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Wednesday, September 5, 1962    3148
The first regular meeting of the Senate of the
University of British Columtoia for the Session 1962-63 was
held on Wednesday, September 5, 1962, at 8:00 p.m., in the
Board and Senate Room, Administration Building.
Present: President J.B. Macdonald (in the Chair),
Rev. J. Blewett, Mrs.   T. R. Boggs, Mr. F. L. Burnham,
Dean S.N.F. Chant, Dr. I. McT. Cowan, Dean G. F. Curtis,
Mr. A. P. Dawe, Dean B. A. Eagles, Dr. G. R. Elliott,
Mr. C A. Emery, Dean W. H. Gage, Rev. E. Garvey, Dr. W. C
Gibson, Mr. C C. Gourlay, Mr. W. E. Ireland, Dr. J.E.A.
Kania, Mr. J. S. Keate, Dr. J. L. Keays, Mr. F. M. Knapp,
Dean S. W. Leung, Mr. S. L. Lipson, Dean H. McCrae, Dean
J. F. McCreary, Dr. J. R. Mcintosh, Dr. A. D. McKenzie,
Dean A. W. Matthews, Mr. D. F. Miller, Mr. F. A. Morrison,
Dean D. M. Myers, Mr. N. T. Nemetz, Mr. E. P. Nicol,
Mr. H. N. Parrott, Dean G. N. Perry, Dr. W. N. Sage, Dean
N. V. Scarfe, Dr. R. F. Sharp, Dean F. H. Soward, Dr. G. M.
Volkoff, Mr. A. A. Webster, Dean T. G. Wright, Dr. S. H.
Zbarsky, Mr. J. F. McLean and Dr. J. Ranz.
Messages of regret for their inability to be
present were received from Mrs. H. F. Angus, Mr. W. M.
Armstrong, Dr. J. C. Berry, Mr. K. P. Caple, Mr. A.W.R.
Carrothers, Mr. M. Collins, Dr. W. H. Hickman, Dr. R. D.
James, Mr. L. J. Ladner, Dr. H. McLennan, Dean E. D. MacPhee,
Dr. A. J. Renney, Mr. J. V. Rogers, The Honourable
Mr. Justice D. R. Verehere, Dr. R. W. Wellwood and
Mr. H. C. Wilkinson. Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3149
Welcome to New Members
President Macdonald introduced Dr. S. W. Leung,
Dean of the new Faculty of Dentistry, and Mr. D. F. Miller,
one of the representatives of the Board of Management of the
Alumni Association, who were in attendance for the first time.
On behalf of Senate, he extended a welcome also to
Dr. F. Noakes, who was to participate in presenting one item
on the agenda.
Minutes of the Previous
Meetings
Dr. Kania)
Dean Gage)  That the minutes of the fifth regular
meeting of Senate for the Session
1961-62, and of the special meeting
held on August 8, 1962, having been
circulated, be taken as read and
adopted.
Carried.
Annual Financial Report
of the University
A copy of the financial report of the University
for the year April 1, 1961 to March 31, 1962, had been
deposited with the Secretary to Senate following its approval
by the Board of Governors, and might be examined at any time
by members of Senate.
Appointment of Senate Committees.
and Senate representatives on
University committees
Dean Curtis)
Mr. Gourlay)  That the Chairman of Senate, in
consultation with the Registrar,
the Deans and other appropriate
members of Senate, be authorized Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3150
to select the members of Senate
Committees, and Senate representatives
on University committees, for the
Session 1962-63, and to report
to Senate.
Carried.
From the Board of Governors
Approval of Recommendations
of Senate
New Course
The Board of Governors, at its meeting on May 30,
1962, had a^roved the new course Political Science 304 as
recommended by Senate, on the understanding that the cost
of adding it to the present curriculum would be covered by
a special grant to the University.
Offering of Credit Courses
at Prince George. 1962-63
Also on May 30, 1962, the Board of Governors had
approved the offering of credit courses in Prince George by
a Resident Instructor during 1962-63.  The Board had
appointed Mr. Gordon Elliott, who would give the courses
English 200, English 300 and History 313.
Grant Offered by British
Columbia Teachers' Federation
The Board of Governors, at its meeting on June 26,
1962, had accepted, subject to approval of Senate, a grant
of $10,000.00 offered by the British Columbia Teachers*
Federation to enable an appropriate member of the Faculty
and College of Education to undertake research during 1962-63
into "those aspects of teacher education which concern the Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3151
content of professional knowledge which every teacher
should acquire".  The Federation had stated that the staff
member undertaking the project would be entirely free to
pursue the research as he deemed best.
