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Dr. Norman MacKenzie, left, known to
his close friends and associates as
"Larry" MacKenzie while president of
UBC from 1944 to 1962, discloses, in an
interview beginning on Page Two, how
the provincial government once offered
to turn over the University Endowment
Lands to UBC's Board of Governors. He
also describes how the president's house
came to be built and comments on the
student unrest which has swept across
university campuses in recent years. He
still believes, however, that students
should be number one group on a university campus.
After the Hungarian revolution of 1956
UBC became a haven for the students
and faculty of the Sopron School of
Forestry, who fled their native country
on the heels of Russian tanks. What has
happened to the Hungarian foresters
since they graduated from UBC? Two
members of the Sopron faculty who
have remained at UBC recently completed a survey which shows that the
graduates have been almost fully integrated into Canadian society. For details
turn to Pages Four and Five.
/ Dr. Norman MacKenzie became the third*
president of the University of British
Columbia. During his presidency from
1944 to 1962; UBC grew tof|f jone of
Canada's major universities, in terms of
both enrolment and academic excellence.
In the interview beginning below. Dr.
MacKenzie looks back on his presidential
term and discusses the difficult post-war-
period when more than 9,000 students got
an education on a campus built for about
2,000, the question of the University Endowment Lands, the construction of the
president's house and the campus unrest of
recent years.
UBC REPORTS: Dr. MacKenzie, it was 25 years
ago this year that you were formally installed as
president of the University of British Columbia. Can
you briefly tell us what kind of a university you
found when you arrived on the west coast of Canada
in 1944 to take up your duties.
DR. N.A.M. MacKENZIE: As a preliminary to
that question, let me say that it was not an easy
decision for us to make to come out here from the
University of New Brunswick. I was approached by
representatives of the Board of Governors of UBC in
the autumn of 1943.
I think George Cunningham* and Harry Logan*
were two of those who talked to me, in an informal
way, about this and the next February the Board of
Governors asked me if I would be willing to come to
British Columbia as president of UBC. I told them of
"The late George Cunningham was first appointed to UBC's
Board of Governors in 1935 and served as a member of that
body for 30 years. He was chciirman of the Board when he
died in 1965 at the age of 76 Harry T. Logan is professor
emeritus and former head of the UBC classics department. He
was a member of the Board of Governors from 1941 to 1946
while serving as principal of the Prince of Wales Fairbridge
Farms School, a boy's school on Vancouver Island.
2/UBC Reports/November 27, 1969
my reluctance—I had only been at the University of
New Brunswick for four years—but I consulted with
friends of mine, including the late Canon James
Cody, then president of the University of Toronto,
and others like him.
Canon Cody put it this way—he said the University
of British Columbia was in one of the growing
communities of Canada and UBC and the University
of Toronto were going to be the two most important
university institutions in the country. So, with a good
deal of reluctance, because of our sentiments about
New Brunswick and our sense of commitment to it,
we agreed to come here.
One of the very few conditions I made was that
the Board would either find or build a house for the
president of the university on or near the campus. I
did this because in every college and university in the
English-speaking world the residence of the president
is an important center for the university community.
The Board agreed to this.  I'll have a word to say a
little later about how and why the house was built
where it is.
UBC REPORTS: How big a university was UBC in
1944 and what kind of a reputation did it have?
DR. MacKENZIE: Well UBC, like the other
universities in Canada, had just come through four
years of war and a great many of the undergraduates
and graduate students, and the staff too, had gone off
to the services, either in uniform or in other civilian
capacities. To the best of my knowledge, the peak
full-time enrolment of winter session students was
about 2,300. And UBC had, in semi-permanent
buildings, accommodation for about 1,800. So it was
overcrowded even then.
There were a few veterans here in 1944 who
formed a club and met together. Acadia Camp, which
had been a work camp during the depression years
and consisted of a few huts and a dining hall, had
been used by the armed forces when General George
Pearkes* was in command out here, and he and
Premier John Hart* agreed to make it available to us
because they weren't using it. During the winter of
1944—45, a student co-operative was in it.
'General George R. Pearkes is one of Canada's best-known
military figures. He was minister of national defence in the
federal government from 1957—60 and Lieutenant-Governor
of B.C. from 1960 to 1968. The late John Hart was premier
of B.C. from 1941 to 1947. He died in April, 1957. +%*-*#
It didn't prove satisfactory for their purposes so
they turned it back to us in the summer of 1945. And
as you know, the wars with Germany and Italy on the
European front ended that year and the veterans
began to return in considerable numbers.
UBC REPORTS: Did the universities have any
conception of what they were going to be faced with
in the four or five years after the Second World War?
DR. MacKENZIE:    None whatever. All we knew
was that  there  would be a substantial  number of
young   men   and   women   returning   who   had   not
finished their university education or who wanted to
begin   it.  Within  two  and  a  half  years  enrolment
increased from the 2,300 I've described to about
9,400. This faced the University with almost
impossible problems because we had no facilities to
take care of them. More than that, you couldn't get
materials with which to build, and we had no money
with which to build. For instance, there were no nails
to be had; we did a sort of undercover deal with the
Air Force and acquired from them, on permanent
loan, some two-and-a-half tons of nails. We had to go
as far abroad as Honolulu to get some concrete to put
blocks under the huts.
