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Jack Kobayashi : an interview with a UBC Japanese Canadian student of 1942 Kobayashi, Jack 2012

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Time 0:00-2:26 2:26-4:41 4:41-6:00 6:00-6:42  Location Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  Key Words Growing up, Father, work Family, Father Mother and Father  Description Introduction, born Langley Prairie February 1922, story of how came to attend UBC Growing up in family of 11 children, older brothers worked, father was gardener, sister housework Father born in fishing town, oldest sister born in Japan, idea of coming to Canada to make money, didn't return until 51 years later Unsure when mother and father got married, not sure where mother born  1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2  6:42-7:06 7:06-7:49 7:49-8:46 8:46-9:09 9:09-9:31 00:00-1:05 1:05-2:02 2:02-3:04 3:04-3:27 3:27-4:57 4:57-5:42  Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  Mother, work, Vancouver, New Westminster Langley, Father, work Langley, Father, work, Vancouver Langley Schoolhouse Langley, recreation Sister, Prince Rupert False Creek, Vancouver, Housing Housing, Vancouver Henry Hudson School, name Japanese community, housing  Mother was housewife in Vancouver, worked in cannery in New Westminster In Langley, farm wasn't good so father worked in sawmill, father injured at sawmill Description of Langley, move to new house, farm wasn't good for growing strawberries, therefore moved to Vancouver location of the farm in Langley, close to American border Description of schoolhouse What did you do for fun in Langley? One friendly Japanese family, they moved to Montreal Oldest sister in Vancouver was married, moved to Prince Rupert, sister got pneumonia and passed away, 2nd oldest sister had intestine operation Description of False Creek in Vancouver, 2nd sister oldest bought condo False Creek Moved around a lot in Vancouver because of housing prices Story of his name: Henry Hudson's School near Broad bridge was Hiroyoshi, then changed name to Jack, had to change first and second name Description of location of Japanese community, he lived a bit off near Burrard bridge, most Japanese near 1st or 2nd avenue  2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3  5:42-6:25 6:30-7:15 7:15-7:45 7:45-8:15 0:08-0:53 0:53-1:12 1:12-1:33 1:33-2:25  Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  Japanese school, Mother, English, Montreal Vancouver, recreation, army Recreation Recreation Japanese community, high school Senior street, George Suzuki, recreation George Suzuki, Vancouver, military Recreation, highschool  Japanese school, girls studied, boys didn't, doesn't remember much, Mother moved to Montreal, didn't know English, Memories of Vancouver: rollerskating on the street, high school, recruitment for the army, "flat feet" therefore couldn't join, couldn't afford special things Would play "tin money", rollerskate across the bridge rollerskate hockey, dangerous on the street Japanese families in high school, walked to Kitsilano high school following railway tracks Was on *Senior* Street, latch on halfway up on the walk, in highschool was doing photography with George Suzuki George Suzuki was in Vancouver military intelligence service, he was hurt in airplane crash In highschool they ran the projector, description of running the projector, the projectionist sat there  3 2:25-3:03 3 3:03-3:52  Apartment Apartment  Fifth Avenue House basement ran own theatre, kids paid 5-10cents and ran own films, auditorium in highschool ran films Henry House, would go across the street with a 10cents milk bottle, cent candy  3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3  3:52-4:56 4:56-5:35 5:35-6:00 6:06-7:17 7:34-7:53 8:41-9:00 9:26-9:36 9:37-10:04  Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  Fifth Avenue House, recreation, highschool Henry House, food Vancouver South, Fraser River, farm, Chinese community, work  3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5  10:04-11:23 11:23-11:42 00:00-0:33 0:39-0:55 1:06-1:44 1:44-2:12 2:12-3:18 3:18-4:18 4:18-4:46 4:46-5:04 5:04-5:50 5:50-6:26 6:26-7:00 7:09-7:23 7:32-8:28 8:28-9:58 9:58-10:42 10:42-11:30 11:30-11:53 11:53-12:20 12:20-12:54 12:58-13:58 14:09-14:43 14:54-15:23 15:23-15:45 15:45-16:33 16:38-18:24 18:24-19:06 19:07-19:37 19:37-19:55 19:55-21:00 00:00-00:50 00:50-02:42 3:07-4:25  Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  5 5 5 5  4:25-05:47 5:47-6:27 6:27-6:57 6:57-7:57  Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  File 1 1 1 1  