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The Ubyssey Nov 30, 1978

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 Students stuck for bucks
A computer foul-up in the Ontario Student Assistance Program
has left Ontario students at UBC
living on emergency bank loans and
has caused at least one student to
drop out of UBC.
"It's really frustrating when
you're 3,000 miles away from the
(OSAP) office and you get someone
on the phone who says 'Yes, your
application is in process,' " said
Claire Galli, an Ontario student in
third year arts at UBC.
"If they (OSAP) are not sup
plying aid to students, they're not
doing their job," she said.
UBC student awards officer
Byron Hender said he knew of one
student who dropped out of UBC
because his OSAP grant did not
"The Ontario Student Assistance
Program did change this year and
the change has meant pretty
monumental delays for students,"
he said. Hender said there are about
200 Ontario students currently
attending UBC.
The  association   of   Ontario
student awards officers sent a letter
to Ontario colleges and universities
minister Bette Stephenson Nov. 14
criticizing the delays in processing
student grants.
The letter says:
• information concerning the
1978-79 OSAP program was not
made available to awards officers
until April 1978, making financial
counselling to students almost
• a failure to set" policies
regarding rules, regulations and
processing of applications resulted
in a four-month backlog in special
applications; and,
• a computer program for
editing applications is still not
functioning properly even though it
was supposed to be operational last
May. .
Galli said she called the OSAP
office in Toronto and was told that
her application had been unsuccessfully fed into the computer
three times.
"The reason they gave (for the
delays) was computer error,  but
after a lot of harassing they did it
by hand," she said.
"I spent a lot of money
Galli said she applied  for an
OSAP grant at the beginning of.
August and the grant was officially
supposed "to take five weeks to be
"Last year it (the grant) was
waiting for me when I got here in
September," she added.
See page 8: STUDENTS
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Vol. LXI, No. 32     VANCOUVER, B.C., THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 30, 1978
Tighten it up'
report states
"HONESTLY OFFICER I thought safety was on when I pulled the
trigger." RCMP were not amused at noon Wednesday when they saw actors in play "The Great American Desert" prowling about SUB art gallery
with pistols and shotguns while at same time federal consumer and cor-
—peter menyasz photo
porate affairs minister Warren Allmand was speaking in SUB 207 (see story
page 3). Nervous cops apparently thought that in Vancouver, anarchist
pie-kill capital of world, political assassination was possibility and checked
actors' guns.
Admission and graduating
standards in UBC's education
faculty should be tightened to
produce better qualified teachers,
according to a recently released
provincial government committee
But Murray Elliott, UBC's
education faculty undergraduate
studies director, said Wednesday
research evidence indicates increasing academic standards does
not improve teaching success or
Jim Carter, assistant deputy
education minister and a member
of the committee, which was
headed by retired UBC classics
professor Malcolm McGregor, said
the declining provincial demand for
teachers makes it an ideal time to
reduce the supply of teachers by
tightening admission and
graduating standards.
"A 70 per cent average in a
qualifying year would improve the
quality of teachers, much as higher
marks are taken into consideration
in the law and medicine faculties in
judging the quality of applicants."
Carter said that although a high
mark average is one method of
improving the quality of teachers,
an emphasis should be placed on
teaching ability and skills.
"Graduating requirements
should also be tightened by reducing the number of courses an
education student is allowed to
choose and including more compulsory courses," Carter said.
Admission standards should also
include a literacy test and a committee interview, he added.
See page 2: TEACHER
UBC's Kenny to take slow boat to China
In a surprise move, UBC administration president Doug Kenny has
accepted an appointment as chairman of the governing committee of
Peking University in the Peoples'
Republic of China, The Ubyssey
has learned.
Kenny's recent decision to have
his contract as UBC president extended by only three years instead
of an expected five-year term had
sparked rumors that he was planning a move into a senior civil
service position in Ottawa.
"I expected him (Kenny) to move
into a mandarin position but I
hardly expected such a literal outcome of my prophecy," a highly-
placed administration source said
"We were shocked. The announcement came out of the blue,"
said a senior faculty member, who
asked not to be identified. "But it
makes sense, in view of recent developments," he said.
After he agreed to a three-year
extension as UBC president three
weeks ago, Kenny would give no
reasons for cutting his second term
short by two years.
And, shortly before UBC's board
of governors reappointed Kenny,
China's vice-minister of education,
Yung Wen-tiao, and deputy director of state planning commission
Chang Yen visited UBC Oct.  16.
The administration source said
the offer was finalized that evening
at a formal banquet in honor of the
But the Canadian department of
external affairs was not surprised
by Kenny's move. "We have been
planning, in concert with our
Chinese counterparts, a high-level
exchange of civil servants in the
fields of education, culture and the
arts," a department spokesman
said. "Dr. Kenny will be the first
Canadian official to actually assume a position in China."
