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The Ubyssey Nov 18, 1980

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Array Grads 'raw material' for business world
WINNIPEG (CUP) — "Earning a B.A.
only means you have mastered the first two
letters of the alphabet backwards."
That summed up the attitude of Jack MacDonald, vice-president and general manager
of the Royal Bank of Canada, when he spoke
at the University of Manitoba last week.
MacDonald said education is a "lifelong
process" and university training is only one
aspect of that process, a fact he feels many
students overlook. While skilled people are
the finished products for universities, he said,
they are still raw material in the business
According to MacDonald, universities are
corporations  whose  finished products are
skilled people and they should aim to produce what business and industry need.
If the university is to survive, MacDonald
said, it musl produce what the market demands, just like a corporation.
Thus MacDonald sees a shift away from
non-practical, non-business oriented courses.
He said the universities should plan their
courses in consultation with business and
In past years, he said, someone going into
banking would rely on accounting and business skills as training. In the modern age, he
went on, new skills such as communications,
a knowledge of foreign affairs and a second
language, and marketing training were highly
desirable in a graduate entering the work
MacDonald indicated that if universities
fail to respond to private sector needs, companies will train their own employees.
Vol. LXIII. No. 29
Vancouver, B.C. Tuesday, November 18,1960
Closing time
moved back
— atuart davla photo
SONY BONO warily approaches furious marble players in midst of violent argument over who shoots next for
valuable crystal cat's eye in centre of circle while former singing mate, Cher, in cowboy getup at left, looks on.
Has-been veterans of plastic protest and terrible television are considering co-operating in new career as hosts
Marvelous Marbles touring sports spectacular.
AMS sets withdrawal 'trend'
Queens University is following
the lead of the UBC Alma Mater
Society in considering the possibility of withdrawing from the
Association of Student Councils,
the AOSC representative for B.C.
and Alberta said Monday.
The Queens student society is
currently examining the reasons for
their membership in AOSC, said
Tracy Kuhtz.
"I'm not sure the decision of any
one university will affect any other
university," she said.
"In terms of suggesting that it
(withdrawing from AOSC) is a
trend, it seems to be a trend of two:
Queens and UBC," said a B.C.
Students Federation spokesperson.
"I don't think that Queens is going to withdraw from AOSC. Like
UBC they want to be able to have
associate memberships within
AOSC. I doubt that they're in a
really big hurry to pull out," Steve
Shallhorn said.
Delegates from UBC and five
other universities stormed out of
the final plenary session of AOSC
Oct. 19 over a matter of "freedom
of choice."
The delegates were against the
concept of legislating members of
AOSC to join the National Union
of Students, who are not members
of both organizations, to commit
themselves to a referendum to join
the other. AMS president Bruce
Armstrong wants to retain the
freedom of choice to join either the
political or service side of the new
organization which will be formed
as a result of the merger.
BCSF is having its; conference
this weekend and the executive will
recommend some changes in terms
of dealing with AOSC such as
associate memberships for services
and a separate AOSC representative
for B.C., Shallhorn said.
"What the B.C. plenary is going
to be saying (by advocating
associate memberships) is, okay,
we'll give you what you want."
Shallhorn said that although the
possibility of a western Ontario service organization is being discussed
by Queens, there are not enough
schools that would be interested in
it to make it work.
"It would be unfortunate (if
Queens were to withdraw) but since
they make no monetary commitment to AOSC it wouldn't hurt
them (AOSC) financially. In fact,
Queens does not participate actively
in AOSC," he said.
AMS external affairs coordinator
Allan Soltis said the move by
Queens allows UBC to look into the
possibility of setting up an alternate
service organization.
"It gives us more bargaining
power and it means we're not the
only troublemakers and that there
are other universities out there that
are thinking."
Student council member Shayne
Boyd said, "At the AOSC conference last year we were accused of
being far to conservative and moving too slowly. This time our
delegates were some of the forerunners of the movement rather than
the last to get on the bandwagon."
"Hopefully now the board
members will do their homework
and go a little more slowly with
their plans," Soltis said.
He was especially hesitant about
the proposed membership fee hike.
After a recent rash of alleged infractions of liquor permits, the student administrative commission will
recommend to student council that,
among other things, drinking be
allowed till midnight at functions.
Infractions include lack of security, open liquor leaving the functions, and absence of the liquor
licence holder.
No alcohol can be consumed
after 11:30 p.m. under the current
The SAC recommendation included:
• closing be changed to midnight,
• required purchases of
alcoholic beverages from the Pit be
at straight cost,
• the proposal have a trial
period of six weeks, commencing
Jan. 5, 1981,
• and that beer and alcohol be
served in plastic cups.
Alma Mater Society administration director Craig Brooks feels the
recommendation will be approved
by student council.
"I think the midnight closing is a
reasonable thing," he said. "But I
must emphasize it is a trial period."
Just last week Brooks sent
memos to four groups asking for a
representative to attend a SAC
meeting to explain alleged infractions observed at their functions.
But "a couple of groups have said
'to heck with you' to come and talk
to SAC about alleged infractions,"
he said.
As a result, SAC was in the process of revising its guidelines for
provincial liquor applications when
engineering undergraduate society
president Don Erenholtz suggested
that closing times be changed to 1
The new guidelines were designed
to clarify and improve the regula
tions surrounding liquor licences to
avoid infractions and a "repeat of
1976," said Brooks.