UBC REPORTS: And yet those who were at UBC
in those days insist that a feeling of camaraderie and
good spirits characterized the campus.
DR. MacKENZIE: I consider myself one of the
most fortunate of men to have had the privilege of
being president of this University at that time in its
history and in the history of our country. The young
men and women who came back from the armed
forces were very special people. They were more
mature and concerned with getting on with their
education and their professional work. Most of all,
they were cooperative and helpful in meeting the
many problems and difficult situations. A great many
of them were married and a goodly number had small
We did the best we could. We took over between
five and six hundred huts at Little Mountain, which
we rented at minimum rates. We brought huts to the
campus for single and married students. And after a
fashion, we met the emergency. I'd like to pay special
tribute to the faculty of that time. If I had had my
way they would all have had medals. Medals, as you
know, are given for work done or deeds performed
beyond the call of duty. And all of the faculty,
almost without exception, worked day and night. We
had staggered courses, held in the morning, afternoon
and evening. We had courses beginning in September,
others beginning in January, March and July.
It was a year-round operation. The faculty and
administration carried on throughout and the
students fitted themselves in. So it was a very
interesting, exciting period in the history of the
UBC REPORTS: What was the outlook after the
great wave of veterans had gone through UBC?
DR. MacKENZIE: It was a rather painful period
because the enrolment declined. You see the birthrate
during the depression and hungry 30s was low and
the numbers of young people coming on from high
schools was relatively small. So our enrolment
declined to between five and six thousand.
We knew it would increase again but not at the
rate or to the extent that it did. The increases of the
1950s were due, in part, to the rising birth rate and,
more important, to the fact that more young people
wanted to get a university education than had been
true in former years.
UBC REPORTS: I suppose in those days, too, the
University was almost entirely dependent, for
operational and building purposes, on grants from the
government. Benefactors don't seem to have played a
very large part in UBC's affairs in those days.
DR. MacKENZIE: To all intents and purposes,
the revenues of the University consisted of the
provincial government's grant, which had been
increased in the late 1920s to about $650,000. It was
cut during the depression to about $250,000. This,
and student fees, which were quite modest at that
time, were all that the University had.
UBC REPORTS: One area that continues to be of
concern to the University, and I'm sure it was a
matter of concern to you when you were the
president, is the question of the University
Endowment Lands.
DR. MacKENZIE: This has a long history. When
the University was established, the aim of the
government was to give it an endowment which
would enable it to carry on without too much
dependence upon government grants. At first, the
government thought seriously of providing very
substantial areas of land in the Interior from Prince
George west toward Prince Rupert. Dr. Wesbrook*
and Dr. Klinck* and, I think, Mr. H.R. Macmillan,
who was then chief forester for B.C., went on an
expedition in 1917 to look at these lands.
They decided, I think wisely, that these lands had
no value that was of practical importance or concern
to the University. Later on, the provincial
government provided endowment lands here at Point
Grey—some 3,200 acres in all. The hope was that the
lands would be leased on a long-term basis to
residents and that the rental from these leases would
provide income for the University. The citizens of
British Columbia at that time would not accept the
idea of leases. They wanted to own outright, to hold
title to their property.
*Dr. Frank F. Wesbrook was UBC's first president from 1913
to 1918. He was a noted pathologist and public health doctor
and dean of medicine at the University of Minnesota when
appointed president of UBC. He died in Oct. 1918, at the age
of 50. Dr. Leonard S. Klinck, who succeeded Dr. Wesbrook
as president, headed UBC until 1944 when Dr. MacKenzie
was appointed president. Dr. Klinck died on March 29 this
year at the age of 92.
Now, shortly after I came here, Premier John Hart,
who became a very good and generous friend of the
University, suggested that he would be prepared to
turn over full title to the endowment lands to the
University. But when we looked at the accounts we
found that the cost of providing services and the
funds required to look after these services more than
took up any revenues that accrued to the
government. In other words, it was a deficit
operation. I had in mind that we might set up a
Crown company with competent people to
administer and develop it.
About that time we were trying to meet the
problem of post-war enrolments without the
necessary funds and facilities. We knew that the
provision of Endowment Land services—the streets,
sewers, sidewalks, lighting and all the rest—would
mean that expenditure would exceed income for
some time to come. And for the University to be
landlord for all the people in the area, who would
understandably want better services, would be a
difficult task.
So, on balance, the Board of Governors decided
that we would leave the lands with the government in
the hope and expectation that they would develop
them and in due course provide us with any surplus
revenue. Several plans have been proposed for
development of the Endowment Lands, but none of
the governments were prepared to carry them out
because of the capital costs. And that remains, to all
intents and purposes, the situation up to the present
UBC REPORTS: You mentioned earlier that one
of the conditions under which you came to UBC was
the construction of a home for the president. But
initially you lived in Acadia Camp.