Kenny refused to discuss the
move to Peking.
See page 3: KENNY
KENNY, YEN. WEN-TIAO . . . move over Norman Bethune Page 2
Thursday, November 30, 1978
'Teacher standards must rise'
From Page 1
Elliott said that although interviews are a more humane approach to making admission
decisions, applicants are not
necessarily hired because of merit.
"Some English universities built
in the 1960s used interviews to
judge applicants, but discontinued
the approach because the interviewers tended to choose according to personal characteristics."
It would also be difficult in B.C.
to ensure that all applicants have
equal access to interviews, he said.
The teacher training report, the
result of a nine-month study by a
provincial government-appointed
committee, recommends:
• that admission requirements
include a literacy test, a letter of
application, an interview and  at
least one qualifying year with a 70
per cent grade average;
• that the current three-year
elementary school program be
extended to five years;
c that graduates only be issued
provisional certificates which will
be converted into permanent
certificates after two years of
"satisfactory  achievement";   and,
• that teachers absent from the
classroom for five years must apply
for a renewal of their certificates.
Carter said certification committees would be struck with the
authority to deny teaching certificates for renewal applicants who
refuse to attend refresher and
upgrading programs.
The report suggests the current
Joint Board of Teacher Education
be replaced by a council for the
education of teachers. The council
would act as a coordinating
authority for education in the
province and as an advisory body to
education faculties at UBC, Simon
Fraser University, the University of
Victoria, and also to the Universities Council of B.C.
Student Admin. Commission
1978 — 1979
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Page 3
'Feds funding Quebec bill battle'
The federal government
has no power to act against
Quebec's language
legislation, but is lending
financial support to private
groups opposing the policy,
federal consumer and
corporate affairs minister
Warren Allmand said
"We have no power to do
anything about it (Bill 101).
The (Parti Quebecois)
government was freely and
democratically elected," he
Allmand told 40 people in
SUB 207 that the government
has set up a National Unity
Fund to assist federalists in
He said government
support   being   given   to
Quebec federalists opposed
to Bill 101 is no different
from support it gives to other
groups trying to secure
language rights.
The PQ designed Bill 101
to make French the working
language of Quebec.
The government is also
giving financial assistance to
one group in Manitoba
whose rights to speak French
are being infringed, he added.
He said there is now more
support for the federalist
cause in Quebec than there is
for the ruling Parti
Quebecois government.
The federal government
could have challenged Bill
101 in the Supreme Court,
but decided not to, Allmand
said, because a provincial law
has not been challenged in 30
years and a move to do so
now would look like the
Liberals were trying to usurp
the PQ's power.
He said the best thing to do
was to let Quebec residents
fight the bill themselves, with
federal aid.
The bill has been
challenged in two Quebec
courts and has been declared
unfair by both of them,
prompting premier Rene
Levesque to take the bill to
the Supreme Court, said
He said part of the
problem is that the British
North America Act does not
deal with language rights.
New federal amendments and
a bill of rights will hopefully
change that, he added.
Allmand also said new
federal economic policies are
"based on the three R's . . .
restraint, reallocation and
He said the restraint part
of the program includes a
$2.5 billion budget cut
recently announced by
finance minister Jean
The program involves not
just budget cuts, but also a $1
billion reallocation of funds
to "the people who need it
most," he added.
The renewal part of the
austerity program allows the
private sector to run some
services now provided by
government agencies, he
ALLMAND . . . friends, Romans, federalists
Quebec students prepare for long battle
—thomas chan photo
NO, THERE'S NOTHING wrong with cute little boy sprawled on pool deck in UBC aquatic centre. Although it looks like he attempted swan dive without checking where water was, young lad is really participating in instructor Gary Kaye's lifesaving class
on Tuesday. However, swimmer on right of picture was not so lucky. He lost lower body and arms during unfortunate mishap in
which he was sucked into pool's garburetor, which is used to rid water of deadly milfoil menace which recently struck city.
Kenny to look at little red book
From page 1
"It would not be in the best interests
of Peking University to comment at this
time," he said.
The virtual disappearance of student
board of governors member Basil Peters
was also explained by the surprise move.
"Basil (Peters) has been paving the
way for Doug (Kenny) in a preparatory
trip to China arranging the details of the
move," said the source. "He arranges
Doug's accommodation, polishing the
president's shoes and pressing his
pants," said the administration source.
The aide also revealed a rare glimpse
of the personal life and ambitions of the
university head. "He has had a life-long
desire to swim the Yangtze River, as the
young Mao (tse-Tung) did during the
revolution," he said.
