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Array BoG hits students in letter mess
BY JULIE WHEELWRIGHT
Outraged board of governors members
slammed student board representatives Tuesday for demanding a public hearing on the
proposed research park at UBC.
Board members thoroughly reprimanded
students Bruce Armstrong and Glenn Wong
after the board obtained a copy of a letter
Armstrong wrote to the Universities Council
of B.C.
After requesting a public hearing into
UBC's proposed 58-acre research park, Armstrong signed "board of governors" after his
name. (He wrote the letter after the student
representative assembly unanimously passed
a motion Sept. 19 to hold a public hearing.)
But Wong said other board members were
upset that Armstrong signed the letter as a
board representative. Wong said he wrote a
similar letter but signed it as secretary-
treasurer of the Alma Mater Society.
"They (the board members) thought that
Bruce was trying to pawn off his opinion of
the discovery park as that of the board of
governors," said Wong.
Armstrong said certain members of the
board felt that since he had vocally opposed
the research park and "couldn't get my own
way with them I'd go over their heads."
But Wong said by signing the letter as a
board member Armstrong had
misrepresented the SRA.
"I don't want to get nailed on this one. I
don't want the secretary-treasurer to get
dragged into this," he said.
Wong said he is also worried that this incident might hurt student representation on the
board.
"I don't want any action of any SRA
member or any student representative to the
board to in any way jeopardize the effectiveness of presenting the student
viewpoint," he said.
AMS external affairs officer Valgeet Johl
also said she is concerned about the incident.
"In this case we're going to be left almost
defenceless. I think that this only adds fuel to
the fire and this is the long term prospect that
we're looking at," said Johl.
Armstrong recieved a letter Wednesday
from the council stating that no public hearings will be held on the research park.
Johl said the only hope for student input
on the issue now can come from the Students
Concerns Day to be held later this month.
"But given the fact that it's gone so far we
can only hope that it does have some impact.
But at this stage that's doubtful," she said.
"But Armstrong said: "The fact that the
board didn't take any action indicates that
they don't feel strongly enough to take any
stance about student representation on the
board."
Wong said UBC administration president
Doug Kenny was angered by a passage in
Armstrong's letter that said the public and
the university community were not consulted
about the research park.
"He called it an outright falsehood."
But the SRA defeated a motion calling for
AMS president Brian Short to write a letter
to the council and the board clarifying that
the demand for public hearings was a request
from the AMS, not a request from the board
as Armstrong indicated in his letter.
THE UBYSSEYli
ank interest
Vol. LXII, No. 11
Vancouver, B.C. Thursday, October 4,1979
>48    228-2301
comes cheap
— kevin finnegan photo
"COME HERE WATSON, I need you," says miniature Alexander Graham    away to demonstrate backstroke by telephone, as assistant tried furiously
Bell to miniscule assistant in historical re-enactment inside UBC aquatic     to place long-distance call to Walter Safety, who was finally reached
centre yesterday. Historical drama lacked authenticity, but was unique in     lounging in an Octopus's garden in the shade,
inventive use of props. Performance ended abruptly as Bell was called
'False diagnosis used in torturing dissidents'
By GERRE GALVIN
Soviet Union officials use torture
and false diagnosis of "sluggish
schizophrenia" and "paranoid development of personality" to imprison political dissidents indefinitely, an ex-political prisoner said
Tuesday.
"The psychiatric hospitals are a
kind of prison with barbed wire and
give treatment of a medical and
prison type," Vladimir Bukovsky
told 400 students in SUB
auditorium.
"One form of treatment, the roll-
up, was just torture and nothing
else," he said. "A patient was rolled tightly in bandages by the nurse
which produced terrible pain and
sometimes death."
Bukovsky, who as a political prisoner spent 11 years in Soviet labor
camps, prisons and special psychiatric hospitals, said it is ironic that
only government psychiatrists can
detect "sluggish schizophrenia" because patients show no outward
signs of mental illness. State officials diagnose people as paranoid
when their political views conflict
with those of the USSR, he said.
"Totalitarianism can only exist
by mutual involvement in the crime,
so people close to the power must
have courage to stand up and say
what they think."
Bukovsky said at first a moral
and intellectual movement formed
against the government but gradually people of different nationalities
joined the dissent.
"In camps and prisons where we
served together we became aware of
other problems in the country.
"The main objectives are to try
to provide free choice and be able to
tell our children we have done whatever we could," he said.
Bukovsky said the recent development of the workers' movement in the last 10 years surprised
most people in the West.
"In fact the workers are the most
suppressed part of the population.
Workers can't strike and an attempt
to strike results in imprisonment for
up to three years."
Bukovsky said   Soviet   workers
will  become a strong and   "very
dangerous" force in the next
decade.
"Pressure from inside and outside is needed to achieve changes,"
he said. "I wouldn't be myself free
now without many pressures and
supports like Amnesty International."
He said western nations should
exert more pressure on the Soviet
Union to release political prisoners
and be less willing to compromise
with Soviet demands.
"The Soviets view compromise as
a weakness and push their demands
farther which could result in a
world catastrophe."
Bukovsky said consistent pressure from many groups has caused
slow but significant changes in the
Soviet Union.
"The population is still frightened so the force is not sufficient
enough to create fast changes."
By KEVIN FINNEGAN
The Alma Mater Society will continue its day to day business wifh
the Bank of Montreal and face annual service charges of more than
$2,000, despite the bank's investments in South Africa.
The student representative
assembly voted after an hour and a
half of heated debate late last night
to keep accounts in the SUB branch
of the bank.
But the AMS short term deposits,
which were moved to Vancouver
City Savings Credit Union two
years ago to protest the bank's involvement in apartheid South
Africa will remain at the credit
union.