(In 1976 the AMS closed down
the Pit and Lethe for three weeks as
a result of an RCMP threat to
recommend the withdrawal of its liquor license. The RCMP felt that
vandalism on campus was a result
of lax AMS policies in the Pit.)
But the 1 a.m. proposal was not
considered seriously. "I think the 1
a.m. proposal is ridiculous and the
RCMP won't pass it," Brooks said.
"And it's up to the RCMP to
Currently the Pit has a last call at
11:30 p.m. and SAC members felt a
later time for club functions would
lead to a double standard, he said.
But EUS member Peter Mitchell
"At present I feel the 11:30 p.m.
closing time leads to infractions
rather than make SUB safer," Mitchell said. The problem is not with
the closing time because infractions
occur at eight, nine or 10 p.m., he
"The closing time can be later if
policing is better. In our opinion,
policing is not adequate for an
11:30 closing time."
But Mitchell agreed that the new
closing time is more realistic than
the EUS proposal. Otherwise the
costs of bands would increase and
because of fire regulations, the SUB
areas used could not be closed off
from the rest of the building to prevent vandalism.
Serving the beverages in plastic
cups "sounds like a little thing but
it solves a lot of problems," said
Brooks. It will cut down on the
amount of beer people can physically carry, make it harder to carry liquor out, as well as make bottle collection much easier at the end of the
event for staff.
No Xmas carrels
Despite a delay of several months in office construction at Brock Hall,
study carrels will not be returned to the currently vacant space which used
to belong to students.
Administration vice-president Erich Vogt said Monday he will try to
have tables moved into Brock Hall during the Christmas exam study period, but carrels would definitely not return.
"If we had the decision to make over again, we may have never removed
the carrels," Vogt said. "But they're gone now and they're not going to be
He said the carrels which used to be in Brock Hall have been relocated in
various locations around the campus.
He said student politicians misquoted him in Thursday's Ubyssey when
they said carrels would be replaced.
Vogt said construction of offices in Brock Hall has been delayed for unknown reasons, but suspected "the physical plant is not handling the matter with enough urgency."
The administration removed study carrels from Brock Hall before the
winter session began despite student protest in order to make room for offices for the psychology department.
The new offices are designed to house professors currently operating out
of the huts behind the education building. The huts will be torn down so a
new psychology building can be constructed.
Vogt said the delay in Brock Hall construction will seriously affect the
schedule for construction of the psychology building. Page 2
Tuesday, November 18,1980
Engineers named
What's in a name?
That is what the faculty of applied sciences is asking itself.
According to applied science
dean Martin Wedepohl, the faculty
may soon be changing its name in
order to indicate to first year
students that engineering is included in the faculty.
Applied sciences includes nursing
and architecture as well as engineering.
"We wanted to somehow reflect
in the name of the faculty that there
is engineering offered at UBC,"
Wedepohl said Thursday. "There
are schools of nursing and architecture, but not engineering."
The proposal was first made two
weeks ago and asked that the name
be changed to the faculty of applied
science and engineering.
But Wedepohl arranged for the
motion to be withdrawn because of
insufficient discussion. "Procedur
ally it (the name change) should
have been discussed at different
faculty levels," he said.
The motion was not discussed
with students, and came as a surprise to nursing, architecture and
engineering students. But most
students felt the change was not important.
"Architecture students are too
busy to be concerned about
something like a name change,"
one architecture student said.
"I think it helps first years coming in to feel identity," said
engineering undergraduate society
vice-president Rob Pearce. "But
there's been nothing from engineering students to prompt the action."
Although the first proposal was
withdrawn, a new name is still expected, Wedepohl said.
"I'm expecting some change in
the future, but I'm not sure what,"
he said.
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Instructors favor illegal strike
CALGARY (CUP) — Instructors
at both the Southern Alberta Institute of Technology and the Northern Alberta Institute of
Technology have voted in favor of
using strike actidh to back their
contract demands.
Instructors at NAIT said they will
walk off the job today if an agreement is not reached. SAIT union
members said they will join the northern institute if strike action is
But according to Albertan legislation, it is illegal for the instructors,
classed as civil servants, to strike.
"We are simply trying to get
government to pay some attention,
to spur them into taking some action," said union spokesperson
Gray Clarke.
"We now, at least, have a mandate to take job action. And if the
government doesn't take constructive action soon, that mandate will
be exercised," he added.
If instructors do strike, they will
not be backed by SAIT students,
according to an extensive poll conducted by the Emery Weal, the student newspaper.
Despite assurances that construction would be complete by October,
expansion projects for half the major arteries to UBC are still tying up
Southwest Marine Drive and 16th
Avenue will not be fully operational
until mid-January, a campus
RCMP spokesman said Monday.
The roads are being converted into
four lane highways and were
originally scheduled to open in the
first week of September.
After uncooperative weather
delayed construction, physical plant
director Neville Smith told The
Ubyssey the projects would be
finished by mid-October.
But the roads are still under construction, although two paved lanes
are usually open on each road.
Considering the construction taking place, RCMP say there has not
been a surprising increase in accidents or complaints.
Students said they supported
their instructors demands for better
pay, but of the 111 surveyed, 57
said they would cross the picket
line, 31 said they would not, and 23
were undecided.
Many students expressed concern
they may not be able to complete
apprenticeship programs if a strike
took place.