UBC  chancellor   J.   V.   Clyne   re
sponded bitterly to the news. "All my
life, by the sweat of my brow, I've
worked to help make this country what
it is today, a great, free enterprise
country where anyone can rise to the top
if he wants to work and has money and,
connections," said Clyne. "Now that
quisling (Kenny) has sold out to the
commies. I never thought I would see
the day," said Clyne
Kenny's close friend, Sun columnist
Doug Collins, said he was suspicious of
the move. "He will probably be moonlighting the moment he lands- in his commune, like his old cronies. Never trust a
liberal, they play both sides of the
court," Collins snarled.
The administration source said Kenny
was reluctant at first to take the first
step. "But after wrestling with his conscience and engaging in marathon self-
criticism sessions, he saw the way
clear," he said.
Observers of campus politics are already analyzing the ramifications of
Kenny's decision to leave. One pundit
suggested education minister Pat McGeer would appoint himself UBC
But other observers say McGeer's
move has already been thwarted by UBC
heavies Erich Vogt (vice-president of
student and faculty affairs) and arts
dean Robert Will.
"I won't have it, I won't have it, I
won't have it. ... " said Will.
Kenny is reported to be studying
Mandarin from the Chinese Students
Association, learning to cook Back
Rumh Chop Suey and reading the
sayings of the ancient Chinese
philosopher Confuse-us.
Despite a poor reception
from Quebec education
minister Jacques-Yvan
Morin, striking college
students in Quebec have not
abandoned their fight to
improve the province's
student aid system.
According to Jean
Latraverse, secretary-general
of l'Association Nationale
des Etudiants du Quebec, a
provincial demonstration is
planned for the National
Assembly in Quebec City
next Tuesday.
He said ANEQ has struck
a committee to consider
further pressure tactics,
including activity at the local,
regional and provincial
levels. Local action might
involve occupation of the
offices of members of the
Quebec National Assembly,
while regional action will
include a demonstration in
the Saguenay-Lac-St.-Jean
region of the province this
Thursday, he said.
Latraverse said the meeting
between ANEQ and Morin
Tuesday morning was
Morin said he was not
prepared to give any response
to the demands for revision
to the student financial aid
program and would not specify when he would give such
a response, Latraverse said.
During the meeting, Morin
said it would be impossible to
give in to all the student
demands, regardless of the
fact that 28 CEGEPs Gunior
colleges) are still on strike.
He said he would consider
the demands individually,
but would have to consult the
Quebec cabinet and would be
unable to have a reply ready
for Thursday as requested by
The Tuesday meeting
followed two weeks of class
boycotts and occupations at
CEGEP offices, which
culminated in a demonstration by 1,500 students
followed by an occupation of
the Montreal offices of the
ministry of education last
On Tuesday, more than
half the student population at
the Lennoxville campus of
Champlain College voted to
hold a three-day study
session in support of the
ANEQ demands starting
The college will become the
29th CEGEP and the first
Anglophone institution to
support the protest.
Students are expected to
form a position on the loans
and bursaries system and the
recently-released Quebec
government white paper on
CEGEP education during the
study session.
Students at PUniversitaire
du Montreal, PUniversitaire
du Quebec a Montreal and
the Loyola campus of Concordia University were
deciding Wednesday whether
to support the ANEQ
protest. Further details were
unavailable at press time.
Ill cutbacks
protested by
100 students
About 100 students
demonstrated in near blizzard conditions against the
recent unemployment insurance commission
regulation changes.
The march on the Winnipeg UIC offices was part of
a rally held by the Student
Association of Manitoba and
was in protest of regulation
changes which would cut
250,000 people off UIC.
The bill also changes the
eligibility requirements from
12 weeks of work per year to
40 weeks of work over two
At the rally Jeff Gaye, a
member of the central committee of the National Union
of Students, said the
demonstration should not be
seen as an indication that
students want unemployment
insurance. "We want jobs,
not unemployment insurance," he said.
Dan Stone, University of
Winnipeg Faculty
Association president, said
the new bill "is directed
against those who, the
government feels, have no
political voice."
Stone said that rather than
eliminate cheaters from the
UIC roles, the cuts would
hurt those people who are
jobless, because there is a
lack of work in Canada.
He said the government
should make cuts in business
spending and not against the
poor, women and students. Page 4
Thursday, November 30, 1978
Much too tough
We're going to be in for two tough years.
It's been only two short weeks since Vancouver's municipal election and already the promises are being broken.
City council placed advertisements in local
newspapers before the ward system plebiscite,
promising that a committee would be struck to
study the implementation of a ward system if a
majority of Vancouver voters chose to accept it.
They did so, with a 51.7 per cent favorable
vote during the Nov. 15 plebiscite.
On Tuesday, mayor Jack Volrich and the Civic
Non-Partisan Association partisans voted
against a motion by May Brown to set up a committee. They have in fact directly opposed the
wishes of a majority of Vancouver voters.
Jack (the democrat) Volrich has said that the
margin of victory was not large enough for him
to warrant working towards implementing
wards. He is saying only he himself and his buddies on the NPA are responsible enough to
decide if Vancouver voters should have a ward
Volrich cannot be trusted with running this
city. He has already blatantly said he will not
obey the wishes of the voters, and Tuesday he
proved he would not obey council's motions.
