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[Meeting minutes of the Senate of The University of British Columbia] 1963-01-30

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 Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3213
A special meeting of the Senate of the University
of British Columbia was held on Wednesday, January 30, 1963,
at 8:00 p.m., in the Board and Senate Room, Administration
Building, for a discussion of the report by President
J. B. Macdonald "Higher Education in British Columbia and
a Plan for the Future".
Present:  President J.B. Macdonald (in the Chair),
Chancellor Phyllis G. Ross, Mrs. H.F. Angus, Mr. W.M.
Armstrong, Dr. J.C Berry, Rev. J. Blewett, Mrs. T.R. Boggs,
Mr. F.L. Burnham, Mr. K.P. Caple, Dean S.N.F. Chant,
Mr. M. Collins, Dr. I. McT. Cowan, Dean G.F. Curtis,
Mr. A.P. Dawe, Dean B.A. Eagles, Dr. G.R. Elliott, Dean
W.H. Gage, Rev. E. Garvey, Dr. W.C Gibson, Mr. C.C Gourlay,
Mr. G.C. Hacker, Dr. W.H. Hickman, Mr. W. Ireland, Dr. R.D.
James, Dr. F.H. Johnson, Dr. J.E.A. Kania, Mr. J.S. Keate,
Mr. F.M. Knapp, Mr. L.J. Ladner, Dean S.W. Leung, Mr. S.L.
Lipson, Dean H. McCrae, Dean J.F. McCreary, Dr. J.R. Mcintosh,
Dr. M.M. Maclntyre, Dr. A.D. McKenzie, Dr. H. McLennan,
Dean A.W. Matthews, Mr. F.A. Morrison, Dean D.M. Myers,
Mr. N.T. Nemetz, Mr. E.P. Nicol, Mr. H.N. Parrott, Dean
G.N. Perry, Dr. A.J. Renney, Dr. W. Robbins, Dean N.V. Scarfe,
Dr. R.F. Sharp, Dean F.H. Soward, Rev. W.S. Taylor,
Mr. E.C.E. Todd, The Honourable Mr. Justice D.R. Verchere,
Dr. G.M. Volkoff, Dr. R.W. Wellwood, Dean T.G. Wright,
Dr. J.K. Friesen and Mr. J.F. McLean.
Messages of regret for their inability to be
present were received from Mr. C.A. Emery, Dr. J.L. Keays, Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3214
Mr. R. Loffmark, Dean E.D. MacPhee, Mr. D.F. Miller,
Mr. J.V. Rogers, Mr. A.A. Webster and Dr. S.H. Zbarsky.
Distribution of the Report
At the meeting of Senate on December 12, 1962,
the President had stated that, following approval by the
Board of Governors for the release of his report on Higher
Education in British Columbia, he-proposed to send copies
to members of Senate and of Victoria College Council on a
confidential basis a few days in advance of meetings of
those bodies to discuss the report. The Board of Governors
had decided that the report should be released to all special
groups and the public at the same time, and the date finally
selected for this purpose was January 28th.
Public Reaction
The President stated that public reaction to the
report had been extraordinarily favourable.
He pointed out that the projected costs for 1970
should be considered in relation to the projected population
of British Columbia at that time (2,250,000), and the
increase in the gross provincial product.
Okanagan College
The President referred to the recommendation in
his report that one of the first regional colleges
established should be in the Okanagan Valley. While he had
suggested a location near the city of Kelowna, he emphasized Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3215
that the college was designed to serve the entire Valley,
and should be thought of, and referred to, as Okanagan
College rather than Kelowna. Newspapers, radio and
television stations in the Okanagan Valley had accepted
this name, and the President asked members of Senate to
follow suit in referring to the proposed college.
Victoria College
The President had recommended in his report that
Victoria College should have the privilege of becoming an
independent degree-granting college.  He considered the
title of "college" appropriate to an institution offering
an undergraduate programme in liberal arts, sciences, and
teacher training. The term "university" on the North
American continent implied a group of schools, including
professional fields as well as a graduate programme.
However, he believed that Victoria College should be given
the privilege of changing its title to University if it so
The President had been invited to meet with the
Minister of Education early in February to assist him in
respect to legislation concerning independent status for
Victoria College. Dean Curtis was reviewing the University
Act in regard to its modification to a general act applying
to all universities and four-year colleges in British
Columbia. Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3216
Acceptance of the Report
The Board of Governors, at a special meeting on
January 18th, had accepted the report as the policy of the
Board of Governors of this University.  The Committee of
Academic Deans had also reviewed and endorsed the report.
The Premier had stated publicly that he was in favour of
the report, and had indicated that his Government was
prepared to provide the provincial share of the costs
involved in its implementation.
Basis of Cost Sharing for
Higher Education
In reply to a question on his recommendations as
to division of costs for higher education, the President
stated his belief that in the case of regional (two-year)
colleges, the region should pay one-third and the
provincial government two-thirds of capital costs; the
students in their fees should pay one-quarter of the
operating costs, the local government one-quarter, the
provincial and federal governments the other half.  The
school district in which the college was located might be
expected to pay a higher mill rate in local taxes than the
adjoining districts served by the same college. He
commended the proposal of the Revelstoke School Board that
the people of Revelstoke should provide residences for
their students in association with the regional college
closest to them. Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3217
Mr. Hacker expressed the fear that the areas with
regional colleges would feel that they were being asked to
assume a double tax burden not borne by areas with four-year
colleges. These areas with regional colleges might at the
same time have lower revenue from industry.
