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Array 8434.
Saturday,  May  25,  1985
A Special Meeting of the Senate of The University of British Columbia
was held on Saturday, May 25, 1985 at 9.00 a.m. in Room 102, George F.
Curtis Building.
Present: President pro tern. R. H. T. Smith (Chairman), Chancellor R. W.
Wyman, Acting Vice-President D. R. Birch, Dr. E. G. Auld, Dr. T. M. Ballard,
Mr. D. W. Barron, Dean G. S. Beagrie, Mr. J. M. Beard, Mrs. H. M. Belkin,
Mr. N. B. Benson, Mr. J. Blom, Dr. T. H. Brown, Dr. N. R. Bulley, Rev. P. C
Burns, Dean P. T. Burns, Dr. T. S. Cook, Ms. L. M. Copeland, Dr. J. D.
Dennison, Dr. D. Donaldson, Dr. A. J. Elder, Dr. J. A. S. Evans, Dean C. V.
Finnegan, Mr. H. J. Franklin, Mrs. E. D. Fulton, Dr. J. H. V. Gilbert,
Mr. G. C P. Gray, Mr. J. A. Hamilton, Mr. K. D. Hancock, Dr. M. A.
Hickling, Mr. S. H. Hill, Dr. K. J. Hoist i, Mrs. C J. R. Jillings,
Dr. R. F. Kelly, Dean R. W. Kennedy, Mr. A. C. Kimberley, Dr. J. P. Kimmins,
Mr. J. Kulich, Dr. D. S. Lirenman, Dean P. A. Lusztig, Mrs. A. Macdonald,
Acting Dean B. E. March, Dr. H. J. Matheson, Dr. B. C McBride, Mr. J. M.
McConville, Mr. D. Mclnnes, Acting Dean T. D. McKie, Mr. M. G. McMillan,
Dr. A. G. Mitchell, Mrs. G. E. Plant, Dr. D. F. Robitaille, Dr. E. S.
Schwartz, Dr. G. G. E. Scudder, Dr. L. de Sobrino, Dr. R. A. Spencer,
Dr. J. K. Stager, Dr. J. R. Stein, Dr. R. Stewart, Dean P. Suedfeld, Mr. M.
Sugimoto, Dr. P. R. Tennant, Dr. R. C Thompson, Dr. J. Vanderstoep,
Dean W. A. Webber, Dr. L. S. Weiler, Dean R. M. Will, Dr. D. LL. Williams,
Mr. J. A. Williamson, Dr. J. L. Wisenthal, Miss N. E. Woo, Mr. R. A.
Yaworsky.
Messages of regret for their inability to attend were received from
Ms.   P.   M.   Arthur,   Dr.   J.   Gaskell,   Mrs.   D.   Jones,   Mr.   S.   R.   Pearce,   Dr.   A.
Van Seters,  Dean L. M. Wedepohl.
Budget 1985-86
In calling Senate to order, the Chairman noted that this special meeting
was extraordinary for several reasons, the most compelling of which was that
Senate was being asked to consider and vote upon recommendations to be
presented by the Acting Vice-President, Academic, Dr. D. R. Birch, for the
discontinuance of units and programs. 8435.
Saturday,  May  25,  1985
Budget 1985-86    (continued)
The following memoranda had been circulated for information:
"To:        Senate
From:    Robert H.  T.  Smith,  President pro tern.
The University faces a financial problem of the gravest proportions.
This problem and its solution have preoccupied the campus community
during much of the last six months.
At the Special Meeting of Senate to be held on Saturday, May 25, 1985
the Acting Vice-President, Academic, Dr. Daniel R. Birch, will be
presenting to Senate a number of initiatives and recommendations which
are designed to enable the University to cope with its financial
shortfall.
For many years Senate has generally been asked to approve new academic
initiatives. None of us, I am sure, look forward with any pleasure to
the discontinuance of units or programs, and the impact of the
recommendations Senate will be asked to consider is substantial.