The man is showing he can run Vancouver in the
same iron-handed manner which made Chicago
mayor (read boss) Richard Daley infamous.
And the situation will not improve. Doug Little
and Helen Boyce will join NPAers Bernice
Gerard, George Puil, Warnett Kennedy and independent Don Bellamy on council in January.
They hold a majority. They are opposed to the
ward system. They have and will oppose the dictates of Vancouver's voters.
Volrich forgets he only received 48 per cent of
the vote. More than 51 per cent voted in favor of
wards. He forgets he isn't a god, not yet
Such disrespect for a democratically expressed political choice is nothing short of criminal. It
may in fact be criminal, as the Downtown
Eastside Residents' Association and others corn-
template taking Jack the Hack to court for false
We can only expect two more years of this
obscene kind of ignorance. That is, if Volrich and
friends don't decide beforehand to give
themselves three-year terms. Stranger things
have happened.
NOVEMBER 30, 1978
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the university year by the Alma
Mater Society of the University of B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and not of the
AMS or the university administration. Member, Canadian University Press. The Ubyssey
publishes Page Friday, a weekly commentary and review. The Ubyssey's editorial office is in
room 241K of the Student Union Building. Editorial departments, 228-2301; Advertising,
228-3977. Editor: Mike Bocking
It was sexual fantasy day at The Ubyssey offices and staffers stayed away in droves. An impressionable Peter Stockland drooled over a mental image of a fat
Allen Ginsberg in a white chiffon dress, while Glen Schaefer was satisfied with a glossy picture of Peter Lorre. Thomas Chan and Peter Menyasz left early to
purchase some black nylons downtown, and were driven by an utterly berserk Geof Wheelwright in his leopard-skin upholstered pimpmobile. Julie
Wheelwright and Jeff Rankin dreamed of one another (and that's pretty sick). Kevin Griffin retold his tale of doing a bit part in the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Heather Conn dreamed of a fling in the snow (at Banff) with Jean-Claude Killy, as silly person Tom Hawthorn played pup tent with a pic of Brooke Shields. Bill
Tieleman ignored the perverted editors and wrote about his double-date with Farrah-Fawcett Majors and Cheryl Tiegs, while Mike Bocking asked nechrophitiac
Verne McDonald to draw him a graphic of a nude Gordon Gibson. Michael Hambrook fondled his 500mm lens in the darkroom with Steve Howard, who was
too busy to notice with his inflatable real-life size vibrator. Kevin McGee looked for someone his age who wasn't hooked on geritol, and Chris Bocking went to
City Hall in search of Bernice Gerard. Unfortunately, the lights came back on and ail the good little staffers cleaned up the debris and went back to work.
If God wanted man to be gay. • •
This is a response to an article on
Friday, Nov. 24, 1978's Ubyssey. A
certain Rev. (I wonder) Mac Elrod
expresses his "correct conception"
of the Bible about homosexuality.
He stated that the Jews were "a
nomadic people who couldn't
afford anything that sapped reproduction." I remember otherwise; I
know God wants us to multiply; I
know God wants Abraham's
children to multiply.
Rev. Elrod further gives us two
examples of "same-sex relationship," Jonathan and David, and
Naomi and Ruth. Of course there
are same-sex relationships, but
same-sex does not mean homosexual. Furthermore, I do not think
Rev. Elrod remebers his Bible too
well. I cannot find the Reverend's
quotation, "David says to
Jonathan: 'Your love to me was
wonderful. More than the love of
women.' "
On the other hand, I find in the
same chapter, a verse (17): "And
Jonathan caused David to swear
again, because he loved him: for he
loved him as he loved his own
soul." I do not see anything wrong
in loving one's neighbor as oneself.
Rev. Elrod also implies that
Jonathan and David practised
homosexual acts when "they went
off into the field together." I think
David would be more concerned
about finding a place to hide from
Saul, and about praying for God's
protection than doing anything
distracting. If the Reverend were
right, I would hate to guess what
the Reverend did with the male
parishioners in his study.
Further down the article, I find
the Reverend defining sodomy
technically (or tactfully)  "as not
feeding the poor and needy."
Perhaps the Reverend is right about
the meaning of sodomy in those
days. Today, the word sodomy
means any sexual intercourse
considered abnormal, as between
two male persons. The Reverend
certainly has a humorous way of
defining words.
Rev. Elrod also said something
about what Anita Bryant would
imagine if she found a man on
Jesus' breast. What can she
imagine? Nothing. Jesus is the Son,
second in the Trinity, and He is
God with the Father and the Holy
Spirit. I believe Jesus loves us as a
father and a brother. Therefore, I
do not see anything strange when a
man or woman gets intimate with
Him. I wonder if the Reverend sees
anything strange when his father is
being close to his grandfather.