Dean Scarfe stated that the proposed study had been
discussed in detail by members of his Faculty and the
Federation.  Arrangements could be made within the Faculty
for Dr. C. E. Smith to be released from some of his teaching
duties in order to co-ordinate the study.
Dean Scarfe)
Mr. Parrott)  That the Senate approve the study
suggested by the British Columbia
Teachers* Federation, to be financed
by the Federation.
Carried.
From the Faculties and Schools
Recommendations that Certain
Students be Required to
Withdraw
A list was circulated at the meeting of students
required to withdraw for at least a year from the Faculties
in which they had been registered in 1961-62, on the basis
of their academic standing and Calendar regulations approved
by Senate for the respective Faculties.
Dean McCreary asked that two names be deleted
from the list for First Year Medicine and one name added to
the list for Second Year Medicine, following review of
their cases by the Faculty of Medicine.
Dean Matthews asked that one name be deleted from
the list for the Faculty of Pharmacy, and the student in
question permitted to repeat his year. Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3152
Dean Gage  )
Dean Eagles) That, subject to the amendments
indicated, the students as recommended
by their Faculties be required to
withdraw from that Faculty for
1962-63.
Carried.
Authorization of Faculties
To Require Students to
Withdraw in Accordance with
Calendar Regulations
The present Calendar regulations stated that
students might, upon the recommendation of their Faculty,
be required by Senate to withdraw from the Faculty on
specified conditions with respect to academic standing.
The President suggested that in routine cases, the authority
to require students to withdraw should be delegated to the
individual Faculties.
Dean Scarfe  )
Dean McCreary)  That Senate empower the various
Faculties to require students to
withdraw for unsatisfactory
academic standing, as set forth
in the Calendar regulations for
each Faculty.
Carried.
The President stated that a recommendation would
be submitted to Senate, along with Calendar changes for
1963-64, that the general statement with respect to withdrawals ("The Senate of the University may require a student
to withdraw from the University at any time for unsatisfactory
conduct, for failure to abide by regulations, or for
unsatisfactory progress in his programme of studies or
training") be expanded to include "or for any other reason
which is deemed to show that withdrawal is in the interests
of the student and/or the University". Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3153
Proposed Agreement between
The University and the
Institute of Chartered
Accountants
For some time the Faculty of Commerce and Business
Administration had been responsible for the first three years
of a five-year programme of professional instruction designed
to meet the academic requirements for the certificate of the
Institute of Chartered Accountants of British Columbia. An
outline of a proposal to extend the Faculty's responsibility
to cover the full five years had been circulated.
Dean Perry stated that the Institute would provide
funds to permit the appointment of Part-time Lecturers for
1962-63, and possibly for 1963-64 if members of the Faculty
were still on leave to instruct at the University of Malaya.
He hoped that by 1970, the Institute would require all its
candidates to have a University degree, obviating the
necessity for special evening instruction.
Without formal motion, since the proposal was
merely an extension of a programme already approved, the
Senate endorsed the offering toy the Faculty of Commerce and
Business Administration of the entire academic programme for
the certificate of the Institute.
Reports of Committees
Prizes. Scholarships and Bursaries
Awards to Students
Copies of Lists Nos. 2 and 3, of awards based
primarily on standing in the 1961-62 Session, were Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3154
circulated at the meeting.
Dean Gage  )
Dean Soward) That students named on Lists Nos.
2 and 3 be granted the awards
indicated.
Carried.
Postponement of Awards
Three students had requested postponement for one
year of awards made to them at the conclusion of the 1961-62
Session, for illness or other circumstances approved by the
Committee.
Dean Gage)
Mr. Knapp) That these students be granted
postponement to 1963-64 of their
awards.
Carried.
New Awards and Changes
in Awards
A list of titles of new awards offered to the
University since the previous meeting of Senate, and changes
requested in established awards, had been circulated.
Dean Gage recommended acceptance of these awards, on the
understanding that details would be included in the minutes.
Dean Gage  )
Dean Soward)  That these new awards and changes
in awards be accepted, subject to
approval of the Board of Governors
where that has not already been
given, and that suitable letters of
appreciation be sent to the donors.
Carried.