However, the financial problems of the University must be squarely
faced. As a matter of law, the University may not incur a deficit.
Equally importantly the negative effect of the prevailing malaise will
only increase if action is not taken. I am confident that in such
trying circumstances Senate will give careful and responsible
consideration to the proposals that will be brought before it.
I attach two memoranda which will,  I trust, be of interest to Senate.
The first memorandum is one to me from the Acting Vice-President,
Academic, Dr. Daniel R. Birch. In it he draws my attention to the
possibility that the approval of some of the recommendations on the
discontinuance of units or programs may lead to the involuntary
termination of appointments. If that should happen I am sure that, as
he suggests, the University will act fairly and responsibly.
The second memorandum is from the Vice-President, Administration and
Finance, Mr. A. B. Gellatly. It summarizes the University's current
financial position, and will provide Senate with essential background to
the recommendations it will consider at its special meeting."
"To:        Dr.  R.  H.  T.  Smith,  President pro tern.
From:    Dr.  Daniel R.  Birch,  Acting Vice-President,  Academic
The recommendations concerning programs and courses that I will present
to Senate at the Special Meeting called for Saturday, May 25, 1985 have
serious implications for the University. A substantial portion of the
savings will be accomplished through attrition and early termination
agreements already concluded. I am sure additional savings will be
generated through the voluntary means on which you place a high
priority.      Indeed,   some   of   the   faculty   members   affected   will   almost 8436.
Saturday, May 25,  1985
Budget 1985-86    (continued)
certainly have other career options. Nevertheless, one implication is
the possibility of the termination of appointments. (This matter does
not, of course, fall within the purview of Senate.) You are as much
concerned about this possibility as I am, and I know that it is not
really necessary to draw it specifically to your attention. I do,
however, think it essential to stress that it is of the utmost
importance that the University should deal fairly and responsibly with
anyone whose appointment it may be necessary to terminate. I am sure
that you, as President, and the Board of Governors are prepared to
provide strong assurance on this matter."
"To:        Robert H.  T.  Smith,  President pro tern.
From:    A. Bruce Gellatly,  Vice-President,   Administration and Finance
Re:        Financial Situation as of May 17,  1985
1. As of March 31, 1985, the University had an operating deficit of
$1,044,000 which, when set against the surplus carried forward from
1983-84 of $1,074,000, left an unappropriated operating fund balance
of $30,000 on March 31,   1985.
2. The provincial operating grant for the year commencing April 1, 1985
was $163,093 million, which was 95% of the 1984-85 operating grant -
a reduction of $8,584 million. (The University Adjustments Program
funds, $14.9 million for the three universities, is non-recurring
money; to date, the Universities Council had indicated its intention
of allocating $6.25 million of this amount to UBC.)
3. Anticipated income from other-than-grant courses for the year
commending April 1, 1985 is $42,149 million, of which almost 80% is
tuition fee revenue.
4. The total income anticipated for 1985-86 is $205,242 million (item 2
+ 3).
5. Budgeted expenses in 1984-85 were $212,342 million. Anticipated
expenses for 1985-86 include this amount, plus unavoidable (e.g.
utility rates, mandatory benefits contributions, etc.) additional
expenses of $2,244 million for a total of $214,586.
6. Thus, expenses exceed income (without considering salary increases,
forexample) by $9,344 million.
7. Reductions totalling $2,454 million in the budgets of the
Vice-President, Academic (in the non-Faculty areas) and of the
Vice-President, Administration and Finance have already been
identified.
8. The difference between items 6 and 7 is $6.89 million, the balance of
the shortfall for which sources must yet be identified." 8437.