The assembly defeated a motion
to withdraw all business from the
bank by Nov. 1 after science
representative Craig Brooks said it
would cost $16,500 in armored car
and other fees to deal fully with
another institution.
"We'll still have the impact on
the bank and we'll still be living up
to our principles," said external affairs officer Valgeet Johl.
The bank manager threatened the
AMS with service charges if the
short term deposits were not returned, saying the bank was losing
money on AMS business.
Another motion, asking the
board of governors to renegotiate
the bank's lease and have another
financial institution take over the
SUB space was tabled.
SRA member Calvin Sandborn
told the assembly AMS morality
was worth the $16,500.
"That's 75 cents for each student
on campus. It is essential to
remember the Bank of Montreal is
putting the squeeze on us," he said.
"Let's say to the Bank of Montreal: 'Let's renegotiate the lease'
and get another institution on campus."
But student board member Bruce
Armstrong said economics were
more important.
UBC prof's death handcuffs police
A short, poetic memorial service was held Wednesday in tribute to Betty Belshaw, 58, former UBC English professor whose body was discovered recently in
Switzerland.
About 400 friends, colleagues and students gathered
in Frederic Wood Theatre to hear memorial readings
for the wife of UBC anthropology professor Cyril Belshaw. Her death was formally declared after a yearlong disappearance.
Five UBC English professors and a former student
of Belshaw gave poetry readings in memory of the New
Zealand-born woman. Three bouquets of flowers
decked the stage and Belshaw's husband and family sat
quietly in front seats.
Mrs. Belshaw's body, discovered in March by Swiss
road workers, was identified early this week.
Swiss police reports said the body, which was found
with head and legs encased in plastic, was in an advanced state of decomposition.
And police in the Swiss town of Lausanne said Wednesday they are dealing with the case as a suspected
murder, although no suspects have yet been named.
The Belshaws had been on a leave of absence in
Europe for the 1978-79 academic year when Belshaw
ported his wife's disappearance from a Paris metro
station in January, 1979.
Police are still baffled as to how Mrs. Belshaw came
to be found near the Swiss ski town of Leysin after disappearing in Paris. Her body was discovered only 60
kilometres from an apartment leased for a year by the
Belshaws.
Mrs. Belshaw had been an instructor at UBC since
1966, and in 1974 won one of the university's Master
Teacher Award certificates. Page 2
THE    UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 4, 1979
PetroCanada sale hit
By STEVE REILLY
A federal NDP government
would buy or nationalize an existing
chain of retail gas outlets to protect
the interests of Canadian consumers, the defeated Vancouver Centre NDP candidate said Wednesday.
JOHNSON . . . does PetroCancan
"PetroCanada should be expanded to the retail level, for profits
from retail outlets would be plowed
back into Canada. Without PetroCan, we are at the mercy of the
multinational oil corporations,"
said Ron Johnson.
He told 25 people in SUB that
since PetroCan's formation in
1974, when the NDP held the balance of power in parliament, assets
have increased from $500 million to
$3.5 billion.
"It has created jobs for Canadians, and it has made a profit in
every year of its existence."
Johnson said Joe Clark's decision to sell the national oil company
was "totally irresponsible."
He claimed PetroCan helps protect Canada from the declining ex
ploration rate of the multinational
oil corporations. Without
PetroCan's energy reserve reports,
the National Energy Board will be
forced to rely on unreliable data
from multinationals, he said.
"PetroCan has been a real success story for Canada, and selling it
would be like the dumping of the
Avro Arrow, a product of crazy
Conservative reasoning."
The new Tory government's
handling of the PetroCan situation
typifies the party's lack of concrete
policies, said Johnson.
"Their latest proposal has them
selling part of PetroCan which realizes a profit and maintaining the
tax draining exploration end.
"But the Liberals are in a dicey
position, for if they defeated the
Tories in a vote (over PetroCan),
they would be forced into an election with Trudeau at the head."
Johnson said he believes the Liberals will back down on the PetroCan issue.
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LATE PAYMENT OF FEES
A late payment fee of $35.00 additional to all other fees will be assessed if payment of the first instalment is not made on or before
September 21. Refund of this fee will be considered only on the basis
of a medical certificate covering illness or on evidence of domestic
affliction. If fees are not paid in full by October 5, 1979, registration
will be cancelled and the student concerned excluded from classes.
If a student whose registration has been cancelled for non-payment
of fees applies for reinstatement and the application is approved by
the Registrar, the student will be required to pay a reinstatement fee
of $35.00, the late fee of $35.00, and all other outstanding fees before
being permitted to resume classes.
Find out how UBC works . . .
and how to make it work for you.
FROSH
RETREAT
A CONFERENCE WEEKEND
FOR FIRST YEAR STUDENTS
AT
CAMP ELPHINSTONE
OCTOBER 12-14
• All first year students are welcome to attend. Registration
is limited.
• Meet faculty, staff and alma mater society representatives
during the informal discussion and seminar program . . .
and enjoy the convivial atmosphere of the Sunshine Coast.
• A modest fee of $10 per student covers transportation on
land and water,  camp food and accommodation.  (Bus
leaves campus at 5:45 pm Friday)
• To register call or drop into the alumni office, Cecil Green
Park, 6251 Cecil Green Park Road, (or Campus Mail),
228-3313, (8:30 am to 4:30 pm)
A Student Affairs Program
of the UBC Alumni Association
A.M.S.
WOMEN'S
COMMITTEE
There are a wide variety of sub-committee's that need
extra bodies to get their work done. If you're interested
in ... .
