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[Meeting minutes of the Senate of The University of British Columbia] 1985-05-27

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Monday,  May  27,  1985
The Special Meeting of the Senate of The University of British Columbia
resumed on Monday, May 27, 1985 at 7.00 p.m. in Room 102, George F. Curtis
Present: President pro tern. R. H. T. Smith (Chairman), Chancellor R. W.
Wyman, Acting Vice-President D. R. Birch, Dr. E. G. Auld, Dr. T. M. Ballard,
Mr. D. W. Barron, Dean G. S. Beagrie, Mr. J. M. Beard, Mrs. H. M. Belkin,
Mr. N. B. Benson, Mr. J. Blom, Dr. T. H. Brown, Rev. P. C Burns, Dean P. T.
Burns, Dr. T. S. Cook, Ms. L. M. Copeland, Dr. J. D. Dennison, Dr. D.
Donaldson, Dr. A. J. Elder, Dean C. V. Finnegan, Mr. H. J. Franklin,
Mrs. E. D. Fulton, Dr. J. H. V. Gilbert, Mr. G. C. P. Gray, Mr. J. A.
Hamilton, Mr. K. D. Hancock, Dr. M. A. Hickling, Mr. S. H. Hill, Dr. K. J.
Holsti, Mrs. C J. R. Jillings, Dr. R. F. Kelly, Dean R. W. Kennedy,
Mr. A. C Kimberley, Dr. J. P. Kimmins, Mr. J. Kulich, Dr. D. S. Lirenman,
Dean P. A. Lusztig, Mrs. A. Macdonald, Acting Dean B. E. March, Dr. B. C.
McBride, Mr. J. M. McConville, Miss N. R. McDougall, Mr. D. Mclnnes, Acting
Dean T. D. McKie, Dr. A. G. Mitchell, Mr. T. A. Orr, Mrs. G. E. Plant, Dr.
D. F. Robitaille, Dr. E. S. Schwartz, Dr. G. G. E. Scudder, Dr. L. de
Sobrino, Dr. R. A. Spencer, Dr. J. K. Stager, Dr. J. R. Stein, Dr. R.
Stewart, Dean P. Suedfeld, Mr. M. Sugimoto, Dr. P. R. Tennant, Dr. R. C.
Thompson, Dr. J. Vanderstoep, Dean W. A. Webber, Dr. L. S. Weiler, Dean
R. M. Will, Dr. D. LL. Williams, Mr. J. A. Williamson, Dr. J. L. Wisenthal,
Miss N.  E. Woo,  Mr.  R.   A.  Yaworsky.
Messages of regret for their inability to attend were received from
Ms.   P.   M.    Arthur,    Dr.    J.    Gaskell,   Mrs.    D.    Jones,    Dean   J.    H.   McNeill,
Mr.  S.  R.  Pearce,   Dr.  A.  Van Seters,  Dean L.  M.  Wedepohl.
Budget 1985-86
Bachelor of Recreation Education Program (continued)
In speaking to the motion to discontinue the Bachelor of Recreation
Education program, Dr. Birch reiterated some of the comments he had made
at the previous meeting.
Acting Dean McKie stated that the Dean's advisory committee in the
Faculty of Education was aware of the importance of recreation studies
given the changing lifestyles in today's society. However, the committee
did not feel that they could support the continuation of the program due
to   the   lack   of   faculty   and   funds   and   the   need  for  the   revision  of   this
program. 8454.
Monday, May 27, 1985
Bachelor of Recreation Education Program (continued)
Following further dicussion the motion to discontinue the Bachelor of
Recreation Education program was put and carried.
Industrial Education
Dr. Birch )    That the Faculty of Education discontinue
Chancellor Wyman    )    the offering of content courses in Industrial
In speaking to the motion Dr. Birch expressed concern at the proposal to
discontinue the Industrial Education courses because they were very
important in the preparation of teachers in order for a well rounded
curriculum to be offered in the high schools of this Province. In
commenting on the subject of the curriculum in the high schools, Dr. Birch
stated that there was a temptation to think of Industrial Education as
being vocationally oriented. He emphasized that the view of industrial
education or industrial arts as offered in the secondary schools in the
Province was not aimed primarily at the preparation of tradesmen. Its aim
was to provide an introduction both conceptually and technically to manual
skills and to particular ranges of activity as an integral part of a
general education.
