at- regular prices.
So let's hear it, Carlsberg lovers. "One, two, three . .. Cheers!" Ukraine independence sought
The Russian Ukraine has a
greater potential for a separate
existence than Quebec, a
Ukrainian writer and lecturer said
here Thursday.
John Kolasky made the remark
while speaking to about 30 Alpha
Omega club members to publicize
the imprisonment of Russian
author Valentyen Moroz.
He said one factor which would
help the Ukraine to stand on its
own better than Quebec is its large
population of 40 million people.
"We're fighting for freedom of
language and culture," Kolasky
"I am for independence but you
have to be a realist and work for
freedom now," he said.
Kolasky said that if the Ukraine
had the rights of Quebecois, its
citizens would think they were in
Kolansky, who is a member of
the international committee for the
defence of Valentyn Moroz, said
the reason for focusing on Moroz is
not to neglect other political
prisoners in Russia but to use
Moroz as a symbol for the other
"I plead with you to do
everything you can to help political
prisoners be released," he said.
"The stronger these efforts
become the more the authorities
have to pay attention."
Kolasky said the Soviet
hierarchy is sitting in a precarious
He said it is afraid of the
possibility of an eventual war with
China and also of not being able to
feed its population.
Because of this, Russia is
"trying to mend its fences and
appear   friendly   to   the   west,"
Kolasky said. "Do everything you
can to expose that tyranny."
He said opinions of the West now
matter more to Russia and there
are some indications that pressure
from the West now results in some
internal reaction.
Kolasky, who was expelled from
Russia in 1965 for exporting
literature, said the Russians indirectly tried to kill Moroz by
placing him in a cell with convicted
murderers who in fact did manage
to stab him three times.
He said the protest by the international committee for the
—marise savaria photo
MAKING OF RADIO comedy for CBC Thursday as cast for popular
Dr. Bundolo show go through script accompanied by eager band in
background. Show is taped in SUB threatre before live audience which
hoots, honks and grunts at paragons of wit and wisdom. Admission to
weekly taping is free. Read Ubyssey classifieds for day and time of new
By JAKE van der KAMP
To hear some of this university's top
administrators talk you'd think students are
as fragile as cracked windows.
Whenever the time rolls around for
students to be elected to some board or
committee these administrators start
talking about protection for the precocious
kids who get nominated.
Elections, you understand are, like some
ahem . . . bodily functions . . . essentially of
a private nature and the less said about the
nominees, their platforms and the number
of votes they got in the election the better
things are.
Now that seems foolish but for lack of any
rational explanation we must assume it's
the reason the administration insists on
privacy during elections.
Cast your mind back one year and you'll
remember that 23 students were to be
elected to attend arts faculty meetings.
Contrary to senate guidelines the elections
were handled by Parnall and that in itself
raised quite a stink.
But Parnall managed to take the mess a
step further. He refused to release the
names of the nominees and the vote tallies.
Consequently no debates were held and
voters could do nothing but pick among
names they didn't even recognize.
Why? Well Parnall and his senate cronies
hemmed and hawed and then spewed some
rubbish about The Ubyssey compiling a
"fink list" of candidates and didn't you
know the Arts Undergraduate Society isn't
competent to handle elections. Besides
where will this world be if people start
reconsidering their decisions . . . blah blah
Parnall had at least some reason that time
to keep things secret. The AUS had urged a
boycott of the election and only 11 of the 23
positions were filled. It's still a good
question how many of those 11 could twiddle
their thumbs and chew gum at the same-
Their reasons for running in the election
ranged from' 'it just happened at a party" to
"somebody besides me was running so that
gave students more choice."
If Parnall wanted to tamper with standard
election procedure it's partly understandable though not excusable. After all
who wants to publicize such a failure.
But the recent decision not to release the
voting tallies in senate elections is a different kettle of stinking fish.
There have been many reasons for
political trickery throughout history: the
masses don't understand, our national
security will suffer, let's get the (expletive
deleted)  democrats and thousands more.
But leave it to that great innovator, the
university, to come up with an entirely new
one. Embarrassment.
Yes folks, it appears the reason the
heavies don't want to release the voting
statistics is that some people may be embarrassed when they find out how little they
impressed the voters.
"It is one thing for a man to be defeated
when he runs for senate," says classics head
Malcolm McGregor. "It is another thing for
the margin of his defeat to be publicized
over a wide area."
And McGregor backed up academic
planning director Robert Clark who told
senate members that he fears senate may
become increasingly politicized if the
results are known.
Politics, we are given to understand, is
also similar to those . . . ahem . . . bodily
functions. All that you'll find on senate is
sound business management and sound
academic backstabbing. But politics? Well
there's some but they'll try.to stamp it out.
Clark himself has little to  fear from ,'•**#•
publicity.  His  speeches  take over from iJj~*«-»-
Mother Goose when it comes to putting ,»^%f,
people asleep. f?   *
The latest insult to students has been the
decision to withhold information on the
number of votes gained by each candidate in
the recent board of governors elections.
Who knows. If called on to supply reasons
these administration throwbacks can no
doubt find hundreds. Ostensibly it's because
some student who's put himself in the limelight might not like it if voters show that
they consider his performance foolish.
But if the administration refuses to
divulge the results it's up to others to find
and publish them.
defence of Valentyn Moroz and
other organizations has succeeded
in forcing the Russian officials to
place Moroz in a cell with less
violent prisoners.
Kolasky said the exploitation by
the USSR of fringe areas like the
Ukraine and the oppression of
individual freedoms has produced
a mass movement behind
dissidents in Russia.
He said most of the top industrial
and political posts in the Ukraine
are filled with Russians, not
Using 10-year-old statistics,
Kolasky said fewer Ukrainians per
capita enter university in the
Ukraine than Russians; the per
capita savings of Ukrainians was
lower than Russian savings and the
per capita spending of Ukrainians
was lower than Russian spending.
He said conditions in Russia are
chaotic, disordered and lacking in
Bureaucratic red tape is
strangling the country and that
Russian citizens are constantly
lining up to see some bureaucrat,
he said.
"No matter what you have to do
or where you have to go you have to
line up for permission," he said.
Kolasky said the Soviet Union is
constantly short of necessities and
Russians must line up in bread
lines for food.
"Because of the killing of all
human initiative nobody cares any
more," he said.
Scotland Yard reports that, thanks
to the Polaroid Corporation, letter
bombs have become almost impossible to detect.
The problem started when
Polaroid invested $500 million to
perfect its SX-70 camera, a new
camera that gives users instant
The SX-70 Polaroid film packs
each contain individual batteries
which supply the power to develop
the prints.
Scotland Yard detectives say
that letter bombers are using the
film packs and their extremely
tiny battery units to detonate letter
Detectives say that prior to the
SX-70, they could spot letter bombs
by looking for suspiciously thick
envelopes. The new trigger
mechanism, however, is so thin
that it often slips through police
van der KAMP. Faculty
After first starting a certification bid and later moving to
stop it, the Faculty Association is considering a series of
contract proposals that don't set it too far away from those
nasty little workers at all.
Association members are now examining proposals
forwarded by an advisory sub-committee — and the
proposals are great in themselves.
The committee advises seeking, among other things,
$3,000 across-the-board salary increases, a guaranteed
mortgage fund for professors and, best of all, elimination of
salary differentials between men and women faculty
members in similar jobs.
It just has to be hoped, however, that the clause
eliminating discrimination isn't the first to be thrown out
the window during negotiations — but at the moment, that's
What is of immediate import is what faculty members
will do if the administration fails to meet their demands —
in whatever modified form these finally emerge from
association meetings.
Will they stage a work slowdown? (For some we know
that would.be rather difficult, considering they lecture like
a 78 record played at 45 rpm.)
Would they withhold their services completely? (In lower
echelons, that's called a strike?)
If so, how would this make them any different from, say,
the United Steelworkers of America?
Really, now. Isn't the Faculty Association already a
union of sorts that winds down between contracts?
And wasn't the certification bid merely a recognition of
the fact rather than a wildly radical move?
And isn't it about time people recognize that?
C'mon profs. Wipe that chalk dust off the old collars and
recognize that they really are blue and not white.
Because now that contract time is due, you're not going
to tell anyone you'll bargain any less heatedly than Big
Only in softer accents.
JANUARY 10,1975
Published   Tuesdays,   Thursdays   and   Fridays   throughout   the
university year by the Alma Mater Society of the University of
B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the writer and not of the AMS
or the university administration. Member, Canadian University
Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page Friday, a weekly commentary
and review. The Ubyssey's editorial offices are located in room
241K of the Student Union Building.
Editorial  departments, 228-2301; Sports, 228-2305; advertising,
Editor: Lesley Krueger
It was time to assign the PF interview of the week and Ken Dodd had a
problem. Well, two really, but we can only talk about one in print. "I have
a problem," he mused. "Shall I assign Marcus Gee to the story or is Robert
Diotte.the man for the job?"
It was a complicated dilemma. Last week he'd sent cub reporter Doug
Rushton to tackle baseball celebrity Carl Westerback but as Dodd so
succinctly pointed it, "He didn't even make it to first base."
Then the week before, eager young Gary Coull was assigned to go
behind the scenes in TV hockey, only to return mumbling about his father
and breaking into hysterical giggles. "I think that was something Sue
Vohanka should have handled instead. I've never noticed any complex in
that sensible woman about her father, well-known 32-year-old socialite and
man-about town Dan Miller."
Well, there was funnyman Alan Doree, pleghmatic Richard Yates, or
right-wing columnist Lesley Krueger, known for her social involvement
with capitalists. There's tough and cynical Reed Clarke, vivacious Boyd
McConnell, or that godless socialist Jake van der Kamp, a termagant of a
man if ever there was one.