* suggesting or organizing WORKSHOPS
* maintenance and expansion of the Centre's LIBRARY
* making a small room in SUB a really comfortable
DROP-IN CENTRE.
* working on the 3rd annual WOMEN'S WEEK
* organizing big speakers like KAREN DeCROW and
KATE MILLET
* joining the COALITION for a SAFE CAMPUS
... or any one of a number of working groups then
come to the Women's Centre (just inside the north door
of SUB) and put your name on the sign up sheet on the
far wall. All women are encouraged to become involved.
WOMEN'S
SELF DEFENSE
an introductory demonstration
by Alice McPherson
of Wen-do, Women's Self Defense
WEDS. OCT. 10th   12:30 SUB 130
* A 6 week course will follow, starting Weds. Oct. 31st.
Further Info, may be obtained at the Women's Centre or
on Oct. 10th. Thursday, October 4,1979
THE    UBYSSEY
Page 3
'U.S. battles natives for resources'
By GLEN SANFORD
The recent U.S. government "attacks" on native Indians are directly related to nuclear power, American Indian Movement leader John
Trudell said Thursday.
He said government pressure and
injustice against Indians is being used to gain control of natural
resources, and uranium is the rea
son for the current attack on Indians.
"The United States wants to advance nuclear power and whoever
controls uranium controls the lives
of people of the future," he told 50
people in Law 178. "There's
uranium on our reservations, and
the United States government wants
it."
But he said the advancement of
nuclear power is not a threat to Indians alone.
"If the people are to survive, the
people must learn to live in harmony with the earth. Nuclear power
is the ultimate pollution."
Trudell said world governments
are run by one giant corporate government, which is controlling peo
ple by keeping them divided.
"They lay the racist trip on us,
they lay the class trips, they lay the
sex trips, they lay the age trips.
They make every separation possible."
Trudell added that Indians have
been" under continuous attack
"since the arrival of Columbus."
"Everybody  started   to   believe
DRUG CRAZED STUDENT writhes in ecstacy as Red Cross technician
Marilyn Mills administers weekly fix of morphine, heroin, plasticine and
airplane glue. After fix, student volunteer gladly gave blood. All volunteers
— stuart dee photo
for 'the treatment' can line up for their fix in SUB 207 from 10 a.m. to 4
p.m. Thursday and Friday. For food and drink junkies, the Red Cross is serving a tasteful plate of cookie and juice hors d'oeuvres.
Cops admit breaking into parked cars
Traffic patrol officers can choose
to break into any vehicle any time
on campus to reclaim a parking
sticker, UBC's traffic office and
parking supervisor said Wednesday.
Drake gmith said break-ins such
as the witnessed Sept. 20 incident
involving a car parked outside the
McMillan building are, "regular
but very seldom."
He said UBC traffic officers are
authorized to break into cars of
students attempting to use expired
stickers in order to scrape the
stickers off.
"These stickers are the property
of UBC," said Smith.
But the right to remove stickers,
as outlined in UBC's parking
regulations, does not explicitly give
the campus patrol the right to break
into vehicles.
It states: "If (the sticker has
been) removed from the visor of the
vehicle, or if the sticker is not properly affixed thereto, or if the permit
is out of date, such sticker or permit
may be reclaimed by members of
the university patrol."
Valgeet Johl, Alma Mater Society external affairs officer, said the
need to reclaim stickers should not
give the patrol the right to break into locked vehicles using "unorthodox" methods.
"I can see a reason for concern.
They (the patrol) could have always
left some sort of notice," she said.
But Smith said a recent investigation into the Sept. 20 break-in out
lined in two letters to The Ubyssey
Tuesday revealed that the officer
conducting that break-in was within
his jurisdiction.
A spokesman for the UBC legal
clinic, however, said the powers of
the patrolman were unclear and
that his actions were possibly illegal .
The spokesman, who declined to
be identified, said the only way to
fight the break-ins would be to ask
the B.C. Supreme Court for a civil
injunction.
Officials dismiss 'racist' documentary
OTTAWA (CUP) — Claims by the public
affairs program W5 that foreign students are
crowding Canadians out of important university programs are "nonsense," according to
government officials and education experts.
And their comments about the controversial report on foreign students, aired by CTV
Sunday, ranged from calling it "biased" to a
"thinly-veiled racist attack."
W5, in the report titled The Campus
Giveaway, claimed that international
students are forcing thousands of Canadian
students out of post-secondary education
programs such as engineering and medicine,
and are costing Canadians SI billion.
But William Winegard, chairman of the
Ontario Council on University Affairs,
said it is "nonsense" to claim Canadian
students don't have first chance at the best
courses.
And Morna Ballantyne, executive secretary
of the National Union of Students, says
foreign students account for only 5.3 per cent
of the total university population in Canada
and that many universities have restrictions
on the number of foreign students in certain
programs.
Carolyn Barrett, an Ontario university affairs officer in the colleges and universities
ministry said foreign students account for
about five per cent of Ontario's university
population and that there are virtually no
foreign students enrolled in medicine except
those sponsored by the Canadian International Development Agency. She said the
ministry was concerned about the impression
left by the W5 program.
"People tend to confuse landed immigrants
and   even   Canadian-born   students   with
foreign students just because they don't have
an anglophone face."
(The Ubyssey reported Friday that UBC
academics rejected the program's claim that
foreign students were overrunning Canadian
universities. While the program stated that 10
per cent of all B.C. university students were
foreign, figures released by UBC show that
only one per cent of undergraduate students
are from outside Canada.)
The program stated that most foreign
students come to Canada from southeast
Asia.