DR. MacKENZIE: When I came here, the Board
of Governors had been considering the purchase of
the house on Newton Wynd. I think they could have
had it for $13,900. But before we arrived the house
was taken off the market. It was practically
impossible to find accommodation. During our first
year here we lived in the home of Professor Fred
Soward, who was in Ottawa with the department of
external affairs. So we put all our furniture in the
basement of Brock Hall, and there it remained for
about six years, because when we left Professor
Soward's house we moved into a hut in Acadia Camp.
For the next five years, Mrs. MacKenzie and I and
our three children and two dogs had one of the
happiest periods in our life because of the atmosphere
and the friendly community relations with students
and other faculty members who lived in similar
In the meantime, Premier Hart had given two lots
on Marine Drive for the president's house. We had
architects draw up various plans appropriate, as we
thought, for modest family living and for a measure
of entertainment on behalf of the University.
Some of our prospective neighbours became a bit
uneasy about this. I suppose they had in mind
parking and the obstruction of views and so on. So
we decided that we had better build on the campus
itself—on land deeded outright to the University. We
selected the site where the president's house now
stands. But before we could go ahead, we had to clear
with three levels of government and six departments
because the land had been taken over by the armed
forces as part of the Point Grey Fort and there were
wireless masts on the property. The Parks Board had
an interest in the bank and waterfront and the
original Marine Drive went round the front of it. It
was some years before we got all this straightened
Incidentally, I was interested to learn from Mrs.
Wesbrook, the widow of UBC's first president, that
the site of the house was the same one which she and
Dr. Wesbrook had decided to build.
Now, we didn't want to use student fees to build
the president's house and we didn't want to encroach
on the provincial government grant. The University
had, from other property which it owned, a sum of
money that seemed to make it possible to build
economically on that site.
UBC REPORTS: Dr. MacKenzie, in looking back
on your 18 years here, what things would you
say you were most proud of having accomplished?
DR. MacKENZIE: The general development of
the University itself. I don't think that it's inaccurate
Please turn to page seven
To commemorate UBC's adoption of the Sopron Forestry sch
University in 1961 for hanging in International House. Kamill A
made the presentation to Dr. Geoffrey C. Andrew, then UBC's c
The simple stone plaque in UBC's
International House carries the inscription "UBC
adopted Sopron 1956—60" and shows two
hands firmly clasped together.
The plaque is a permanent reminder that for
more than four years UBC was a haven for
Hungary's Forest Engineering University of
Sopron, whose faculty and students fled into
exile from their homeland during the abortive
Hungarian revolution of 1956.
At first, the 300 refugees—students, faculty
and their dependents—expected they would be
able to return to Sopron, which is located near
the Austrian border, when the political situation
had been stabilized. As hope of Hungarian
liberation dwindled the plight of the little band
of exiles seemed bleak indeed.
Sopron's dean, Kalman Roller, sent letters to
more than 20 countries explaining their special
situation. The most generous response came
from Canada and as a result of the efforts of
former cabinet ministers, John W. Pickersgill and
James Sinclair, arrangments were made for the
Sopron group to continue their education at
Early in January, 1957, the immigrants—200
students, 28 faculty members and some 65 wives
and children—arrived in Canada from Austria
and after a brief welcome at UBC journeyed to
Powell River, where they began intensive study
of English and heard lectures on forestry,
economics and North American culture from
UBC professors and government and industrial
Formal academic classes for the Sopron
Division of the UBC Faculty of Forestry began
4/UBC Reports/November 27, 1969
on the Point Grey campus in September, 1957,
and four years later a total of 141 of the exiled
Hungarians had earned their forestry degrees.
What has happened to the closely-knit band
of Hungarian foresters since they graduated
from UBC? Two former Sopron faculty
members, who remained on the UBC faculty,
have recently completed a study of the
professional   achievements   of   the   Sopron
While at UBC the Sopron faculty and students
were presented with a mascot—the Hungarian
Komondor sheep dog shown above. It was a gift
from an animal rescue league In Pennsylvania.
graduates with the help of a grant from theJ^n
and Thea Koerner Foundation. ^^
Dr. Oscar Sziklai and Mr. Laszlo Adamovich,
both associate professors in UBC's faculty of
forestry, have carried out the study which
discloses that the exiles have, on the whole, been*
fully integrated in the Canadian society and the
forestry profession despite grave cultural
To aid them in their analysis, Dr. Sziklai and
Mr. Adamovich sent questionnaires to the
Hungarian graduates. A total of 119 were
returned but in some respects it was possible to
use previous records and other information to
analyse all 141 graduates.
The survey shows that the majority of the
Hungarian graduates—80.1 per cent—have stayed
in Canada, and each province, with the
exception of Prince Edward Island, has at least
one graduate. Of the 113 still in Canada, 90 are
in B.C. Of the others, 22 live in the United
States and five are in Europe. Only two of those
residing in Europe are in Hungary, one of these
for health reasons, the report states.