One student said a strike might
mean the loss of $8,000 in wages if
the apprenticeship program was not
completed by the date it is scheduled to end.
"When it means money being
taken from my pocket, that's when
I start bitching," the student said.
Other students were bothered by
the possible loss of a diploma.
"It hurts me, because I don't
benefit from them going on strike,"
one student said.
Students who said they would
honor picket lines blamed the
government negotiators for the
Negotiations for all Alberta institutes of technology came to a halt
last month. Instructors were offered 8 and one quarter per cent
wage increases, which were turned
down two to one by the instructors.
According to union members,
salaries have been slipping for instructors since 1976. They say wages
have not kept up with inflation.
"The only way instructors can
keep going is to have an outside
source   of   income,"   said   Steve
Buckley, SAIT instructors association vice president.
"That is bound to affect the time
dedicated to teaching preparation
but instructors do have to feed their
families and pay the mortgage," he
Following rejection of the offer,
the provincial government took the
instructors to binding arbitration,
which will take until the end of
January to complete. The instructors would only have one appointment on the arbitration board as
opposed to the government's two.
PREDATOR BICYCLE: emerges from laboratory spewing dangerous
radiation, turns head and licks manidible-like forks in anticipation of
feasting on late-night pedestrians returning from too long studying at
UBC's many libraries, too long straining their eyes over large tomes full of
•ggartaon photo
fine print, blurring their vision so they will never notice one-tired transpora-
tion terror closing in for the kill until it is too late and they perish writhing
while weird wheeled mutant machine whispers hoarsely, "fork you."Can
you afford to not believe it?
Impeachment due
WINDSOR (CUP) — A referendum may be held at the
University of Windsor to impeach the student council president for undemocratic behavior
and failing to adequately represent students.
A student executive officer
has resigned and a petition is being circulated asking for the
president's impeachment.
Stan Gordon, coordinator of
the Windsor Jewish students'
organization started a petition
last week to remove Dave Simmons as student council president. He said Simmons had ignored many of his duties and
often misrepresented student interests.
Gordon said Simmons
questioned the necessity of a
Jewish club on campus. Simmons had earlier said he was not
in favor of establishing a gay
students' club at Windsor.
According to Gordon, Simmons was not on campus during
a fee increase referendum held
last month.
In a related incident, John
Rizopoulos,   external   affairs
commissioner of the council, has
resigned his position because he
says he can no longer work with
Rizopoulos said he felt the
tensions in the studen: council
office had gone beyond the
point 'where reconciliation was
possible. In a letter to the Windsor student newspaper. The
Lance, Rizopoulos called for
Simmons' resignation "so that
the student council here (can) get
back to its original route of good
student representation and
numerous services."
Rizopoulos also said Simmons
did not adequately represent
Windsor students on national or
provincial levels.
"His representation in national or provincial conferences
was fair to bad. In many cases
his own ideas came through at
the provincial student government level while our interests,
the interests of the students of
the U of W, were ignored," he
said in the letter.
Simmons has refused to comment on the petition or the
possibility of a referendum. He
said he saw no reason to resign
his position.
Part-timers strive for union
time teachers at the Universite de
Montreal will form a separate certified union if they get a majority in
a new membership drive slated to
begin Nov. 24.
The final ruling of the Quebec labor court recognized the right of
part time teachers and clinical staff
at the U de M to form a union separate from their full time counterparts.
According to Allen Gottheil, a
union representative who helped organize the part timers at the U de
M, university appeals are "the key
way to oppose a union without
seemingly breaking a union." He
said it was merely a polite way to
oppose unionization.
According to Francine Panet-
Raymond, assistant director of
work relations in the U de M personnel department, the university
had contested the labor commission
and court decisions on the grounds
that "part time teachers did not
form a single unit."
The part time teachers association must embark on another membership drive because the court's
ruling stated that part time clinical
staff from medicine, dentistry and
optometry who were previously ex
eluded from the association must be
Panet-Raymond said medicine
clinical staff had been left out of the
association by the university and
the dentistry and optometry part
timers were excluded by the labor
However, the labor court judge
who deemed it appropriate to have
a union "put them all back in,"
Panet-Raymond said.
UBC trucking with gas
Excessive demand on lower
mainland oil refineries has prompted UBC to convert 18 trucks to run
on compressed natural gas.
The provincial government will
pay for both converting and fuelling the vehicles, Don Sheraton,
head of the project, said Monday.
The converted trucks will carry
two tanks of compressed natural
gas a pressure of 2,450 pounds per
square inch, but Sheraton said
quarter inch solid steel would
eliminate any danger of explosion.
Sheraton said the natural gas
would be safer than regular gasoline
in the event of a leak because
natural gas escapes into the atmosphere while gasoline has a
tendency to pool.
He said the conversion could
have positive ecological ramifications because natural gas is estimat
ed to emit at least 50 per cent less
Conversion will cost the government between $800 and $1,500 per
vehicle. Although the price of natural gas has not yet been set, Sheraton estimated it would save about
60 per cent per mile over gasoline.
Acceleration of vehicles will decrease by about 15 per cent, he said.
Natural gas vehicles have been
used in Italy for more than 10 years,
Sheraton said.
He said the oil refineries currently
serving the Lower Mainland are
running at capacity and there is no
room to build another. But because
B.C. has an abundance of natural
gas, the government hopes to use it
as a solution.