AWARDS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS
The Charlie Kent Scholarship
A scholarship of $100.00, the gift of Mr. Charlie
Kent of Aero Garments Limited, through the Chinese
Overseas Students Association, is offered in Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3155
competition to Chinese students born in Canada
or from overseas who have completed at least
one year at the University of British Columbia.
The award will be made on the basis of academic
standing to a student proceeding to a degree in
any field.  In deciding between candidates of
equal merit, financial circumstances may be a
deciding factor.
The Bick R. Lee Scholarship in Engineering
A scholarship of $100.00, the gift of Mr. Bick R. Lee
of Foo Hung Company Ltd., through the Chinese
Overseas Students Association, is offered in
competition to Chinese students born in Canada
or from overseas who have completed at least one
year at the University of British Columbia.  The
award will be made on the basis of academic
standing to a student proceeding to a degree in
Engineering.  In deciding between candidates of
equal merit financial circumstances may be a
deciding factor.
The Friends of Chamber Music Scholarship
A scholarship of $50.00, gift of the Friends of
Chamber Music, is offered to a student proceeding
to a degree in Music.  The award will be made to
a promising student for performance and study of
one of the orchestral instruments.
The N.A.M. MacKenzie Alumni Scholarship
in Physical Education
A scholarship of $150.00, established in honour
of Dr. N.A.M. MacKenzie, is offered through the
U.B.C Alumni Annual Giving Programme.  It will
be awarded to a student completing the Final
Year of the B.P.E. programme who is proceeding
either to the Teacher Training Course for
Graduates or to a Master's degree at this
University in the field of Physical Education.
The winner will be selected on the basis of
sound academic standing, demonstrated ability
and high proficiency in activity courses, and
participation and leadership in community
activities in the field of physical education.
Vancouver Fire Fighters' Union Local
No. 18 Bursary
A bursary of $200.00, gift of the Vancouver Fire
Fighters' Union Local No. 18, provides a bursary Wednesday, September 5, 1962  31o8
for a student beginning or continuing studies
at the University.  The award will be made to a
physically handicapped student who needs financial
assistance and is worthy and deserving of support.
The Poultry Industries Fund
This fund, established by the Trustees of the
Poultry Blood Testing Fund, provides an annual
bursary, ranging from $100.00 to $250.00, depending
upon the financial circumstances of the recipient.
It will be awarded, on the recommendation of the
Chairman of the Department of Poultry Science, to
a student, graduate or undergraduate, who has a
good academic record, shows promise in the field
of poultry science, and needs financial assistance.
The David E. Little Memorial Scholarship
This scholarship of $100.00, a memorial to David
Edmund Little, B.Sc., M.A., whose graduate work
in Physics was taken at the University of British
Columbia, is offered annually by his wife.  It
will be awarded to a student graduating in Physics
and continuing to a Master*s degree in that field
at the University.  The award will be made to a
student on the basis of academic proficiency and
promise in research.
Westminster County Real Estate Board
Scholarship
A scholarship of $250.00 annually, the gift of
the Westminster County Real Estate Board, is
offered to a student in Commerce and Business
Administration who is taking the Estate Management
programme, has high academic standing and is
deserving of assistance to further his education.
The award will be made on the recommendation of
the Faculty.
The Amy Woodland Scholarships
One or more scholarships of at least $100.00
each have been provided by a bequest from the
late Archibald Raworth.  They will be awarded
annually to students who are academically
worthy and deserving and who are beginning or
continuing studies at the University of British
Columbia.  In so far as is practicable, the
awards will be made to students who have for at
least two years during school studies, attended
the Amy Woodland School or the Central School at Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3157
Cranbrook, B. C.  Consideration will be given
by the University to students recommended by the
Board of School Trustees of School District
No. 2, Cranbrook, B. C.
The Archibald Raworth Scholarships
One or more scholarships of at least $100.00 each
have been provided by a bequest from the late
Archibald Raworth. The scholarships will be
awarded annually to academically worthy and
deserving students beginning or continuing studies
at the University of British Columbia.  In so far
as is practicable, the awards will be made to
students who have for at least two years of school
studies, attended a school in Cranbrook, B. C.
Consideration will be given to candidates recommended by the Board of School Trustees of School
District No. 2, Cranbrook, B. C.
The Pharmaceutical Association of the
Province of British Columbia Entrance
Bursary
A bursary of $100.00, the gift of the Pharmaceutical
Association of the Province of British Columbia,
will be available annually to a student entering
the First Year of the Pharmacy course, who has
good scholastic standing and is in need of
financial assistance.