Employment statistics collected by the two
UBC professors show that of the 119 Hungarian
graduates who answered the questionnaire, 85
are employed in the professional and technical
forestry category. By far the largest number of
these —73—are at the professional level as
location engineers or foresters on the staff of a
forestry research or educational institution.
Thirty-four of the exiled students left the
forestry profession after they graduated, the
survey  shows.   But  of this group,  the largest ioi, Hungarian students presented this plaque to the
t: left, president of the final Sopron graduating class,
puty president.
n^^per—22—have professional status in some
n^^-forestry occupation. (One student, for
instance, entered UBC's medical school after
three years of "bush" work and graduated as a
doctor in 1966.)
; Understandably, the group of graduates which
had the greatest difficulty in reaching
professional status initially were the 25
Hungarians who graduated in 1958, 13 months
after arriving in Canada.
This class had difficulty, the report says, as a
result of language and cultural barriers which
were inevitable after so short a period in a new
•environment. As a result it took just over six
years for the average member of the first class to
advance from sub-professional positions, such as
timber cruiser, draftsman or technician, to
professional status.
Subsequent   classes   of   graduates   advanced
more rapidly. The second and third classes took
about four years to advance from technical to
v professional  status while  the  final   class took
only 3.4 years to advance.
The number of Hungarian students who left
the forestry profession for other fields is not
surprising, the authors state, and is a result of
education policy under the Hungarian
communist regime.
As a result, most of the students in this
category left the Sopron school soon after
arrival in Canada, and others switched professions
after obtaining their forestry degree. This change
could be made without too much difficulty, the
report says, because of the unspecialized nature
of the Sopron curriculum.
The UBC professors also questioned the
graduates about positive and negative factors
related to their job progress. Summarizing this
section the report states: "It seems that
knowledge gained by university education,
persistence and hard work, in combination, were
considered the main positive factors, while
limited local experience was listed as the main
negative factor."
Language difficulties were also considered a
hindrance to progress, except in the case of the
last class to graduate. "The greater number of
'no' answers to the negative factors indicates
that the majority feel that their progress was not
hindered," the report comments.
On the whole, the Sopron graduates
experienced a favourable social attitude from
fellow workers. The large majority of Canadians
were helpful, the report says, and the graduates
"almost without exception, fit well into the new
environment and give new colour to the
kaleidoscope of Canadian life."
The report also points to the unusually high
percentage of Sopron graduates who proceeded
to postgraduate work which won them master's
and doctor's degrees. Twenty-five per cent of
the Sopron students have obtained master's
degrees and ten per cent have either obtained
doctorates or are working toward them. (In
Canadian forestry schools less than ten per cent
of the graduates proceed to postgraduate work).
questionnaire. More than half of these obtained
a degree or diploma of some type after leaving
the Sopron school and entered a wide range of
fields, including engineering, fruit growing, the
arts (one is a sculptor and another a film
director), and technical fields.
As for the 28 members of the Sopron faculty,
their experience has closely paralleled that of
the students. The bulk of them—15—have
remained in B.C. and a total of 23 still reside in
Canada. The majority continue to practice
forestry at universities or in government or
private research institutions and five are
employed at various levels in the engineering
For the faculty members, the keys to success
were learning English and continuing education,
the report says. "To learn English is a difficult
task for a Hungarian, especially for those over
30. The Hungarian language has no resemblance
to any major language spoken in Europe.
Grammar, idioms and pronunciation were—and
for many still are—tough hurdles," the report
points out.
Thirteen of the former Sopron teachers went
on to earn advanced degrees and 98 publications
have resulted from their research efforts.
The programs and achievements of the
Sopron group during their first decade in Canada
can be attributed to many factors, the report
says. "Among these, the main one is the
opportunity given these foresters by the
Canadian nation to establish themselves 'in a
land of freedom.' Just as important was the
moral help of many individuals and institutions
who, in the initial phase of the settlement, had
the patience to guide the all-too-suddenly
transplanted and rootless students."
The authors pay tribute in the report to Dr.
N.A.M.  MacKenzie, former president of  UBC,
Each year, Sopron students marched In solemn procession to UBC's War Memorial Gym to pay tribute
to those who participated in the 1956 Hungarian revolution. A highlight of the ceremony, above, was
the laying of a wreath at the base of the memorial wall in the gymnasium lobby.
"The number of students in each first-year
field, and the social and sex composition of the
classes was pre-planned" in Hungary, the report
states. "This often resulted in a situation where
the   student   was   almost   forced  to  choose  a
profession in which he was not really interested,
just to get a university education."
Despite language difficulties the Hungarians
have produced nearly 100 research publications
and reports and 14 awards have been made to
Sopron graduates, including the distinguished
wood award of the Forest Products Research
Society and two graduate fellowships.
And even Sopron had its dropouts—a total of
61. The addresses of many of these students
were    unknown,    but   34   returned   the
and the late Dr. George Allen, the former dean
of forestry.
As a permanent tribute to Dr. Allen, the
Sopron students have contributed voluntarily to
a fund to establish the "Dean Allen Memorial
Scholarship" in forest genetics at UBC. "We
consider it as a small but sincere gesture of
thanks for all we owe Canada," the report says.