Rev. Elrod gives us three reasons
for the existence of homosexuality:
"First, having a gay portion of the
population is a biological way of
producing non-childbearing persons." I wonder which, biology or
God, is more important to the
Reverend. God gives us two sexes
because He wants us to reproduce.
If He does not want us to have any
babies, why doesn't He say, "You,
down there, stop having babies."
Won't His command be more
Rev. Elrod says: "Secondly, gays
can serve a prophetic function (I
wonder what, for example). Their
sexuality allows gays to be removed
from society, removed from Dick
and Jane reader reality."
The Reverend has a point. If the
gays were removed, we would have
a healthier society.
Rev. Elrod further adds: "a third
reason is that gays are 'so artistic,'
justlike the blacks have so much
'rhythm' ".I wonder (again) if
"rhythm" is an "articles" or not.
Maybe the Reverend wants to say
that all the blacks are gay.
Finally, when Rev. Elrod tops his
version of "correct conception"
with facts of the Moslem faith, the
Hindu faith and Communism, I
confuse him with a Moslem priest,
a Hindu priest and a communist. I
ask myself, "What does the
Moslem faith, the Hindu faith, or
Communism have to do with
Christianity?" Nothing.
In the whole article, I sincerely
admire the cherry, Rev. Elrod's
favorite Biblical verse, Micah 6-8:
" 'He has showed you, O man,
what is good; and what does the
Lord require you but do justice and
to love kindness, and to walk
humbly with your God.' " After
enjoying the cherry, I still think
that God would have created a man
for Adam if He wanted us to be
gay. Mark Chiang
arts 1
Bible doesn't condone sodomy
I have been following the "gay-
straight" controversy for the past
several issues of The Ubyssey with
some interest. The article entitled,
" 'Bible doesn't thump gays' says
minister," particularly grabbed
my attention (Nov. 24). It would
seem that, according to the article,
Rev. Elrod is under the impression
that the Bible condones and goes as
far as to encourage active homosexuality by giving examples of
great "gay" heroes of faith. To
hold to such an interpretation of
the Bible message is, to put it
mildly, stretching it.
On the other hand, I would have
to agree that the "Bible doesn't
thump gays." The main thrust of
the message of Jesus Christ and in
fact the entire Bible is that God
loves you (as in active, positive,
concern and care). He loves you no
matter who you are or what you've
done, however great or however
inconspicuous you may feel you
He wants us to know Him and to
enter into a real and dynamic relationship with Him. He wants us
to know a health and wholeness of
mind, body and spirit and to know
right relationships with others
around us.
Anything that takes away from
this or prevents this, He doesn't like
and lets us know that. But He
doesn't just stop there. He
promises to give the resources and
strength to those people who want
to be His, who accept His love and
acceptance offered to them through
Jesus, so that they can be more like
what they were created to be. In a
nutshell this is what the Bible
It is important to understand that
the suggestion that I have
something "not right" within me,
does not mean that God sees me as
dirt and that I am to feel guilty and
worthless. Rather, God wants me to
see that He knows my need for
help. He cared so much in fact that
He paid the heavy price of His son's
death to make restoration of a close
relationship to Him possible.
Personal self-worth is not trampled
by this message. It becomes a living
The Bible doesn't thump gays,
but then again it doesn't condone
the practice of homosexual acts
either. In saying that the practice of
homosexuality is not acceptable,
the Bible is not putting up cute
definitions of who is a "straight"
person and who isn't, but describes
one of many things that are not
helpful to us in our relationship to
God and each other.
Homosexual acts do not occupy
an exalted position on a "hierarchy
of sins" as is implied by the furore
and debate. The Bible is just as
serious and forthright when it
describes gossiping, slander,
jealousy, hatred, etc., as it is when
mentioning the practice of homosexuality. These are reflections of
how we fall short of the mark and
that we need his rebuilding work in
This is my understanding of the
Bible's message to us. It is condensed and by no means perfect.
Nevertheless, the message is there
speaking of the Father's love,
understanding, discipline and hope.
Evan Effa
science 2 Thursday, November 30, 1978
Pag» 5
TAs spurned by administration
On Nov. 2, the negotiating committee of the association of
teaching assistants met for one hour
with representatives of the UBC administration. Instead of discussing
some important issues facing TAs,
the administrators, headed by vice-
president Erich Vogt, insisted on
talking only about whether they
would talk to us. They decided not
to talk to us, claiming that certain
members of our committee were
"inappropriate" representatives of
We shall explain more of this
matter later,   but  first  we  shall
outline the whole frustrating
history of the ATA's attempts to
negotiate with the UBC administration, since this recent meeting is just
the latest example of their refusal to
seriously deal with us.