However, Dr. Birch stated that it was impossible to defend courses in
Oxyacetylene Welding, Woodwork etc, as courses largely academic in
content. The main concern was that the function should be maintained. If
the motion passed it was expected that the technical skills would be
offered at institutions for which that is a primary mission and that UBC
would focus on the pedagogical preparation of teachers for Industrial
Education. 8455.
Monday, May 27, 1985
Industrial Education (continued)
Dr. Robitaille stated that it was not being suggested that the
professional training of Industrial Education teachers was not the proper
function of the University.  However, he felt that it was not at all clear
that the teaching of technical skills belonged in a University and hoped
that the University would be successful in finding an appropriate
replacement for the training that prospective industrial education
teachers had received at UBC.
In response to a query as to an alternate route for teachers of
Industrial Education in the future as far as technical skills are
concerned, Dr. Birch stated that no specific plan had been worked out and
that it was a matter of very great concern. It was expected that such
technically oriented courses could be provided adequately within the
context of a technical or vocational institute or school. He recognized
that the university context provided greater stimulus academically and
professionally but hoped that an institution such as the Vancouver
Vocational Institute within the Vancouver Community College complex would
take on the task. He informed Senate that senior officials in both the
Ministry of Universities, Science and Communications, and the Ministry of
Education had expressed a preference that this skill preparation for
Industrial Education teachers be undertaken within the college and
institute system rather than at UBC, so while there was no assurance, it
did reflect the intention and the preference of the Ministries that
Industrial Education be offered under the aegis of other post-secondary
In response to a query concerning funding of the program Dr. Birch
stated that when the program was transferred to the aegis of UBC in 1957
it was funded directly by the Ministry of Education and that for a number 8456.
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Industrial Education (continued)
of years faculty members and staff members were on the payroll of the
Ministry of Education rather than the University.  In more recent years
the faculty situation was regularized and as the grant came in each year
they were paid through the University but out of a designated grant from
the Ministry.  However, the grant had been withdrawn suddenly, and at a
time when the total university budget was being reduced.
As far as students currently enrolled in the program are concerned, Dr.
Birch stated that it was expected that those students would be able to
complete the program since the technical phase was very concentrated and
constituted in total the equivalent of two years of a student's program.
He indicated that some small number of the current faculty would be
required for the pedagogically oriented work in Industrial Education and
expressed the hope that, if another institution picked up most of the
mission, there would be a place for those faculty members who wished to
continue in the field.
After further discussion the motion was put and carried.
Communications, Media and Technology
Dr. Birch      ) That the courses designated as
Chancellor Wyman ) Communications, Media and Technology
be discontinued.
Dr. Birch stated that this recommendation reflected the priorities of
both the Department and the Faculty although it should not be interpreted
as suggesting that the relationship between technology and education was
an unimportant one or that it is not a crucial area for scholarship. He
stated that it was a matter of great concern that a relatively large 8457.
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Communications, Media and Technology (continued)
graduate program had emerged in an area where the scale of scholarly work
and research had not been commensurate with the mounting of a graduate
program, especially one with substantial enrolment.
In response to a query Dr. Birch stated that in the Winter Session
1984/85 there were 170 undergraduate students enrolled in four
Communications, Media and Technology courses. Of those, 106 were enrolled
in the basic introductory course. At the graduate level there were 25
students enrolled in four graduate courses. Also, a substantial number of
students undertook Communications, Media and Technology as a
specialization in a part-time program in Summer Session. He stated that
there was a genuine concern about how graduate students could be
appropriately accommodated in programs and that every effort would be made
to meet with and counsel individual graduate students to ascertain their
program goals and to define programs which are most appropriate for them.
However, in the case of a number of graduate students arrangements would
have to be made for them to complete a program specifically according to
their interests in Communications, Media and Technology. As far as the
undergraduate students were concerned, he stated that almost two-thirds
were enrolled in the single introductory course in that area and that the
course would still be offered in the immediate future.
In response to a question Dr. Birch stated that there were three
specific faculty members whose teaching was exclusively in the courses
recommended for discontinuance.
Following further discussion the motion was put and carried. 8458.
Monday, May 27, 1985
Institute of Animal Resource Ecology
Dean Birch      ) That the Institute of Animal Resource
Chancellor Wyman ) Ecology be discontinued.
Dr. Birch stated that the Institute was established first as an
Institute of Fisheries and later became the Institute of Animal Resource
Ecology. He stated that the Institute brought in approximately $1.
million a year in grant money but that most of it was in individual
research grants and could equally well be brought in under the aegis of
the respective departmental homes of the Institute members. The motion
was predicated on the assumption that circumstances do change and that at
this point in time the faculty members concerned could well be housed in
their respective departments without the provision of additional resources
for the support of a separate Institute. He did not see the proposal as
resulting in the release of faculty members but rather that they would
return to their departmental homes.