NUS researcher Jeff Parr said the program
had manipulated statistics and ignored other
relevant ones, leaving international students
the "scapegoats" for problems in the education system. Parr said it came across as a
"thinly-veiled racist attack on international
students."
that the war against us was over a
century ago, but it's not. It's just
changed forms, from genocide to
assimilation. The new bullet is alcohol, discrimination, and racist
education."
The United States government
has always made a policy of "killing
the Indian women and children,"
he said.
"We understand that when they
sterilize 30,000 women, this is to cut
off our voice for tomorrow."
Trudell said American health
units have sterilized Indian women
without their consent when they require other operations.
He said he moved to Canada one
month ago, because he claims life in
the United States is not safe. He is
currently seeking political asylum in
Canada.
Trudell said he was evicted from
his Nebraska reservation when he
discharged a firearm in the presence
of the owner of a trading post during an argument. He was later put
in prison for 60 days for
"swearing" in court.
"I swore in the federal buildings,
so they put me in jail," he said. "I
spent most, of my time in a maximum security hospital although
there was nothing wrong with me."
He said during that time he met
another inmate who cautioned him
against vocal dissent.
"He said that if I was smart I
would shut my mouth or leave the
U.S. He said that they'll do anything to make you react violently.
They'll kill your family, they'll take
your children away — anything to
make you react."
Trudell said he later found these
words to be prophetic. On Feb. 11,
1979 he became the first man to
publicly burn the American flag in
Washington, D.C., and not be ar'
rested. (This occurred during a
demonstration against government
treatment of Indians.)
"Thirteen hours later a fire in my
father-in-law's house killed five
members of my family, including
my pregnant wife," he said.
Trudell said cause of the fire is
still unknown.
Beach plan
sidelined
UBC's board of governors voted
Wednesday not to endorse Swan
Wooster's $12 million plan to control erosion of the Point Grey cliffs.
Instead board member Stan
Weston, a soils expert and environmentalist, was appointed to
investigate Wooster Engineering's
'master plan' and get public input
on the erosion problem. (Wooster's
plan involves 3.8 miles of remedial
work, including a cobblestone berm
or breakwater built along the base
of the most eroded cliff.)
The board asked Weston to
prepare a written report, including,
a public hearings timetable and
budget, within 60 days. Public
meetings will be held to consult the
users of Wreck Beach, UBC faculty
and students, the director of the
museum of anthropology and president of the UBC alumni association.
In other board business,
members voted to raise the acceptance fee of UBC law school applicants from $50 to $100. Applicants for the 1980-81 winter session will be asked to pay $100
within two weeks of their acceptance. Page 4
THE    UBYSSEY
Thursday, October4, 1979
SRA sits on
financial fence
You've got to wonder after a while what it takes to sit around
that silly round table upstairs in SUB.
For an hour and a half last night, the student representative
assembly struggled uphill towards decency.
Then they collectively ran off a cliff.
For an hour and a half, SRA members put their personal vendettas aside and argued about money and morality. It was an impressive debate on a damn difficult question — whether the AMS
could afford the $16,000 it would cost to tell the Bank of Montreal
to fuck off.
On one hand, the SRA could pull all its accounts from the bank
in an expanded protest over continued involvement in the apar-
thied economy of South Africa. On the other, it would cost the
financially strapped society half of the fee increase it was granted
last year.
In the end, concern about the budget overrode anger about the
repression by one vote.
That's when the roof fell in. Out came the personalities again.
Three members who had argued most vehemently for total
withdrawal suddenly became childish. They began to pout. They
brought the whole meeting to a halt for 45 minutes and argued
about procedural matters because they were upset over the decision. Arlene Francis, Bob Staley and Calvin Sandborn, who
minutes earlier had been eloquent and forceful in arguing their
point, decided they wouldn't let the game continue if they weren't
going to be at bat. Before taking their ball and going home, they
argued with the ump for three quarters of an hour.
For a short time last night, SRA demonstrated what it is capable
of. But as inevitably happens at virtually every meeting, it was student politicians_scoring silliness points off other student politicians
too immature to refuse the bait.
The student board of governors members were also declawed in
the manner only a board of businessmen can accomplish.
They can hardly tolerate student members in the first place,
grabbing the lion's share of power. But when the students "step
out of line," they are severely attacked and left to lick their wounds
in their own corner.
It ain't exactly the cat's meow.
THE UBYSSEY
October 4, 1979
Published Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays throughout the
university year by the Alma Mater Society of the University of
B.C. Editorial opinions are those of the staff and not of the
AMS or the university administration. Member, Canadian
University Press. The Ubyssey publishes Page Friday, a weekly commentary and review. The Ubyssey's editorial offices is
in room 241K of the Student Union Building. Editorial departments, 228-2301; Advertising, 228-3977.
Co-Editors: Heather Conn and Tom Hawthorn
"Aw shit, it's another fuckin' punker issue," spewed Cuss Burnout. "I almost puked after I saw the
last one." "You'd puke to anything, you shithead," screamed Slum Rawporn as he smashed a typewriter over Toad Barktongue's head. "You never had any brains, and now they're spread over the
fuckin' desk." Keeping Fingerin just looked on coolly, casually twiddling his foreskin between his fetid
fingers. Hairy Gtansin looked Sweet Pee over and decided he wasn't worth the piss he was named for
"You're no hot shit yourself," spat Give Feeltight. "I've seen better looking syphilis scabs." Gland
Standfor sat dejectedly in the corner because no one would physically abuse him, then turned down an
offer from Leather Cant for a two-year contract. "Who's the motherfucker that stole my chains?"
sprayed Spew Highly in a fit of rage. "If it was you. Gory Fuckfeel, I'll spread your ass from here to
TRIUMF." Petter Meanass stuck a Pointed Stick into Jewel Feelallright and the whole crew came to a
dead end. Whose it is, we're not sure.