UBC Reports/November 27, 1969/5 LETTERS  TO THE
With reference to your five-year financial statement (showing stated goals and actual expenditures
during UBC's capital program from 1964 to 1969) in
the . . . issue (of Oct. 30), I would like to point out
an omission in the "actual expenditure" columns of
approximately $37,000,000. It is evident that only
the items for which money was alloted in 1964 are
listed, and that the other $37,000,000 which was not
expected to be received is unaccounted for there.
Peter Dewdney,
Graduate student.
Electrical Engineering.
Reader Dewdney is correct in stating that some
$37,000,000 was unaccounted for in detail in the
table which appeared on Page Five of the Oct. 30
edition of UBC Reports The table, however, was
meant to be read In conjunction with the accompanying article which stated that of the total expenditure of $71,688,030 during the five-year period
ending March 31, 1969, more than half the funds
invested-$37,010,377-was the result of special
financing arrangements entirely outside of regular
provincial government grants and fund drives. The
Page Five table also has to be looked at In association
with another table which appeared on Page Four of
the same edition. The latter table shows UBC's capital
fund goals and actual receipts from all sources, Including those sources which were outside government
grants and fund drives. The basic aim of the article
and the tables was to report on how contributions to
the 3 Universities Capital Fund were spent.
UBC REPORTS has pursued a policy of
encouraging individuals and campus organizations to
contribute material commenting on current university
affairs. In keeping with this policy we asked the
Campus Left Action Movement early In the current
session to contribute an article outlining their
policies. The following reply was received late in
This letter is in response to your request that the
Campus Left Action Movement submit an article to
your paper.
UBC Reports is an organ of the administration at
UBC. As such, in the final analysis, it represents an
undemocratic university which serves the private and
imperialist interests in society which we expressly
Your paper is an attempt by the university to hide
its basically authoritarian nature through the use of
propaganda within the community. It does not
seriously attempt to criticize the corporate-capital
control of the university.
By its very nature, UBC Reports is an apologist
organ for the policies of the board of governors. We
cannot in clear conscience lend legitimacy to such a
news organ.
People in the university community who are
interested in knowing our policies and positions can
find them by reading our own paper. The Barnacle, or
following our progress in the news columns of The
Christmas and New Year holidays are on the
horizon for UBC students, faculty members and
employed staff.
Lectures will end Dec. 8 for those Faculties
scheduling formal Christmas exams and the first
term of the 1969—70 session officially ends
Dec. 19.
UBC will be closed for Christmas on Dec. 25
and 26 and for the New Year on Jan. 1. In
addition, a University holiday for ail members
of the faculty and staff has been declared on
Jan. 2.
UBC will resume normal operations on Jan.
5, when second term lectures begin.
Top-to-bottom revision of the academic
program and administrative structure of UBC's
Faculty of Education has been called for in a
125-page report prepared by a commission
established by Dean of Education Neville Scarfe.
The report of the Commission on the Future of
the Faculty of Education will be discussed within
the Faculty in coming months. Implementation of
any or all of the report's 85 recommendations will
require approval by the dean and education
faculty members and most of the major
recommendations will have to receive final
approval from the Senate and Board of Governors.
Major recommendations call for:
—Adoption of a single, five-year Bachelor of
Education degree program;
— Introduction of a "teaching associate"
concept and abolition of the existing practice
teaching method;
—Major changes and additions to the Faculty's
graduate program, including a new Master of
Pedagogy degree to be awarded without research;
— Implementation of a new administrative
structure involving creation of a Faculty Council
and a Senior Administrative Board, which together
would be the main policy-making bodies in the
—Appointment of an associate dean of
development and planning to act as an "agent of
—Student participation in decision-making at
the operational level, and
—Granting of separate Faculty status to the
School of Physical Education and Recreation.
A Student Commission on the Future of the
Faculty of Education (SCOFFE), in a series of
introductory remarks included in the COFFE
report, said it had had ample opportunity to
express student opinions to the commission.
The student group did not recommend that
students sit on high-level administrative
committees of the Faculty because, in addition to
lacking experience and background knowledge, "it
would be a rare student who could meet the
demands of such work, and at the same time
sustain a university workload."
Dean Scarfe said the commission's report "is a
pioneering attempt to bring a Faculty at a
Canadian university up-to-date," and would serve
as a blueprint for the Faculty's development in the
1970s. (Details in UBC Reports issue of Nov. 13).
Five universities, including UBC, have formed a
group called the Western Canadian Universities
Marine Biological Organization (WCUMBO) to
press for establishment of a marine biological
station at Bamfield on the west coast of
Vancouver Island.
WCUMBO has prepared a feasibility study for
consideration by the five parent universities, other
government sponsoring bodies and interested
individuals or organizations.
The report calls for the five universities to form
a non-profit educational society for marine
biological education and research, approve plans
for the 190-acre Bamfield station, which is in the
process of being purchased from Canadian
Overseas Telecommunications for $85,000, and
include the project in their funding programs.