Saturday, May 25,  1985
Budget 1985-86    (co nt inued)
At the request of Senate Mr. A. Bruce Gellatly, Vice-President of
Administration and Finance, had been invited to attend the meeting to
comment on the University's financial situation. Mr. Gellatly drew Senate's
attention to item 1 in his memorandum to Dr. R. H. T. Smith, President pro
tern. He stated that the unappropriated operating fund balance of $30,000 on
March 31, 1985 had been a preliminary figure and that the final figure was
$14,000.
Mr. Gellatly further stated that for 1985-86 the important points on the
income side are that the Provincial grant has been cut by 5%, or $8.6
million, and that the University's income was reduced from $210 million to
$205 million, about a $5 million reduction, and that was after taking into
account a 10% tuition fee increase.
Referring to item 2. Mr. Gellatly stated that it was important to note
that the Faculty Adjustment Fund ($5.5 million of the $6.25 million) was
being made available to assist Universities to adjust their faculty and
staff complements and that it was not an open fund to be used entirely at
the University's discretion. He stated that Senate should also know that
the President must submit a statement of academic planning goals and
objectives to the Universities Council for its consideration before funds
are released. In addition the University will be required at the end of the
year to account to Council for precisely how it has spent the funds.
As far as the $2.2 million additional expenses mentioned in item 5. is
concerned, Mr. Gellatly explained that this includes benefit rate increases
of $600,000, utility rate increases of $460,000, and $324,000 to cover the
servicing of  such items  as the Student  Union Building,  the Medical Research 8438.
Saturday, May 25,  1985
Budget 1985-86    (continued)
Building at Shaughnessy Hospital and the Pulp and Paper Research building
which will probably be opening in August. The Senate Budget Committee felt
strongly that the non-salary inflation factor relating to the non-salary
component of the budget should have some allowance for inflation. An amount
of approximately $800,000, or 4%, for inflation, was therefore included,
bringing the total anticipated expenses for 1985-86 to $214,586 million.
Mr. Gellatly stated that cost reductions in non-Faculty units amounting to
$2,454 million had also been proposed so that at this point total
expenditures amounted to $212 million, with a total income of $205 million
leaving a deficit of $7 million.
Mr. Gellatly concluded his remarks by noting that the cost of $1.9
million arising from arrangements already in place for voluntary early
termination of appointments are not included in any of the figures because
of the government's indication that it may provide funds for such
commitments independent of operating grants for 1985/86.
Following considerable discussion of the financial situation the
Chairman called upon the Acting Vice-President, Academic, Dr. Birch, to
speak to the report containing recommendations for program discontinuance.
After making general observations about the context and nature of the
process leading to the recommendations, Dr. Birch drew Senate's attention to
the memorandum he had addressed to the President and particularly to the
serious consequences of the recommendations. Dr. Birch then made the
following comments about the Faculties for which there were no specific
recommendations. 8439.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
Faculty of Science
The reduction identified for the budget of the Faculty of Science was
$375,000. It did not have any specific program reductions attached to it.
The response of the Dean of Science to the letter from the Vice-President,
Academic to particular questions that were raised included a number of
elements that enabled the issues to be dealt with without program
elimination. Specifically, in the Faculty of Science there are areas of
extreme over-enrolment and some areas where the student-faculty ratios are
generous by general university standards. Three particular areas in the
Faculty of Science were identified as standing out among all the programs in
the Faculty in terms of the student/faculty ratio being more favourable.
Those were Botany, Geophysics and Astronomy, and Oceanography. The scale of
the discrepancy was a matter of concern. It was not being suggested that
all units in the University or even within a Faculty have the same teaching
load and the same kind of ratio between students and faculty regardless of
the subject matter or pedagogical tradition. However, the discrepancies
between those areas on the one hand and areas such as Computer Science,
where probably the most extreme situation in the University exists in terms
of the inability to put the teaching resources into the Department that
would relate appropriately to the actual teaching involvement, was a matter
of concern. The response of the Faculty of Science has been to recognise
that there are often high enrolments for courses for which expertise exists
not solely in a Department within which a course is housed, and the Faculty
has therefore encouraged the re-assigning of faculty members from areas of
relatively low enrolment to teach courses that have high enrolment and are
in high demand.  That strategy has been a major element in addressing the 8440.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
Faculty of Science (continued)
concerns that were raised by the Vice-President, Academic. The $375,000
reduction will be accomplished through voluntary early termination of
appointments already agreed upon.