It should be pointed out that,
through strenuous efforts, the ATA
has met with some successes. The
ATA last year was able to correct
all reported instances of failures to
provide a promised seven per cent
pay raise. Also, substantial pay
raises were achieved for many low-
paid TAs in various departments.
These successes were isolated
instances where UBC policy on TAs
had not been observed. Over-all
UBC TA policy is governed by a
document, dated Feb. 9, 1973,
entitled "Statement of Policy
Regarding Graduate Student
Service Appointments."
This document says a great deal
about hours of work, pay scales,
grievance procedures, appointment
procedures, and so on, for graduate
student TAs. However, this policy
has been widely ignored.
For example, if the 1973 policy's
pay promises were implemented,
then TA pay would be about $600
per year higher in all the arts departments, in agriculture, in some
life sciences, and in a few other
places on campus. The 1973 policy
stipulates that TAs are not to work
more than 12 hours per week, but
the workloads in many departments
are so heavy that TAs regularly
work longer than the policy
maximum. Other matters in the
document pertaining to TA
working conditions (which are
students' learning conditions!) have
also been ignored.
Right from the time the ATA was
founded in March 1977, these
discrepancies between fact and
policy promises have been brought
to the attention of the UBC administration.
On July 6, 1977, at the first
meeting between the ATA and the
administration, president Doug
Kenny said he would reacquaint the
UBC deans with the 1973 policy,
since apparently most of the deans
were unaware of its existence.
Eight months later, on March 2,
1978, the ATA learned in a meeting
with Vogt and a sub-committee of
the committee of deans that most
deans were still unaware of the
existence of the 1973 report!
However, at the next meeting of
the committee of deans, which is
the body making the major
decisions about TAs, the deans reaffirmed the 1973 policy statement.
The ATA then pressed for immediate implementation of the
policy. But at a meeting between
the ATA and a subcommittee of
deans on Aug. 16, 1978 the deans
claimed that the 1973 policy expresses   a   wish,   rather   than   a
Dave Fuller is president of the
association of teaching assistants of
UBC. Perspectives is a column of
opinion open to anyone in the
university community.
commitment, to raise TA stipends
to a reasonable level!
The most recent move came to
light when the administration
recently delivered to the ATA copy
of a new policy proposal which,
along with other changes, deletes
the old passage on minimum
The issue of overwork of TAs is
another interesting case. The
graduate committee on teaching
assistantships, which preceded the
ATA, collected information which
showed that TAs regularly worked
longer than 12 hours per week,
which was supposed to be the
maximum average work load for
TAs. This information was made
available to the administration, but
the situation still persists.
The same is true for the issue of
lessening the wide disparities that
exist between departments in the
rate of pay for TAs. The range is
from about $4,100 to $5,200 for a
full TA appointment of
(theoretically) 12 hours per week
over eight months, although there
are some rates below these figures.
Again, this issue was raised in many
The 1973 policy promised to
lessen the disparities,. but the
present attitude of the administration was expressed in the meeting of
March 2, 1978, between the ATA
and some deans. We were informed
that '.'market differentials" were a
"fact of life," and that therefore
uniformity is impossible.
Administrators have explained to
our delegations several times their
views on how the supply of, and
demand for TAs determines the
rates of pay and working conditions
of TAs.
Departments where TAs are "in
demand" (e.g. physical sciences)
receive higher pay, but departments
having "low demand" for TAs
receive lower pay. But we point out
that other universities (e.g. SFU)
have managed with uniform pay for
TAs in all departments. If the 1973
UBC policy on minimum stipends
were enforced, then the existing
disparities would be considerably
In response to our request that
TA pay rates should keep up with
the rise in the cost of living (which
they have not), we have been told
that this would be "altruistic," and
that the administration does not
base many of its decisions on
In order to attempt to enforce the
standards which the central UBC
administration has set for TA rates,
hours of work, etc., but which have
not been implemented by a large
number of departments, the ATA
has proposed, from our first
meeting with the administration on
July 6,1977, to the recent farce of a
meeting on Nov. 2, 1978, that there
should be a standard, university-
wide contract or appointment form
for TAs,
This form should contain details
of pay, hours of work, and specific
duties expected of the TA. The
form should be signed by both the
administration and by the TA, so
that any attempt to change the
conditions of work would require
the consent of the TA. Furthermore, copies of all the forms
should be processed by a central TA
authority to ensure compliance
with all the regulations.
The idea was kicked around on
Sept. 23, 1977, when in a meeting
we were told that a central administration for TAs could be set
up for appointment notices, but
pay uniformity could not be
achieved across the campus.
However, vice-president Vogt
suggested instead that each of the
11 deans' offices could handle TA
appointments    (i.e.    the    present
system which is not working).
The matter was brought up again
by an ATA delegation to the Board
of Governors meeting on Dec. 6,
1977. But in a meeting with a subcommittee of deans on March 2,
the 1973 report, but prefers a
chaotic system of administration so
that the promises can be ignored if
"market forces" allow it.