(Details in the Nov. 13 edition of UBC Reports).
UBC's Senate, accustomed to dealing with
academic matters, was confronted Nov. 12 with a
series of issues with political overtones.
The issues, raised at a regular Senate meeting by
student members, are related to the Viet Nam war,
the situation of native Indians in B.C.'s
educational system and the sociological
background of UBC's student body.
Senate, after lengthy and occasionally heated
—Refused to act on a motion calling for
endorsation of campus activities related to the
nation-wide Viet Nam moratorium of Nov. 14 and
which urged "all members of the University
community to participate in the moratorium as
best they can";
—Approved a motion calling for a wide-ranging
inquiry on education of Indians in B.C. and their
situation at UBC, and
—Tabled a motion calling for a study of the
sociological background of UBC students pending
a report on the costs of such a study and who
should carry it out. (Details in UBC Reports
edition of Nov. 20).
Major appointments at UBC in recent months
Prof. Milton A. Moore, a Canadian taxation
expert and a faculty member since 1959, as head
of the Department of Economics;
Prof. Crawford S. Holling, a population
dynamics expert, as head of the new Institute of
Animal Resource Ecology;
Dr. Walter D. Young, a former Rhodes scholar
and a UBC faculty member since 1962, as head of
the Department of Political Science;
Dr. Frank E. Murray, a leading Canadian expert
on devices for controlling air pollution from pulp
and paper mills, as head of the Department of
Chemical Engineering in the Faculty of Applied
Science, and
Dr. Donald H. Williams as associate dean of the
Faculty of Medicine to be responsible for the
Faculty's grant system and further development of
a medical alumni group. (Dr. Donald Graham, the
other associate dean of medicine, will continue to
have responsibility for student affairs and
admission policies).
UBC's Senate has elected three persons from its
own membership to serve three-year terms on the
Board of Governors. The three elected, all
graduates of UBC, are Mrs. John M. Lecky and Mr.
Paul Plant, both former presidents of the UBC
Alumni Association, and Mr. David Williams, a
member of Senate elected by Convocation. Mrs.
Lecky and Mr. Plant are appointees to Senate by
the Alumni board of management.
Two of the previous Board members elected by
Senate, Mr. Richard M. Bibbs and Mr. Donovan
Miller, have been given appointments to the Board
by the Lieutenant-Governor-in-Council. The third
Senator elected to the Board, Mr. Stuart Keate,
has retired as a member of both the Board and the
A joint faculty-student committee is planning
the triennial Open House, designed to give the
general public and graduates an inside look at
UBC. The event will be held on March 6 and 7,
1970 .... Prof. J.H. Quastel, professor of
neurochemistry at UBC, was honoured by McGill
University Oct. 8. He received the honorary degree
of doctor of science at the annual Founder's Day
convocation. He was a McGill faculty member for
19 years before joining UBC in 1966 .... Two
UBC faculty members noted for their
contributions to the fields of electrical engineering
and forest hydrology respectively, died during the
summer. Dr. Frank Noakes, acting dean of applied
science and head of electrical engineering, died of
a heart attack at his summer home on Saltspring
Island Aug. 1. He was 56. On Aug. 15 Dr. Walter
Jeffrey, associate professor of forest hydrology in
the faculty of forestry, was one of three persons
killed in a helicopter crash on the Liard river, 100
miles north of Fort Liard in the Northwest
Territories .
6/UBC Reports/November 27, 1969 'Students should be
the number one
group at the University"
MacKENZIE Continued from page three
or unfair to say that practically everything that has
been developed at this University was discussed and,
in some cases, general plans approved and long-term
financial arrangements made, by the summer of 1962
when I left here. Now, there have been more recent
developments; this proposal for an addition to the
library under the Main Mall is an exciting one which
we hadn't thought of.
UBC REPORTS: What things have not happened?
DR. MacKENZIE: Well, for instance, there was a
site between the Faculty Club and the Law Building
for a University Chapel. It was set aside in the hope
and expectation that some generous benefactor
would come along. That hasn't come off. Another
thing, the size of the student body created something
of a monolithic institution and in that kind of an
atmosphere it's hard to maintain a sense of personal
relationships between faculty and the students.
UBC REPORTS: This very topic has been
^^>roughly discussed recently in the report of the
senate Committee on Long-Range Objectives. One of
the minority proposals in the report recommends
doing away with traditional faculties and creating a
series of academic divisions composed of federated
colleges. It's felt this would provide a more
personalized atmosphere. Was such an idea discussed
during your presidency?
DR. MacKENZIE: Yes, several times during the
years I was president, I discussed this with members
of faculty and Board of Governors. I think residential
life is important and perhaps a key to collegiate life. I
thought that we might arrange groupings of
residences with the idea that they would become
separate colleges with their own principals and some
members of staff.
l Another suggestion was that the first two years
•fd the two senior years in the Faculties of Arts and
Science might be dealt with differently. The junior
years might be dealt with in facilities on the southern
area of the campus and the senior years, which
require more elaborate work, laboratories, libraries
and so on, in the northern section.