Letters
PetroCanada can just like
other crown corporations
I would like to comment on the
enlightened attack on PetroCanada
made by B. Bertram (commerce) in
last Friday's edition. I couldn't believe it! It was right out of the nineteenth century.
First, Bertram apparently sees
anyone who supports PetroCan as
being socialist, not a very perceptive
analysis. Are most of the Canadian
people (on the basis of recent polls)
socialists? If so, it's news to the
NDP. The editorial writers of several major Canadian dailies can
hardly be described as pinkos —
and yet they show a general consensus in favor of retaining PetroCan.
Many of their arguments are similar
to those raised in the Perspectives
article.
Second, this person tells us what
the functions of government must
be. The kind of self-righteous dogmatism inherent in this view completely ignores the Canadian fact. It
is a fact that crown corporations
have played a crucial role in Canada's social, economic and political
history.
One can think of numerous examples: CNR, B.C. Rail, Air
Canada, CBC, NFB, CMHC, ferry
companies, hydro companies and
telephone systems etc. Many of
these were established or nationalized by right-wing governments (in-
mission they have removed $100
million from the economy with the
devastating results of massive stagnation and high unemployment
with resulting emigration of people.
Ironically, industries are leaving the
province because of the economic
situation.
Third, Bertram says that tax
dollars shouldn't go into ventures
like PetroCan. What about the fact
that the taxpayer is financing
the entire Arctic drilling escapades
of Dome Petroleum through super-
depreciation and other tax breaks?
The massive tax benefits and direct
support given (by the Liberals and
continued by the Tories) to the oil
companies are nothing short of
scandalous. It is also a fact that the
Tories are committed to selling profitable portions of PetroCan. In
other words we have the absurd situation where we will still be paying
but no longer sharing in the returns.
Fourth, I find the statements
about the extent of PetroCan's involvement is the Sable Island finds
to be completely contradictory. Is
Bertram arguing that the PetroCan
share should be higher?
I don't see the relevance of the
comments on nationally-owned oil
companies throughout the world.
The point is that in many ways Canada is like an underdeveloped coun-
pettO'Con
eluding Tories and Socreds) — so
the question of ideology is largely
irrelevant. Most of these endeavors
were necessary to provide amenities
that the businessman couldn't 01
wouldn't provide. They are a vital
force in our lives. The narrow view
of laissez-faire government is totally
wrong in a Canadian perspective.
The consequences of implementing the system allocated by Bertram
can be seen in the tragic experiment
in Manitoba. There the Tories have
decided to turn the economy over to
the private sector. By their own ad-
try. Yes we have a high standard of
living. But how much of our economy (particularly energy) actually
belongs to us — precious little! This
is precisely why we need a crown
corporation like PetroCan to help
direct us towards true energy self-
sufficiency, and ultimately, the repatriation of our economy.
Finally, the blind praises sung by
Bertram to the great god free enterprise are hardly reassuring. We are
in our present economic predicament precisely because we allowed
ourselves to be duped by this absurd
ethos. And Bertram, the fundamental resource of our country is
not the businessman; it is the working people.
Don Sinclair
zoology department
Pablum
rejected
in debate
Re: Bill Betram's (commerce 2)
letter of Friday, Sept. 28 concerning
PetroCan. In closing, he states:
"We must get out of the petroleum
industry and stop this 'creeping
socialism' which ravages our land."
I would like to suggest he save this
ideological pablum for his commerce exams.
A little quoting from Ayn Rand
or our most recent (and expensive)
visitor to UBC, W. F. Buckley,
would have done much (perhaps?)
towards adding a little sophistication to an otherwise boring diatribe.
I quote an executive of an oil firm
in Calgary: "It is definitely in the
government's interest to keep
PetroCan, if only to maintain an
eye on the petroleum industry,
never mind realize more substantial
rewards." There you go Bill, right
from the horse's ass. It's good to
rally the troops to the peril of those
commie pinkos found in the darker
recesses of SUB, but to contradict
MR. BIG in Calgary, well ... I
don't know.
Those killer instincts of the
market place (efficiency first, come
what may) should be tempered and
cultivated by certain social graces.
The issue of PetroCan transcends
ideology. It is only common sense
that leaving a key sector of the
economy totally in the hands of foreign interests is not too wise. It's
very hard to play in the card game if
you've not been dealt any cards.
Hell, you couldn't even bluff!
Warren Ennis
dentristy 2
No room for state in classrooms
Your Sept. 27 article "A Quick
HALT Hurts Students" was
atrocious. In the course of an hour-
long telephone interview with your
reporter I never once said that
students have everything to lose and
nothing to gain from drastic tax
cuts, or anything like it. That is
merely your inference and it is a
false inference. What I actually said
was that since students for the most
part pay only hidden taxes they
aren't generally aware of the extent
to which the state confiscates their
money and therefore don't get too
excited by movements to slash property and income taxes. Generally
speaking, I said, they would support tax resistance for reasons of
principle or ideology or because
they see their parents being driven
to the wall by crushing taxation.
Actually, students like everyone
else have everything to gain from
drastic tax cuts. Students are also
consumers and if they didn't have
to pay two to eight times as much
for everything as they do now under
heavy sales taxes, duties, tariffs,
etc., they could easily afford a
university education. This of course
does not include taxes students pay
directly to government like income
tax, inflation, and property taxes
via rent.
In a free society students could
easily afford a university education
because a) they wouldn't have one-
half of their incomes expropriated
and b) universities would not be the
bureaucratic, inefficient state
monopolies they are today.