Since its founding, the ATA has
sought to gain recognition as the
representatives   of   the   TAs   on
1978, the ATA was told that the
deans disagree with the idea of a
central authority to administer
teaching assistantships. The new
policy proposal delivered recently
to the ATA contains no mention of
a central authority. It seems that
the administration easily makes
promises in policy documents like
campus. TAs have expressed their
recognition by joining the ATA in
large numbers, and both the
student representative assembly and
the graduate representative
assembly have unanimously
granted their recognition. Many
meetings with administration representatives, beginning with the first
on July 6 1977, were evidence of
such recognition on the administration's part in fact, if not in
But we thought the matter was
settled once and for all on Dec. 6,
1977, when four representatives of
the ATA met with the staff committee of the board, and presented
an 18-page brief on matters of
concern to TAs. It was the ATA's
understanding that in the closed-
session following its presentation,
the board resolved, among other
things, that "the board understands, and the minutes of the
meeting will show, that the ATA is
the de facto representative of UBC
TAs." The latter is a quote from
the January 1978 issue of the grad
student newsletter, "Intercourse."
This phrasing, in quotes above, was
checked with vice-president Vogt
for accuracy before the article was
put in Intercourse.
The whole matter of whether or
not the ATA represents the TAs
was brought up again by the administration in the "meeting"
which was held on Nov. 2, 1978. In
that meeting, the administrators
took an hour to argue that they
should not have to talk to the ATA
delegation, ostensibly because two
of our representatives are not
presently TAs (they were last year).
We pointed out that the ATA
constitution allows, UBC students
or post-docs who either are TAs
See page 8: ATA
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Women's drop-in, noon, SUB 130.
Dr. Lowe speaks on orthodontics, noon, IRC 1.
University  of  Washington   professor   Richard
Johnson speaks on the New England colonies
after the revolution, noon, Buch. 104.
Richard   Johnson   speaks   on   Mercantilism,
militarism,   or   muddling   through,   3:30   p.m..
Brock 363.
Napalese missionary Helen Houston speaks on
the cost and  rewards of discipleship,  noon,
Angus 104.
Coffee hour and dance preparations, noon, SUB
Discussion on democracy in Albania, noon, SUB
Gripping documentary shorts of tanker disasters,
noon, Curtis Law building 101.
Works of Stravinsky, Rossini and Beethoven,
noon today and Friday, Old Auditorium.
Andean music, 7:30 p.m., Kitsilano Secondary
School, 2550 W. 10.
Folk   nite,   8  p.m.'.   International   House  coffeepiace.
General meeting, noon, SUB 224.
NDP MLA Dennis Cocke speaks on How the
Socreds are wrecking higher education, noon,
SUB 207.
Caucus for model parliament, noon, SUB 213.
Women's drop-in, noon, SUB 130.
Meeting and slide show, noon, SUB 111.
Hang-gliding party, 7 p.m., SUB 212.
University of Alberta professor Ivan Rudnytsky
speaks on the 1654 Treaty of Pereyastaw, noon,
Buch. 3206.
Happy hour with free admission for members
and $.50 charge for non-members, 4 to 6 p.m.
and 8 to 9:30 p.m., Cecil Green Park.
First annual Christmas ball and gay disco, 8:30
p.m., Grad Centre ballroom.
Mandarin class, noon, Angus 221.
Japan night, 8:30 p.m., International House.
Women's drop-in, noon, SUB 130.
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Star gazing
Ever wonder if the Stonehenge
was a primitive apartment building
that was never completed because
of a labor/management dispute?
Michael Ovendon, a UBC
astronomy professor, will be speaking tonight at 8 p.m., at the Vancouver Centennial Museum
auditorium on "Sun, Stars and
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Stonehenge and discussing ancient
peoples' knowledge of astronomy
and geometry.
And on Dec. 7 Ovendon will give
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Paga 7
Watercloset racists come out
"Did you hear about the new
Chinese doll? Wind it up and it goes
to UBC!"
That's a sample of the racist
graffiti in UBC's washrooms, and
one of the milder samples, but it
shows the kind of fears some
students feel. The picture behind it
is something like this: the campus is
being swamped by Chinese kids
who are programmed to do well
and who automatically do well.
They don't suffer from the work
load, they don't hate to give up
their free time, they don't have
breakdowns at exam time. And
they all look alike.
I grew up with racism; my family
still calls East Indian workers 'rag-
tops' and has a dozen other racist
labels for other groups — the
'chinks,' the 'wops,' and so on.
Prime Minister Mackenzie King
stated, "it is fortunate that the use
of the bomb should have been upon
the Japanese rather than upon the
white races of Europe." It's not
Not new, but growing. I don't
remember this kind of thing in the
sixties when I first studied here.