Mark Buckshon? Nahhh, he'd frighten off the subject with his deadly
calm manner of tossing crucial questions off with a wicked flip of his
If only it was another sports story. Then he could send out Cedric
Tetzel or Ron Binns, who knew the rip-offs — and the pay-offs — behind
every big game.
Denise Chong? Bernie Bischoff? Or both of them * they were known as
the best-matched team since Woodward and Bernstein — since Lois Lane
and Clark Kent, for that matter. Chong, the superman behind the modest
exterior. Bischoff, the quick wits and canny -knack for dropping into a
situation at the propitious moment, noted throughout the trade.
Tom Barnes? Hold it — he was on assignment in Prince George. A biggie
interview with a woman known only as Nell.
Gary Lenney? He'd grumble and he'd bitch, but he might do it. Or Sue
Vohanka, just finished knocking a hole out of the myths surrounding Stu
Lyster, that bastard.
Photogs were no problem. Marise Savaria and Sucha Singh were free and
willing to tackle the assignment, although God help their cameras. The
lenses might just shatter under the strain.
But that still left the reporter. And he'd run through all the staff with
no luck.
Just who the hell was the right person to pin Ralph Maurer down about
how he achieves his never-fail color-combo matching shirt and sweater
outfits, Dodd asked himself.
It might be too much to hope, but maybe Pat Slattery was free.
It's absolutely the latest thing in high-backed leg support.
From an undercooked chip*
"I'm a Student.
"You know, one of those people who
live in grungy rooms and eat SUBstandard
food until they begin to resemble
undercooked French Fries.
"And you know why I do those nasty
things? Because I live on the Poverty Line
— an invention of the government's
somewhat akin to a concentration camp,
only more subtle.
"And why do I live on the Poverty
Line? Because people are allowed to pay
me Shit Wages, known as The Minimum
Wage in polite circles.
"Now I blush to admit it, but one of
the instituions that likes especially to stick
me with the Minimum Wage is my very
own University. That is, when it pays me at
all. Sometimes it makes me pay. Then it's
called Tuition.
"But Tuition aside, my University
often employs me as a library or clerical
worker, and that's where the Shit Wages
come in.
"Now the other clerical and library
workers, unionized under the Association
of University and College Employees are
finally starting to get a Decent Wage,
something usually talked about only in
Faculty Association contract meetings.
"Me I'm stuck with the minimum. The
University refuses to pay me the same wage
as the other workers.
"That's not fair. I do the same work,
even if I only do it part time.
"So I support AUCE in their bid to get
my wages raised right up with theirs.
"And then maybe I'll start talking
about getting some more money for the
other jobs I do here.
"Like teaching. And marking papers.
And doing research. And doing
studies. . ."
Letters please
Not to make a self-obvious statement or
anything, but The Ubyssey has hit the
pavements of this fair campus once again.
That means we're soliciting letters from
all and sundry.
Got a bitch, comment, piquant
statement, incredibly boring message on
anything at all? We're ready to receive them.
Keep in mind that we encourage people
to not just write in about something they've
seen on campus, but also react to what we
print here.
You can send any letter through campus
mail free, or drop it off in the office — The
Ubyssey, SUB 241K, University of B.C.
We reserve the right to edit letters for
libel and taste, and are usually kind enough
to clean up the grammar and spelling on
most submissions.
It's muchly appreciated if the letters are
typed. If you don't have a typewriter of
your own, we have a few in the office.
You're free to use them.
UBC strikes
Up to now I've quietly complied
with the futile, useless, archaic and
ignoramic rules of (W)Rec(K)
UBC. But last night was the last
A bunch of guys decided to go
over to the gym and shoot a few
baskets with their own ball.
There was no scheduled use of
the floor at the time so it was
assumed it was okay to go on. All
were properly equipped with
athletic footwear and clothing.
However, no one has a Rec UBC
A short while later the Rec
stoolie as making his "Gestapo"
rounds to check everyone's Rec
cards. Finding that none of the
group had Rec cards, he asked
them to leave.
Upon refusing, since they
weren't using any Rec equipment,
the Rec goofie called the Campus
(Cowboy) Patrol who then called
the RCMP who them filed out a
formal complaint against the
I'm sure the RCMP has better
things to do than track down
renegade basketball shooters in
the gym. And as for the Rec UBC
program, I don't think I can go on
because this funny substance with
a rather vomitous taste comes up
my throat whenever I think . . .
Mauro Chiesa
arts 3
On Jan. 7 about noon, my attache
case was taken from a cubicle in
the main library.
It is a two inch masonite
executive case, deep red exterior,
red plush interior, with combination lock.
It contains the Canadian Anthology, Like Death Warmed Over
(text on the psychology of consciousness plus all my English
notes and two finished assignments.
I cannot afford to replace these
things (in fact, I have had to apply
for financial aid) but will offer a
reward for information and its
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National Lampoon: 'bad
taste is a relative thing1
The following is an interview with
National Lampoon co-editor Sean Kelly
reprinted from the University of Western
Ontario Gazette. In the interview, G is for
Gazette and K is for Kelly [duh!].
K: The sound of man eating Fogleburger.
G: It's hard to put that on paper, (laughter).
G: I guess the basic thing is who are you?
K: Well, I am Marie of Rumania, an 18th
century prince, quite mad, eating a hamburger.
K: I am, do you really want me to introduce
G: Sure.
K: My name is Jill St. John and I'm here for
four hours.
K: I'm one of the people who edits the
National Lampoon Magazine and my name
is Sean Kelly.
G: Why are you here?
K: I am here to eat a Fogleburger, I've
come thousands of miles to eat this
Fogleburger. I am here because next week
— coming to eat Fogleburgers — is the
National Lampoon show, which is five
improvisational actors who try to make
people laugh twice a night, and I wanted to
see what kind of an environment they'll be
working in.
G: Are they part of the actual magazine? or
are they sort of a spin-off organization?
K: The five of them are regulars on the
National Lampoon radio show — so in that
sense they are part of the magazine, but
they wanted to go out on tour, I mean they
got sort of bored in the studio, so we said
fine, sure.
G: What is the relationship between the
radio show and the magazine to Twenty-first
Century Communications?
K: The parent company is something called
Twenty-First Century Communications but
in fact the National Lampoon is pretty much
a sovereign entity. I mean we don't have
either hassles with publishers or hassles
with advertisers or any of that stuff. We
wanted to do a radio show so we built a
studio upon the llth floor of this absurd
building we're in on Madison Avenue and we
do a radio show every week. Michael
O'Donoghue one of the founding editors of
the magazine got bored doing the same
thing. I mean the magazine is all print
parody. What we deal with is print in print,
and you can only do so much in print, and
Michael had done all he wanted to do in
print, so he decided he wanted a radio show.
He held his breath, and turned blue and
screamed until we gave him a radio show,
and he did it for 13 weeks and then decided
that he didn't want a radio show, an- he's no
longer with the magazine, or with the radio
show. I presume he is still with old lady, I
don't know. Michael O'Donoghue, he certainly appeared to be a fore-figure of the
whole publication.
Michael is, well, he would be the first to
tell you that he is the greatest comic writer
now living in America. Michael is incredibly
good, he's almost as good as he thinks he is,
and he just ran out of gas for the magazine.
He's working on screen plays now and
writing for Oui magazine, which some
people would consider a step up, I suppose.
Michael was very important to the
magazine in its beginnings. He wrote vast
amounts of it.
Between Michael, Doug Kenny and Henry
Beard, they wrote the magazine for the first
two years, with a little help from other
Doug leaves every couple of months and
goes insane. He goes to someplace big like
Big Sur or Martha's vineyard or anywhere
where they don't notice if you are insane,
then he comes back and works on the
magazine for another six months.
Henry Beard (another editor) is beyond
neurosis into psychosis. He doesn't know
he's crazy and so he just sticks around, and
is still there. A couple new people have been
brought in recently, Brian McConnachie and
G: Did the National Lampoon grow out of
the Harvard Lampoon?
K: The founding editors were at Harvard.
The Harvard Lampoon is a weird thing. Not
being a Harvard boy myself, I don't fully
understand it, but I gather it's like a frat,
and a magazine, and a way of life, and an
honor. Their Lampoon has this building
that's a crazy-looking castle in the middle of
Harvard Square; with bizarre jesters
hanging from the walls in order to get into it,
you have to be rushed and initiated.
They turn out a magazine every now and
again; but it's very upper class and very
Harvard Lampoon humor is that
everything that happens in the world is
beneath contempt. That's the thrust of
Harvard Lampoon humor. Well, two people
from the Harvard Lampoon work for the
National Lampoon.
More Fogleburger.
They were joined by Michael O'Donohue
in the beginning, and Michael's whole experience was counter-culture. So you get
two boys from Harvard thinking that
everything in the world is beneath contempt, and who are very good writers and
funny; and you add to them a guy who was
at Columbia when Columbia was struck and
was at Woodstock and was through the
whole scene, and who is funny, and that
combination is the impulse behind the
It's not specious that we began in 1970,
which is the year that everybody gaye up on
the 60s, and everybody was a bit embarrassed. Do you remember feeling embarrassed in 1970? That it's all over and I
took part in it and it was such a rip-off. I
actually thought the Beatles were going to
save the world, Oh Jesus Christ, what was I
thinking of. I actually thought Bob Dylan
was a poet, instead of a schmuck, which is
what he is. The Lampoon came in and
really appealed to people who were embarrassed about the counter-culture.
Embarrassed about the part they played in
it, but they didn't want a bunch of people
who had never been in it to put it down, you -
It's OK if you were there to say, Let's face
it Woodstock was . . . mud, but if you
weren't there, then you were just a prick.