Yes, I am for ending state support of education. But first, how
about cutting taxes to eliminate
state support of corporations? To
end subsidization of business, like
"Super Natural, British Columbia?" To abolish our futile drug
and vice squads which enforce victimless crimes? To eliminate the
state monopoly favors granted to
the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, the post office, and Air
Canada and the bureaucracies
which maintain their privileges?
Contrary to what your article implies, I am all in favor of students
attending university. But it should
be obvious to anyone with an I.Q.
above room temperature that what
the state funds it also controls.
Those who advocate state support,
i.e., ultimate control, of university
education should ponder the question of academic freedom under
such conditions. They may also one
day find that "in the interests of
repaying society" the government
requires that they go to work in
Horsefly, B.C. for five years.
We have already seen this proposal for state-educated doctors
and dentists.
The Ubyssey, in typical leftist
fashion, has displayed confusion
and anger at the growing revolt of
the taxpayer and has lashed out at it
by labelling it "right wing" and
"reactionary". The left knows
damn well that tax resistance cuts
across the political spectrum. This
deliberate smear, I think, grows out
of a haunting fear on the left that it
has lost touch with the people. This
is not at all surprising since today
we see the left in ever-increasing
alignment with the right in support
of bureaucracy, high taxes, controls, restrictions, and statism in
general. The difference between left
and right are becoming increasingly
miniscule.
Once again, The Ubyssey has
misrepresented and distorted an opposing viewpoint for the sake of its
time-worn leftist biases. This is only to be expected, I suppose, from a
paper which unashamedly takes
students' money and gives them
back something for which they
would never pay voluntarily.
Cam Osborne
history 1 Thursday, October 4, 1979
THE    UBYSSEY
Page 5
Letters
Had a great time,
wish you were there
This letter is being written as a
comment on the leadership conference held last weekend at Camp Elphinstone. I felt very fortunate in
attending as it was both enjoyable
and informative. Topics relevant to
all students attending university
were discussed and information
shared about things such as: problems during registration, bicycle
paths, the organization and funding
of student groups, to name a few.
As a student new to the campus
and unaware of campus politics, I
was amazed to hear that I had infiltrated a reputedly elite group with
so little effort. I had expressed an
interest, filled in a form, paid my
money, caught the bus and arrived
at the conference with everyone
else. Thus, it came as a revelation
that some students regarded the
conference as elitist in nature.
Apparently, some individuals
had not wanted the conference to
occur and tried to prevent its happening. In principle, I can understand that, but on having lost the
battle, I would have hoped that they
would have the foresight to attend.
They would have gained by attending as they would have had the
opportunity to share their views and
had input into future conferences
and ensure that they were in accordance with what they felt was desirable. Instead, they chose to compound their losses and I feel, did a
disservice, to those of us who attended and the students they represent, by not explaining their views
and their rationale. The only way to
accomplish great gains is to turn all
losses into gains with constructive
efforts.
Many constructive things did occur at the conferences and we all
learned by sharing our ideas and
utilizing each others' strengths
through cooperation.
Nina MacDonald
member NUS
The Ubssey welcomes letters
from all readers.
Although an effort is made to
publish all letters received, The
Ubyssey reserves the right to edit
letters for reasons of brevity, legality, grammar or taste.
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THE    UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 4, 1979
Tween classes
TODAY
1VCF
Gene  Thomas  speaks  on  Christian  lifestyles,
noon, Chem. 250.
UBC DEBATING SOCIETY
Jonathon Wisenthal speaks on Approaching a
Resolution, noon, Buch. 212.
AIKIDO CLUB
New member practise, 7 p.m.. Arm. 203.
MEDIEVAL SOCIETY
General meeting, noon, SUB 212A.
EAST INDIAN STUDENTS ASSN.
General meeting, noon, SUB 119.
LE CLUB FRANCAIS
French party, noon, International House.
UBC NDP CLUB
General meeting and elections, noon, SUB 205.
NIHONKAIWA KURABU
Weekly meeting, noon, Asian studies lounge.
AQUA SOC
Party for members, 7 p.m., SUB 205.
AMNESTY UBC
Letter writing workshop, noon, SUB 224.
Vladimir Bukovsky speaks on Psychiatric abuse,
8 p.m., SUB ballroom.
GAY PEOPLE
General meeting, noon, SUB 125.
Hot flashes
UBC SCIENCE FICTION CLUB
Meeting to organize club magazine, noon, SUB
216.
YOUNG PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVES
Floor hockey, 7 p.m., winter sports centre gym F.
FRIDAY
INTRAMURALS
Last registration for women's Superstars and co-
recreactionat canoe trip, 4 p.m., War Memorial
gym 210.
UBC DEBATING SOCIETY
General meeting, noon, SUB 212.
LE CLUB FRANCAIS
General meeting, noon, International House.
SATURDAY
WHEELHOUSE CLUB
Weekly kitty cleanup, noon, Wheelhouse manor.
NEWMAN CATHOLIC CENTRE
Hike to Mt. Gardner on Bowen Island, 8:30 a.m.,
Mt. Gardner.
EAST INDIAN STUDENTS ASSN.
Welcome dance, 7:30 p.m., SUB party room.
SUNDAY
MUSEUM OF ANTHROPOLOGY
Bill Lewis speaks on the development of the guitar from 1850, 3 p.m., Museum of Anthropology.
MONDAY
Thanksgiving dinner, 4:30 p.m., St. Mark's
college.
TUESDAY
WUSC
Talk on Sri Lanka, noon, Buch. 205.
RUSSIAN CLUB
General meeting, noon, Buch. 1270.
COALITION FOR A SAFE CAMPUS
General meeting, 1:30 p.m., SUB 130.