Times were different — the
economy was in better shape,
competition for grades seemed less
intense, and even hitchhiking was a
spouts off
Heather Bryans' Nov. 21 Perspectives article demonstrates the
corruption of language which
results from pseudo-scientific
analysis of non-scientific problems.
What are we to make of phrases
such as "complex matrix of
multiple systems," or "we need a
cubistic world view, one that is
multi-faceted in dimension?"
The words roll off the tongue,
unencumbered by meaning. This
form of writing undermines the
foundation of serious thought and
discussion. Ron Balden
1110 Seymour St.
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lot easier. Canada's economy is in
serious trouble now and open
racism is coming back into style.
The recent moves against foreign
students may be just the beginning.
Racism has an important social
function: when times are tough it is
better for some to have race
fighting race, rather than class
fighting class.
I wish I could make the water-
closet racists think about the old
adage "divide and rule." They are
in the process of being divided from
other students and when they leave
this place they will be cut off from
other workers. They will be weaker
and we will all be weaker because of
it. Whoever rules will be stronger.
Anyone who thinks a little racism
among students doesn't matter
should study the German
universities of the late twenties.
They were strongholds and
breeding grounds of anti-semitism.
I think we have a choice; either
we start to fight the racists among
us or we watch this campus turn
into a jungle. Then there will be
another joke told about us: "Have
you heard about the students from
UBC? When there weren't enough
jobs to .go around they learned to
cut each other's throats."
 David Robinson
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Thursday, November 30, 1978
administration at the University
of Winnipeg has reversed its
rosition on expelling 14 foreign
.1 udents who have not purchased
icalth insurance.
Last week the administration
said it intended to expel 14
foreign students who had not
purchased the insurance, which
:ost<. $98 per person.
The department ol immigration
then announced that the students
Mould be deported il they were
expelled 11Din school.
Ihe nuinbei at m udents who
have not paid the tee ii currently
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Lam.cl the students' registration
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Students OSAPed
From page 1
She said she got her grant for this
year on Tuesday.
"I'm sure the only reason I got
my grant was that I kept harassing
Galli said she had to borrow $800
from friends until her grant came.
She said she met one student
from Ontario whose grant was also
delayed, but he could not afford to
call the OSAP office.
"Go up to the registrar's office
any afternoon and you'll see about
six of them (Ontario students)
asking if their money's in yet."
Hender said the UBC awards
office has made short term funds
available to some Ontario students.
Stuart Clark, Bank of Montreal
SUB branch manager, said the
bank has made several emergency
loans to Ontario students.
"We have had several who have
approached us, but it hasn't been
an en masse thing."
Galli said students were experiencing lengthy delays in getting
emergency  funds  from the  UBC
awards office.
"About a week ago, after I'd
been going to the registrar's office
for weeks, they said I could get an
emergency loan downstairs
(through the awards office).
"So I went there and was told I
had to wait a week for an appointment."
Hender said the majority of
Ontario students have now received
their OSAP grants.
"The press of the problem is
over, but a few students still have
some problems to be ironed out."
He said earlier in the term there
was a similar problem with B.C.
student aid.
"Ontario is the worst (for
delays), but B.C. isn't far behind,"
he said.
Clark also sai*d delays in B.C.
student aid had caused problems.
"We had quite a rush in October
for students who hadn't gotten
their disbursements in September."
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ATA slams admin
From page 5
this year or last year, to be members
of the ATA. We explained that this
was to ensure continuity on the
executive, because TAs come and
go very quickly at UBC.
In fact, last year, the administration met with many delegations
from the ATA which included our
president, who was not himself a
TA in that year (he had been a TA
in the previous year). The administration had been made well aware
of our membership criteria last year
and had no objections then. But
this year they have decided to
object to our president, on the
grounds that he is not presently a
During the futile meeting of Nov.
2, the administrators stated, in
effect, that they, and not TAs, are
the ones who should choose TA
Vogt stated in that meeting, that
the administration was bound to
meet with representatives chosen by
labor unions on campus, but did
not have to meet with TA representatives if they had objections.
At a special general meeting of
the ATA on Nov. 17, the members
overwhelmingly reaffirmed our
right to choose our own
It is noteworthy that since
September, 1978, the ATA has been
seeking lists of all TAs in all departments on campus, in order to
directly approach all TAs to
convince them to join the ATA.
First, the faculty of graduate
studies, which has a complete list
and which last year gave us the list,
sent us to all the individual departments for the lists. We have obtained a great many, but some
departments have refused.
Last week, an edict came down
from the dean's office in the arts
faculty that no further lists should
be given to the ATA. It is quite
clear that the administration would
like to prevent us from meeting
The ATA has met with many
more frustrations in its attempts to
seriously negotiate with the administration. It is obvious to us
now that the administration relies
on delaying matters for a long time
in the hope that the ATA will
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