So we had that going for us, we had people
like Michel Choquette, and Michael
O'Donoghue, who had been there, who had
really paid their dues.
That lasted us from 1970 to late 1973, that
energy, and then we didn't know what we
were going to do, and luckily Nixon became
such a ripe target.
We circulated a big petition in New York
to bring Nixon back . . . Humorists for
Nixon-Agnew . . .
G: Do you think that you've got somebody
better in Ford?
K: Well, Gerry is really just one joke. He's
just a meatball. Gerry is just Mr. Meatball
America. Mr. Gelatin Barrier . . . Duh . . .
and that's more than absurd, I mean that's
goofy. That's the way he is, really.
Gerry TerHorst used to be his Mickey
Mouse... I don't know who he's got
now . . . Gosh, President Ford . . . Duh,
What is it, Mickey?
So we're in trouble now, because we don't
know what's funny any more.
• But we think farts are funny. I think farts
are funny. Have you ever thought about
snake farts? There are snakes in Africa
whose farts are more deadly than their
bites. If you get downwind of a snake like
that it's over. I mean there's no antidote.
You can see it move down the snake's
body. You think it's swallowed something,
like a mouse. Un-Uh. A snake fart. They've
never been captured, these snakes because
if they are about to be captured they turn
around and bite their own tails, and kill
themselves, by farting into their own
mouths. You probably didn't know that. I
think that's funny. The whole notion of snake
farts. I think we'll do a snake fart issue.
G: Is there a theme, a general sense that
you are trying to convey to people who read
your magazine?
K: No.
G: Just try and make them laugh?
K: To use a capitalistic expression, that's
the bottom line, that's how we know what to
put into the magazine. Is it funny? Most
magazines have either a good taste-bad
taste distinction that they make — right? or
they have a politically correct — politically
incorrect or pretty not pretty, or in between
depending upon the magazine. Accurate or
not accurate, I suppose, would be a news
magazine. We have funny — not funny,
which doesn't mean everything in  it is
always funny to everybody, but everything
in it is funny to at least one editor, and that's
the only way we have of judging.
G: Is the magazine a straight business?
K: The magazine makes a lot of money.
G: What's the motivation though, is it profit,
or are you trying to get something through
to the people?
K: Well, there is no getting around the fact
that the magazine is published at 635
Madison Ave. I mean, I don't know what
kind of magazine it would be in Cuba but on
Madison Avenue, it is a capitalist magazine.
So the motives of the people who buy the
paper, and solicit the advertising and deal
with the distributors and say no, you can't
have nine colors on the page, you nit, it'll
cost a fortune, their motives are profit. I get
a salary, so whether I write a piece well or
badly, there's no profit motive for me in that
G: Who is making the money from Lampoon, if the editors and writers are salaried,
where's it going to?
K: The stockholders.
G: Is it limited control, is there a big base?
K: Well, it's on the big board, at New York.
G: The 'I don't care as long as you make a
profit' attitude?
K: That's right. The stockholders don't care
what we do, as long as we continue to make
money for them. And the advertisers don't
care what we do as long as we continue to
sell their product. So in that way there is
kind of a bizarre freedom.
G: How long have you been with the Lampoon?
K: Since the third issue.
G: What kind of an internal organization do
you have?
K: There are only five of us who know what
is going on at the Lampoon, and we don't
know. There are five editors, and we make
all the decisions. Occasionally the publisher
comes in and goes "Hey guys, gimme a
break." and ninety-nine times out of a
hundred we say no. And he goes "Ah, you're
breaking my heart", and goes away. One
time we'll say O.K. what the hell. . .
He's especially sensitive to anti-Semitic
stuff, so he gets uptight every now and again
about that. He's also sensitive to anti-
Catholic stuff, because the Catholic Church
really brings a lot of heat down. Not the
church, not the pope, but some clown . . .
William Buckley . . . some fascist.
G: Billy Graham?
K: No, it would be one of Billy Graham's
lieutenants. It wouldn't be Billy, I mean
Billy is too big for that kind of stuff . . . and
he can't read. It would be some little guy
that works for him.
G: A while back it seemed the magazine was
going through an identity crisis, in the sense
of finding you just how far you could go,
what was bad taste. You seemed to be
putting in the worst jokes possible to see
what your readers would think was funny,
and we had the sense that you were really
disgusted to find that people were saying
"Wow, this is the funniest thing yet." Did
that really take place?
K: The magazine is in a constant state of
identity crisis, because it isn't like any other
magazine. It doesn't have a policy. An editor
at Time magazine will turn to the writer at
Time magazine and say, "This just isn't
Time," and he knows what he means, and
the writer knows what he means, and that's
fine. Time has an identity and a policy, and
ditto Harper's or Esquire or the New
Yorker ... or MacLean's . . . there are
MacLean's' articles, and there are articles
that aren't MacLeans, and that's it.
There is no definition of a Lampoon.
G: Is there such a thing as bad taste?
K: Well, I think so, and probably you think
so, and probably everybody thinks so, but
we would all disagree on what it was;
G: OK, what's bad taste to you?
K: Hurting children, that's bad taste. I'm
really opposed to that. But somebody might
disagree. That happens to really turn me
off. I don't want to rationalize it. I don't have
any excuse for it. It drives me nuts. I hate it.
So dead baby jokes in the National Lampoon
freak me out. I hate them. The trouble is
Seepage 13: YANKS Page 6
Friday, January 10,  1975
•canned laughter-
Well it's time to dip into the ole
mail bag, except it's empty
because my reader is out of town.
It ain't fair, Allan Frozenham
gets letters. Jack Wasserman Test
gets letters. Ubyssey foreign
correspondent Gary Cool gets laid.
Dingle McBub gets letters and he's
been dead for 10 years. I've been
dead for only two years, so what's
the matter with everybody out
there in campus land?
Well a good writer never lets
himself come to a halt, which
puzzles me because I've been
standing still for several years
now. I think I have to blame it on
other people though, editors
Anyway, here are the letters I
didn't get.
I read The Ubyssey religiously —
I have to I'm a monk — but I can't
bring myself to read your stuff.
What are you like?
Brother John, The Sheet Metal
I'm 6'2", 190 lbs. and I look like
Robert Redford in heat. Unfortunately, J'm hung like a
lemming, by the neck until dead.
I have a rose complexion which,
coincidentally, matches exactly
the color of the wine of the same
name. However, it pales to white
near the onset of my girl friend's
menstrual period. This also puzzles
me since I don't have a girl friend.
I do have several neuroses and an
ulcer, but they're still only puppies.
Why aren't you funny?
Ralph Horror, dwarf, arts 2-1/2
It's a genetic afflication. You
should understand that, you see
one every time you look in a
Is it true you drove both Liz
Taylor  and  Linda   Lovelace   to
frenzy in the same night?
Gary Cool, hickies 3
Yes. Frenzy is a small town near
Where do you get all your good
Vaughn Pustule, mechanical
therapy       12
I steal them from other people.
In fact, I even stole that one from
Pierre Burstin but he hasn't
noticed it's missing yet.
My really good stuff is stolen
from genuinely funny people like
Margarine Truedough, Beryl
Plumbob, Fuel Gibbons and Joe
Crozier and the Vancouver
I recognize your columns as
subtle restatements of classic
anthropological theory. I am very
into anthropology, at least, I am
very into an anthropologist which
is almost the same thing. I believe
anthropology is almost as effective
as Contact C and is neo-nauseous in
What is anthropology?
Claude Levi-Jeans,
prophet, cosmic understanding 3
Anthropology   is  the  study  of
Are you really an anthropology
UBC anthropology department
No, I was recently demoted to an
anthropology corporal.
How do your columns ever get
Lesley Crewcut, editor, The
I blackmail members of UBC's
staff and faculty into writing them
after I catch them performing
unnatural acts with the clock
How do you  really  get  your
columns written?
The staff and faculty of UBC
I usually find that any 600 words
I select at random from the Encyclopedia Ukrainia will do.
Were you really The Ubyssey's
first round draft pick in 1974?
Ken Clod,
veterinary psychiatrist, rhetoric 4
Wrong. That was Eddie "Boom-
Boom" Hatoum, otherwise known
as the "Halvah Rocket." I was
acquired in a trade with the
Penticton Peaches in exchange for
four rolls of patent leather toilet
paper and a do-it-yourself hernia
I'm a young humorist and
everybody tells me I'm brilliantly
funny and undoubtedly have a
terrific career ahead of me so I
would like to write humor columns
for The Ubyssey. Where is The
Ubyssey's office?
Gordon Beerstein,
politician with training wheels,
pity        4
Who's your favorite stand-up
George Shovalo.
I want to be a humor writer, do
you have any tips on how to get
Be funny.
Why are the Toronto Maple
Leafs sending Eddie Shackedup
down to the minors?
Vaughn Pustula
Maybe he  likes  to  work  underground.
When are you coming home for
Bremer's educational ideas
ignored by Victoria hacks
BREMER ... smiling again
From page 1
education     commissioner     in
February, 1973.
At that time,  the government
saw a need to revise relationships
between the universities and
government and change
educational techniques in
elementary and secondary schools.
Bremer developed a radical
education channelling system to
increase options and give a focus to
'Any housing
will help'
From page 1
kind of extensive building program
UBC has.
Mochnacki said the previous
board never made an effort to get
provincial money for housing
because members felt they'd be
diverting money other bound for
academic purposes.
"They were discouraged by the
old Universities Act," he said.
"The new universities council
will not chop money off from other
parts for academic purposes," he
"Any housing built will ease the
housing shortage in the community."
the individual student's education.
Bremer's ideas for education
reform did not become public until
after he was fired.