Now, this would have been more expensive and
certainly less convenient, and it was not surprising
that the faculty did not take to this suggestion. But a
number of us thought this must be clone if
relationships between students and faculty were to be
maintained on a personal basis. I would hope that
even yet something of this kind might be done.
UBC REPORTS: At the time you discussed this
idea the University's enrolment was a great deal lower
than it is now. Since enrolment is going to continue
to increase, do you think that superimposing a college
system on a University of our present size poses
insuperable problems?
DR. MacKENZIE: No, the problems are basically
not any different from those when the enrolment was
10,000 or less. The first thing that is important is the
will to do it and the second is the money with which
to do it. And because neither of these were present
20 years ago, nothing happened. Now if the
University community agrees it should be done, then
I think it can be done on a gradual basis. The
residences in what is now Place Vanier could form
one center, the Totem Park group another, Acadia
and Fort Camps another.
UBC REPORTS: Do you see them revolving
primarily around residential life?
DR. MacKENZIE: Oh yes. Otherwise I don't
think they are a really viable and creative
development. Another suggestion I thought might
* have some merit was to encourage the
denominational colleges to expand their residences
and teaching. This would  have provided residential
accommodation and centers of student life
independent of the University. Though the academic
offerings, other than in theology, would come under
the Senate for credit.
UBC REPORTS: One aspect of student unrest has
been the question of student representation on the
governing bodies of the University. UBC students
now have 12 representatives on the Senate. Do you
have any views on representation by students on the
Board of Governors of the University?
DR. MacKENZIE: I was never too concerned
about this problem. By the time the student has had
enough experience with University affairs, the
chances are he is preparing to leave. And I feel that
even a three-year term for the Board members elected
by Senate is almost too short for the individual
concerned to become familiar with the work of the
University and to give the kind of judgment to it that
is necessary.
The other thing is that students are here to study
and if they're going to be effective members of either
the Senate or the Board of Governors they have to be
prepared to give plenty of time. I'm not sure that you
should expect that of the students. Now that they
should be consulted, that they should be heard, that
their views about everything concerning the
University are important, there's no question about
UBC REPORTS: The faculty would claim that by
virtue of their position and continuing concern with
the University and the maintenance of academic
standards that they have a more important case for
representation on the Board.
DR. MacKENZIE: Well, they are more senior and
they're likely to be here longer. And if they're
prepared again to give the time from the preparation
of lectures or research or writing, there's no reason
why not. Except that they have, as it were, a vested
interest in salaries and promotions, and in the
departments and faculties to which they belong.
They're more likely to be subjective than objective on
such matters, human beings being what they are. I
think too that the members of the Board should
report to the University constituency, not to one
group of University constituents.
UBC REPORTS: What is your reaction to the
request that meetings of the Senate and the Board of
Governors be open to the public and the press?
DR. MacKENZIE: I think the result of this will
be that the things they're most interested in would
not   be   dealt   with   in   the   public   sessions.    In
government the real decisions are made in the
committees and cabinet, and not at public assemblies
and meetings. It's very difficult to conduct business
affairs in that kind of a situation.
UBC REPORTS: The more overt kinds of student
unrest have been a recent aspect of university
activities. From your objective and disinterested
position in retirement, what reactions have you had
to the kinds of things that have been going on at
universities in the last two or three years?
DR. MacKENZIE: Well, by and large, there's a
great deal of actual and latent idealism in student
action and activity. But, as always, there are
extremists and there are those who are more
concerned with transforming society than they are
with the ongoing work of existing institutions.
I suggest that the mass media have had and are
having a great deal of responsibility for this situation
for the simple reason that all human beings want
attention. And when they find they get more
attention by the kind of behavior that attracts TV
and radio reporters they're going to do it.
I'm not too surprised at what's happening,
particularly when many of this generation have lived
and operated in an affluent society. They haven't
really worried about what's going to happen to them
tomorrow, who's going to pay, who's going to feed
them, or where they're going to get their clothes and
such little income as they may need.
That wasn't true of the 1930s. This generation
hasn't been through a war or a depression. All they
have known is an expanding economy since they were
born, and that tends to create a very different
attitude from that of a person who rode the rods
without work and money during the depression.
I've always claimed that students are and should
be the number one group on the university campus.
Without them there would be no justification for the
university and in fact no university. The students,
because of their importance to the university, should
be considered and treated with great respect and their
opinions listened to. They should, where it's feasible,
be given the maximum responsibility for the conduct
of their own affairs and for advising and assisting in
the affairs of the University, subject to their
experience and knowledge. They're here to become
educated and part of the business of being educated is
to accept responsibility and to make mistakes and to
learn from trial and error. This can only be done if
they have a measure of responsibility for their own
UBC Reports/November 27; 1969/7 _^^ UBC ALUMNI    ■ ■
Alumni Fund volunteers get set to begin a telephone
canvass of prospective alumni donors. The
two-evening Phonathon netted an estimated $12,000,
which  will  put the Alumni  Fund well  on  its way
toward achieving its $250,000 target. UBC
administration building generously allowed the
alumni to use their facilities for the Phonathon.