Faculties of Law, Foresty, and Pharmaceutical Sciences
No substantial budget reduction is being recommended for the Faculties
of Law, Foresty, and Pharmaceutical Sciences at the present time. In each
case the Faculty is relatively small, and the fundamental question, as with
Departments and programs in larger Faculties, was, "Is this University going
to continue to be in this field?" That question was addressed in every
case. Clearly, the scale of resources continues to be under review.
Faculty of Medicine
A number of specific questions had been raised and addressed. These did
not result in a recommendation for any specific program reduction or
discontinuance. It was not felt that those units about which questions had
been raised in the Faculty of Medicine should be recommended for
discontinuance although the Faculty of Medicine represents a very large and
diverse faculty and a substantial part of the University's academic budget.
The Dean was asked to address the question of the adjustments required to
accomplish a reduction of $1. million over three years, weighted toward the
early part of those three years rather than later, and with the advice of
the Senate Budget Conmittee it was suggested that one possibility would be
for the Faculty to limit enrolment. Faced with a $1 million reduction it
was unlikely that the Faculty would be able to continue to increase its
enrolment even though British Columbia provides fewer seats in its Medical
School for students per capita than any other Province in Canada. 8441.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
Faculty of Medicine (continued)
Dr. Birch invited Dean Webber to comment on the situation in the Faculty
of Medicine.
Dean Webber stated that in the light of concerns expressed about
possible program discontinuance of some of the critical programs that
provide manpower in British Columbia for key areas such as Rehabilitation
Medicine and Audiology & Speech Sciences, he wished to inform Senate that in
the planning done to date he did not anticipate any recommendation for the
discontinuance or reduction of those particular programs.
Faculty of Arts
The Dean of Arts was asked to consider a list of programs that could
possibly be discontinued or reduced in scope. After dealing with an
extensive response prepared by the Department Heads and the Dean, the
question of priorities in that Faculty and the exact manner in which the
reduction will be effected has not yet been settled. It is expected that
the Faculty of Arts will not be able to continue doing everything on the
same scale that it has done in the past. If, after a further review of
priorities in that Faculty, there are decisions that entail curriculum
change, program discontinuance, enrolment limitation, all of which fall
within the purview of Senate, those matters will return to Senate in the
form of recommendations.
Faculty of Applied Science
There are no specific recommendations before Senate at this time but
there is some information about anticipated sources of budget reduction in
the Faculty of Applied Science. 8442.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
Faculty of Applied Science (continued)
The School of Architecture has some very great strengths and traditions. It
is also recognised that if it is going to achieve the kind of stature to
which it aspires, it is going to need more resources than can be currently
allocated to it. In the short run there is to be a modest reduction with
the hope that at some point in the future the program may be strengthened
through the allocation of new resources.
The School of Nursing has been asked to prepare a plan for accommodating
a budget reduction of 25%. This will necessitate some program changes. It
was felt that the planning should not be too severely constrained by
specific recommendations at this point. However, in order to maintain
excellence on a reduced scale it is proposed that, prior to entering
Nursing, greater reliance be put on work done elsewhere in the University.
At least half of those who enter the basic program in Nursing now already
have a year or more of University work and quite a number of them have
another degree but it is anticipated that additional academic work prior to
admission to Nursing would become a requirement. The basic program in
Nursing, the four year B.S.N, program, will be revised accordingly. In all
probability its enrolment will be limited and quite possibly the enrolment
in the two year post R.N. program increased, shifting the balance between
those two programs.