In speaking against the motion Dean Suedfeld stated that the Institute
had 16 faculty members and that almost half of those were Fellows of the
Royal Society of Canada. He stated that its academic achievements were
distinguished and that by the criterion of quality promulgated by the
Senate Budget Committee it certainly was not a unit whose discontinuation
would be justified. He felt that from the point of view of the University
it was a unique and important resource and that this resource would not
continue when the component parts were broken up and sent back to the
departments. He said that it would be much more difficult to continue the
collaborative enterprises that had been built up and that they might not
continue for very long. 8459.
Monday, May 27, 1985
Institute of Animal Resource Ecology (continued)
Speaking in favour of the motion Dr. Williams stated that the only point
at issue was whether it was timely at this particular moment to reconsider
this particular Institute and whether to disband it in order to review the
University's priorities in this area.
Dr. Lindsey, Director of the Institute, was invited to respond to a
query concerning the effect the abolition of the Institute would have on
enrolment. Dr. Lindsey stated that no students were enrolled for a degree
within the Institute; they were all enrolled in regular Departments. Hs
stated that the attraction of the Institute to graduate students was
universally recognized and that a large number of graduate students had
stated that the reason they came to UBC was because of this particular
Institute. He therefore felt that if the Institute were to be disbanded
UBC would be less likely to attract people in this area.
In response to a query as to whether the intent of the motion was that
the Institute would be disbanded immediately, Dr. Birch stated that it was
possible that it would take a year to phase out the Institute.
After further discussion the motion was put and carried.
In his closing remarks, Dr. Birch reminded Senate that the process it
had been engaged in had not yet concluded. He pointed out that a large
proportion of the budget cutting exercise had not appeared directly before
Senate since it had not entailed program discontinuance or enrolment
limitation at this time. For example, in the Faculty of Education the
program discontinuance voted on at this meeting entailed potentially the 8460.
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reduction of approximately 10 or 11 positions, whereas the Faculty may be
expected to reduce as many as 40 positions in its total retrenchment. This
may well result in additional recommendations emerging from that Faculty if
the scale of reduction cannot be accomplished without further program
discontinuance or enrolment limitation. Even in relation to the Faculties
for which there have been specific recommendations the task may not yet be
concluded. He stated that it was also important to remember that the action
of Senate in rejecting a recommendation may also result in some further
consideration of priorities and potential discontinuance since the saving
would have to be found through some other mechanism. In that regard,
however, he felt that it was entirely appropriate that Senate express its
opinion and judgement. Senate's rejection of the motion to discontinue the
program in Landscape Architecture meant that this University had spoken
definitively on the subject and would now do its utmost to provide a
nurturing home for the emerging field of Landscape Architecture and to
ensure that it has the highest quality Landscape Architecture program
possible. He felt that Senate should be reassured that the program would
continue in case members thought that it was only a temporary reprieve.
However, it was likely that additional recommendations on program
discontinuance or enrolment limitation would come before Senate since it was
unlikely that the remaining budgetary reductions could be otherwise
Dr. Birch stated that he also wanted to reassure those senators who had
expressed concern at what they perceived to be the unequal treatment of
Faculties. He stated that the scale of the reduction was unequal but that
in terms of the process followed he wished to assure Senate that programs
and activities in all Faculties had been considered by the President and 8461.
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Vice-President, Academic and also in considerable detail by the Senate
Budget Conmittee. Indeed individual programs and activities in those
Faculties which did not have specific recommendations before Senate at this
time were considered, and the Senate Budget Committee's advice in a number
of instances was the discontinuance of additional programs or activities.
Dr. Birch felt that it was important for the Senate Budget Committee that
Senate recognize that there is a distinction between the responsibilities of
that Conmittee and the responsiblities of the President. He stated that it
was the decision of the President and Vice-President, Academic not to come
forward with recommendations regarding the Faculties of Arts and Medicine
before they had received clear advice from the Deans about the relative
priorities among programs and activities within those Faculties, and that
this decision was not entirely consistent with the advice of the Senate
Budget Committee.
The Chairman expressed thanks and appreciation to Dr. Birch and members
of Senate for their assistance in the handling of such extremely difficult
The meeting adjourned at 9.15. p.m.


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