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THE    UBYSSEY
Page 7
Pointed Sticks search for that
elusive first top of the pops hit
From page 8
Macklam feels that an accompanying mythology has built up, and
all of a sudden The Pointed Sticks
became punk pretenders. "First the
press writes about them because
they're not quite punk, then they
decide they need something else to
write about. Now this mythology is
in full swing. The Sticks have lost
all contact with their audience, they
are going straight to the top and using the punk movement as a springboard to international fame."
There has been an ever-growing
and diversely styled new wave
music scene in Vancouver the last
couple of years. The Pointed Sticks
have been, and are, an integral part
of it. But the punk label has been
inaccurate. They have much more
coloration than that. They also have
much more originality that finally
came to the attention of several
record companies: Sire, Stiff, and
Radar.
Stephen Macklam and the band
both wanted to sign with a small
label. They finally settled with the
British Stiff label, which has a small
roster of about 8-9 artists, most,
notably Ian Dury, Reckless Eric,
The Rumour, Rachel Sweet, and
Lene Lovich. The Pointed Sticks
are among Stiff's three most recent
acquisitions which also include The
Feelies from New York and The
Madness from London.
"We turned down a chance for
more money with Sire-Warner
Brothers. We went for less money
but a much better company (Stiff).
We do things step by step and we
don't try to make any formula short
cuts. We want to find out for
ourselves. We don't make
mistakes," emphasizes Macklam.
"Stiff wanted us more than they
were letting on. Paul said that the
band needed a little more work.
That was true. It had been a bad
night for the band at the Commodore.
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"However, when Brinsley
Schwartz came to Vancouver last
week to produce The Pointed
Sticks E.P. he let it slip that Conroy
had told him that the band was just
incredibly hot. So, obviously all
along Conroy was really impressed
with the band and he was just
bullshitting us and saying that the
guys had the potential to be good."
Stiff's first offering to their hot
new property was to present the
band with a producer for their upcoming extended play.
Veteran British pop-rocker
Brinsley Schwartz was one of
several suggestions made by the
label. Initially The Sticks wanted
Martin Rushent, whose impressive
production list includes The
Stranglers, Buzzcocks, Gentle
Giant and Rachel Sweet. But
Rushent wasn't immediately
available so the group asked
Schwartz to come to Vancouver.
"Brinsley Schwartz was a question mark for us because he doesn't
have a reputation as a producer,"
says Napier-Hemy. "He's only produced albums that he's played on.
We just said we'd give him a try.
We wouldn't have been surprised if
it hadn't worked out. But it worked
out really well. The guy's good, he
knows the studio inside out, and
he's the nicest guy in the world.
"He doesn't make mistakes.
When he says something, he's
thought it out and he knows what
he's saying. He worked really well
with our engineer, Bob Rock, who
produced our first two singles,
What Do You Want Me To Do and
The Real Thing. The "Brins" also
made some pertinent suggestions
about the arrangements and tunes.
He's got a great ear. Even though
he'd never produced another artist
before he wasn't afraid to be a producer. And if we didn't like his suggestions he wouldn't push them."
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4th YEAR
SCIENCE STUDENTS
The Science Grad Council is holding a
GENERAL MEETING
THURSDAY AT 12:30 P.M.
in Hebb Theatre
This meeting will discuss Grad Photos/
Functions/etc.
YOUR VIEWS ARE WANTED, SO
PLEASE ATTEND
The band was offered $2,500, for
the E.P., which they haven't received yet as the contract has not been
officially signed. The album deal is
separate. There's obviously more
money involved. And the contract
consists of four options to get out
of the contract.
The present plan also allows the
band to record four albums within a
two and a half year time period.
"The band has almost enough
material for two albums. The first
album will be a breeze to record,"
says Napier-Hemy. "After that it
will be up to us to keep putting out
good songs."
The Sticks are scheduled to
record their debut album this
December, possibly in England.
They are still debating on an album
title. Several of the contenders are:
Poking Fun At The Pointed Sticks,
Sex With Nuns, and Licks That
Stick. "The Pointed Sticks is such
an easy name to gimmick up,"
claims Macklam. "If it's our own
particular brand of sarcasm, it's
fine. But we don't want other people using the name and getting really with it."
The band is eager to start touring
England and America once their
first album has been recorded.
"There's a possibility we could tour
with Lene Lovich, The Feelies, and
even The Madness," says Bardach.
Touring with such an eclectic
line-up will eventually bring the
band to the astute attention of major rock music publications. But
they are not particularly eager to be
on the cover of Rolling Stone.
In fact, The Pointed Sticks are
adamantly against the idea. "We'd
like to stay out of Rolling Stone
magazine," says Macklam. "Put a
ban on Rolling Stone. Nothing
would make us happier than to
have the opportunity to say NO to
them. Did you know Rolling Stone
is owned by Zerox?"
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THE    UBYSSEY
Thursday, October 4, 1979
5f>c*<S
GEOF WHEELWRICHT/UBYSSEY PHOTOS
By
KATHRYN
MUNSON
Stephen Macklam, manager: "they came
from a different angle altogether. They
were just idiots from North Van. "
Bill Napier-Hemy, guitarist: "the lyrics
are about personal feelings. They 're not
especially clever. "
Tony Bardach, bass: "the end is so far
away now, I can't even see it. "
"The end is so far away now, I
can't even see it," says Tony Bardach, bass player for The Pointed
Sticks.
But this wasn't always true.
Once it seemed the end was
always near for The Pointed
Sticks. At one point, early in 1979,
the band almost packed it up for
good. "Ian Tiles had just quit.
And we had a manager, John
Owens, who was setting us up in
the wrong kind of direction," says
Bardach.