Dailly has said Bremer was fired
because "he talked too much and
did too little."	
blorg minister of the inferior
Flemdrop Borzoi today said the
results of the recent provincial
election in the strife-torn province
of Propaine indicated a complete
rejection of separatism.
The federally-backed Unity
party, running unopposed, racked
up an impressive victory at the
polls on Friday, taking 101 of 110
seats in the new assembly.
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Racist, sexist, violent, sterile, but good
Having eagerly seen all of the James Bond
films, I wasn't disappointed by The Man
With The Golden Gun. Completely lacking in
originality (there is hardly an incident
which hasn't appeared in previous 007 films)
it is nevertheless highly entertaining for
The Man With the Golden Gun.
Starring Roger Moore, Peter Cushing and
Britt Ekland.
Showing at the Vogue.
anyone who likes the genre. Perhaps the
only new element is that if you squint hard
enough you can actually see pubic hair for
the first time, in the opening credits
Bond films are formula films, and this one
is no exception. All you need is a villain
hatching some diabolical plot against the
Western world, a handful of beautiful
women, a plucky square-jawed wisecracking James Bond, exotic locations, a
nonsensical plot, and some remote
hideaway with a store of technological
gadgetry for our hero to destroy.
In these bleak times Bond reaches out to
our domestic hearts by pursuing a tiny piece
of gadgetry which somehow or other will
provide the essential missing piece to a
Solar Energy machine, a magnificent piece
of engineering operated on dynamics as
dubious as a Flash Gordon space-rocket.
The gadget is in the hands of Scaramanga,
an urbane assassin (a half-caste, of course)
who commands one million pounds for each
killing he commits. Like all Bond's opponents he is a physical freak, in this case
our villain is distinguished by three nipples,
which leads to lots of word-plays on "tit".
For example Bond remarks, "I think he
found my conversation quite titillating."
Actually this is funnier than it sounds,
though perhaps an essential pre-requisite
for enjoying Bond movies is to see them in
crowded theatres while being slightly
The plot hardly matters, providing a
flimsy reason for globetrotting pursuits and
a series of brilliant vignettes in scenery of
the kind which tourist brochures describe, as
The stunts are as good as anything seen
before, and of course the inflatable plastic
actresses predictably find the wooden
charms of Roger Moore completely
irresistible. The red-neck sheriff who
completely stole the last Bond show (Live
and Let Die) makes a welcome reappearance in the same role.
The only jarring moments in the film are
when Bond becomes pompously moralistic
about   killing,   firstly   when   the   gives
Scaramanga's gun-maker a stern telling-
off, and secondly when he crushes
Scaramanga's argument that killers enjoy
killing with the brilliant reply "I only kill
because my government tells me to." Henry
Kissinger would love the ethics of this film.
Like the books on which they are based,
the Bond films are sexist and implicitly
racist (see Mordecai Richler's astute
dissection of the Fleming books in his
collection of essays, Shovelling Trouble).
Bond's opponents are invariably fat, bald,
gay, foreign or dwarves.
But even dwarves started small, and to
adopt a humourless attitude to a movie like
The Man With the Golden Gun is a poin-
tlessly sterile exercise. Everyone who goes
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by now. I was happy to find it a lot better
than the lukewarm reviews I'd read had led
me to expect, and certainly better than the
last one.
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A proper samurai's death
"Despite the effort he had put into the
blow himself, the lieutenant had the impression that someone else had struck his
side agonizingly with a rod of iron. For a
second or so his head reeled and he had no
idea what had happened. The five or six
inches of naked point vanished completely
into his flesh.
"He returned to consciousness. The blade
had  certainly  pierced  the  wall  of   his
Mishima: a Biography,
by John Nathan,
Little, Brown and Company,, 1974
stomach, he thought. It was difficult to
breathe, his chest pounded, and in some
deep distant region which he could hardly
believe was a part of himself, a fearful
excruciating pain came welling up as if the
ground had opened to disgorge a boiling
stream of molten lava. The pain came
suddently nearer, with terrifying
speed. . . ." from the short story,
The fantasy of death was the dominant
passion of Yukio Mishima's life. It is the
theme that constantly surfaces in his
writings in so many unexpected ways.
Eroticism and death, purity and death, the
warrior and death are portrayed as linked at
an intimate level.
Western readers are acquainted with
Mishima more through the dramatic finale
of his life than through the delicate, but
hard-edged writings which justly
established his fame as a writer. On Nov. 25,
1970 Mishima was able to act out the one
great need that was always with him: he
achieved death through the warrior's act of
hara kiri.
Over the course of two years he carefully
gathered a private army of 100 blind
adherents to his doctrines. For a full year he
planned the drama that would climax his
life. During the last year he completed all of
his literary projects. For weeks he carried
around his plan detailing how each of the
last minutes of his life would be acted out.
What is incredible is the care and per-
severence which he put into this project. If
the autobiographical novel, Sun and Steel,
written in 1968, is to be believed, then the
body-building exercises that Mishima
started during the mid-50s was a
preparation for his samurai warrior death.
Perhaps what is most incredible is that
this eminently literary person could so
completely turn his back to his real nature.
He was a sensitive and reflective person but
he dreamed of himself as tough and hard
and able to undergo the agonies of death.
This man of the pen insisted in his last
message to his family that his body be
dressed as that of a military man and not as
a literateur.
Mishima was reared in an environment
which seems to have been expressly
designed to distort him into something
hideous. His ailing grandmother, an
irascible, dominating woman, took him
from his mother and guarded him in her
bedroom for the first 12 years. This placed
him at the centre of a struggle between two
very possessive women. During the later
part of this 12-year period, he tended his
grandmother while she slowly edged toward
Japanese fathers play a very dominant
role in their families. Mishima's father was
typical in this regard, but untypical in the
extent to which he was incapable of showing
love or understanding for his son. Instead he
sought consciously to "develop" his son.
One extremely pernicious experience
which Mishima had to undergo for the sake
of his father's program to develop his
masculinity occurred during a walk along
some railroad tracks. As the train approached, Mishima's father covered his
four-year-old son's face with his hat and
held him out to within inches of where the
train would roar past. His words to his son?
"Are you scared? Don't worry — and if you
cry like a weakling I'll throw you in a ditch."
John Nathan assembles all the
biographical details that went into
establishing the enormous complexities and
Shield Society . . . Mishima with members of his own army.
distortions of Mishima's psychology. Unfortunately he does not succeed in going
beyond these data to realize a truly
penetrating analysis of Mishima's
fascination with death. We are left at the
level of disconnected facts. No profound
sense of insight is instilled in the reader.
This biography provides us with no sense
of drama or special acquaintance with
Mishima . . . with samurai sword.
Early Hesse writings
dull, uninspired
"In every college of the land, the Hesse boom has hit peak phase and become so powerful
that it has even knocked Camus off his 'portable pedestal.' Ever since Timothy Leary
pronounced Steppenwolf his favorite work of literature, Hesse has been standard
psychedelic equipment, along with water-pipes, day-glow art, the Maharishi, Jim
Morrison and the I Ching." — Stepen Koch, "Prophet of Youth, The New Republic, July
Today Hesse has relinquished his spot in the pantheon of culture heroes. His writings
now speak to us not in the role of shibboleths of culture-identity but as lyrical in-
Stories of Five Decades,
Hermann Hesse,
Bantam Books, 1974.
vestigations into the soul of modern man. A reader approaching Hesse today comes to
read and enjoy, not to do the requisite genuflections that cultural idolatry demands.
This book is a collection of short stories stretching over the whole of Hesse's writing
career. Despite the title, most are drawn from the early years when his most conventional
(and uninspired) work was done. These early stories were written under the influence of
late 19th century romanticism and tend to be too sentimental and present only a melancholy realism.
It is interesting that in 1916 Hesse underwent an artistic crisis in which he rejected all his
earlier work as worthless. His attitude is best captured in his reply to a publisher who
wished to present a collection of selected works from this earlier period: "There was
nothing there to select. . . There was no doubt in my mind that, of all my stories, not a
single one was good enough as a work of art to be worth mentioning." Unfortunately,
Bantam Books has decided to foist a collection of stories, three-quarters of which are
drawn from this early, immature and uncreative period of his life.
There are seminal stories that Hesse wrote in these years, but Bantam Books has not
chosen to include them in this collection. Instead we are presented with a series of stories
that are uneven in quality but consistently inferior as examples of Hesse's art.
The Latin Scholar is a sample of one of the sentimental tales in this collection. The story
, concerns a young student who falls in love, in his young innocence, with a servant girl. She
returns the affection but not the love because of its social impossibility. Instead she
engages herself to a carpenter's apprentice. The young scholar is crushed. Hesse brings a
tidy ending to the story by reuniting the principals at the end of a year. The apprentice is
now permanently disabled by an accident, and the servant girl now a wife — exhibits to the
young scholar the depth and transforming powers of love. This allows the young scholar to
rise above his own disconsolateness with a new insight into the nature of love.
One of the better tales in this collection, entitled Walter Kompff, explores a man's
search for God. It is the simple account of this man's earnest search for God. He fails, and
in the end he comes to accept the lack of God's existence. This theme is re-explored in the
succeeding store The Field Devil.
The stories in this collection do not have the depth that Hesse's later novels exhibit.
Hesse's finest work explores psychological complexities and none of that is present here.
Mishima. The biography reads as a careful
compilation of details neatly arranged into a
consecutive account. Even the literary
works of Mishima are not examined with
anything more than a concern to find details
that add to biographical data. On the whole
this is disappointing.
From a precocious young writer, Mishima
developed into one of Japan's most exciting
writers and then drifted into a twilight
career marked with an uneven production of
writings. The early Mishima wrote florid
romantic stories. Stories far too precious in
their language, but which carried the motif
of all his works: death. In A Forest In Full
Flower, his first novel, he exults with an
eroticism of death. Death is equated with
Supreme Beauty.