In the discussion that followed concern was expressed that specific
recommendations had not been presented for some Faculties. 8443.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
Dr. Spencer made the following comments on what he considered to be the
broader context of the recommendations:
"I believe that as we sit here contemplating significant cuts at this
University we should not forget that the real engine which is driving this
process is not the Administration or the Universities Council, it is the
decisions taken by the Provincial Government as to how they should
allocate the funds that they have available. The revenues for the
Provincial Government will be 5% higher in 1985/86 compared to 1984/85.
They will be 11.2% higher in 1985/86 than they were in 1983/84. During
that time the operating grant at this University has declined by 10%. It
is quite clear that the Provincial Government is not asking us to respond
to a temporary financial problem which confronts them, they are, as the
Vice-President said, asking for a smaller university. I certainly
acknowledge that the Provincial Government has the right to make that
decision although I would urge Senators to reflect upon whether it seems
to them to be the right decision. Certainly it seems to me to be the
wrong decision. I cannot believe that it makes sense for any Province to
cut expenditures on education in the way that it has at the same time that
it is increasing expenditures on, for example, transport and
communications, which I presume includes such things as highway
construction, by 34.3% or $258,000,000. I know Mr. Chairman that this is
not the place to argue the merits of the Provincial Budget and I do not
intend to go any further than saying that, but I do believe that as we sit
here making decisions that will affect the future of this University that
we should not do that without being aware of the real reasons why we are
doing that. I have a further comment which relates to the way in which
the Provincial Government has handled this matter. There have already
been criticisms of the process and procedure which we are using to arrive
at these cuts. Certainly I share some of the concerns that have already
been expressed but again I think it is only fair to say that the real
reason we find ourselves in this position, that is to say having to
address criticism of the Administration and some of those committees which
have been involved, is because we have not been given adequate time in
which to make this readjustment. As I said, I do not believe we should be
making the readjustment but that is, of course, a valid political
decision. What is not valid, in my opinion, and what cannot possibly be
defended is for the Provincial Government to bring down a budget in March
asking this University and other universities in the Province to make this
kind of reduction for a fiscal year which begins on April the 1st. I
think that is irresponsible, I think it is wrong and I do not believe that
this meeting should conclude without in some way expressing our
frustration and our conviction that this is not the way in which the
down-sizing of an institution like a university should be undertaken. A
university must make long-term commitments to students, faculty and to the
programs that it undertakes. You cannot turn these things on and off like
water coming out of a tap and in my view I think it is irresponsible of
the Provincial Government to expect this University to plan in that way.
We are not even sure, if I understand the comments of Vice-President Birch
correctly, exactly how the bridging funds will be made available and
whether in fact we have three years to accomplish this down-sizing. It may 8444.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
Dr. Spencer's comments (continued)
well be, I certainly have heard no clear statement to the contrary, that
although we are planning on the basis that we have three years to achieve
some of these reductions, it may be that next year we will be asked to cut
another 5%. I think the absence of a clear policy is inexcusable."
Dean Webber     ) That Dr. Spencer's remarks be paraphrased
Chancellor Wyman ) and sent to the Minister of Universities,
Science and Communications and the Premier
over the signatures of the President and
the Chancellor.
Carried unanimously
Dr. Birch then presented the specific recommendations for program
discontinuance and related organizational change.
FACULTY OF AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES
Landscape Architecture
Dr. Birch       ) That the Bachelor of Landscape Architecture
Dr. Scudder     ) Program be discontinued.
Dr. Birch stated that it would probably not be feasible to maintain the
program once a decision had been made to discontinue it, although it was
the University's intention to attempt to maintain the program in order to
see the current students through to completion. However, it was felt that
if the motion passed, faculty members in this field, who would certainly
have other professional and academic options, might not be prepared to
stay for the winding down of the program to see students through. If that
were the case the University would likely be unable to deliver on a
commitment to allow students to complete the program in which they were
enrolled.