School UBC High school UBC UBC UBC, family, work Family, work, Vancouver Lumber Company Housing, Vancouver Parents, university UBC, Pearl Harbour Evacuation, family Family, work, Blind Bay, evacuation Family, housing, work Work, family Family, Vancouver, Kamloops Kamlooops, Uncle Kamloops, family, Montreal Montreal Work Work Work Work Work Work Work, UBC, tribute Tribute, Vancouver, Kitagawa Tribute, Vancouver, Whitehorse Tribute Tribute, honourary degree Tribute Tribute, UBC, BC Securities Commission Tribute, UBC Vancouver, family Vancouver UBC Vancouver, Father, work Tribute, Kitagawa Vancouver, tribute Tribute, UBC UBC, Vancouver, Japanese Canadian community BC Security Commission, evacuation Work Work  Lived in Vancouver South near the Fraser River, left side was Chinese farms, Blenheim Street cannery, kids would take own bento to school Can order bento box these days At that school near the river, would take own lunch, sat in corridor, not in the cafeteria Memories of UBC: Math course levels of Math I, Math II How got to high school Why go to UBC: It was closest and logical place, now hear about other University Didn't think of any other place for university Sisters didn't go to UBC, couldn't afford it, boys had to work, had to support 11 kids Brother liked cars and trucks, Vancouver Lumber Company sawdust, brothers would deliver sawdust to houses, he helped Lived on 7th Ave near Granville, big fire burnt Did parents want you to go to University?: importance of education At UBC for a few months, then Pearl Harbour? Evacuation: families given one day to leave, one suitcase, sent to ghost towns Brother had connection with sawmills and trucks, arranged for family to go on own in interior, went Blind Bay (Shuswap Lake) Built own houses, built own sawmill, bought harvesting engine run by steam, description of the process, Had trouble with "white man", no payments from him, they were supposed to provide food in exchange for the lumber, family had no money, no food Sister and brother went to Vancouver, family went to Kamloops Rest of family stayed in Kamloops, Uncle had 14 kids Moved to Kamloops, only allowed to go to North, Alberta or farms, friend arranged for him to go to Montreal Was able to get a train ticket to Montreal Worked in radio service Had to have license and had to get call sign Job fixing radio repair service in Montreal, apply to RCA making military equipment, SPAR aerospace making helicopters, RCA got into communications, description of RCA company Communications ended up in microwave stations, Never took any professional education, was a technician Son has experience with equipment, however no professional education Did you want to be an engineer when you went to UBC?: doesn't remember, a few months, getting a B.A. degree Letters from UBC for this honourary degree, talked to Mary Kitagawa, official reception attendance, Lot of people are invited to go, staying with sister's daughter in Vancouver, relatives from Whitehorse invited, Mayor inviting everyone to City Hall for a party, bought a white shirt What does it mean for you to have the honourary degree?: will hang on wall, Does it mean something for further generations?: Wasn't really earned, because didn't go to the courses What does it symbolize?: UBC sponsoring, however BC Securities Comission responsible, UBC couldn't offer a subsidy for airfare, flight centre $970 for flight, $360 for flight because of warning of the stroke, Last time in Vancouver?:brother's birthday party, 90th birthday party, 1967 drove to Vancouver, highway roads in Canada bad, via Sioux St. Marie and then to America then come up in Alberta Did you go back to UBC? No, last time in UBC was when we left Know Point Grey because father did garden work in those rich people's places, mowed lawn, Were you surprised to hear about the honourary degree?: Yes, Mary working hard, heights, phone numbers Looked up Delta, bought map of City of Vancouver, bought suitcase, preparations for the trip Why has UBC decided to do this now? It's been 70 years: TIA stroke, RBC doing medical insurance, issue of insurance Why UBC doing this when everyone is elderly?: Special committee head, Vancouver there is a Japanese-Canadian association BC Security Commission is responsible, excuse of Japanese would sabotage, seized all Japanese fishing boats, shipped people off Amateur radion station was sold for 99cents, never cashed the cheque Satellite communication job allowed world travel, ended up in Iran/India/Japan/Newfoundland  Notes  wind, window closed  Construction sounds Construction sounds  Radio Radio Radio Radio Radio