To Mishima's sorrow post-war Japan
turned away from this overly romantic
literature to one that was more engaged
with social reality. Post-war Japan wanted
a literature of realism. For several years all
of Mishima's literary efforts were unsuccessful because of this new climate. It
was not until 1949 that Mishima was able to
reorient his writing.
This stark autobiographical novel, Confessions Of A Mask, was a success. He had
found his footing in the literary realities of
post-war Japan and could now proceed to
develop his career. -The new Mishima
brought a devastating realism to the
psychology of the characters in his novels.
His tendency toward romanticism and a
preciousness of language still lingered in his
writing, but it was tempered.
The zenith of Mishima's career occurred
in the mid-50s. He had smashing success
with sales of The Sound Of Waves and The
Temple Of The Golden Pavilion. The former
is his only novel that presents a normal
healthy view of human relationships — in
this case, a story of young lovers. Mishima
later referred to this book as "that joke on
the public."
During the 60s Mishima began to drop
from the public's favor. He produced a
series of minor works that had a steady
success but little literary merit. His few
attempts at writing substantial novels failed
to achieve the popularity that he felt they
deserved. Along with this sorrow, Mishima
had to accept the fact that Kawabata won
the Nobel prize that he had fully expected to
get. Perhaps these circumstances played a
role in pushing him toward his suicide two
years later.
His suicide brought him the death he had
long sought. As his mother observed at a
memorial service just after his death:
"You should have brought red roses for a
celebration. This was the first time in his life
Kimitake did something he always wanted
to do. Be happy for him."
Friday, January 10, 1975
Page Friday. 3 PF    INTERW
In the first of PF's weekly series of interviews, staffer
Robert Diotte talks with and records his reactions to
Tom Wayman, radical Vancouver poet and UBC grad
historical context for the Wobs and the
working man's struggle. Wayman quit the
group though, after a 1973 convention of the
Wobblies held in Chicago voted the
Canadian administration, a decentralized
arm of the association, illegal.
Besides his affiliation with the Wobs,
Wayman has wide experience as a member
of the working class. He has worked in
demolition and construction. He has been a
teacher's aide and spent time in a local
truck factory as an assemblyman. He's also
held several government positions as well: a
'welfare recipient, an unemployment insurance collector, and various Canada
Council arts grants. Then there was his
Wayman . . . talented poet.
Tom Wayman, poet and former editor of
The Ubyssey, is sitting back on a brass bed
in his suite. The light from a small lamp on a
table next to the bed gleams in the octagonal
lenses of his glasses so that his eyes are
disguised in a pale brilliance; the words
tumble out of his mouth.
He has cautioned me of his tendency to
"lie" — a word and a concept about words
which has wormed its way into his poetry
recently. By the time this interview is over,
I will learn that he is quite an excellent
"liar", for it is the simplicity and the candid
, frankness of his "lies" which I will take
home with me.
The author of two collections of poetry to
date, Waiting for Wayman and For and
Against the Moon: Blues, Yells and
Chuckles, as well as a part of several important anthologies, including Al Purdy's
Storm Warning, Wayman has been tagged
as a "working man's poet" because of the
many poems which treat the subject of the
working man in a capitalist society. The
collections display poems like Loneliness of
the Unemployed and Casual Labour, both
from the first book, and the Alexander
Poems and the inventively rich and original
Unemployment Insurance Commission
Poems, from the second.
Moreover, Wayman was a member of the
resurrected Industrial Workers of the
World. The "Wobblies" were an anti-
capitalist trade union committed to the
abolition of wage slavery. This group was
founded in the U.S. in 1905 and collapsed
during the 20s, succumbing to the pressure
from big business and government.
"The Wobs believed no one should tell you
how much you're worth," Wayman says.
"They believed people will do anything
rather than get a job and learn to do it from
the guy who's already there."
The Country of Everyday: For the Union
Dead from the second book, projects a brief
First   and   fourth   photos   by   Philippe
Sigouin, third photo by Rodney Konopaki.
directly with the subject of the working
Wayman describes his poetry as "simply
a response to conditions today; they are
poems about being alive now." The poetry is
Tom Wayman "talking to people."
This explains his satisfaction with a series
of poetry readings he did in the East
recently. Wayman says that poetry is
written to be read and it needs the human
contact that the poetry reading gives it. He
meets a lot of people. But, more importantly, he can reach more people in
readings than he can with his books.
Nevertheless, as well conceived and
written as the rest of his work is, Wayman
the social critic, the consciousness of the
working man, projecting the problems, the
anxieties and the humor of the working
man's world in a style linguistically simple
and direct, stands out. This poetry is a
poetry about struggles with bureaucrats and
their "lies." It is a poetry which defines the
various indignities .the paper universe piles
on the working man. At the same time, the
poetry creates a new dignity for the working
man in the face of the bureaucrats and their
paper, a dignity founded on the catalogue of
awareness the poems provide.
In the wake of the radical activity of the
late 60s, Wayman feels a sense of failure he
explains as a product of the way the New
Left operated. He sees the movement as one
which was based on issues too distant from
the daily activities of the working man,
issues which the New Left tried to exploit for
Wayman . . . former Ubyssey editor.
work as editor of The Ubyssey and, during
the summers, as a Sun reporter.
Currently Wayman is working on a script
for a film which will deal with B.C. labor
history between 1912-18. As Wayman tells it,
the film will have special significance today
because it raises the issue of squandering
our natural resources. The coal resources
have been used up so that now there are no
coal mines in the area. The film's central
thrust will be "ownership and resources —
how men are used and how they use the
But, despite all his activity in and about
working class history and the problems of
the working man, Wayman disagrees with
the tag of a "working man's poet."
"The poems talk about people's problems
because of the importance of their daily
lives. They (the poems) are based ona hope,
a fantasy that people will start finding
themselves important."
He points to the substantial body of his
poetry which does not project working class
subjects. Poems like the Living in the Moon
sequence from his second book for instance;
a sequence grounded in the intimate immediacy of man to woman. Or pieces such
as Waiting for the Bear, a long poem which
explores the mind touching the irrational
world with its potential for horror. Or, The
Banffiad: the Silence That is Like a Song,
another long poem from the second book
which articulates a sense of a people exploiting the beauty of the land around them.
In fact, the first collection, Waiting for
Wayman, has very few poems which deal
The poetry is strongly positive in its hope
for the future. Wayman states, "There is
always a potential for change. Human
beings have set it up and human beings can
change it." The poem The Country of
Everyday: For the Union Dead, an unfinished work, ends:
And the Wobblies beginning again
carrying once more the vision
of these so many dead: a world
without bosses
a world without wages,  a  world
without want.
The sentiment is a powerful one and
promising in its imaginative conceptualization. It is the job of the poet to focus the truth
for us and then to fortify us to be able to
meet the challenges this truth confronts us
with. It is the characteristic of a strong mind
to do this.
In a short poem, Influences, from the first
collection, Wayman hinted at the influence
of the noted Chilean poet, Pablo Neruda, on
his own work. Wayman's poetry shows this
influence most clearly in the experimentation with forms, in the handling of
everyday activities as subjects, and in the
use of irregular lining.
"As a man, Neruda believed in a
tremendous vocation for poetry but a
vocation not any different from the bricklayer or the baker. He believed it was a job
that is useful."
The utility of poetry lay in its capacity to
articulate and to fortify.
"And he (Neruda) believed in production.
To work at it consistently and write a lot of
poems. ... He was involved with politics. A
politics which is not personally appealing
but political poems are important. ... I like
and admire his poems. They show how to
deal with subjects like everyday life. To
make it interesting."
I've finished writing up my interview with
Tom Wayman, but I've forgotten to include
one small thing he told me:
"Unless you're concerned about your own
people," he said, "You can't ask them to be
concerned about someone else's problems."
Where does that leave us? Here, with the
surface simplicity of Tom Wayman.
Wayman . . . political activist.
their capacity to make the working man feel
guilty. He feels that much of the early
cohesion in the movement was based on
guilt feelings and, when the people involved
refused to feel guilty any more, it collapsed.
"People always have to feel that their
problems are the most important..
Movements based on guilt aren't going to
change anything. . . . Social change gets
organized around people's problems,"
Wayman explains. Thus, the poetry can be
seen as an attempt to define a consciousness
for the working man which will provide a
ground for social change. The poetry marks
the importance of the working man's
problems in its concern. "Anything that
teaches people they aren't adequate is bad,"
Wayman says.
And th-th-that's not all folks.
This Week: Tom Wayman
Page Friday. 4
Friday, January 10, 1975 reviewsreviewsreviewsreviewsreviewsreviewsreviewsreviewsreview
Native eroticism recorded
Tales from the Smokehouse is a vibrant
collection of erotic native Indian tales.
The author hear the stories in native
smokehouses or saunas where the men
gather to retell tribal legends and sweat out
their frustrations in painful, personal stories
and humorous tales. Like all peoples on
earth, the natives' sexual activities expose
Tales from the Smokehouse
by Herbert T. Schwarz
illustrated by Daphne Odjig.
Hurting Publishers, Hardcover, $8.95.
their greatest pleasures and greatest
The warm illustrations, by Indian artist
Odjig, are a combination of Indian styles
and primitive cubism.
Publisher Hurtig's design of the book and
Odjig's plates turn the book into a piece of
The first half of the book is made up of
legends told to remind natives of their moral
codes. In The Bear Walker, a woman turns
into the spirit of the bear she had intercourse with. Nanabajou and His
Daughter warns of incest, but with
humorous overtones.
But no puritism is expressed in the Indian
morality. The first story, Blue Sky Takes a
Wife, is an example of the Indian sexual
freedom. Strictly fantasy, but fun.