In the discussion that followed many members were of the opinion that
the program should not be discontinued. It was felt that it was an
important, academically sound program and that students graduating from
the program were in demand in terms of hiring. Representatives of the
Faculties of Applied Science and Forestry spoke in support of maintaining
the program. 8445.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
FACULTY OF AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES
Landscape Architecture (continued)
Acting Dean March spoke strongly in support of maintaining the program
and stated that the arguments presented by the Acting Vice-President,
Academic, for the program's discontinuance were not very convincing. The
fact that additional resources had been requested in order to expand the
program was not, she felt, a reason to deny its existence.
In response to queries as to what would happen to those students
currently enrolled if the program were to be discontinued, Acting Dean
March stated that it seemed most unlikely that they could be accommodated
in programs elsewhere. Four universites had been approached regarding the
possible transfer of students from a discontinued B.L.A. program at
U.B.C; the universities of Washington, Oregon, Toronto and Guelph. The
University of Oregon would accommodate students given its open-door
policy. Tuition fees are approximately $5,500 Canadian per year. The
University of Washington stated flatly that no students could be
accommodated for 1985/86. Both the universities of Toronto and Guelph
also have limited enrolment but say that they might be able to accommodate
a limited number of students provided U.B.C. were able to compensate them
for the additional administrative and sessional lecturer costs which could
amount to $30,000 or $40,000. In all instances U.B.C. students would be
required to spend a minimum of two years at these institutions prior to
receiving their degree. For a number of students, therefore, this would
add up to one additional full year of their academic program with
associated costs and loss of potential employment income.
Following a lengthy discussion the motion was put and lost. 8446.
Saturday,  May  25,  1985
FACULTY OF AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES
Agricultural Mechanics    (continued)
Dr. Birch )    That the undergraduate and graduate
Chancellor Wyman    )    program in Agricultural Mechanics be
discontinued and that the Department
of Agricultural Mechanics be renamed
the Department of Bio-Resource Engineering.
Dr.   Birch  pointed  out   that   the   Department   had   two   names;   Agricultural
Mechanics,   following  from its original establishment as the  Department of
Farm  Mechanics   in  the   1940's,   and   Bio-Resource   Engineering  as  a  program
within  the   Faculty   of   Applied   Science.     The  Department  is  budgetarily   in
Agricultural  Sciences.     There  are  currently   ten  master's  degree students
enrolled   in   the   master's   program   in    Agricultural   Mechanics    (an   M.Sc.
program   in   Agriculture)   distinct   from   the   Master   of    Applied   Science
degrees in Bio-Resource Engineering.     The intent  of this motion is not to
discontinue graduate work in  Agriculture in the  Department but to have the
one name,  Bio-Resource Engineering,   apply both to the programs offered in
Applied Science and to the graduate program in the  Faculty of  Agricultural
Sciences   and   to   discontinue   the   undergraduate   program   in   Agricultural
Mechanics.
Speaking in support of the proposal Acting Dean March stated that
Agricultural Mechanics was offered in other universities and that if
students wanted this particular program they could begin two years of
studies at U.B.C. and thereafter transfer to the University of Alberta.
As far as the Master's program in Bio-Resource Engineering was concerned,
however, this was important to Agricultural Sciences because they have
students that are not engineers but who are interested in certain aspects
of research in this area.
The motion was put and carried unanimously. 8447.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
FACULTY OF AGRICULTURAL SCIENCES (continued)
Poultry Science and Animal Science
Dr. Birch      ) That the Department of Poultry Science
Chancellor Wyman ) and the Department of Animal Science be
discontinued as separate administrative
units, and that the faculty, programs and
students in the departments be transferred
to a new Department of Animal Science.
Dr. Birch stated that this would provide a combined and coherent home
for work in the two traditional fields and for the emergence of work that
is currently going on in aquaculture.  He did not expect the dissolution
of the two departments to become effective until the selection of a
Department l-fead for the new Department of Animal Science had been
completed.