The B.C. government is considering an initial plan of establishing 10
natural gas filling stations in the
Lower Mainland, Sheraton said. Page 4
Tuesday, November 18, 1980
Are we free or just fodder?
Jack MacDonald, vice-president and general
manager of the Royal Bank of Canada, knows
what's best for us.
The university is just like a corporation, he
says, and it should produce what the market demands: graduates are only raw material for the
Don't study Socrates because he doesn't sell.
Pure science is out because it isn't cost effective.
Forget theatre, philosophy, physics research,
astronomy and English; there's no market for
It would be easier to dismiss this view as one
which doesn't pay attention to the real purposes
of the university rf MacDonald wasn't supported
by the actions and attitudes of the students who
attend post-secondary institutions at this time.
Some examples: commerce students hold a
careers day and invite several corporations
whose ethics are doubtful and who have poor
records in employer-employee relations.
Students who organize and attend careers day
tell The Ubyssey they think it's a great idea because they are at the university only to get jobs.
A graduate student picks up a hitchhiker going
to UBC and asks what's wrong with Canadian
students that makes them so different from students in the U.S. who show enthusiasm for university life and work to make American campuses lively, interesting places.
The Alma Mater Society can't find students
willing to serve on the committees that ensure
students at UBC are provided with all the services they have asked for and paid for. Most
posts in the AMS and its various societies and
organizations are filled by acclamation, or sometimes not filled at all. The reason given is that
students cannot find time to be away from their
Even the engineers are far below their usual
level of boisterous activity.
Learning a profession is indeed important, but
the system supposedly is geared so that there is
time for other things as well.
The university should certainly not take up
MacDonald's suggestion to gear itself to the
marketplace. Too much that is important not just
to us, but to society in general, might be lost.
If you let the university become a round of boring classes, dry professors and brain-twisting exams just to get a job when you get out, you've
blown your chance. You will have gone through
four or five years of servitude just to sign on for a
whole life of the same. You may have been trained for something but you will have learned
It's amazing how much learning can be accomplished when classes are avoided so that you
can mix with your fellows and exchange some
ideas about life. Never again will you have so
much time and such a place to do it in. Don't allow people like Jack MacDonald to turn this
place of learning into an overgrown technical
Get off your ass when fire alarm sounds
Several times this past week I
have been in the Computing Centre
when the fire alarm went off. Each
time, I packed up my books and left
the building (as did a few others) to
await the crack UBC fire department to douse yet another false
Regardless of its cause, be it a
faulty heat sensor, some idiot
prankster with a fetish for hoses
and brass, or a real fire, I was dismayed by the lack of attention
given by students, profs, and university employees to the alarm.
One would think that in a building overflowing with paper and
other combustibles, the occupants
would have the sense to at least get
off their butts and leave the building, if for nothing else a breath of
our questionably fresh Pacific west
coast air.
But no. It's just another false
alarm, they say.
One event in particular caused me
great concern. On Friday morning
(Nov. 14), at about 9:45 a.m. the
alarm was tripped. There were two
university employed painters on the
ground floor of the Computing
Centre just outside the grad student's study area.
The painters were on coffee
break when the bell rang. They, of
all people, should know how volatile oil-based paint fumes are. The
painters did not move from their
chairs. If I was their employer I
would ask their union to reprimand
them for contravening Workers'
Compensation Board regulations,
to whom they would have had the
audacity to submit a claim for
wages lost during rehabilitation
from their injuries.
I am sure there are enough of you
students reading this who, having
been burned out of your house or
apartment, appreciate what it might
mean to be caught and trapped in
Nader sees 'seed' need
Ralph Nader is famous for being the most influential concerned citizen in
the United States. He has helped create the current social awareness that we
can make our society truly livable. His practical approach to consumer and
environmental affairs is highly regarded because it works and is beneficial
to all.
One of the exciting and effective projects that Ralph Nader has undertaken is the creation of Public Interest Research Groups (PIRGs) at university campuses across the U.S., as well as at universities in Ontario.
We would like to point out some inaccuracies of Friday's article about
Nader, and PIRGs. First, Ralph Nader is asking $2,000 for his speech at
UBC, and the same amount for his speech at SFU. However, he will provide "seed money" to help in organizing a PIRG organization if we show
Second, there is no "huge organization" called PIRG in the U.S. Each
of the more than 30 PIRGs in the U.S. are independent of each other, and
of Nader. New York PIRG alone has a budget of over one million dollars.
All funding for PIRGs comes from students, voluntarily.
So what is a PIRG? A PIRG is, in a way, an organized opportunity.
Students are a unique type of citizen, for they are freer to effect social progress than any other class of people. Students have the time, motivation,
and organizing potential to do research in the public interest, and use that
research to influence social policy for the common good.
Moreover, the university campus is a unique resource, due to the variety
and quality of the disciplines represented there.
But after graduation, we are no longer students. We no longer have the
resources of the campus, nor the freedom of the student lifestyle, which
students can use to be concerned citizens creating a participatory
We can create for ourselves this opportunity! Listen to Ralph Nader on
Friday! Find out about PIRG!
Peter Goddard and four others
B.C. PIRG organizing committee
the basement or top floor of a five
storey torch.
A fire alarm, as trite and cliche as
this sounds, is not something to be
ignored. If you decide to stay in the
building and it happens to be a false
alarm, then you might try Las Vegas or Reno since your luck is running high.