The Pharmaceutical Association of the
Province of British Columbia Scholarship
A scholarship of $250.00, the gift of the
Pharmaceutical Association of the Province
of British Columbia, will be awarded annually
to the student obtaining the highest standing
in the examinations of Third Year Pharmacy
and proceeding to the Fourth Year.
The Guenther Felix Sanders Scholarships
These scholarships, provided by the income on
a bequest from the late Guenther Felix Sanders,
are available to students at the University of
British Columbia, with preference being given
to those who are honouring or majoring in
Mathematics or Applied Science and who are also
the sons or daughters of members of the Knights
of Pythias residing in British Columbia.  In
the event that suitably qualified students from
the preferred group are unavailable, other Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3158
students may be considered.  Students must apply
by May 15th on the appropriate scholarship form
obtainable from the Dean of Inter-Faculty Affairs,
University of British Columbia.  Basis of
selection will be academic standing, but financial
need may be a factor.  Awards will be made on the
recommendation of the University, in consultation
with the Royal Lodge No. 6, Knights of Pythias,
to the Trustees, whose approval is necessary and
who are empowered to determine from time to time
the amounts and conditions of these awards.
Prince George and District Dental Society
Bursary (to be included among "Awards
made by other Institutions")
The Prince George and District Dental Society
offers a bursary of $200.00 to a graduate of the
Prince George High School, who has begun his first
year of training in an accredited dental school.
Application may be made to the Prince George and
District Dental Society and the recipient of this
bursary will be judged primarily on his or her
financial need and scholastic standing.
The Vancouver Island Recreation Scholarship
A scholarship of $150.00, the gift of the
Vancouver Island Council of the British Columbia
Recreation Association, will be awarded to a student
in the degree programme in Recreation at the
University.  The scholarship is financed by
participation of Vancouver Island Recreation
Commissions. The award will be made on the basis
of academic standing, leadership qualities,
activity in student affairs, participation in
Community activities, personal qualities, and
financial need. To be eligible a candidate must
have an overall average of at least 65$ in the
final written examinations conducted in June by
the Department of Education, or for students in
the University, in the final sessional examinations.
The scholarship will be awarded to a student in
the First Year from Vancouver Island.  If there
is no suitably qualified candidate in this category,
preference will be given to a Vancouver Island
candidate in the Second, Third, or Fourth Year
in that order, and then to a First Year student
from some other area of the Province. Applicants
must apply by letter, to be received by Dean
Walter H. Gage, University of British Columbia,
Vancouver 8, B. C, not later than August 31st.*
(*After 1962 the date for submitting applications will
be May 1st.) Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3159
The letter must contain full details covering
the factors on which the award is based.
(Applicants will be screened by Professor R. Osborne,
and Dr. R. L. Ramsay, University of British Columbia,
or their successors. Final selection will be
submitted to Vancouver Island Council Scholarship
Committee.  Award will be made by cheque payable to
the University of British Columbia, and issued
directly through the University.  The name of the
winner will be included in the official lists of
the University of British Columbia.)
The Canadian Society of Exploration
Geophysicists Scholarship in Education
(revised Calendar statement)
The Canadian Society of Exploration Geophysicists
Scholarship in Education of $350.00 is offered
annually to a male student entering the fourth
or fifth year of the five year course in Education,
Secondary teaching field, with a major or honours
in Mathematics or the Physical Sciences, or
entering the teacher training course for Secondary
teaching after attaining a Bachelor's degree in
Mathematics or the Physical Sciences.
B. C Electric Veterans' Association Bursaries -
change of title to B. C. Hydro Veterans'
Association Bursaries
University Women's Club of White Rock Bursary -
increase in value from $100.00 to $200.00 annually
Vancouver Secondary Women Teachers Association
Scholarship Fund - change'of title to
Marion Langridge Scholarship Fund
P.E.O. Sisterhood Chapter A.M. Bursary - change
of title to Chapter A.M. Memorial Bursary
The Victoria Home Economics and Dietetics
Association Bursary - increase in value from
$100.00 to $150.00
AWARDS NOT YET SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS
Chadwick. Potts & Company Scholarship
A scholarship of $100.00, the gift of Chadwick,
Potts & Company, Chartered Accountants, is
awarded annually to the student in the combined
programme for C.A. and degree of B.Com. who
obtains the highest general academic standing
in the nine units of University subjects for the year. Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3160
The Jack Aron Memorial Bursary
A bursary of $50.00, given by Mrs. Jack Aron as a
memorial to her husband, is offered to undergraduates in the Faculty of Medicine.  It will be
awarded to a student with a good academic record
who shows promise in the field of Medicine and
has need of financial assistance.