The young Indian man, Blue Sky, is
frustrated by his rejection by the beautiful
Powomis. "As our custom demanded, I
placed a blue bead on the exposed breast of
Powomis as an indication of my desire to
marry her. There was no mistaking my
intentions — my penis was well up in the air
and throbbing with desire."
Slapped down, Blue Sky seeks aid from a
medicine man. The medicine man detaches
Blue Sky's penis from his body and with
magic turns it into a "mighty penis" that
flies over the bush and lands itself "deep in
(Powomis') private parts," sending her into
ecstacy. This continues for three more
nights. Blue Sky's penis is re-attached and
he makes himself available to the yearning
Stories in the second half of the book,
some of them about people the author says
are still alive, deal with the coming of the
white man.
The natives, a very accepting people,
accept the white man's culture, but don't
understand why he does what he does. As a
result, he is confused by fire water,
Christianity and big cities, ending up as
unsure "where to stick it" as his hung-up
white friends.
In The Magic Gun, a native enters a
trading post and is amazed at the crowd of
whites wearing gaudy clothes, but looking
emaciated with hunger, though food is in the
forest and stream nearby. He is caught up in
the alcoholic orgy of the Indians at the
trading post and has intercourse with one of
the women. He comes home to his wife safe,
but sorry. He also has venereal disease.
"He moved closer. Deep inside her, he
planted the seeds of Scarface's wife's
The white man also brings Christianity. In
About joining a trend
that peaked 15 years ago
Anyone interested in where the Canadian
novel is going should read this book. In spite
of the garish packaging, which makes it look
like one more pulp thriller, it's actually a
fast-paced experimental slice of neo-gothic.
John Mills,
The Land of Is,
Paperback $1.75
The novel is overloaded with literary
echoes and allusions, all the way from the
opening parody of Malcolm Lowry's Under
the Volcano to the pastiche of Saul Bellow's
Herzog. The only problem is that the glittering surface sparkles around an absent
centre. The plot is too breathlessly complicated to provide sufficient entertainment
to those picking up the novel in search of
light escapist entertainment, and culture
freaks are likely to find the experimental
elements new for Canadian writing (unless
you count Lowry's Hear Us O Lord volume
of stories) but relatively second-hand and
plagiaristic of trends already exhausted by
contemporary British and American
When Vladimir Nabokov published Pale
Fire it was a landmark in the history of the
post-war novel, and Mills is merely jumping
on a bandwagon which is already 10 or 15
years out of date. Put next to the work of
leading international novelists like John
Fowles or Thomas Pynchon, it's just third-
rate plagiarism unenhanced by its self-
conscious signallings of its own borrowings.
Incidentally the entire novel is set in and
around Vancouver, so you can enjoy
following the trail of the numerous
characters around the downtown area if
you've already exhausted James Joyce's
Dublin and Dickens's London (and the kind
of reader this book is aimed at undoubtedly
The title, in case you were wondering, is
not a reference to the International Socialist
movement but in fact alludes to the relationship between the I of the ego, the world of
others, and the endless catalogue of per-
sonae which surface throughout the action.
The Evil Spell, a young girl is not allowed to
enjoy sex for its own sake because of
Christian ritual.
The preacher warns the girl's parents to
curb (lie girl, and marry her off. "But
although the girl did not object to marriage,
her choice was limited — in fact it was very
difficult. . . Why pick berries from one bush
when there are so many?"
In a humorous story, the preacher is
looked down upon. His native house girl, an
ardent convert, is determined to suffer like
Jesus to become "closer to him." Seeing
what the preacher calls a "thorn in my
side," the girl urges him to torture her with
it. She feels pain at first, but, "In a moment
of great ecstacy she felt very close to the
great spirit."
She leaves the preacher and goes out to
help everyone "attain a state of grace."
The natives are, as the last story is titled,
The Dispossessed. But Schwarz and Odjig
have preserved, and presented to us, their
great possessions.
Poet of loneliness
spawns losers' treat
"We're the sadists who like to sit alone,"
Cohen once wrote in a poem, and his music
seems entirely aimed at solitary listeners,
"my own shattered people."
On this, his fifth LP, Cohen is once again
hoarse and miserable. But the style has
Leonard Cohen,
New Skin for the Old Ceremony
Columbia '
changed   considerably   after   his   last
disappointing Live Songs album;
Two of the finest tracks on the album are
in his old style of slow finely-imaged
melancholia: Chelsea Hotel #2 is addressed
to an unnamed famous lady (the singer
Nico, judging by gossip in old Rolling Stone
magazines) who escaped Cohen and the
New York in-scene. (And number two
presumably because Valentina of the poem
Valentina Gave Me Four Months in his
latest collection The Energy of Slaves was
number one.)
Take This Longing, equally slow and
haunting, is a radical re-writing of an old
Cohen song, Bells, previously only recorded
by Buffy St. Marie on her album She Used to
Wanna Be a Ballerina. Bells sounded as if it
was addressed to the same woman who
appears in Chelsea Hotel #2, both set
in New York and containing drug references
(calling to mind the double-entendre of the
"cold lonesome heroine" Cohen years for in
Joan of Arc on his third album).
But whereas Bells goes "Your body like a
searchlight in the prison of my needle" the
new version continues "Your body like a
searchlight, my poverty revealed." Jhe
melody has also been completely re-written,
but either way it's a powerfully-moving
In dramatic contrast are two unusually
fast numbers: Lover Lover Lover, a
beautifully effective wail of longing where
the connecting stanzas hardly seem to
matter and all the impact comes from the
ritual chorus "Yes 'n lover lover lover lover
lover lover lover come back to me." There
Is A War is a marginally less effective fast
song which brings into the open Cohen's
curiously courtly view of human relation
ships as a kind of ritual war or ceremony
conceived in military terms (not insignificantly Cohen's backing group is
called The Army). Field Commander Cohen
returns us to this view of life as an emotional
war, with Cohen on the side of the losers and
victims, — a salvation army in fact.
Cohen's writings and his songs exist in a
continuum with the romantic myth he has so
successfully fabricated around his life. Is
This What You Wanted? is unusual in that it
connects with the less well-known, darker,
ironic side of Cohen which is manifested in
Beautiful Losers. This novel inverts and
parodies the romance elements of his
previous book The Favourite Game, and
likewise this song establishes an ironic
polarity to his usual lyrics of pain and
If the lyrical style edges off into a darker,
lonelier view of the liuman condition than
even his classic downer album Songs From
a Room achieved, so equally the
arrangement of the music has changed, with
the intrusion of a banjo in Why Don't You
Try, and a lush incongrous orchestral
backing on A Singer Must Die. Most effective of all, perhaps, is the honky-tonk
piano in I Tried to Leave You, which evokes
the impression of one of those Bogart
movies where the love drama is played out
in a restaurant while the pianist tinkles in
the background.
Perhaps the most surprising, and certainly the most effective song on the album,
is Cohen's version of Greensleeves. Cohen
has always worked within the central folk
ballad tradition which deals in songs of love
and nostalgia (Teachers on his first album
was a complete steal from Keats' La Belle
Dame Sans Merci), and on the penultimate
song Who By This Fire, the not unexpected
references to pain, suicide and barbituates
are juxtaposed with a reference to "the
merry merry month of May." Leaving
Greensleeves echoes the cries of rage which
close the songs One Of Us Cannot Be Wrong
and Diamonds In The Mine from previous
Cohen albums, and the crashing crescendo
of harpsichord, orchestra and Cohen's
screaming makes it an explosive climax to a
classic album.
Friday, January 10, 1975
Page Friday, 5 moviesmoviesmoviesmoviesntoviesmov
Horror satire scores
As you might guess from its title,
Phantom of the Paradise is a
modern version of that classic
horror movie, The Phantom of the
But this version brings the story
up to date. The phantom is the
composer of a rock cantata based
Phantom of the Paradise
Starring   Paul   Williams  and
William Finley
Showing at the Coronet
on the story of Faust, and though
the vast 19th century style theatre
resembles the scenery of the
original movie, here it becomes the
setting for "the ultimate rock
It's the first attempt of its kind to
mix the radically different genres
of horror movie and rock opera,
but it works successfully, mainly
because it has no illusions about its
own pretensions. Instead of the
soggy mixture of limp talent,
drooling choruses and attendant
symphony orchestras which the
term "rock opera" conjures up,
Phantom of the Paradise transforms the heavy cultural
reverberations of the Faust myth
into a fast-paced parody of the
world of modern rock.
The film is less horrifying than
hilarious, though the underlying
vision of pop is one of a world
peopled by the damned. The
phantom's opera becomes
ironically the story of his own
downfall. Originally a talented
songwriter hungry for- fame, the
phantom is exploited by Swan, a
smooth rock guru, who steals his
music and decides to exploit it as
"the music of the future" for the
opening of the Paradise rock
Seeking recognition for his work
the songwriter is beaten up by
Swan's thugs, has dope planted on
him by the police, and ends up in
Sing Sing prison, where his teeth
are removed in an "experiment"
under the auspices of the Swan
Foundation and replaced by silver
dentures. The songwriter's
transformation into the embittered
revenge-seeking Phantom is
completed when he becomes
hideously disfigured during a
break-in at the rock guru's com-
' pany, Death Records.
From here the film plays out the
Faust theme as it develops from
the relationship between Swan, a
strangely-young ersatz Dorian
Gray, the Phantom and the girl
singer the Phantom has Joved
before his disfigurement. The fame
of stardom in the world of glitter
rock is the lure that destroys the
character of each in turn.
Jan. 13th
.Germany, 1919
U.S.A.. 1931
Yes, incest. That's what is
happening on Page Friday, our
issues are being produced by a
small group of people whose story
ideas and interests are being interbred within this gallant but
incomplete clan.