But if it is real there are a few
things you might be interested in
a) you can be charged for not
leaving a burning building as you
can create an unnecessary risk for
those whose job it is to put the fire
b) you cannot collect damages
for injuries sustained if you are injured in a fire from which you had
the chance to escape, and chose not
c)although VGH has a very good
burn unit, they cannot save every
patient admitted, and most of the
patients that do survive their injuries must undergo years of reconstructive surgery to put back even
part of what was lost.
In view of recent events in that
one building I have a few sugges-
The Ubyssey welcomes letters
from all readers.
Pen names will be used when the
writer's real name is also included
for our information in the letter and
when valid reasons for anonymity
are given.
Although an effort is made to
publish ail letters received, The
Ubyssey reserves the right to edit
letters for reasons of brevity, legality and taste.
tions to make to the student body
and the instructors and others employed by the university.
Please pay attention to a bell that
is intended to alert you to the possibility of danger in your area. If you
are in charge of a class or giving instruction, it is your responsibility to
see that the room is cleared and that
all the students know why you are
doing this. If you are working in the
vicinity, no one will complain if you
put down your tools and leave the
building   until   the   emergency   is
For those of you who feel like
sheep when you leave the alarm
area, I laud your sensibility. Just
keep on bleating and get the hell out
until the firemen say it's safe to return. For the rest of you hot dogs
who prefer not to endure the short
break from the tedium, you should
burn with your books!
Alex Zbar
computer science 3
Revolution revolting
At the risk of sounding fanatical,
I would like to take strong exception Ted Longstaffe's "personal
note" that appeared Nov. 13 ('Bad
writing bad'). This student would
like to see non-conformists come
out of the woodwork, unite and
make themselves heard. Whoever
told Ted that the ranks of these eccentrics has been "dropping alarmingly" is completely uninformed.
The fact is thousands of nonconformists (or revolutionaries, as I
prefer to call them) are running
rampant on this campus.
Just look around you, Ted! All
these radicals (another favorite
word) buying revolutionary new
sports cars, dreaming up revolutionary new ways to make more
money (I heard that even more and
more students are using the revolutionary new Gillette twin blade
shaving system!) and it doesn't stop
there, either.
These radicals are transcending
the ranks of the UBC administration as well; conjecturing revolu
tionary new ways to erase old worn
out ideas (i.e. the Main Library) in
order that new radical ideas may
have space to manifest themselves.
Did you know, Ted, that last
year, radicals in the housing department wanted to coerce students living in the Gage lowrise into living a
Kitsilano existence? Why, you ask?
So more radicals could visit UBC
and stay at the Gage Hotel!
And you want such revolutionaries to proliferate? Call me
old-fashioned, but I would like to
see these non-conformists (I hate
euphemisms) to return to their holes
to allow the rest of us conformists
to work in our old-fashioned
library; breathe our old-fashioned
air; and abide by our old-fashioned
ethics (remember brotherly love? It
was popular before "dollar
Let us commoners live a life free
of "radical" progress!
Paul Yaskowich
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November 18, 1980
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Page 5
Help me, I am not a sexist
I want to know if there are any other people on campus who believe that the AMS women's committee has
not got its collective head screwed on quite straight.
To illustrate: anyone vaguely acquainted with sanity
who has been at UBC around the time of the Lady
Godiva ride, knows that the two groups on campus
with the greatest enmity toward each other are the engineering undergraduate society and the women's committee.
Since I'm interested in women's and men's liberation, I approached these two groups with the proposal
that I do some informal interviews with members of
each faction, leading to an impartial study of the enmity.
From the gears I got cautious support; I expected a
similar reaction from the women. Instead, in the
period of two weeks after I presented my idea, I was
told there was no enmity, that the committee had no
policy toward the EUS, that I was dealing with either
too narrow or too broad a topic, that it was a subject,
and I quote, "which has to be avoided and is unavoidable," and finally, that they would not consent to being interviewed unless it were "on their own terms."
Let's get some things straight. The AMS women's
committee is not even an official AMS committee and
has not been for some time. Even if they were, they
would be violating at least one point of their charter:
that every student should be able to attend their meetings.
The first item of the minutes of their Sept. 30 meeting states men are not allowed at meetings because it
might discourage women from being assertive and because policy decisions are made.
I could understand the first reason if the "committee" presented itself not as a committee, but as a service or interest group for harassed women; but in their
second reason they come perilously close to stereotyping all men as sexist spies out for their destruction.
I am one of the least sexist people I know, and I believe something like the Women's Committee is very
much needed on campus. But this "committee" has a
strange multiple personality: part legitimate women-
oriented organization, part confidence-building service, part reactionary, defensive, self-righteous, socialist-feminist propaganda distributor.
I am uneasy to think that my AMS is supporting all
aspects of this Sybil of a pseudo-committee, and I
would like to know if others feel the same.
Jamie Andrews
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Law druid fears for trees
I have recently seen the new
plans for the library. I can't
quite understand them all, but
from what I gather the space
between the Main and
Sedgewick Libraries is about to
I'd like to speak in opposition
to that. I know that library expansion and efficiency are important considerations for the
university, but there is a red
maple on the north side of that
area that I love. It's at it's best
right now, with all the red leaves
falling on the ferns and rock
underneath it.