The motion was put and carried.
Diploma in Agricultural Sciences
Dr. Birch )    That the Diploma in Agricultural Sciences
Acting Dean March  )    be discontinued.
Dr.  Birch explained that there was a time,  particularly in the immediate
post-war period,  when many mature  students interested in farming came into
the Faculty.    They did not take the full slate of basic science courses or
other   courses   elsewhere   in   the   University   but   took   a   two-year   program
which  at  that   time  was  called  the   Occupational Program and  later became
the  Diploma  in  Agricultural  Sciences.     The program has  not  been anything
other   than   an   entry   in   the    Calendar   for   a   number   of   years   and   was
therefore being recommended for discontinuance.
The motion was put and carried.
FACULTY OF COMMERCE AND BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
Licentiate in Accounting
Dr.  Birch )    TI
Chancellor Wyman    )    Accounting 6e discontinued
Dr. Birch )    That the degree of Qcentiate in
n    ) 8448.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
FACULTY OF COMMERCE AND BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION
Licentiate in Accounting' (continued)
Dr. Birch stated that it was with some reluctance that the Licentiate in
Accounting Program was being recommended for discontinuance. However, due
to lack of resources and the loss of faculty the Faculty can no longer
offer this program.  Entry to the two year program was suspended in
1984/85 and, therefore, all 1984/85 students were in second year and have
just completed their program of studies.
The motion was put and carried.
FACULTY OF DENTISTRY
Dental Hygiene
Dr. Birch      ) That the Diploma Program in Dental Hygiene be
Chancellor Wyman ) discontinued.
Dr. Birch stated that the program was unique in the Province and that it
was a program of indisputable quality in preparing dental hygienists for
an increasingly important role as the best educated group of dental
auxiliaries.  However, the diploma program was not central to the
activities of the Faculty of Dentistry.  It was hoped, however, that the
service would remain available within the Province and to that end
preliminary consultations had taken place with the Ministry of Education.
Officials in the Ministry had in turn had consultations with the senior
administration in another post-secondary institution. This is intended to
be a program transfer and if it is accomplished it will be as a program
transfer.  The reason that more specific comments are not available about
accommodation of the program or the institution that will receive it is
that, pending resolution of the motion before Senate, Ministry officials
were reluctant to approach the governing board of another institution
though they have assurance of support from the administration there.
There  is  every  expectation  that  a  continuing  collaborative 8449.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
FACULTY OF DENTISTRY
Dental Hygiene (continued)
relationship would be maintained between the Faculty of Dentistry and the
program were it to exist in another institution.
In bringing the recommendation forward Dr. Birch stated that he had
undertaken to make Senate aware that the University had been approached by
the President of the College of Dental Surgeons who had put the concerns
of the Oollege in writing expressing great concern about the moving of the
program to a college on the grounds that 1) the U.B.C program is
acknowledged to be the finest in Canada and there is no assurance that
academic standards will remain the same; 2) there is no physical facility
available in the Province (we have been assured that appropriate physical
facilities will be provided and that the Faculty of Dentistry would assist
and co-operate in transfer of equipment); 3) annual operating costs at a
community college would be higher (we do not know the grounds for this
statement) and 4) the chronic shortage of dental hygienists requires an
expansion of training facilities rather than a decrease.
Dr. Birch assured Senate that his recommendation was supported by the
advice of the Senate Budget Committee.
In speaking to the motion Dean Beagrie stated that there was no doubt
about the uniqueness of the program in that it was the only one in British
Columbia. He stated that it had full accreditation through the
accrediting mechanism of the Canadian Dental Association, and that all of
the graduates are employed within B.C. and elsewhere in Canada. The
profession would like to see at least double the number of dental
hygienists prepared to serve the community of British Columbia. 8450.