For information of Senate, the Board of Governors
had reported its approval of the Graduating Class of
Agriculture Student Aid Fund, initiated by a donation from
the Graduating Class of Agriculture 1962.
Honorary Degrees
For information of Senate, Dean Soward reported
that Dr. Bissell had accepted the offer of an honorary
degree at the forthcoming Congregation; Lord James of
Rusholme and Sir Charles Dodds had declined with regret in
view of prior commitments.  In accordance with authorization
at the previous meeting of Senate, the Committee had invited
Sir Ronald Gould and Dr. Michael Lerner to receive honorary
degrees on October 26th.
Professors Emeriti
Dr. Sage presented the following recommendations
of the Committee on Professors Emeriti:
1.  That emeritus status be granted as follows:
Dr. Alexander Hrennikoff - Professor Emeritus
of Civil Engineering
Dr. J. Gordon Andison   - Professor Emeritus
of French
Mr. Hunter C. Lewis     - Professor Emeritus
of English. Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3161
2.  That Senate clarify the terms of reference of
the Committee on Professors Emeriti, in
particular make clear whether all recommendations
to Senate for emeritus status should stem from
this Committee, including deans, presidents and
chancellors.
Dr. Sage )
Dr. Kania)  That emeritus status be conferred
upon Dr. Hrennikoff, Dr. Andison and
Mr. Lewis as recommended, and that
the Committee on Professors Emeriti
be designated as the recommending
body to Senate for emeritus status
in all categories.
Carried.
Circulated Reports
The report of the Office of Personnel and Student
Services for the period June 1, 1961 to May 31, 1962, and
a report of the Director of Housing on Residence Activities
in the Session 1961-62, had been circulated.
Dean Chant)
Dean Myers)  That these reports be received, and
that letters of appreciation be
sent to the compilers.
Carried.
It was noted that these reports might be returned
to the agenda at any time when related topics were under
discussion.
Autumn Congregations
Members of Senate were reminded that Congregation
ceremonies would be held on Thursday, October 25th for the
installation of President Macdonald, and Friday, October
26th, for the conferring of degrees. Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3162
Health Centre for Children
Since Mr. Hyland had resigned from the Senate, it
was necessary to appoint a representative to the Board of
Directors of the Health Centre for Children to complete his
term (to April, 1963).
Dean McCreary)
Dean Scarfe  )  That Mrs. Angus be asked to
represent Senate on the Board
of Directors of the Health
Centre for Children for the
balance of the current term.
Dean Gage)
Dr. Cowan)  That nominations close.
Carried.
Mrs. Angus was declared the appointee of the
Senate to the Board of the Health Centre.
The Impact of Science on
Engineering Education
In introducing this topic, the President stated
his belief that Senate should have an opportunity to debate
important academic issues.  To facilitate this, members of
Senate were urged to give careful study to documents
circulated prior to the meeting dealing with recommendations
to be presented to Senate, in order to reduce to a minimum
the time spent on discussion of routine business.
The President had asked Dean Myers and Dr. Noakes
to speak on the impact of science on engineering education,
as one of the significant topics in higher education.
Dean Myers suggested that the topic might have
been modified to "the influence of science and engineering Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3163
on scientific and engineering education", since science and
engineering had similar objectives although their methods
differed.  Those concerned with engineering education were
faced with two rather basic problems in common with other
educators: the increased pace of scientific and engineering
discovery, which affected also the scientists; and the
impossibility of proving whether the educational methods
selected were right or wrong - a problem shared with all
educators, since the methods were obsolete by the time
long-term results proved their effectiveness.
Early in the 19th century, James Treadgold had
defined engineering as the art of directing the great sources
of power in nature for the use and convenience of man.
The definition was still acceptable, despite man's far
greater knowledge now of the sources of power in nature.
The earliest recorded ideas on engineering
education were those of Vetruvius, architect in the time of
the emperor Augustus.  Many of his ideas were still accepted
today - for instance, the inclusion of philosophy and music
among the suitable subjects for an architect.  For many
centuries, military engineering was the only type studied.