The President replied that a study in the United
States indicated that in the majority of cases, local
governments participated in the costs of institutions
established there, and felt pride in their "ownership" of
the institution. He had asked School Boards and Municipal
Councils in British Columbia whether their communities would
be willing to share in costs, and all tout one had felt this
would be acceptable.
Mr. Ireland pointed out that part of the cost to
the individual community for a regional college would have
been borne in the past for Senior Matriculation, and part
represented the cost of additional offerings in the college
which the School Board might have had to assume in any case.
Another factor reducing the apparent additional local tax
was the economic benefit to the community as a result of
the college.
Dr. Sharp complimented the President on an
excellent report, and expressed his appreciation that it
included reference to institutions of post-secondary
education, and provision for adult education, other than
academic training at a university. He commended also the
emphasis on excellence as a goal, and the recommendation Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3218
for the establishment of both four-year and two-year
colleges in the Province.
In respect to costs of higher education, Dr. Sharp
commented that the Vancouver School Board operated a
Vocational Institute and an Art School, and had this year
initiated an adult education programme in King Edward School.
Despite financial assistance from the Provincial Government,
the share borne by the taxpayers of Vancouver was very high.
Although the report envisaged the rapid development
of King Edward School to a two-year college, it made no
provision for capital expenditure.  Dr. Sharp stated that a
large building programme would be necessary to provide space
and facilities for an additional year.  He felt part of the
cost of this should be borne by the provincial government,
as it would be for a regional college serving more than one
community.  The President indicated that this was his
intention in the proposed cost-sharing formula.
Dr. James inquired where adequately trained staff
would be obtained for the regional colleges in the next few
years. The President felt this was the most crucial
problem, and the justification for regarding the situation
with respect to higher education as an emergency.  He
thought this should be treated as a national problem.
Okanagan College
In referring to Mr. Hacker's remarks on double
taxation, Mr. Dawe stated that Kelowna would welcome local Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3219
responsibility for the Okanagan College since it would have
more sense of ownership than if funds were provided
entirely from government sources. A small increase in mill
rate for taxation, particularly if it were shared by all
Okanagan communities, would be compensated by the advantage
of a regional college. Financial problems of regional
colleges in the State of Washington did not apply in British
Columbia, where both provincial and federal grants were
Mr. Dawe felt that Municipal Councils should be
represented on the governing boards of regional colleges,
at least to the same extent as the School Boards, since the
Councils assumed much greater responsibility for fund
Mrs. Angus, while supporting the proposal that
Municipal Councils be represented on college boards, stated
that not all School Boards could be charged with lack of
concern for fund raising and economic expenditure.
Mr. Dawe suggested that staff appointed to two-
year colleges might be looked upon as the future Heads of
Departments in four-year colleges, but was warned by Dean
Soward that experience at the University of British Columbia
had indicated that the problems of university administration
might well be beyond the grasp, or out of the range of
interest, of even highly-qualified and competent staff
members of a two-year institution. M
Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3220
Admission Requirements
Mr. Parrott inquired whether any thought had been
given to admission requirements appropriate to two-year and
four-year colleges and universities on the one hand, and
technical, vocational, or mixed technical-academic
institutions on the other.  Dean Chant stated that probably
admission requirements to a junior college would resemble
those for a university; those for a technical or vocational
institute would be lower.  However, many details would have
to be worked out by the local institutions in conjunction
with the Academic Board.
Dean Scarfe added that the Department of
Education was currently reviewing the senior secondary
school programme. He understood the Department favoured a
Grade X examination to maintain a level of achievement,
whether the programme were technical, industrial, commercial
or academic; and a Grade XII examination, also in the
various fields.  The President noted that provision should
be made for able students who had completed a vocational
programme to qualify for university entrance, if they so
wished, without undue loss of time.
Mr. Burnham emphasized the necessity for relative
uniformity in admission requirements to similar programmes
in the regional colleges. With this, the President coupled
the importance of leaving institutions free to establish
higher admission standards if they were in a position to do so. Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3221
Dean Myers pointed out that a footnote in the
report was applicable to this question:  "Transfer should
be possible between institutions but it should be based not
on identity of courses but on performance of students."
In answer to a query from Mrs. Angus, the
President said he felt that some students might wish to
obtain their degrees from the larger institutions rather
than their local colleges, but this would diminish as the
new institutions established their individual reputation.
With reference to projected enrolments, the
President believed it might be necessary for the University
of British Columbia to encourage students to enrol in the
regional colleges as these were established, by limiting
its undergraduate enrolment.  A recommendation in this
respect might be submitted to Senate at a regular meeting.
Graduate School
Commenting on the percentage of graduate students
at the University of British Columbia in comparison with
other large Canadian universities, Dean Soward pointed out
that, if comparisons could be made on a uniform basis,
British Columtoia would make a better showing than it
appeared to in the report.  Further, the University of
British Columbia was relatively strong in percentage of
graduate students completing their Ph.D. degree.
The Province of Ontario was in the process of
developing a programme of scholarship assistance for its
students remaining in the province for graduate work. Wednesday, January 30, 1963      3222
Senate Endorsation of the
Dean Scarfe)
Mr. Collins) That Senate go on record as
acclaiming and endorsing the
report by President Macdonald
on "Higher Education in British
Columbia and a Plan for the
In seconding the motion, Mr. Collins reminded
Senate that in 1959, the Board of Management of the Alumni
Association had requested the establishment of a Royal
Commission on Higher Education to prepare a report such as
this.  This request had been repeated annually. He
expressed the gratification of the Alumni Association that
the new President of the University had undertaken the task.
The President expressed his appreciation for the
vote of confidence, and his great appreciation to the
individuals who worked with him in the studies and the
compilation of the report.
The meeting adjourned at 9:40 p.m.


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