The situation is not healthy. New
blood is needed. As a matter of fact
so are new ideas for coverage and
people with fresh outlooks to do the
You, yes you, could be the
solution to this problem. PF ideally
covers a wide variety of the arts,
provides reviews of various sorts
and commentary on just about
Obviously we do some of these
things better than others. Areas we
seem to be deficient in this year
include music coverage, especially
classical music; art criticism of all
kinds; drama criticism.
If you're interested in such
things then you're especially
welcome to join our brood.
However if you're a regular reader
you've likely noticed the same few
bylines always cropping up, so of
course anyone is welcome.
PF operates as a collective, with
major decisions being made by the
collective at the weekly Tuesday
noon meeting in The Ubyssey office, SUB 241K.
If you're interested, come along
on Tuesday.
Jan. 27th
U.S.A., 1925
U.S.A., 1931
Feb. 10th
U.S.A., 1932
U.S.A.. 1932
Feb. 24th
England, 1945
U.S.A.. 1955
Mar. 10th
U.S.A., 1936
U.S.A., 1945
Mar. 24th
Germany, 1922
(First version of Dracula)
England, 1971
The kind of audience this movie
is aimed at is perhaps signified by
the brief shot of a copy of Rolling
Stone magazine with the rock
guru's stars making the lead
headlines. The film builds to a
climax with Swan's scheme for the
assassination of his lead singer on
stage to be viewed live on coast-to-
coast TV, and in the macabre
closing scene there are uncomfortable echoes of the violence
of the Altamont rock festival.
Essentially it's a spoof (Swan's
groups seem like a horrendous
parody on a variety of superstars
from Elton John to Alice Cooper).
Rock music, and the love theme
which props up virtually all pop
lyrics, are garishly satirized, but
underneath the comedy this film
provides a colder look at the
cynicism, greed and the
dehumanization of personality
which permeates this artificial
world. The rock, the horror and the
humor complement each other
perfectly, so whether you enjoy or
hate rock you should find it equally
£ A Mind-Blowing Experience Ig
(Max Wyman, Vancouver Sun)
Queen Elizabeth Theatre
8:30 p.m. - $6.50 - 5.50 - 4.50 - 3.50
Programme:   Divertissement
includes two Canadian premiere performances
The Spring of 75
featuring Cinema J6's line up of top ranking
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Friday, January 10, 1975 Yanks nuts; Canucks neurotic
From page 5
that I haven't as yet become God, and so I'm
not absolutely sure that I'm right. So if
Brian McConnachie wants to do a dead baby
joke, well... He thinks a lot of the stuff I
write is ... He doesn't like snake farts.
G: Does your motivation as writers arise out
of a sense of moral outrage?
K:   Sometimes.  Sometimes  you  write
because   there   are   five   pages   to   fill.
Sometimes you write because you, assigned
an article; the guy came in, and it's awful,
and then there you. are with five pages
staring you in the eye. I mean you write,
because if you don't, nobody else will.
G: Do you find deadlines funny?
K: The writers at the National Lampoon
find deadlines hilarious, apart from the art
director, who finds deadlines a very serious
thing, we always miss deadlines. Always,
always, always. Never made a deadline yet.
G: Has the Lampoon ever been censored?
What about that Kennedy thing? Does that
happen often?
K: No.
G: OK, who put the pressure on you for that?
K: Well, what happened was, we made a
mistake. In the United States, it is impossible to win a libel suit. It's impossible
because the first amendment guarantees
freedom of the press, and because if you
accuse them of anything, they are noj going
to deny it, because they will just make it
worse by denying it. Between the first
amendment and that kind of PR consciousness, libel does not happen in the
United States.
What does happen is copyright. Copyright
laws are extremely stringent. Now you can
say the word Volkswagen, buy you better
not print it in the same type face as they
print it. Because they copyrighted that type
The other thing was that a lot of readers
thought it was for real, and Volkswagen
wasn't too pleased about being identified
with that kind of ad.
The Encyclopedia of Humour was
Michael's last project for the magazine, and
his heart wasn't in it, and it was late, and so
captains of American industry,
according to a report from the
Metropolitan Life Insurance
Company, are not only richer than
the rest of us, but they live a whole
lot longer, too.
The Metropolitan study of over
1,000 business executives in the
nation's 500 largest corporations
shows their average death rate to
be an impressive 37 per cent lower
than the nation's general
population of white men. For
company presidents the average
death rate was 42 per cent lower
than the average working staff.
The report speculates that the
reasons for such long life in the
executive suite probably has
something to do with the ability to
"harness tensions for productive
use". Then, there's also the incentive to stick around and enjoy
the wealth."
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a lot of copy ... we have a lawyer read
everything . . . precisely for copyright. . .
and a lot of copy went across his desk at the
same time, and that one got through, and so
Volkswagen saidjhat they were suing us.
G: So it was an automotive company, not a
political reaction.
K: There's never anything like that.
G: No political reactions at all?
K: We don't bother politicos. Because they
figure we're preaching to the converted
anyhow. Disaffected youth is not about to
vote for Gerry Ford anyway, so how are we
hurting them?
G: What about things like Mrs. Agnew's
Diary . . . Did you get any response from
K: No. I mean we got a lot of response from
guys going, its really outrageous, man,
when you make her talk like that because,
its so funny. But you don't get Mrs. Agnew
writing in saying, "watch it."
G: Why don't you get any feedback on stuff
like that?
K: We get censored, but. . . you see, the
United   States   is   a   free   enterprise
system . . . and so they have free enterprise
censorship. Canada's kind of semi-socialist
so you get a kind of government censorship
In America there is free enterprise censorship. The distributor will censor you if he
doesn't like it, the mafia guy who drives the
truck, the newsstand dealer, the little old
lady in tennis shoes who buys things from
the newsstand dealer will all censor it.
Everybody can censor in the United States,
because nobody can censor.
We'll blow a state every now and again.
We'll get a call from the distributor saying
'Eh-ah, I wanta tell you a terrible thing, the
wheels fall off a da truck. You don't have noa
magazine dis year in Chaicago. Nudding."
And, its too bad, you know, but what are we
going to do? That just happens. He doesn't
like the cover or he caught his daughter
reading it. That kind of thing happens to us.
I wish, God I wish that Nixon would take
me into court, but, it doesn't matter, he
doesn't care.
G: You would like him to care?
K: Oh yeah. The biggest problem that
writers for the magazine have is that the
National Lampoon is ha-ha funny. Anything
we do is immediately humorous. So I, or any
of us, can suddenly go: "I really mean this.
I'm really serious. Do you know what's
going on in Cambodia? I mean for Christ's
sake" ... and its HAHAHAHA . . . that's
outrageous, man.
We can't do hoaxes. Nobody believes the
true facts, and they are all true. Everybody
thinks, those guys there, they get those
ideas. We get them from the newspapers,
actually. It's a problem.
G: A political question. Where do you see
America going?
K: Down the toilet. Right down the toilet.
G: Do you see an America?
K: It's weird living in the United States, you
know, because Americans are nuts.
Everybody's nuts, but if you're not an
American, you know Americans are nuts.
You see, Americans don't know they're
nuts, because they're Americans. I mean
they don't know now nutty they are. I don't
suppose the French know how crazy they
are either, the Italians, or the . . .
G: Canadians?
K: The Canadians are not crazy. Canadians
are neurotic. Psychosis cannot happen in
this country. Neurosis has taken over this
country. People are one or the other. You
don't have to shoot the propaganda in. The
Americans think that America is the world.
They honest to God do.
So that whether you are on the radical left
or the radical right, you still have to carry
the American flag around on your shirt. You
still think that the sun rises in Maine and
sets in California. Americans cannot help
thinking that. They got taught it in school,
and they got lied to, really, is what happened. And so even the ones who have seen
through the right-wing lie, and are left-wing,
haven't seen through the American lie.
They can't get through there. There is no
way that they can. The odd American black
has caught on the fact is that there is a third
world, but no American whitey is ever going
to grasp that. It's impossible for them to
know it because they are taught that it isn't
true. It's as difficult for them to imagine it
as it is for us to imagine that the world is
G: Are you seriously trying to attack that
through your humor magazine? Trying to
break it down?
K: Well, I think that if you write well, you
can't help telling the truth. Politically I'm
much more convinced that the truth is right.
You don't have to shoot the propaganda in.
The facts speak for themselves. Look, if you
believe what you are saying, you don't have
to crap around. If you are showing a
policeman beating a kid, you don't have to
cut away to shots of the hammer and sickle.
No. we don't have a consistent political
G: How do you rate National Lampoon?
K: I think we are a little classier tha-
Penthouse, somehow, which is our big rival.
We hired a man called Michael Gross to
art direct. And Gross is a genius. He won
every art director's award there was to win.
We have more cover awards than Esquire,
New Yorker, Harpers. I mean we clobber
And if the truth be known, that's why the
magazine works: the cover, and the fact
that it's such a lovely package. Even
disgusting art is done so slickly and perfectly.
' It's the first McLuhan magazine that I've
ever seen. The magazine looks as though the
people who made it know what McLuhan
was talking about. It's real shot-gun,
graphics, not a lot of print. Gross did that
G: What do you think the popularity of
things like the National Lampoon and the
skin magazines indicates, if anything?
K: If the National Lampoon is pornographic
to you, you should immediately apply for
admission to your nearest psycho ward
because the National Lampoon is an Irish-
Catholic plot to turn people off sex. . ..I
mean I wouldn't tell this to everybody, but
O'Donoghue, O'Rourke, McConnachie,
Kelly, Kenney, begin to add up. And in the
show that's coming here, O'Flaherty, Doyle,
Murray. What we're trying to do is bring
back celibacy.