Saturday, May 25,  1985
FACULTY OF DENTISTRY
Dental Hygiene    (continued)
Dean   Beagrie   referred   to   the   possibility   that   in   due   course   a   B.Sc.
program   in   Dental   Hygiene   may   be   established   and   stated   that   it   was
unfortunate that this had not yet happened.
In conclusion Dean Beagrie stated that he would like to be assured that
if the program were to be transferred, the profession as well as the
Ministries concerned would be given the opportunity to negotiate with
representatives of the Faculty of Dentistry.
In response to concerns expressed, Dr. Birch stated that it was the
intention that the capacity of this Province for preparing dental
hygienists not be impaired by a transfer but it would be difficult for
another institution to offer an environment as academically and
professionally rich as UBC.
In speaking against the motion Dr. Donaldson claimed that if the program
were to be cut, one-third of the student manpower in the Faculty of
Dentistry clinic would be lost. Income would therefore decrease by
one-third (about $130,000 in the coming year) and this, together with a
loss in fees, would amount to approximately $190,000. It was difficult to
see where the savings would be made.
Dr. Scudder commented that in arriving at the recommendation to
discontinue the Dental Hygiene program the Senate Budget Committee based
its judgement on the criteria approved by Senate for program
discontinuance and not on budget issues.
Dr. Birch stated that Senate's action, even though initiated by fiscal
circumstances,  was to vote on the academic merits.    He further stated that 8451.
Saturday, May 25, 1985
FACULTY OF DENTISTRY
Dental Hygiene (continued)
there were three faculty positions associated with the program and that
the elimination of those and related expenses would reduce the budget
expenditure in that area.
Several members expressed concern at the lack of sufficient assurance
that transfer and protection of the students would be adequate. Members
felt that it was particularly important to have that assurance in terms of
the community's needs.
After further dicussion the motion was put and carried.
Dr. Sobrino     ) That Senate recommend to the Board of
Mr. McConville   ) Governors that it urge the Provincial
Government to make every effort to find
another institution within British Columbia
to which the program in Dental Hygiene could
be transferred.
Carried
FACULTY OF EDUCATION
Bachelor of Recreation Education Program
Dr. Birch      ) That the Bachelor of Recreation Education
Chancellor Wyman ) program be discontinued.
Dr. Birch stated that the Bachelor of Recreation Education program was a
program that operates with an enrolment of approximately 100 or more
students in its four years.  He stated that it was not a highly
specialized program and that graduates were frequently employed in
recreation related positions.  Referring to the one remaining faculty
member associated with the program, Dr. Birch stated that there had been
considerable attrition due to various causes, medical disability,
non-renewal of appointments and the acceptance of positions elsewhere.
The School of Physical Education and Recreation had defended the existence 8452.
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FACULTY OF EDUCATION
Bachelor of Recreation Education Program (continued)
of the program though not on the grounds of its past academic performance
but primarily because of the future importance to society.  The Director
of the School had indicated that this was an area which needed revision
and academic strengthening of the quality of scholarship and research
activities.
As far as uniqueness of the program was concerned, Dr. Birch stated that
there were recreation oriented programs at other institutions in the
Province such as the B.A. in Leisure Studies at the University of Victoria.
Dr. Dennison spoke in favour of retaining the program and felt that
through a reallocation of resources in the School the recreation program
could be strengthened and retained. He felt that it was appropriate for
the University to offer such a program but that it did need strengthening.
In response to a query Dean Birch stated that at the present time 10
students were enrolled in first year, 24 in second year, 39 in third year
and 28 in the fourth year. He stated that it was the University's
intention that the students currently enrolled in the program would be
able to complete their degree, should they proceed in a timely way.
As had been agreed, the meeting adjourned at 4.15 p.m. The Chairman
reminded members of Senate that discussion of the proposals would continue
on Monday, May 27, 1985 at 7.00 p.m.

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