Radio Radio Radio  showed Amateur Radio Stat  5 7:57-8:44  Apartment  Vancouver, Kamloops, Blind Bay, Shuswap lake After Vancouver went to Kamloops?: No, Kamloops was only evacuation time, went to Blind Bay just a bush, can rent houseboat on Shuswap lake  5 5 5 6  Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  Kamloops, internment, family, Montreal Blind Bay, Vancouver Recreation Father, work, internment  What was Kamloops like during internment?: family stayed, he was there only few weeks, he went to Montreal, then family all came to Montreal, then gradually came back West Blind Bay is a resort now, went back in 1967 to Vancouver, stopped at Blind Bay, no sawmill no houses, Did you ever go fishing on the lake?: No, in Newfoundland fishing, a lot of sport fishing, ended up with 21 foot cabin cruise, camping, description of cruises What did your parents do after the internment to make money?: Father into japanese books in Montreal, father worked on Hope to Princeton highway, rest of family  6 1:01-1:40  Apartment  Family, education, Japanese community  Family broken up, didn't provide education for family and children, Japanese ladies got together and got the children, future wife was one the teachers  6 1:40-2:18 6 2:20-3:03 6 3:03-3:23  Apartment Apartment Apartment  Japanese community, Toronto, Momiji Centre Tashme, internment Internment, New Denver  Describing the picture: Momiji Centre, held in Toronto, teachers taught in the ghost town, Tashme was the other ghost town, broken down mining town, tar paper walls, not there anymore New Denver was a small town, now a resort town  6 3:24-4:45 6 4:45-5:20  Apartment Apartment  Internment, Mother, Father British Columbia, Canada,  Did your parents ever talk about the internment? What do you think about how they felt?: Japanese word for "what can you do", Shoganai/Shikataganai, tendency turns out for the good, because they moved away from B.C. When Canada incorporated, British Columbia population was small, now B.C. is growing, back then wasn't very advanced (?)  6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6  Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment Apartment  Montreal, family, Ontario, British Columbia Family Family, Alberta, Ontario, work Family, Montreal Mother, Montreal, family UBC Work Work Redress, America, wife Redress Redress, Victoria, work, Pearl Harbour UBC, students UBC, Officers Training Corps UBC, work war, Vancouver  When was your family reunited?: In Montreal, all the family in one little house, then moved to Ontario all the way back to B.C. Do you remember the first day everyone was back together?: I remember the most is that we could eat as much as we wanted, up until then short on food, then after Montreal, separated Brother to Alberta sugar beet farm, or Ontario farm or places up North, not much choice Together in Montreal for short period, How did your parents feel with the family together if it was just for a short period of time? Mother died fairly young in Montreal, then separated How do you think your life would have been different if you stayed at UBC?: Learning the three maths, maybe would've graduated, that was a bad start But no formal electronic education, did quite well, could've done better, stayed a technician, but got to travel a lot, traveling all paid, happy about that Microwave is obselete now, traveling in Iran stayed the longest What do you think about the Redress in 1988?: was because they did it in America, received money, wife said to repair the roof, bought camper instead, traveled around Did you think it was the right thing to do?: realized that it was based on the fact that Japanese would do sabotage, turns out that only 1 saboteur In Victoria where wife working after Pearl Harbour, next day all laid off Do you still keep in touch with some of your fellow students?: No, don’t know anyone Were you in the officer's training corps?: No, because of flat feet, high or UBC not sure, never got into military Do you remember what it was like during wartime to be in school?: Was working in SPAR aerospace, during retirement What about between 1939 and…what was it like to be a student during wartime? Was Vancouver differnet during that time?: Is there anything you'd like to say about the past, or history, or anything?:  8:44-9:28 9:28-9:57 9:57-11:54 00:00-1:01  5:23-5:48 5:48-6:34 6:34-7:18 7:25-8:10 8:10-8:42 8:50-9:30 9:30-10:31 10:31-10:50 10:50-12:08 12:08-12:50 12:50-13:15 13:36-14:07 14:07-14:27 14:27-15:08 15:08-15:47 15:47-16:08  Picture of Japanese teachers  

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