There's also a lovely set of
trees on the south side — the
right hand side as you face Main
from the roof of Sedgewick —
and it would be a shame to get
rid of them. There's a tall one,
an oak I think, which has lovely
colours and a marvelous shape,
and there's an old one with one
branch in a crutch.
I'm sure there are others that
I've missed, and I apologize to
them, but I hope I've made my
point. I've been on this campus
ten years now, and I can't tell
you how much that red tree has
meant to me. I'd hate to see it
Stephen Wexler
associate professor of law
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Tuesday, November 18,1980
'Tween classes
Marxist literature and discussion, 11:30 a.m. to
1:30 p.m., SUB main concourse.
Dr. Ledsome speaks on medical practise vs. research, noon, IRC 1.
Seminar on working in third world countries,
noon, International House upper lounge.
Singing, prayer and fellowship meeting, noon,
SUB 211.
Three movies about rural life in Indonesia and
Thailand, noon, Buch. 106.
Russian conversation practise, noon, Buch.
Presentation on Peru, noon, Buch. 218.
General meeting, noon, SUB 130.
Dinner and discussion on sexuality with Dr. Percival Smith of student health services, 6 p.m.
Lutheran Campus Centre.
Gonzalo Martin, CUSO field representative for
Latin America, will discuss problems in Latin
American development, 7:30 p.m., International
House upper lounge.
General meeting, noon, SUB 111.
Profaeaor J.I. Richardson speaka on religion and
social change: initiator and conservator, noon.
International House upper lounge.
General meeting with elections and film, noon, SUB
General meeting, noon, SUB 212.
B.C. PIRG organizing group meets for final plans
on Ralph Nader's Friday speech, noon, SUB 113.
Slide-tape show on women and pornography
presented by Women in Focus, for women studies students and other interested people, noon,
Scarfe 201.
Quaker worship, noon, SUB 117.
Liquidity trap, staff, students snd faculty welcome, 8 p.m., SUB 211.
Dr. Elliot Weisberger gives seminar on A Canadian Composer and World Music, International
House upper lounge.
Film on Footprints of the Buddha, noon, SUB
Panel discussion for women interested in entering law, noon to 2 p.m.. Law 169.
General meeting, noon. International House
Public meeting, noon, SUB 117.
Special activities meeting, noon, Buch. 205.
Spanish conversational evening, 7:30 p.m.. International House.
Or. M. D. Wallace speaks on the armaments
burden in the third world, noon. International
House upper lounge.
Special forum entitled We are the Party of the
Russian   Revolution.   Discussion   will   follow,
noon, SUB 212.
General   meeting,   noon.   International   House
Colin Gabelmann, NDP MLA for North Island,
speaks on provincial politics, noon, SUB 211.
Science cooler, 4 to 8 p.m., SUB 207/209.
Final date for registering for ski trip to Mt.
Bachelor, Oregon.
Poetry reading by Saskatchewan's Anne Szu-
migalsk, sponsored by the league of Canadian
Poets, 8 p.m., Buch. penthouse.
Sign now for
thrilling trip
You enter into the clean, fresh air
environment. You lay down and inhale the fresh white powder. Suddenly everything becomes mellow
and so much clearer as the white
powder fills your nostrils. No, this is
not a hot flash about cocaine it is
about skiing so get your mind out
of the gutter.
The UBC ski club is planning a ski
trip to Mount Bachelor (around the)
Bend Oregon from Dec. 7 to Jan. 2.
All students and friends are
welcome for the token payment of
$225 Canadian. The final date for
registration is Friday.
You lay back on the fresh green
lawn. You look around and you see
these teeny little fungi and you start
to munch . . .
The question
There are an infinite number of
fundamental questions which we
must all realize the answers to.
Among these, What is the meaning
of life? What is true happiness? and
Hot flashes
Where is the washroom? There are
also other questions.
NOP MLA for North Island, Colin
Gableman will be speaking on B.C.
provincial politics at noon Friday in
SUB 211. Gableman is the NDP
party whip and the housing critic.
He will answer your questions on
politics. But who will answer the
most important question of them
all? Where is the washroom?
Speech help
Don't let continual slips of the
tongue stop you from expressing
The speech pathology department in the new acute care unit of
the Health Sciences Centre hospital
is establishing a group program for
control of stammering or stuttering.
The program has been proven to
be helpful for many people, enabling them to stop their stubborn
tongue from straying.
Referrals, which must be made
by your physician, will be accepted
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Student Representatives to serve on the Board of
Governors and the Senate.
This notice is a call for nominations for full-time students to run for
election for the following positions: —
SENATE - SEVENTEEN students (five
at-large and one from each faculty)
Nomination forms giving full details of the requirements of nominations are available in the Registrar's Office, the A.M.S. Office (Room
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Societies and the Graduate Student Association.
Nominations must ba in the hands of the Registrar no later
than 4:00p.m. on Friday, December 19, 1980.
22\ 1 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, or
phone 228-7269.
A memorial service for Susan
Wood, late assistant professor
of English at UBC, will take place at
4 p.m. Friday.
All friends and former students
are invited to the service, which will
take place at the Chapel of Epiphany, 6050 Chancellor Boulevard,
near the law school.
Rhky Hying
Flying journalists anywhere is
never advisable, but flying them
over ice flows to view slaughtered
seals is particularly dangerous.