Vancouver Sun Photo.
Campaign Nets $12,000
The UBC Alumni Fund recently took a big step
forward toward achieving its 1969 campaign goal of
$250,000. The step was taken through the annual
'Phonathon', a two-night telephone canvass of
prospective alumni donors which is estimated to have
raised more than $12,000.
On the evenings of Nov. 10 and 17, about 60
Alumni Fund volunteers manned the telephones in
the UBC Administration building. They contacted
close to 1,200 graduates who had not yet given to the
fund and 603 of them promised to seriously consider
supporting the fund.
"The Phonathon was most successful this year,"
said Murray McKenzie, Alumni Fund chairman. "If
our alumni follow through on their promises we
should receive in excess of $12,000, which is $1,000
more than the Phonathon netted last year. This
should put the campaign well into the home stretch."
Total donations to the Alumni Fund to date, not
including any proceeds from the Phonathon, amount
to $210,000.
The Alumni Fund 1969 campaign is now moving
into its final phase. Prior to the Phonathon all known
UBC alumni had been canvassed through a massive
mailing.   A  final   mailing will  go out in  December
urging alumni who have not yet given to get in the
Christmas spirit and make a gift. In addition, a mail
solicitation will go out to about 13,000 non-alumni
parents of students. A relatively new feature of the
campaign, this approach has had good results and is
expected to be very productive this year.
On another Alumni Fund matter, the contingency
fund section has lately been very active in providing
assistance to student activities. The contingency fund
provision, incidentally, was set up to provide quick
assistance to worthy University projects and has a
$5,000 allocation this year from the Alumni Fund.
A major grant of $1,500 has been made to the
Arts I program this year. It is intended to provide
additional resources to enable Arts I to do things it
might not otherwise have been able to do. The
Engineering Undergraduate Society was given a grant
of $250 to assist in combining the UBC Engineer and
The Slipstick into one new, improved publication.
And the Law Student Association was granted $525
to cover the cost of sending two delegates to a
University of Western Ontario faculty of law
conference last month on "Modern Lawyers and
Their Education."
Young Alumni
Club Grows
One of the most successful programs the UBC
Alumni Association has for keeping alumni in touch
with their University is the Young Alumni Club.
From a tiny beginning two years ago, the club has
attracted a membership to date of more than 1,000
people and it's still growing. Each Friday afternoon
members—students in their graduating year and grads
from off-campus—flock to Cecil Green Park for an
end-of-week social function.
The Young Alumni Club is nearing the end of a
successful fall 1969 program that contained some
new and well-received features. The most notable of
these were the specialty dinners and the live or taped
music that has been available for dancing on Friday
evenings. The club has lately mapped out an extensive
spring program that should continue to attract grads
back to campus.
After Christmas, the Friday evening social
functions will each have a theme. The event on Jan. 9
will, understandably, be a 'Holiday Recovery Party. J
And Feb. 6 will be 'New Zealand Day', celebrating
that country's National Day, while the function on
March 13 will be an 'Up The Irish Party.' The affair
on March 20 will be a 'French-Canadian Night',
featuring French cuisine.
Further information can be received by writing
Robert Johnson, Young Alumni Club president, c/o
UBC Alumni Association, 6251 N.W. Marine Drive,
Vancouver 8, or by phoning 228-3313.
Alumni Invited
To Mardi Gras {
UBC alumni are not being left out of the coming
annual Mardi Gras celebrations. The Mardi Gras
Committee has planned a Mardi Gras Alumnae Dinner
Dance for Jan. 31, 1970, and is inviting grads to make
up parties of their friends and to come out and relive
the traditional campus festival.
The formal dinner dance will be held in the Hotel
Vancouver and the cover charge will be under $25 per
couple, the final price depending on how many
people attend. It is planned to be an all-alumni affair
and the main attraction will be the famous Mardi
Gras Floor Show.
As before, Mardi Gras is being staged by UBC's
fraternities and sororities, with the proceeds going to
charity. This year, the proceeds are going to the B.C.
Paraplegics to enable them to complete a 'Mardi
Gras' House which was started with last year's
proceeds. The house is to serve as a half-way house
for paraplegics between the hospital and society.
The student Mardi Gras dance is to be held on
Friday, Jan. 30. A Mardi Gras bazaar will be held on
Thursday, Jan. 29, at the PNE Showmart Building. It
will take the form of a Gambling Night and auction
of mystery prizes, as well as the regular draw of raffle
Alumni interested in attending the Mardi Gras
dinner dance are urged to write Mrs. M. Coleclough,
ste. 320-2025 West Second Avenue, or phone
Volume 15, No. 25, Nov. 27,
1969. Published by the University of British Columbia and
distributed free. J.A. Banham,
Editor; Barbara Claghorn, Production Supervisor. Letters to the Editor
should be addressed to the Information Office,
UBC, Vancouver 8, B.C.


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