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[Meeting minutes of the Senate of The University of British Columbia] Jan 11, 1961

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 Wednesday, January 11, 1961  2923
A special meeting of the Senate of the University
"       of British Columbia was held on Wednesday, January llth,
1961, at 8:00 p.m., in the Board and Senate Room,
Administration Building, to consider the report of the
Committee on Ways and Means of Undertaking a Study of
Higher Education in this Province.
Present:  President N.A.M. MacKenzie (in the
Chair), Dean G.S. Allen, Dean G.C Andrew, Mr. W.M.
Armstrong, Mrs. T.R. Boggs, Mr. K.P. Caple, Mr. A.W.R.
Carrothers, Dean S.N.F. Chant, Mr. M. Collins, Dr. I.McT.
Cowan, Dean G.F. Curtis, Dean B.A. Eagles, Dr. G.R. Elliott,
Dr. W.H. Gaddes, Dean W.H. Gage, Dr. W.C. Gibson, Mr. B.C.
Gillie, Mr. C.C. Gourlay, Mr. G.C Hacker, Mr. J.N. Hyland,
,4        Dr. F.H. Johnson, Dr. J.E.A. Kania, Mr. J.S. Keate, Dr. J.L.
Keays, Mr. F.M. Knapp, Mr. L.J. Ladner, Mr. S.L. Lipson,
Dean H. McCrae, Dean J.F. McCreary, Dean A.W. Matthews, Mr.
F.A. Morrison, Dean D.M. Myers, Mr. N.T. Nemetz, Mr. E.P.
Nicol, Mr. H.N. Parrott, Dean G.N. Perry, Dr. A.J. Renney,
Dr. W. Robbins, Dr. W.N. Sage, Dean N.V. Scarfe, Dr. R.F.
Sharp, Dean G.M. Shrum, The Honourable Mr. Justice D.R.
Verchere, Mr. R.T.D. Wallace, Dr. R.W. Wellwood, Dr. D.M.
Whitelaw, Mr. H.C Wilkinson, Dr. S.H. Zbarsky, Dr. K.F.
Argue, Mr. J.F. McLean, Dean E.D. MacPhee, and the following
members of the Committee: Mr. N. Harlow, Dr. J.M. Mather
and Mr. G.R. Selman.
Messages of regret for their inability to be Wednesday, January 11, 1961 2924
present were received from Rev. J. Blewett, Mr. W.E. Ireland,
Mr. J.V. Rogers, Mrs. F.M. Ross, Dean F.H. Soward and Dr.
W.J. Anderson (a member of the Committee).
Introduction of Mr. W. L. Holland
On invitation from the Chairman, Mr. W. L. Holland
who had just taken up his post as Professor and Head of
Asian Studies attended the meeting briefly in order that the
President could introduce him to the members of Senate.
Report of the Committee on Ways and
Means of Undertaking a Study of
Higher Education in this Province
The report for discussion had been in the hands of
Senate members for the past month.  The Chairman stated that
Senate might decide whether a study of higher education
should or should not be made, and if it should, what the
nature of the study should be, and the terms of reference
and composition of the body making the study.  He then
called upon Dr. Robbins, as Chairman of the Committee
preparing the report, to speak to it.  Subsequent discussion
by members of Senate included the following points of view:
Many of the topics mentioned in the report are
presently under discussion by the Faculties, or
come within the scope of Faculty jurisdiction.
(Dean Shrum)
The Committee felt that if a study were undertaken,
it would be within the purview of the Faculties to
suggest the items they would prefer to review in
their own Faculties. (Dean Andrew)
The general question of higher education in the
province should be discussed by a joint committee
of University and the Department of Education, or Wednesday, January 11, 1961  292f
a royal commission. For a survey of internal
academic policy, three alternatives should be
considered: whether a Senate committee should make
the study, whether a Senate committee should work
in conjunction with a distinguished outsider in
the academic field, or whether a distinguished
outsider should be asked to conduct a survey.
(Mr. Nemetz)
The Senate is looked upon in this province as the
voice of education.  In the very near future the
Senate should make public announcement of its
recommendations as to such matters as senior
matriculation, community colleges, liberal arts
colleges, technical and vocational training,
et cetera. (Mr. Caple)
Some professional schools are members of
associations of colleges which work on accredited
standards, and have adopted their present curricula
after lengthy survey and debate. (Dean Matthews)
The Committee, if appointed, should have in its
terms of reference clear limitations as to its
scope of operations. Matters now under study by
the Faculties should not be deferred until a new
Committee has studied them.  It would also be
extremely difficult to find three or four senior
members of Faculty competent to undertake the
type of study envisaged, who would be prepared
to sacrifice their professional careers for the
length of time involved. (Dr. Cowan)
Referring to Mr. Caple's comments, it might
prove difficult to convince the people of British
Columbia that a group limited to professors
investigating their own establishment was the
most competent authority. (Dr. Gibson)
If a Royal Commission were appointed to study
higher education in British Columbia, the
University would be expected to submit a brief
to the commission. We as a Committee would have
difficulty defining the terms of reference for
such a commission at the present time, let alone
submitting any briefs. (Dean Andrew)
The various suggestions might perhaps be combined,
with a royal commission assessing the overall
picture and the fields that should be examined,
and directing groups within the University which
would make the detailed study. (Mr. Gillie) Wednesday, January 11, 1961  2926
The report suggests that a committee of five to
seven members, consisting of University personnel,
be set up to carry out this investigation.  As a
matter of principle I feel the committee should
include at least one senior business executive, a
representative of the high school teachers, and a
representative of the community at large. (Dr. Keays)
One of the original suggestions was a committee of
eleven members, half from the campus, and half
outsiders, including the Department of Education,
B. C. Teachers' Federation, business community and
professional community.  We eventually decided a
smaller committee restricted to university
personnel would reduce the time required for the
study. (Dr. Robbins)
If a committee is appointed, will submissions be
requested from interested outside groups?
(Mr. Ladner)
While it appears wise for internal matters of this
institution to be left exclusively to the Faculties,
it is urgent that at an early date the University
declare its policy on higher education apart from
the University of British Columbia on the Point
Grey campus. (Mr. Hacker)
In summary,the Chairman stated it seemed there were
possibilities of three or four different groups making
different kinds of study: (1) a royal commission or a body
under some other title but still commanding prestige, making
a study of higher education in the province, its organization,
administration, location, e_t cetera; (2) the Faculties
studying their internal problems, activities and organization;
(3) an appropriate body studying practical questions of
administrative and academic development, such as maximum
enrolment on this campus, possible decentralization of
Departments on the campus, inter-relationship of certain
aspects of university work (e.g. Medicine, Pharmacy, Nursing,
Social Work, Physical Education and student welfare), the Wednesday, January 11, 1961  2927
future of the Faculty of Arts and Science, possible
decentralization of library services.  For obvious reasons,
the members of the teaching staff are best qualified to
deal with problems of this nature.
Dean Gage  )
Dean Scarfe)
That the report of the Committee on Ways
and Means of Undertaking a Study of
Higher Education in the Province of
British Columbia be referred to the
Committee of Deans for recommendation to
Senate as to: what sections of the
report might be dealt with internally by
the Faculties or other appropriate units
of the University; what sections would
be worthy of study by other groups
appointed by Senate, with recommendations
as to how such a study should be made;
and what sections need not be or should
not be included in a study.
Carried.
The meeting adjourned at 9:40 p.m.
Chairman.1
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