Just ask Brian Davies, director of
the international fund for animal
welfare, who performed just such a
feat and was fined $1,000 and given
three years probation from the ice
fields off Newfoundland for his efforts.
Davies will speak to any students
interested in the seal hunt or other
related topics at noon Wednesday
in SUB 115.
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Page 7
Pill, IUD users should be aware of health risks
Women who use the Pill or an intrauterine device (IUD) have the
safest means of birth control available. Right?
Wrong. Many short- and long-
term health hazards are associated
with these two methods and women
should be aware of the risks, members of the Vancouver women's
health collective warned Friday.
Women are now learning that besides granting sexual freedom, certain means of birth control can
cause needless and serious harm to
their bodies and alternative methods should be examined.
"Compared to medieval woman,
we are the ignorant and powerless
ones," Lorraine Krakow told 65
women in SUB 130. "Contraception is now a $3 billion world-wide
business. It is no longer in our
"We, as women, use it. But we
don't make it, we are kept largely
ignorant of the facts surrounding it,
we must go to the largely male medical establishment and pay a fee to
get it."
Health collective member Lorna
Zaback outlined the alarming risks
linked with use of oral contraceptives based on results of studies in
the U.S. and Britain:
• women who are on the Pill develop blood clots four to 11 times as
often as women who are not;
• Pill users run three to five
times more risk of heart attack than
other women;
• estrogen, a female sex hormone found in synthetic form in the
Pill, is linked with hardening of the
arteries and heart disease;
• hemorrhage   of  the   brain's
blood vessels (a stroke) is six times
more likely in a Pill user; as Zaback
"Strokes can be crippling, paralyzing or cause death. The frightening thing about Pill-related strokes
is that in about one-quarter of the
cases there is apparently no warning."
She added: "It is clear that the
women of the world have become
the main guinea pigs in Pill research."
Long term use of the Pill for
women with benign breast disease
may lead to cancer, said Zaback.
Some Pill users develop a skin cancer called malignant melanoma,
usually associated with overexposure to the sun, she added.
"The period of incubation of a
cancer induced by a chemical carcinogen may be as long as 25 years.
The real truth about the Pill and
cancer may not hit us for some
The Pill also increases the risk of
hepatitis, urinary tract infections,
gall bladder disease and has been
implicated in thyroid problems, she
In addition, a fetus conceived
while the mother is on ihe Pill or
within six months of stopping may
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possibly develop a birth defect, said
Women using an IUD may consider themselves more fortunate,
but they suffer other problems, said
Beth Hutchinson. They risk pelvic
infection and ectopic pregnancy, in
which a fertilized egg is implanted
somewhere other than the uterus,
usually the Fallopian tubes.
Septic, or infected abortion is another hazard, said Hutchinson. The
addition of copper in IUDs increases risk of perforation of the
uterus and releases copper1 into the
body constantly, she added.
"Avoid the IUD and look for
something safer," she cautioned.
The health collective members
advocated use of the diaphragm,
which they say most women have
disdained because it is "messy" and
fitting is often difficult and inconvenient. They recommended that
women consider use of a cervical
cap, increase their fertility awareness, or use the combined foam and
condom method of birth control.
Women must learn more about
dangers to their health and take
control of their own bodies, said
"It is in the interests of the drug
companies   who   stand   to   make
mind-boggling profits from drug
sales and some doctors who would
rather quickly write a prescription
than spend hours fitting a diaphragm to keep us so ill-informed."
For more information on birth
control hazards and fitting of a diaphragm, call the Vancouver women's health collective, 1501 W.
Broadway, at 736-6696.
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Tuesday, November 18,1980
Vengeful 'Birds
blast champions
The UBC Thunderbirds hockey
team got their revenge defeating last
year's national collegiate hockey
champion University of Alberta
Golden Bears in both games played
at the Thunderbird Winter Sports
complex this weekend.
The 'Birds, who lost both games
in Edmonton the previous weekend, downed the Bears 6-2 on Saturday evening, and on Sunday in a
more closely played game, the
'Birds won by a score of 3-1.
Currently the CWUAA has a
four way tie for first place with
UBC, Alberta, Calgary and Saskatchewan all with two wins and two
UBC was first to score on a power
play goal from Dino Sita.
Late in the first period, and for
the second time this year, Ted Cotter of UBC had a goal disallowed
because his stick had an illegal
The first goal in the second period came with 6:24 remaining
when Jim Lomas scored for Alberta. UBC took the lead when
Barry Zanier on a breakaway released a fast wrist shot that eluded
U of A goalie Denis Potvin. A minute later, UBC's Jim McLaughlin
picked up a rebound in front of the
U of A goal and slid it under Potvin.
The Bears came out skating at the
start of the third period and Joel El
liott put the puck past Paterson
within the first minute of play.
UBC came right back with Rob
Jones getting hi:> second goal of the
evening by deflecting Dino Sita's
shot from the point into the upper
corner of the net.
Shortly afterward UBC's fifth
goal came when Bill Holowaty carried the puck into Bear territory,
circled around the net and set up
defenceman Rob Trenamen in the
slot. Trenamen moved in from the
point and let loose a slapshot that
blew by Potvin. Rob Jones finished
off the scoring with a snap shot
from the slot that sailed up high into the net.
On Sunday evening the 'Birds repeated their performance of Saturday night, beating the Bears 3-1. In
the first period both teams had
trouble getting organized, but UBC
opened up first when Jim McLaughlin picked up a rebound and
lifted it high into the net.