Within the past two centuries, civil, mechanical, electrical,
and other forms of engineering had been developed.  With
more specialized knowledge, radial development had taken
place within these branches of engineering, each new area
tending to draw away from others.  Students had followed
specific courses of study for each separate branch. Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3164
In the past twentyfive years, new scientific
discoveries had led to study of inter-disciplinary areas -
between civil and electrical engineering, for instance, or
between metallurgy and chemistry. Methods of training and
education had been brought closer together.
Dean Myers felt specialized education would
continue, however, since engineers would not be qualified
to practise in either conventional or more modern fields
unless they had studied some discipline in great depth, in
addition to acquiring a certain amount of breadth.
With reference to the relation between science
and engineering, Dr. Gordon Brown of the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology had stated that an engineer's
function was, first, to be a scientist, but second, to add
economic value to his science. The engineer was concerned
not with the reason things happen, but with making them
happen.  The engineer was now starting to enter the field
of the biological sciences, and would probably shortly
join the biologist, medical practitioner and physicist in
the study of molecular biology.
Turning to the question of where engineering
education should head in order to meet the challenges of
the modern, rapid pace of material progress, Dean Myers
stated it was no longer sufficient to train students to
leave the University prepared to deal with the problems of
current engineering; these students must be equipped to
deal with the problems facing them fifteen or twenty years Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3165
later when they were in positions of responsibility.
Mutual understanding among the engineer, the physicist and
the chemist would be essential to deal with the interdisciplinary areas where major advances were most likely to
occur.
Those engaged in training engineers felt no marked
changes could be made in engineering education, since it
remained essential to have a foundation of science, a
general education in the fundamentals of many branches of
engineering, and a more specialized treatment of one
particular area.  However, in so far as possible, methods
should be adapted to meet the needs of students with varying
capabilities, and more flexibility should be introduced into
the course, particularly in the early years. Postgraduate
training, which had been increasing in recent years, should
be developed even further.  More basic science should be
introduced into the courses of students who would enter
scientific fields, but engineering subjects should be
stressed for those students selecting the traditional fields
of engineering.
Dr. Noakes reminded the Senate that a university
was a community devoted first to learning, and second to
education.  The large sums raised by Faculty members at the
University of British Columbia to support research projects
were evidence of the prime importance placed on the learning
aspect of university life.  The education imparted to Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3166
undergraduate students would be determined in the main by
the learning of those engaged in research.
Dr. Noakes felt the University should no longer
differentiate between undergraduate and graduate programmes.
Dr. Keays commented on inadequate ability to
communicate, which was often found in engineers and applied
researchers - both with respect to disseminating knowledge
and with respect to passing on knowledge to those charged
with making decisions.  He suggested also that the University
should attempt to find a solution to obsolescence of
knowledge among engineers and research workers, by
developing a programme of refresher courses.
Dean Myers, in acknowledging the reference to the
problem of communications, stated that there was as yet no
reliable evidence that courses in the humanities were
effective in improving the situation.  The minimum requirements of an engineering course were so exacting that the
student's ability to absorb other disciplines at the same
time was very limited.
In answer to a query from Dr. Gibson on the
percentage of students in engineering who were engaged in
research, undergraduate or graduate, and th; effect on
industry of the establishment of graduate schools,
Dr. Noakes stated that in Electrical Engineering at this
University there were about 60 students in the final
undergraduate year, 30 students in graduate work.  In Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3167
general, it had been found that where there were strong
graduate schools in an area, there was a development of
secondary industry.  If facilities for graduate study were
not available in the community, a large number of students
who should continue to further study did not do so. The
universities of Canada were not producing enough people to
staff the universities, or to staff government laboratories,
even without regard to the needs of industry.
The President thanked Dean Myers and Dr. Noakes
for initiating a most interesting and stimulating discussion.
Other Business
Parking Arrangements
An area immediately north of the Administration
Building would be reserved for members of Senate to park
their cars during Senate meetings.
Death of Dr. Steacie
Dean Soward referred to the recent death of
Dr. E.W.R. Steacie, President of the National Research
Council and holder of an honorary D.Sc. from the University
of British Columbia.
Dean Soward)
Dr. Cowan  ) That a letter of sympathy be sent
to Mrs. Steacie, expressing
appreciation of the work of her
late husband and regret at his
death.
Carried. Wednesday, September 5, 1962  3168
The meeting adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
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