John Owens became the
band's first manager after he approached them at one of their gigs
and promised to make them stars
and put bread on their table. "We
thought that maybe he could get
us a few gigs. So we went along
with him. He had already launched the career of Doucette. Even
though it was obvious where he
was coming from, we figured we
could get something out of him.
So it wouldn't hurt to try," says
Bardach.
Unfortunately the association
with Owens hurt the morale of the
band. He arranged gigs in
Ginger's Discoteque in Whalley
and Rohan's in Vancouver,
venues which were not suited to
the band's style and music.
Owens also wanted the band to
participate  in  publicity activities
they were not particularly eager to
endorse.
"Owen wanted us to borrow
$6,000 to go down to Los
Angeles, rent a car, and take all
these people out to lunch and sell
them the band," says Bardach.
"Basically the guy was telling
us that the music industry is all
bullshit and hype and that's what
you have to do," adds Pointed
Sticks guitarist Bill Napier-Hemy.
"That was the last straw and we
fired him. Fortunately, we never
actually signed a contract. He
wanted to promote us the way
The Knack had been promoted.
He really admired The Knack and
since they were a really hot property he felt justified in taking a
few tips from these guys. It was
all just a pile of bull."
But Stephen Macklam, their
new manager, personal friend,
and biggest fan, has ideas that
closely resemble those of The
Pointed Sticks. "Owens' technique works, but the point is the
band did not like the idea," he
says.
"It stunk. I think this band is a
classic example that you can succeed without the hype because
that's not what we've done as a
unit. And we've got everything
and probably more than we'd
hoped to get originally." The band
finally chose Macklam, a former
freelance journalist and CBC interviewer, over Bruce Allen. It was
rumored Allen was quite interested in managing The Pointed
Sticks, thereby harnessing a wave
band into his stable of rock bands.
"What has he (Allen) done
since BTO?" asks Bardach. "All
the bands that he's had we don't
like anyway. His total approach is
totally Americanized. It's
homogenized. How can a new
wave band have an old wave
manager?"
"Also being associated with
Bruce Allen is bad," Napier-Hemy
says. "When I hear about a band
that's associated with Bruce
Allen, whether I've heard them or
not, I'll say I don't like them
because I don't like the whole
method he uses. But, on the other
hand, if I see that a band is on
Stiff records I'll listen to it 'cause I
know that Stiff's always had good
bands. Bruce Allen hasn't had
good bands, he's only had shitty
bands."
Stephen Macklam has been a
friend of the band since its first
gig. He also travels in the same
circle of friends and musicians as
do The Sticks. And he likes their
music. He freely admits that they
are his favorite band.
"I wrote the reviews of their
POINTED STICKS . . . singing "we're in the money all the way lo the bank."
singles in Snot Rag," he explains.
"The first time I heard them I
thought they were brilliant, even
at their first gig! They were totally
unprofessional but I could tell
they were talented. They had
good original songs and they were
really fun to watch perform."
The Pointed Sticks' songs are
not only original but the band
members have a unique method
of songwriting. Four of the five
members write their own individual songs, both words and
music. There is virtually no collaboration between them.
What they collaborate on is the
attitude toward the band's sound.
As Bardach puts it: "Everyone has
a good idea and feeling about the
way we want the band to sound.
We all write songs in a similar
vein."
"Let's put it another way,"
adds Napier-Hemy. "Nobody
comes in with a disco song or a
funk song. If you get to know the
sound of the band you can tell
which member wrote which
song."
The band's songs have a high
degree of complexity. Inspiration
comes from personal experiences
and relationships, or at times from
the Divine Muse. But Napier-
Hemy conceeds that their lyrics
are not particularly brilliant and
are not as important as the music.
"The lyrics are about personal
feelings. They're not especially
clever. We definitely put more
emphasis on the instrumental part
of a song. We don't see fit to print
our lyrics."
"Our lyrics are nothing to base
your life on," says Bardach.
But the songs have considerable commercial appeal. Bardach feels it is the band's natural
appeal. "It doesn't matter
whether people slag us for being
successful or popular because our
music is what we are. We couldn't
be anything else."
The band does not want to be
labelled as a punk/new wave
band. It is a pop band. The band
just happened at the time punk
happened. "We (the audience)
were going to clubs and dressing
like punks to entertain ourselves
because we couldn't get the real
thing," says Macklam. "We'd
read about the punk scene and it
sounded like fun, so we copied
their dress style.
"Well, The Pointed Sticks
never really did that. They came
from a different angle altogether.
They were very affected by the
philosophy of punk music, its
speed and energy. But they
weren't trying to look like they
came from the streets of London
or New York. They were just
idiots from North Vancouver.
"They were doing what they'd
been doing before (musically) except that they were getting better
and getting closer to the mark all
the time. Tony Bardach had been
the bass player in the punk band
Private School. Gord Nicholl had
played keyboards with Active
Dog. Ken "Dimwit" Montgomery
(Sticks' drummer) and Nick Jones
(Sticks' lead singer) are
associated with the very rude
punk band Rude Norton.
Therefore, people thought that
The Pointed Sticks were a punk
band. It became a journalistic convenience."
To further complicate matters
with the press and audience alike
the band's friends were largely
musicians from the local Lower
Mainland punk bands like DOA,
Subhumans, and Private School.
The Vancouver-based punk scene
was getting press coverage and
the press had to find a band
whose music was acceptable yet
somehow associated with the
punk movement.
The Pointed Sticks received this
dubious honor. And they are
quite willing to give it back. "The
press hears our songs with their
catchy riffs and so on and they
think that we're a punk band they
can write about because we are
sort of safe," says Bardach.
See page 7: POINTED

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