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U.S. singers
visit UBC
The UBC music department is
sponsoring a visit of the California
State University at Northridge
chamber singers and instrumental
ensemble Monday.
The singers are a group of 23
soloists who were chosen by
audition from more than 700
music majors.
The program includes music of
Brahms, Monteverdi, Krenek and
Mozart. The concert is at 8 p.m.
in the music building recital hall.
Mead speaks
Margaret Mead comes to UBC
The famous anthropologist will
speak to the Vancouver Institute
at 8:15 p.m. after opening the new
campus headquarters of the World
Federation of Mental Health.
Her address on the social
significance of theories of human
agression will be in IRC 2.
Raison d'etre
If you've ever wondered
whether the junk you have
collected over the years qualifies
as art, it might not be a bad idea
to check out the latest showing in
the fine arts gallery.
Students in the gallery
administration course have
arranged for artifacts collected by
members of the UBC fine arts
department to be on display
through Jan. 25.
The show hopes to convey why
people collect the things they do
and how the objects reflect the
The gallery, located in the
basement of the main library, is
open from 10:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Tuesday through Friday.
Food services take note.
The B.C. Dietetic Association
is holding its first annual lecture
Dr. Grace Goldsmith will talk
on a national nutrition policy and
program. Goldsmith will deliver
her lecture at 8 p.m. in IRC2.
CITR back
After months of holding their
breaths, the staffers at CITR-UBC
Radio are ready to send their
signals to Place Vanier.
The station, which operates on
carrier current broadcast from a
cute little transmitter located in
the basement of Place Vanier, has
been silent in that neck of the
wood since various components of
the transmitter melted because of
brilliant placement by physical
plant next to a steam pipe.
Now that the new components
have arrived, CITR enters round
four — hoping the transmitter
won't melt for the fourth time.
It's at 650 on the AM dial.
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General meeting, noon, SUB 215.
Practice, new members welcome,
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Games night, table hockey, pit,
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Practice, 7 p.m., SUB 207.
Meeting, noon, SUB 215.
General   meeting,  noon,  SUB 213.
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Policy Analysis and Program Evaluation
The Budget Bureau (Treasury Board Secretariat) of the Province
of Saskatchewan is interested in interviewing graduates in all
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The Positions:
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The work focuses on the evaluation of new and existing programs
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These positions will be of interest to those who are interested in
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Volleyball teams compete here
The 10th annual Thunderette
Invitational volleyball tournament
gets under way on two locations
The tournament will be split into
two separate divisions. The "A"
commencing play at 9 a.m. in War
Memorial gym and the "B"
division starting at the same time
at the P.E. complex. There are 14
teams in the "A" division, and 12
are entered in the "B".
UBC will have three teams en
tered in the event. The Thunderettes and the Junior Varsity
team are both slated for the "A"
division. The Totems will compete
on the "B" side.
The Thunderettes are expected
to finish strong in the tournament
as their young team continues to
gather momentum.
Although they started slowly
each game has shown marked
progress. In their last outing they
were just edged by the B.C.
provincial team 15-13, 15-12.
KYLE RAYMOND, UBC heavyweight wrestler and defending
Greco-Roman Canadian champion, will be in action against Central
Washington State at 2 p.m. today. 'Birds are taking on defending U.S.
N.A.I.A. champions in second dual meet of season.
Joann Fenton's spiking and the
accuracy of Vicki Sohota have
been high marks this season. The
two veterans have helped settle
their younger and less experienced
Marilyn Pomfret, women's
athletics head said that it was too
early to judge just how far this
year's team can go. It does appear
to be an uphill battle all the way if
they are going to repeat as national
champions for the third straight
The Thunderettes are going to
face some tough competition in
their own tournament. Teams will
be coming from Washington,
Oregon and Alberta as well as B.C.
Vanco ver Chimos, the best
women's club in the country and
defending tournament titlists, will
have   to   be    considered    the
favorites. Although they have lost
some valuable members to the
national team it doesn't appear as
if they are seriously weakened.
A Portland team sponsored by
Dave Lee Sports will also have to
be ranked as one of the favorites.
Teams from the University of
Calgary, the University of Victoria, Renton, and Eugene, Oregon
will also be strong.
In the "B" division the Totems
will likely find their most serious
competition coming from the B.C.
Olympics of Burnaby and a club
team from Portland.
The tournament is a round-robin
affair going all day. Semi-finals
will take place at 6:15 p.m. with the
final at 7:15 in the "A" division. In
the "B" division the semis go at
4:00 p.m. and the final at 5:00.
In two weeks' time the Thun
derettes will journey to the
University of Lethbridge to take
part in the second round of Canada
West action. Currently they are in
third place following the
University of Victoria and the
University of Saskatchewan.
In other sports action-both the
gymnastic and the basketball
teams face tough opponents.
The University of Washington
Huskies come here to face the
Thunderbirds Saturday in gym
The Thunderbird basketball
team is off to Calgary for two
important games against the
University of Calgary Dinos. The
'Birds feel they have turned the
corner now and two wins against
the Dinos will dearly enhance their
playoff chances in the tight Canada
West race.
UBC swimmers seek glory
The UBC swimmers will start
their annual trek to glory this
weekend in a dual meet against
Highline Community College in
Midway, Washington.
This duel with the Washington
school will be the first in a series of
10 with other universities and
colleges from the Pacific Northwest and Alberta area.
Coach Jack Pomfret is confident
of winning the opener against
Highline. He says the main purpose of the meet is to give him a
chance to see the swimmers in
action and help him set the goals
for the season.
All these meets will lead toward
the Canada West University
Athletic Association championships on .Feb. 20, 21, 22. There
the UBC swimmers will be trying
for a berth in the National
championships on Feb. 27, 28 and
Mar. 1 at Lakehead University.
Only 100 swimmers representing
all parts of Canada will ever get to
Lakehead, so it will not be easy for
the UBC swimmers.
Coach Pomfret hopes to qualify
about 28 swimmers to the Canada
West meet and from there send
about 14 swimmers to the
nationals. Last year five men and
seven women swam at the
nationals and finished third in the
men's section and second in the
women's category.
Of the seven girls that went to the
national championships, only two
are left. Pat Gilmore, who won the
100- and 200-metres backstroke and
established national records for
the events, is back together with
teammate Jeannie Jensen.
Backing the  veterans  will be
Sarah MacFayden who swims
freestyle; Bonnie Smith, a
breaststroker; and Sheila
Tsushiya, a butterfly swimmer
from Toronto. These are described
by Coach Pomfret as outstanding
swimmers with tremendous
Of the five men who went to the
nationals last year, only George
Smith is not swimming with the
team this year. Smith, however, is
still around as the assistant coach
of the team.
Smith's teammates Rick
Gustavson, Robert Kell, Stan
Norbury and Paul Sabiston are all
still with the team. Gustavson will
take care of the freestyle chores,
Kell, the butterfly, Norbury,
breaststroke, while Sabiston will
give his one-man show in the 200-
and 400-metres individual medley..
Helping the veterans out will be
Paul Hughes, an ex-Dolphin
backstroker who also does the
individual medley. Hughes is a
member of the Canadian national
team and will be a tremendous
asset to the team.
Also joining the team are Robin
Cottle and Dave Hobbs. Both swim
the butterfly. Pomfret thinks
highly of both of them and thinks
they will definitely help the team.
Also new to the team are two
divers, Tammy McCloud and Dean
Christie. The two are faced with
the same perennial problem of not
having a decent place to work out.
At the moment, the team swims
four mornings and one night a
week in addition to the four hours
of weekend workout, at the St.
George's pool. In addition to this
the team also does three days a
week of land-drills.
Pomfret says it is still too early
to predict this year's results, but
"the team is stronger than last
year's in over-all depth."
The team's first Vancouver
appearance this season will be on
Jan. 25, when the UBC women
meet the team from the University
of Washington.
The men will see action Feb. 1,
when the whole team confronts
their Canada West rivals
University of Alberta.
Both meets will take place at the
Percy Norman pool.
No mere excuses for 'Birds
The hockey 'Birds have run out of excuses as they
head into the second half of their Canada West
Hockey League schedule.
They've struggled to an even 5-5-1 record so far this
season with standouts like Jim Lawrence, Keith
Tindle, Grant Cumberbirch and Tad Fujii sidelined
with an assortment of injuries.
The costliest injury has been Brian DeBiasio's
shoulder separation which saw him held to half-speed
until he was finally sidelined in November.
But the 'Birds are now disgustingly healthy as they
head into the home stretch four points out of the
second and final playoff spot.
Everyone but Cumberbirch has been able to
recover over the month's layoff.
The 'Birds' last action was November 29 and 30
when they dumped the University of Saskatchewan 6-
3 and 8-6 in Saskatoon.
The only obstacle that remains for the 'Birds is the
University of Calgary Dinosaurs.
They now occupy second spot and UBC plays them
six times in their 13 remaining games.
Coach Bob Hindmarch said, "The situation is
simple. If we beat Calgary we'll finish second. If we
don't, we'll finish out of the playoffs. We've played
them twice so far this season while we were troubled
with injuries, we lost one and tied one. But we're
healthy now and play four of the six games with them
on our ice."
"They were a bit better than us up front but we had
the edge defensively. I think we should take them now
that we're healthy."
The 'Birds start the New Year in a head to head
clash with Calgary at the Thunderbird winter sports
centre tonight and tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. A
sweep of the series for the 'Birds would vault them
into a second-place tie with the Dinos. They have a
game in hand with the Calgary club.
But a Dinosaur sweep could start talk of next year
in the UBC dressing room.
Both games will be carried live by CITR UBC
Radio 650 to Totem Park and Walter Gage residences.
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