Ace Brimacombe scored U of A's
only goal after a fight for the puck
in front of the UBC goal early in the
second period. 'Bird Ted Cotter
scored the eventual winning goal
when he sprinted down the left wing
and unleashed a blistering drive that
eluded U of A goalie Terry Clark.
Holowaty scored the final goal into
an empty net with one second left.
This Friday the 'Birds will fly to
Calgary to take on the University of
Calgary Dinosaurs in two games
this weekend.
The Thunderbird swim team was
edged 60-52 by swimmers from the
University of Puget Sound in a dual
meet Saturday at the Aquatic Centre.
Less than a second made the difference between a win and a loss for
the 'Birds. The outcome of the meet
depended on the final relay and
UPS squeezed by UBC to gain
seven points and victory.
The meet had 13 swimming and
diving events. 'Bird divers won both
the one and three metre events.
First year diver Calvin Church was
outstanding for UBC.
'Bird Shaune Stoddard took the
200 metre breaststroke while teammate Bruce Ripley won the 50 metre
freestyle. The medley relay was
taken by the Thunderbird team of
Neil Carley, Shaune Stoddard,
Mike Blondall and Bruce
Nicholson. Carley also met the national team standard in the 200
metre backstroke.
After picking up a win against
Capilano College on Friday,  the
men's   junior   varsity   basketball
Braves lost to Malaspina College
69-62 Saturday.
*    *    *
The Aquasoc underwater hockey
team defeated the Vanquatics 9-5 at
the Aquatic Centre Wednesday
night. The win was particularly
significant as it was the first time
Aquasoc has won a game against
the Vanquatics.
The forechecking and the play-
making around the Vanquatics goal
by Aquasoc's Dennis Lassuy, a left
half-back, and centre Janet Bennie
were two key elements in Aquasoc's
success. Goalie Jim Jones, following a classical tactic of rushing deep
into the other team's territory, set
up several goals. He also scored on
two such rushes.
»    «    *
The rugby Thunderbirds lost to
the Ex-Brits on Saturday in Clinton
by a 10-6 scon:.
— MU Cheng photo
LOCH NESS MONSTER seen at at weekend swim meet re-submerges and leaves modern world midst pomp and
ceremony after learning of Reagan's election to U.S. presidency. "I prefer the Mesozoic era to Reagan's antediluvian outlook," said the politically prescient pleiosaur, as it bid the Aquatic centre adieu. Next apperance of legendary beast is scheduled for Nov. 22 1982 when ex-prez Richard M. Nixon will use Nessie as key aide in political
'Bird shooting major problem
SFU pins UBC
Thunderbird wrestlers placed second in the UBC Invitational held this
weekend over at the Osborne complex.
The Burnaby Mountain Wrestling Club, alias SFU with some ineligible
players, placed first with 75 points, well out in front of any competition.
UBC came second with 39'/i points ahead of teams from Pacific Lutheran
University and the Universities of Western Washington, Oregon and Calgary.
UBC medical student Marvin Gleave was voted most outstanding
wrestler in the tournament after taking the 142-pound class. Peter Tan of
UBC came second in the 109-pound class, while Wayne Yeastings, Rob
Jones and Avtar Dhillan all picked up third-place finishes in their respective categories for UBC.
Two members of the UBC Old Boys ended up in first place, with George
Richey taking the 220 and John Davidson the 118.
The 'Birds were missing one of their top wrestlers, Lee Blanchard, who
was in Toronto competing for a spot on the Canadian team. Blanchard did
well and as a result travels to New Zealand in the first week of January to
compete for Canada.
Thunderbird coach Craig Delahunt was pleased with the performance of
his young team. He did admit that his team showed a lack of depth, but felt
they had done well, considering that this year is a "building year."
Delahunt's wrestlers travel to Calgary on Saturday to compete in the
Calgary Olympic Tournament.
('Bird droppif^)
The Thunderbird hoopsters travelled to Victoria on
the weekend and their play was "unpredictable", according to head basketball coach Peter Mullins.
The 'Birdmen were in Victoria to compete in the
University of Victoria's Tip-Off Tournament.
UBC lost in the consolation final of the tournament
when they were trimmed by the Simon Fraser Clansmen 62-60.
UBC's Kim O'Leary was the game's leading scorer
with 36 points. Mullins said O'Leary "played an
outstanding game of basketball." O'Leary was also
named to the tournament all-star team.
Mullins said UBC played a strong first half and led
44-38 at half time but could not carry this over into the
second half.
Mullins said this has been a problem of the 'Birds
throughout the pre-season. The 'Birdmen either play a
strong first half and a weak second or a weak first half
and a strong second one.
According to Mullins the game the 'Birdmen played
against Scorpions, of the Senior A league, Friday night
is a good example of UBC's inconsistent play. He said
the defence played well at times but that offensively
they did not play well.
The 'Birdmen shoot a miserable 38 per cent from the
floor. The Scorpions, who are composed of former
UVic and UBC players, went on to defeat UVic 91-70
in the tournament final.
The 'Birds' centre, Bob Forsyth, was the leading
scorer with 21 points. Mullins said lack of height was
again a factor in the outcome of the games even
though he says it should not be. He said if the 'Birds
begin shooting with a little more accuracy any height
disadvantage the 'Birdmen might have will be nullified.
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